wow. people here putting hass in column with breese, farve? there's more than koolaide in that koolaide.

people who have said many times over there is no hate are correct, and I too agree with love the team, not the player. good luck telling some bullish fans that though. it's unreal.

no hate, just fact.

the SF win - first, you can thank your defense for the majority of that game win. Matt was average and serviceable that day at best ( because , really he's an average qb overall ). defense wins games and that was shown that day.
add to this it was season game 1 in our incredibly tough stadium (awesome btw) and that SF was not playing like the SF that should have been there.

enter the reverse of this with Denver game unfortunately. our qb stunk it up to high heaven, our PR compiled it with a fumble and our d was called upon in mile high 120 degree weather far too much. Denver's o is tough, but even so the d eventually wore down.

Lot's of factors but none of it points to signs Hass is honestly a top tier qb I'm afraid, and that's what some are insinuating. I sure like the guy but when it's said it's time to look into our next qb to lead a rebuilding team, I'd have to agree. other than obvious and consistent frustration with the situation (it's kind of sad I'll admit), just as the rest of the team is a rebuild , it's time it applies to the qb position. whether it's CW or not is completely unknown, but the problem is known IMO. 35 is a very real number I'm afraid.

speaking of CW, it's complete BS saying the guy cannot be a solid qb. i wont listen to a word of that nonsense. nobody here knows anything about that I'm afraid. the only thing you can do is put him in the pit and go to work in finding out. if worse after given proper time, you now know and you move on in finding it. but talk of preseason? really? too funny.

oh well, there is a lot to be excited about though withthis new team. this topic is a bit sad in comparison. like Matt but think it's time.

not really picking on you here, but this is basically what all the hass detractors (haters) have been saying through this whole thread, and for quite a while actually. The problem with this theory is that you all say that it's time for Whitehurst and Hass isn't the man to win the games, but I didn't know that the fans on a message board knew better about who was the best quarterback on the field and in practice. How is it that we haven't seen enough of Whitehurst to judge him not good enough but you have seen enough to judge him ready to play over the man the COACHES have said is the clear starterand that it's not Charlie's time yet? Funny how one side is pre judging without knowledge and the other side thinks they know better than the coaches that he is ready to play now with the same set of (or lack of) knowledge. How does that work? Bottome line is that our coaches, our players, alot of the fans and most of the NFL experts believe that Hasselbeck is the best qb on our team and that trumps the sad arguments of emotional fans after a bad game

The problem is that Matt's "bad stretch" is going on three years.

You're proving my point. In order to make this statement you have to completely forget just 7 days prior when he had a 105 QB rating and had a string of 10 for 11 completions.

Nope, I was wrong, got TDs and INT mixed up on the football reference page.

He had 15 TDs in 5 games in 2007.


After re-checking the proper column for Favre the worst I could find was 11 in 5 games in 2005, 5 of those came in 1 game


Just a quick glance and not exhaustive but it appears that even the ultimate gunslinger never had this bad of a stretch.

sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while

The apparently difficult to understand part is about how all QBs have bad stretches and it doesn't make them bad QBs.

sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while

All you Mattractors, or whatever you want to call yourselves, will soon be eating your words anyway. After what we saw from the Oline in Denver, I expect the offense to do very well this year, with Hasselbeck leading the way.

You better check a fourth time, and then a fifth and sixth. And then maybe just give up and listen to what I'm saying. As a fan you need a scapegoat, you want something to be true so you only see what you want to see. This is no condemnation. I'm sure I do the same thing.

So first of all Matt has not thrown 15 in five games, he's thrown 13 in five games. Favre threw 14 in a stretch of five games in 98. Just in the 'F's there's Dan Fouts, one of the most consistent passers I have ever seen and a perennial Pro Bowler, threw 16 in a five game stretch in 1986. Plenty more can be found.

If you're talking multiple pro bowl QB's, then yea I can see your point, but the most obvious was Cutler last year. His whole year stunk, he's playing well now, and went to at least 1 pro bowl prior.

It doesn't matter who our QB is, if he has a bad game then everyone will complain about terrible he is. Good games they'll be praising him.

If Hasselbeck has a good game this sunday, the haters will disappear and wait till he has another bad game. When the Seahawks win, its not because of Hass, even if he accounts for more than half the points like week 1 vs the Niners. Nah, its the team that won. But when the Seahawks lose, its Hasselbeck's fault.

This is just silly.

Matt got credit for week 1, he played a good game. Was he the difference in that game? Not in my opinion (looking at week 1 objectively and Matt was not the difference in that game, he played a role but was not the difference) but he got credit.

Disagree with me all you want but a very very sound argument can be made that the difference in the game last Sunday was Matt's play.

Its not just making stuff up, look at the stats, remember how the game was played, the difference was not our defense sucking (which they did) because Denver's defense also sucked, the difference was QB play. That is not some emotional hatred of Matt coming to the surface, it is a very very very reasonable opinion based on the facts of the game that was played last Sunday.

The Matt 'supporters' crowd are ignoring what they saw and going off emotions, not the other way around.

Seriously, bring up the defense all you want but Seattle punted less than Denver so the defense was NOT the difference. The difference was QB play last Sunday.

Deal with it.

So you think if Matt didn't run that heroic TD then the game would've turned out the same? Nah, that got the team all jacked and pumped.