Anyone See Michael Get Dominated Last Night...

WilliamCooper · Oct 5, 2015

On his one and only carry? It was a third and one run off tackle and he did the Texas two-step before getting absolutely dominated.

Reaneypark · Oct 5, 2015

I saw the O-Line getting blown up more than him failing.

hawknation2015 · Oct 5, 2015

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Odd time to use him in the game if you ask me.

dopeboy206 · Oct 5, 2015

How is one play considered dominated? Especially when the OL blew up like the previous poster mentioned?

SeaToTheHawks · Oct 5, 2015

Yea, but you guys, he's definitely going to dominate behind that O-Line. (Please see sig).

Hawk-Lock · Oct 5, 2015

He is going to get playing time now that Dunbar is out.

dontbelikethat · Oct 5, 2015

Is that BB taking him down?

imp:

Hawk-Lock · Oct 5, 2015

dontbelikethat":2xsa9ei5 said:
Is that BB taking him down? imp:

That would be correct.

2_0_6 · Oct 5, 2015

Atleast he held onto the ball. :stirthepot:

Hasselbeck · Oct 5, 2015

SeaToTheHawks":1czfgmlr said:
Yea, but you guys, he's definitely going to dominate behind that O-Line. (Please see sig).

He had one carry.

When he gets 10+ touches and sucks, get back to me.

hawknation2015 · Oct 5, 2015

Hasselbeck":1wn08st1 said:
SeaToTheHawks":1wn08st1 said:

Yea, but you guys, he's definitely going to dominate behind that O-Line. (Please see sig).

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He had one carry.

When he gets 10+ touches and sucks, get back to me.

Lack of carries is an indicator of something we already knew . . . mental deficiency.

Hasselbeck · Oct 5, 2015

hawknation2015":1o2pzcwj said:
Hasselbeck":1o2pzcwj said:

SeaToTheHawks":1o2pzcwj said:

Yea, but you guys, he's definitely going to dominate behind that O-Line. (Please see sig).

Click to expand...

He had one carry.

When he gets 10+ touches and sucks, get back to me.

Click to expand...

Lack of carries if an indicator of something we already knew . . . mental deficiency.

Or because he needed time to understand the playbook and the Cowboys had 3 healthy RB's ahead of him.

Maybe he never puts it all together, but I wouldn't write him off yet. That line was opening up some massive holes for Randle, DMC and Dunbar

hawknation2015 · Oct 5, 2015

Hasselbeck":eai8povo said:
hawknation2015":eai8povo said:

Hasselbeck":eai8povo said:

SeaToTheHawks":eai8povo said:

Yea, but you guys, he's definitely going to dominate behind that O-Line. (Please see sig).

Click to expand...

He had one carry.

When he gets 10+ touches and sucks, get back to me.

Click to expand...

Lack of carries if an indicator of something we already knew . . . mental deficiency.

Click to expand...

Or because he needed time to understand the playbook and the Cowboys had 3 healthy RB's ahead of him.

Maybe he never puts it all together, but I wouldn't write him off yet. That line was opening up some massive holes for Randle, DMC and Dunbar

Massive holes do not equate to success when your RB is an idiot. Just sayin'.

chris98251 · Oct 5, 2015

Scratch Dunbar, done for the season. So Dez, Romo, Dunbar out on offense.

chet380 · Oct 6, 2015

As is obvious on the GIF, the LB who made the tackle was completely unblocked with the play right in front of him.

Give the kid a chance now that he will have opportunities.

hawknation2015 · Oct 6, 2015

chet380":1s3fpina said:
As is obvious on the GIF, the LB who made the tackle was completely unblocked with the play right in front of him.

Give the kid a chance now that he will have opportunities.

Not a LB . . . CB Brandon Browner. But I understand the mistake, he is freaking massive.

Scottemojo · Oct 6, 2015

I kind of find posts like this annoying. CM had zero chance on that play, but the OP is desperate for him to fail in Dallas. Says way more about the OP than CM.

hawknation2015 · Oct 6, 2015

Scottemojo":334qsrh2 said:
I kind of find posts like this annoying. CM had zero chance on that play, but the OP is desperate for him to fail in Dallas. Says way more about the OP than CM.

Were you one of the people predicting that trading Michael would be a huge mistake that would leave the Seahawks with egg all over their faces? If so, I understand your perspective. However, the early returns do not look good thus far. Not because of this one play, but because it has taken him a month to learn the plays, and he still only received one carry.

Contrast that with 34-year-old Fred Jackson, who learned our entire playbook in like a day.

Popeyejones · Oct 7, 2015

hawknation2015":3hwbt55x said:
However, the early returns do not look good thus far. Not because of this one play, but because it has taken him a month to learn the plays, and he still only received one carry.

Contrast that with 34-year-old Fred Jackson, who learned our entire playbook in like a day.

A few things on this:

1) Not really with Fred Jackson. That he was the ostensible #2 and they brought in an UDFA in Rawls to handle the majority of downs when Lynch when out made it pretty clear that Jackson has been operating in a very limited slice of the playbook. We'll never know for sure because Rawls has been effective-ish, but I'd guess Jackson has been brought along slowly, and it just doen't look like that because...

2) He came into a spot as a #2 (or maybe just a 3rd down specialist without any competition at all for touches. Even if Michael could have learned the playbook in 20 minutes (see below) rather than going to a situation with the #2 spot open he went into a situation where he was #4, off the active 46, and needed to show something to even be worth keeping on the 53 (if they cut him they'd get the conditional 7th back).

3) If the knock on Michael is that's he an idiot and can't learn the plays, how are the early returns not looking good so far? They're looking to be about what we expected then. If we get into the second half of the season and he's not competing in the Cowboys' RBBC I think you can start saying the returns aren't looking so good.

4) I think it's worth adjusting expectations, given what his value was. Cristine Michael on the market is worth a conditional 7th round pick. If he stays on the Cowboys roster through the year and can serve as the #3 RB now that Dunbar's out that's about an average return on their investment. Basically what I'm saying is that if he ends up getting 20 or so garbage carries this year the Cowboys break even on the trade. Anything more than that and they came out ahead.

With Michael, I think the big story is that 1) the Cowboys made room on their 46 last week for him as a 4th RB, which is pretty exceptional, and 2) they gave him the ball in a pressure situation. Those are both signs that they see him having a role, IMO.

hawknation2015 · Oct 7, 2015

Popeyejones":2377d16v said:
hawknation2015":2377d16v said:

However, the early returns do not look good thus far. Not because of this one play, but because it has taken him a month to learn the plays, and he still only received one carry.

Contrast that with 34-year-old Fred Jackson, who learned our entire playbook in like a day.

Click to expand...

A few things on this:

1) Not really with Fred Jackson. That he was the ostensible #2 and they brought in an UDFA in Rawls to handle the majority of downs when Lynch when out made it pretty clear that Jackson has been operating in a very limited slice of the playbook. We'll never know for sure because Rawls has been effective-ish, but I'd guess Jackson has been brought along slowly, and it just doen't look like that because...

2) He came into a spot as a #2 (or maybe just a 3rd down specialist without any competition at all for touches. Even if Michael could have learned the playbook in 20 minutes (see below) rather than going to a situation with the #2 spot open he went into a situation where he was #4, off the active 46, and needed to show something to even be worth keeping on the 53 (if they cut him they'd get the conditional 7th back).

3) If the knock on Michael is that's he an idiot and can't learn the plays, how are the early returns not looking good so far? They're looking to be about what we expected then. If we get into the second half of the season and he's not competing in the Cowboys' RBBC I think you can start saying the returns aren't looking so good.

4) I think it's worth adjusting expectations, given what his value was. Cristine Michael on the market is worth a conditional 7th round pick. If he stays on the Cowboys roster through the year and can serve as the #3 RB now that Dunbar's out that's about an average return on their investment. Basically what I'm saying is that if he ends up getting 20 or so garbage carries this year the Cowboys break even on the trade. Anything more than that and they came out ahead.

With Michael, I think the big story is that 1) the Cowboys made room on their 46 last week for him as a 4th RB, which is pretty exceptional, and 2) they gave him the ball in a pressure situation. Those are both signs that they see him having a role, IMO.

You are out of your depths and just wrote a lot of NOTHING.

Carroll said Jackson already has a working knowledge of the entire playbook despite having only signed his one-year deal on Sunday -- “don’t know how,” the coach added. Carroll said Jackson is not only going to play in Sunday’s opener at St. Louis, he’s going to play “a lot.”

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