Kyler Murray crushed the Cardinals' offseason, teammates say

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  • Wait until they can hit.
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  • Of course his teammates would say that...no different than Wilson's teammates saying that they actually like his reality show...when it starts
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  • There is more to the article than what a subject title is necessarily limited to. We are in the eye of a 6 week dead spot with regards to news coverage. The article provides some useful content in the form of background and first impressions about a new offense taking shape in Arizona. It's a good time to catch up on the rest of the division and league. The alternative is silence which is death to a forum.

    "First off, he's faster and quicker than I thought when we got on the field,” running back David Johnson said. "I think a lot of people underestimate how great he can throw. He throws a dart. Accurate dart.


    I thought the addition of JR Sweezy was a great move by the Cardinals. Nice complement for 1st year QB Kyler Murray.
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  • I think he is super talented but will be injury prone throughout his career imo.
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  • bevellisthedevil wrote:I think he is super talented but will be injury prone throughout his career imo.



    Gotta catch him to hurt him . He probably will take the least sacks in the division. IMO
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  • That kid has got super star written all over him .
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  • He hasn't played a down in the NFL, easy kid :lol:
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  • xray wrote:That kid has got super star written all over him .



    We will see. I wouldn’t put money on it.
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  • xray wrote:That kid has got super star written all over him .


    Everybody said the same thing about Johnny Football.
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  • GeekHawk wrote:
    xray wrote:That kid has got super star written all over him .


    Everybody said the same thing about Johnny Football.

    More said he was gonna bust.
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  • Sadly, Kyler Murray will be the closest thing there could ever be to a Russell Wilson 2.0.
    Happily for AZ fans.

    He's not going to bust, far from it, and he will mostly stay healthy, and he has a head coach and an offense that is built around him; Russell's rookie records are in considerable danger. Murray has the smarts and the leadership qualities, just like Wilson. He has Wilson's quickness and speed, plus a half-gear extra. He has the ability to elevate the play of his teammates. It's no wonder the Cards were willing to part company with Josh Rosen.

    I have to admit my bias coming in was to think that Murray would be like a smaller, lighter, more fragile Robert Griffin III. Then I went to do some research, and concluded I was very wrong in that comparison. Russell Wilson is the best comp for Murray. Even down to the baseball background.

    I only watched one game of Murray in college, whatever the bowl game was he was in, and he was freakin electric. But I thought he'd get crushed in the NFL. First the defenses gotta catch him. Few or none can.

    Understand, I'm not pleased to write this, to come to these conclusions. It's just that it's where all the available Kyler Murray data points lead. We're probably looking at a split with the Cardinals this season, depending on how much our defense improves from last year.
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  • olyfan63 wrote:
    I only watched one game of Murray in college, whatever the bowl game was he was in, and he was freakin electric. But I thought he'd get crushed in the NFL. First the defenses gotta catch him. Few or none can.



    I wasn't actually impressed with the bowl game. Once he settled down, he was pretty good but he was pretty deer in headlights and hearing footsteps at the beginning.
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  • HawkGA wrote:I wasn't actually impressed with the bowl game. Once he settled down, he was pretty good but he was pretty deer in headlights and hearing footsteps at the beginning.


    Not going to make an argument for his pure quarterbacking on that one.
    I was impressed with his elite quickness, making other quick and fast guys look slow and sluggish, and making things happen in the 2nd half. I didn't really see any of his first half, did gather it wasn't that great.

    In the NFL he just needs to be smarter than Robert Griffin III and I think he's got that one nailed.
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  • Hasn't played a single down in the NFL, only played a handful of games in college and he's somehow already an All-Pro :roll:
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  • olyfan63 wrote:
    HawkGA wrote:I wasn't actually impressed with the bowl game. Once he settled down, he was pretty good but he was pretty deer in headlights and hearing footsteps at the beginning.


    Not going to make an argument for his pure quarterbacking on that one.
    I was impressed with his elite quickness, making other quick and fast guys look slow and sluggish, and making things happen in the 2nd half. I didn't really see any of his first half, did gather it wasn't that great.

    In the NFL he just needs to be smarter than Robert Griffin III and I think he's got that one nailed.


    It was definitely a tale of two halves. I think it's easy to say he'll settle down and be more like the second half as he grows in the NFL but it's also fair to say that facing NFL defenses will be even tougher than facing Alabama's defense (though maybe not by much).
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  • olyfan63 wrote:Sadly, Kyler Murray will be the closest thing there could ever be to a Russell Wilson 2.0.
    Happily for AZ fans.

    He's not going to bust, far from it, and he will mostly stay healthy, and he has a head coach and an offense that is built around him; Russell's rookie records are in considerable danger. Murray has the smarts and the leadership qualities, just like Wilson. He has Wilson's quickness and speed, plus a half-gear extra. He has the ability to elevate the play of his teammates. It's no wonder the Cards were willing to part company with Josh Rosen.

    I have to admit my bias coming in was to think that Murray would be like a smaller, lighter, more fragile Robert Griffin III. Then I went to do some research, and concluded I was very wrong in that comparison. Russell Wilson is the best comp for Murray. Even down to the baseball background.

    I only watched one game of Murray in college, whatever the bowl game was he was in, and he was freakin electric. But I thought he'd get crushed in the NFL. First the defenses gotta catch him. Few or none can.

    Understand, I'm not pleased to write this, to come to these conclusions. It's just that it's where all the available Kyler Murray data points lead. We're probably looking at a split with the Cardinals this season, depending on how much our defense improves from last year.



    Few or none can catch him?
    Few or none COLLEGE players could catch him.
    I watched every game he played in besides blacked out games (my fiance is from Oklahoma.
    College defenses suck.
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  • GeekHawk wrote:
    xray wrote:That kid has got super star written all over him .


    Everybody said the same thing about Johnny Football.


    They did?

    I remember everyone bagging on the Browns for being the Browns and taking him late in the 1st round.
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  • Cardinals seem pleased by him. But the rest of the league it is up in the air. That is just a practice.
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  • Passepartout wrote:Cardinals seem pleased by him. But the rest of the league it is up in the air. That is just a practice.


    They are always pleased at first, then they have to go get a Carson Palmer, or Kurt Warner.

    They were pleased with Matt Leinart also and Josh Rosen.
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  • Kyler is crushing his off season just like our DK crushing his.


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  • Except the last time they had a hand picked QB that was even close to good in the draft was Jake Plummer who had an attitude and wanted money so they traded him to KC.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Except the last time they had a hand picked QB that was even close to good in the draft was Jake Plummer who had an attitude and wanted money so they traded him to KC.


    Jake Plummer was was never traded to KC. He signed with the Broncos as a free agent in '03. They benched him in '06 for Jay Cutler, then traded to Tampa in '07, where he retired without playing a down.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Passepartout wrote:Cardinals seem pleased by him. But the rest of the league it is up in the air. That is just a practice.


    They are always pleased at first, then they have to go get a Carson Palmer, or Kurt Warner.

    They were pleased with Matt Leinart also and Josh Rosen.


    I’m pretty sure every fanbase is pleased every time they draft for a potential franchise QB.
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  • I don't think the Eagles were when they drafted McNabb.
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  • HawkGA wrote:I don't think the Eagles were when they drafted McNabb.


    And they wanted Ricky Williams. I'd say Philly fans were pretty stupid in that case.
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  • There have def. been times when a fan base is not stoked about the choice at QB. Mcnabb is a great example.
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Except the last time they had a hand picked QB that was even close to good in the draft was Jake Plummer who had an attitude and wanted money so they traded him to KC.


    Jake Plummer was was never traded to KC. He signed with the Broncos as a free agent in '03. They benched him in '06 for Jay Cutler, then traded to Tampa in '07, where he retired without playing a down.


    Sorry your right, it was the Broncos but it was still about the Money in Arizona, Bidwells were Cheap asses for a long time till they got their Stadium.
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  • I'm looking forward to seeing how he does. Between him and Mayfield I felt Murray was the better QB coming out.
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  • He will be the best scrambling QB in the league . The Cards may not win many games this year ; but Murray will have defenses coughing up blood trying to catch him . IMO
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  • There's a lot more to the QB position than scrambling. I'll wait to see it with my own eyes. Hype doesn't win games.
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  • I would've ear marked him as a bust. But then he got a coach who is going to put him in an offense he will be comfortable in.

    So now I need to see how he avoids hits, he is very slight, and can't afford to take unnecessary hits.

    He could be a guy that could be a star for 15-20 yrs. Or flame out really quickly in a year or two like an RGIII. It's going to come down to how he avoids contact. He is a baseball player so he can slide and get down, and he must. Or he will be RGIII'd.
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  • Fade wrote:I would've ear marked him as a bust. But then he got a coach who is going to put him in an offense he will be comfortable in.

    So now I need to see how he avoids hits, he is very slight, and can't afford to take unnecessary hits.

    He could be a guy that could be a star for 15-20 yrs. Or flame out really quickly in a year or two like an RGIII. It's going to come down to how he avoids contact. He is a baseball player so he can slide and get down, and he must. Or he will be RGIII'd.


    He better be smart one scissor tackle and he will be broke in to.
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  • He's gonna be electric.
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  • To me..He probaly will have it real easy under todays rules being what
    they are.
    Back in the day there is no way anyone would use a short skinny QB.
    He would have been in pieces no matter what offense he is in.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:To me..He probaly will have it real easy under todays rules being what
    they are.
    Back in the day there is no way anyone would use a short skinny QB.
    He would have been in pieces no matter what offense he is in.


    Short and skinny may be problematic but the real issue with him is those 28” arms, no QB in NFL history rocked with something that short.




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  • Nah, according to some, this guy is basically a future HOF :stirthepot:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Nah, according to some, this guy is basically a future HOF :stirthepot:

    :lol: some compare him to RW..
    I'm not one of them. ;)
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  • Once I see him play in real NFL regular season games and tear it up, I'll believe. Until then, nope.
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  • Hello all! Long time no talk. Hope to be a little more involved this year in Football. I've been traveling the last two years almost full time so it's been busy. Hope everyone is healthy and doing well!
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  • Fade wrote:I would've ear marked him as a bust. But then he got a coach who is going to put him in an offense he will be comfortable in.

    So now I need to see how he avoids hits, he is very slight, and can't afford to take unnecessary hits.

    He could be a guy that could be a star for 15-20 yrs. Or flame out really quickly in a year or two like an RGIII. It's going to come down to how he avoids contact. He is a baseball player so he can slide and get down, and he must. Or he will be RGIII'd.
    i can’t see beyond his 28” arms, may be he’s a t-Rex?


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  • Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO
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  • xray wrote:Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO


    Murray is shorter, smaller, and has shorter arms and smaller hands than Wilson. I'm still skeptical about small QBs. Wilson is short, but he is not small.
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO


    Murray is shorter, smaller, and has shorter arms and smaller hands than Wilson. I'm still skeptical about small QBs. Wilson is short, but he is not small.


    You know Ciara?
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO


    Murray is shorter, smaller, and has shorter arms and smaller hands than Wilson. I'm still skeptical about small QBs. Wilson is short, but he is not small.


    Russell, compared to your typical average QB frame, is small.

    Being bigger than Kyler doesn’t make him any less small.
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  • ClutchDJ wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO


    Murray is shorter, smaller, and has shorter arms and smaller hands than Wilson. I'm still skeptical about small QBs. Wilson is short, but he is not small.


    Russell, compared to your typical average QB frame, is small.

    Being bigger than Kyler doesn’t make him any less small.


    There's a difference between being small and being short.
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  • Popeyejones wrote:
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    xray wrote:That kid has got super star written all over him .


    Everybody said the same thing about Johnny Football.


    They did?

    I remember everyone bagging on the Browns for being the Browns and taking him late in the 1st round.


    Yeah, I was in front of the TV screen pleading with Jerry Jones to take him and "break the internet," as they were saying. I was so wishing him upon the Cowgirls, because I thought he would be awful.

    Didn't realize he would also be a mess off the field, since I didn't care at all about his making the National Communists Against Athletes cry buckets by selling his autograph.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    xray wrote:Wilson was supposed to be to small to make it . Fran Tarkentan was about 190 lbs . Flutie was about 5'9". All good scramblers . To hurt them you have to catch them first . Murray will have defenders puking blood trying to catch him .IMO


    Murray is shorter, smaller, and has shorter arms and smaller hands than Wilson. I'm still skeptical about small QBs. Wilson is short, but he is not small.


    You know Ciara?
    dude’s arm are only 28”, that’s 3-4” shorter than other QBs.


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  • He will be on the NFL network Thursday night vs the Chargers...I will check him out for myself .
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  • Well, you can bet people will act like he's the next Mahomes if he carves up a bunch of guys who won't even make NFL Rosters
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