Projecting Future Hall of Famers

I posted this in the main forum, but I felt it belonged here too for non-Seahawks discussions.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...carolina-panthers-make-pro-football-hall-fame

Interesting read - can't believe you have 3 potential HOFs on the same team - really has been a perfect storm (minus the PEDs for Seattle.

Larry Fitzgerald should be a 100% shoo-in, the playoff performances have made him famous beyond just his seasonal play - and this is the Hall of 'Fame'.

Also sad how the 49ers have no one of worth on their roster...I'm sure Chip will change all that.

Sherman has had 4 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros by 28, and is at 90%.

Bowman had 3 all pro bowls and 4 first team all pros by 28 and isn't on the list.

He had the injury of course, but he was a pro bowler and all pro after the injury last year already.

Not saying he should be at 90% or anywhere close to that, but he should be on the list.

Kam Chancellor is going to be an interesting argument when it's all said and done. Especially if the Seahawks can win a Super Bowl in the next few years.

Popeyejones":2zpwkk0n said:

Sherman has had 4 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros by 28, and is at 90%.

Bowman had 3 all pro bowls and 4 first team all pros by 28 and isn't on the list.

He had the injury of course, but he was a pro bowler and all pro after the injury last year already.

Not saying he should be at 90% or anywhere close to that, but he should be on the list.

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Agreed, though I have a hard time seeing Bowman as an elite MLB. Mainly because Willis was so good. Maybe that's what clouded Barnwell as well.

But yeah, should at least be mentioned though.

Hasselbeck":3kxo916c said:

Kam Chancellor is going to be an interesting argument when it's all said and done. Especially if the Seahawks can win a Super Bowl in the next few years.

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I dunno, Kam is a badass, but I don't think he is HOF worthy. If he wasn't paying with ET and Sherman, he would be akin to Adrian Wilson - probably Ring of Honor worthy, at best.

And Popeye, good call about Bowman, he should be at least noted for the 49ers, even if it's a 20-40% chance.

Hilarious narrative.

People who would call Bowman better than Willis (at least in the last year or two they played together), now say he was buoyed by him, LOL.

Couldn't fathom possibly allowing both to be awesome at the same time...a 1a/1b scenario. That just wouldn't be right, wouldn't it?

At the same time, Richard Sherman is the natural best #1 CB in the NFL.......and would be without Thomas, Chancellor, etc. helping him out.

Right.

Did a Seahawks fan poison your dog, NINEster?

Navarro Bowman: 4 years as a starter (didn't start as rookie and missed full season to injury).

He's been FIRST TEAM All-Pro all 4 years.

Not even being MENTIONED on the list IMO invalidates the list.

Marvin49":2r4w7a2g said:

Navarro Bowman: 4 years as a starter (didn't start as rookie and missed full season to injury).

He's been FIRST TEAM All-Pro all 4 years.

Not even being MENTIONED on the list IMO invalidates the list.

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Relax.. he says he forgot.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/760872251810058244[/tweet]

I still think playing next to Willis hurts his HOF candidacy though.

Hasselbeck":2hje8jh6 said:

Marvin49":2hje8jh6 said:

Navarro Bowman: 4 years as a starter (didn't start as rookie and missed full season to injury).

He's been FIRST TEAM All-Pro all 4 years.

Not even being MENTIONED on the list IMO invalidates the list.

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Relax.. he says he forgot.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/760872251810058244[/tweet]

I still think playing next to Willis hurts his HOF candidacy though.

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Well, he made 1st team All-Pro last year without Willis and on a bum knee AND just signed a 7 year contract...so he'll have plenty of time to make his case without Willis playing next to him.

Popeyejones":2m7pl696 said:

Sherman has had 4 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros by 28, and is at 90%.

Bowman had 3 all pro bowls and 4 first team all pros by 28 and isn't on the list.

He had the injury of course, but he was a pro bowler and all pro after the injury last year already.

Not saying he should be at 90% or anywhere close to that, but he should be on the list.

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Dominant defensive backs are rarer than dominant MLB.

5_Golden_Rings":o89yhapl said:

Dominant defensive backs are rarer than dominant MLB.

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In this NFL in particular. Rules have really made it difficult for corners to win.

5_Golden_Rings":1mpade9x said:

Popeyejones":1mpade9x said:

Sherman has had 4 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros by 28, and is at 90%.

Bowman had 3 all pro bowls and 4 first team all pros by 28 and isn't on the list.

He had the injury of course, but he was a pro bowler and all pro after the injury last year already.

Not saying he should be at 90% or anywhere close to that, but he should be on the list.

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Dominant defensive backs are rarer than dominant MLB.

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Maybe, but leaving out a guy who has been a 1st team All-Pro in every season he's started is a pretty glaring omission regardless of position.

5_Golden_Rings":vh051wxk said:

Popeyejones":vh051wxk said:

Sherman has had 4 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros by 28, and is at 90%.

Bowman had 3 all pro bowls and 4 first team all pros by 28 and isn't on the list.

He had the injury of course, but he was a pro bowler and all pro after the injury last year already.

Not saying he should be at 90% or anywhere close to that, but he should be on the list.

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Dominant defensive backs are rarer than dominant MLB.

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1.Simply untrue. List out the six MLBs who are as dominate as Sherman, Peterson, Revis, Matthieu, Harris, Norman. That's before you even get to Verrett, Butler, Gilmore, Trufant, and without even considering any safeties.

If anything dominant MLBs are much rarer than dominate CBs these days; there's really just one, maybe three or four if you really want to stretch what dominate means.

Kuechly was the only MLB in the NFL last year who is firmly in the conversation with those top six CBs.


2. You're quoting me saying he should have much lower odds than Sherman but should be on the list.

Great MLB play is so under the radar in general that when you have a real super star in that role it pops.

That highlight clip Bowman has sacking Wilson and chasing him down on the sideline in the NFCC, and him rocking Wilson and forcing the fumble earlier that year at Candlestick....let's see how long until we see another MLB make those plays against him.

Kuechly has been an animal in pass coverage. Not sure I've seen an MLB dominate that part of the game like that.

And having to be effective in run AND pass and not just pass forces you to elevate a great MLB over your average corner as far as pure talent is concerned. The game being so pass centric benefits the value of good corners.

I put Bowman and Chancellor in the same category. Certainly deserving of being in the conversation, but because of injuries and the appearance of having lost their dominant ways, people view them as being on the downward slide of their careers and not having done enough already to achieve Hall of Fame status.

Bowman had a good year and racked up more tackles than anyone, but even with all those tackles, he was not the dominant force he was pre-injury. He was not defending the pass nearly as well as he had been before the injury. His passes defended were way down in 2015. He basically substituted truly dominant play in all phases of the game for a large tackle total.

hawknation2016":ulxo44fw said:

I put Bowman and Chancellor in the same category. Certainly deserving of being in the conversation, but because of injuries and the appearance of having lost their dominant ways, people view them as being on the downward slide of their careers and not having done enough already to achieve Hall of Fame status.

Bowman had a good year and racked up more tackles than anyone, but even with all those tackles, he was not the dominant force he was pre-injury. He was not defending the pass nearly as well as he had been before the injury. His passes defended were way down in 2015. He basically substituted truly dominant play in all phases of the game for a large tackle total.

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Comments about last year are fair...

...but that was also his FIRST year back after the injury and he got stronger and stronger as the year wore on. It was taking him a few hours to prep for gametime last year as the knee was still giving him problems. He was also noticeably hesitant cutting on that knee and didn't appear to be fully confident it would hold up.

Those issues are history. He isn't having problems with the knee at all now and the 49ers were confident enough in his health that they just added four years to his contract and gave him a sizable raise with 3 full years remaining on his contract.

Marvin49":1o636vqh said:

hawknation2016":1o636vqh said:

I put Bowman and Chancellor in the same category. Certainly deserving of being in the conversation, but because of injuries and the appearance of having lost their dominant ways, people view them as being on the downward slide of their careers and not having done enough already to achieve Hall of Fame status.

Bowman had a good year and racked up more tackles than anyone, but even with all those tackles, he was not the dominant force he was pre-injury. He was not defending the pass nearly as well as he had been before the injury. His passes defended were way down in 2015. He basically substituted truly dominant play in all phases of the game for a large tackle total.

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Comments about last year are fair...

...but that was also his FIRST year back after the injury and he got stronger and stronger as the year wore on. It was taking him a few hours to prep for gametime last year as the knee was still giving him problems. He was also noticeably hesitant cutting on that knee and didn't appear to be fully confident it would hold up.

Those issues are history. He isn't having problems with the knee at all now and the 49ers were confident enough in his health that they just added four years to his contract and gave him a sizable raise with 3 full years remaining on his contract.

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Yeah, there is definitely a chance he could return to his dominant form and have another great year. I would say the same thing about Chancellor, who had to overcome a knee injury and a holdout the last couple years. I have a lot of respect for both players. If they return to form and demonstrate a sustained level of dominance, then they should both be HoFers.