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Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:47 pm
  • Bears and Jags were supposed to be great and they got waxed today. Vikes have been very inconsistent.

    Is Dallas actually the best defense? :mrgreen:
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:56 pm
  • As it turns out, having a consistently great defense is actually pretty hard in the modern NFL. Lot of pretenders to the throne we left behind, in that regard...
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:02 pm
  • Wow.. Chiefs defense is horrid.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:53 pm
  • Jacksonville is the only one that I would consider elite. If they just had a guy playing QB that could take care of the ball and manage the game they'd have a good chance at a SB.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:56 pm
  • Ravens' D is still pretty high level. 11 sacks today, and haven't given up a second half TD yet this season.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:32 pm
  • Grahamhawker wrote:Ravens' D is still pretty high level. 11 sacks today, and haven't given up a second half TD yet this season.


    Ah, that's a good one. What's weird about them is that they don't have very many stars, they just seem to work together pretty well. Then again, they started out even better last year, especially in terms of turnovers, and got destroyed by good offenses later. We shall see.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:52 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:Bears and Jags were supposed to be great and they got waxed today. Vikes have been very inconsistent.

    Is Dallas actually the best defense? :mrgreen:
    no, they’ve played some pretty soft offenses and...
    we made them look like crap! Good front 4, their LB’s are young and exploitible, their secondary blows...
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:55 pm
  • getnasty wrote:Jacksonville is the only one that I would consider elite. If they just had a guy playing QB that could take care of the ball and manage the game they'd have a good chance at a SB.

    They gave up 40 today against a crappy Jerruh’s kids offense.
    They looked fat and slow today!
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:27 pm
  • With all the rules favoring offense, it is hard for defenses to play at a high level and not get flagged all the time. That is the direction the NFL wants to go, big offenses that score lots of points.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:33 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Bears and Jags were supposed to be great and they got waxed today. Vikes have been very inconsistent.

    Is Dallas actually the best defense? :mrgreen:
    no, they’ve played some pretty soft offenses and...
    we made them look like crap! Good front 4, their LB’s are young and exploitible, their secondary blows...


    Eh we only put up 24 on them, that's not terrible.

    They've given up 16, 13, 24, 24, 19 (OT), and 7 points. Wow, just laying that out there they are damn good. Haven't given up more than 24 period.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:17 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Bears and Jags were supposed to be great and they got waxed today. Vikes have been very inconsistent.

    Is Dallas actually the best defense? :mrgreen:
    no, they’ve played some pretty soft offenses and...
    we made them look like crap! Good front 4, their LB’s are young and exploitible, their secondary blows...


    Eh we only put up 24 on them, that's not terrible.

    They've given up 16, 13, 24, 24, 19 (OT), and 7 points. Wow, just laying that out there they are damn good. Haven't given up more than 24 period.

    Just wait until they play a good offense. Seattle might have been the best offense they played so far, and I wouldn’t call us a great offense just yet. But if you want to believe *allas have a great defense and nothing will convince you otherwise, then I guess that’s your prerogative.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:54 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:Bears and Jags were supposed to be great and they got waxed today. Vikes have been very inconsistent.

    Is Dallas actually the best defense? :mrgreen:
    no, they’ve played some pretty soft offenses and...
    we made them look like crap! Good front 4, their LB’s are young and exploitible, their secondary blows...


    Eh we only put up 24 on them, that's not terrible.

    They've given up 16, 13, 24, 24, 19 (OT), and 7 points. Wow, just laying that out there they are damn good. Haven't given up more than 24 period.

    Just wait until they play a good offense. Seattle might have been the best offense they played so far, and I wouldn’t call us a great offense just yet. But if you want to believe *allas have a great defense and nothing will convince you otherwise, then I guess that’s your prerogative.

    I seem to remember AdeltaY wanting to scrap defense for a star filled offense and try to win
    by high scores..I say that time is not here yet but I get he wants the KC/NE type of games and the
    NFL seems to try like hell to set it up with all the pansy rules they cannot enforce right half of the
    time. Sherman is right about a lot of what he says in this regard.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 am
  • Jags are probably the most talented on paper but teams have learned how to beat their zone coverages. Not sure why they aren't going more man this year, that's when they're at their best with 2 great coverage CB's. Biggest weakness are the safeties and they're getting picked on. Teams started to figure out the Hawks zone coverages and Pete adjusted, lets see if they can do the same.

    Ravens are playing really solid defense, that division will be very interesting to watch unfold. Seahawks as well, holding multiple QBs to under 200 yards in insane.

    Vikings are for sure the biggest surprise. I've watched parts of their games and it seems like it's all from missed assignments or miscommunication. They play fine for most downs and then get burned for a huge gain or TD, not sure who is most to blame for those lapses.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:43 am
  • IndyHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote: no, they’ve played some pretty soft offenses and...
    we made them look like crap! Good front 4, their LB’s are young and exploitible, their secondary blows...


    Eh we only put up 24 on them, that's not terrible.

    They've given up 16, 13, 24, 24, 19 (OT), and 7 points. Wow, just laying that out there they are damn good. Haven't given up more than 24 period.

    Just wait until they play a good offense. Seattle might have been the best offense they played so far, and I wouldn’t call us a great offense just yet. But if you want to believe *allas have a great defense and nothing will convince you otherwise, then I guess that’s your prerogative.

    I seem to remember AdeltaY wanting to scrap defense for a star filled offense and try to win
    by high scores..I say that time is not here yet but I get he wants the KC/NE type of games and the
    NFL seems to try like hell to set it up with all the pansy rules they cannot enforce right half of the
    time. Sherman is right about a lot of what he says in this regard.


    When did I say that? I did say that our offense has to carry the team because the defense has lost so many players and most of them are young and learning. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. I never agreed with "scrapping" the defense, but the team traded Bennett, did't resign Sheldon, and released Sherm - the FO scrapped it. Also when you're about to pay 30-35M to your QB, it makes sense that your offense carries your team.

    I said that I enjoy watching some high scoring games, what's it to you? And actually I thought the KC/NE game was too much. Some defensive plays are necessary. I like it when some games are high scoring and others are low scoring, with most in the middle like a normal distribution. If every game is high scoring it isn't as fun.

    You can condescend to me and say "go watch arena football". Whatever dude, your conception of what football "should" be isn't the only valid one.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:50 am
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:19 pm
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    Paper lions for the most part. The Hawk's D is ranked higher than the Rams.

    I thought the Jags D would be nasty all year, but they're imploding in front of our very eyes. Probably because they know if they allow even one TD there's no way Blake Bortles can lead a comeback.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:41 pm
  • Let me be the one to humbly announce: the next great defense will be the 2019-2020 Seahawks.

    Why?

    LOB v2 will have one to two seasons under their belt, we are one great pass rusher away from having a very good DL, we do have great LB. of course we need depth .

    In fact we may have a preview of that this season if Wright, dion and green came back strong. We will still lack depth so just a preview.

    Of course Pete is still a must fire :)


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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:35 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:
    IndyHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
    Eh we only put up 24 on them, that's not terrible.

    They've given up 16, 13, 24, 24, 19 (OT), and 7 points. Wow, just laying that out there they are damn good. Haven't given up more than 24 period.

    Just wait until they play a good offense. Seattle might have been the best offense they played so far, and I wouldn’t call us a great offense just yet. But if you want to believe *allas have a great defense and nothing will convince you otherwise, then I guess that’s your prerogative.

    I seem to remember AdeltaY wanting to scrap defense for a star filled offense and try to win
    by high scores..I say that time is not here yet but I get he wants the KC/NE type of games and the
    NFL seems to try like hell to set it up with all the pansy rules they cannot enforce right half of the
    time. Sherman is right about a lot of what he says in this regard.


    When did I say that? I did say that our offense has to carry the team because the defense has lost so many players and most of them are young and learning. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. I never agreed with "scrapping" the defense, but the team traded Bennett, did't resign Sheldon, and released Sherm - the FO scrapped it. Also when you're about to pay 30-35M to your QB, it makes sense that your offense carries your team.

    I said that I enjoy watching some high scoring games, what's it to you? And actually I thought the KC/NE game was too much. Some defensive plays are necessary. I like it when some games are high scoring and others are low scoring, with most in the middle like a normal distribution. If every game is high scoring it isn't as fun.

    You can condescend to me and say "go watch arena football". Whatever dude, your conception of what football "should" be isn't the only valid one.

    That arena part makes me think of the thread that I thought you wanted a stacked offense..
    Maybe I got it wrong and I didn't mean my way is the only one..I just do not like where the NFL is
    headed.
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Re: Any great defenses left?
Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:31 pm
  • I agree man, I only want the stacked O for us to be able to compete with top teams, but I do not think we should neglect defense, only it will take us some time to build it back up.
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