wow. people here putting hass in column with breese, farve? there's more than koolaide in that koolaide.

people who have said many times over there is no hate are correct, and I too agree with love the team, not the player. good luck telling some bullish fans that though. it's unreal.

no hate, just fact.

the SF win - first, you can thank your defense for the majority of that game win. Matt was average and serviceable that day at best ( because , really he's an average qb overall ). defense wins games and that was shown that day.
add to this it was season game 1 in our incredibly tough stadium (awesome btw) and that SF was not playing like the SF that should have been there.

enter the reverse of this with Denver game unfortunately. our qb stunk it up to high heaven, our PR compiled it with a fumble and our d was called upon in mile high 120 degree weather far too much. Denver's o is tough, but even so the d eventually wore down.

Lot's of factors but none of it points to signs Hass is honestly a top tier qb I'm afraid, and that's what some are insinuating. I sure like the guy but when it's said it's time to look into our next qb to lead a rebuilding team, I'd have to agree. other than obvious and consistent frustration with the situation (it's kind of sad I'll admit), just as the rest of the team is a rebuild , it's time it applies to the qb position. whether it's CW or not is completely unknown, but the problem is known IMO. 35 is a very real number I'm afraid.

speaking of CW, it's complete BS saying the guy cannot be a solid qb. i wont listen to a word of that nonsense. nobody here knows anything about that I'm afraid. the only thing you can do is put him in the pit and go to work in finding out. if worse after given proper time, you now know and you move on in finding it. but talk of preseason? really? too funny.

oh well, there is a lot to be excited about though withthis new team. this topic is a bit sad in comparison. like Matt but think it's time.

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no hate, just fact.

the SF win - Matt was average and serviceable that day at best funny.

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Wow, So where does the fact come in. Sounds like opinion to me. One of the higher QB ratings for the week. Started slow and came on strong against a team that was suppose to kick our butt! Yes it was the def., also the off. also the special teams. Wait. wait, you mean it took a team effort! WOW, But Matt had nothing to do with that and was just serviceable. GIVE me A Break. Talk about opinions and over dramatizing.

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Um, the Seahawk turnovers by Hasselbeck came deep in Denver territory. The Seahawk D didn't eventually wear down, it let Denver drive all the way down the full field each time. If the D would have been able to stop Denver at all (Denver punted only once, right?) it would have been a whole different game. Hass's interceptions were done in the least damaging place they could have been. Forgot about that, eh?

The Seahawk QB also marched the Seahawks up and down the field, but because the Seahawks lost, some fans apparently need a scapegoat. To do it they need to rewrite history.

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something that stood out

"love the team not the player"

almost brought a tear to my eye, no truer words have been spoken. we won't win a SB with Hass. Lets just be real here, Brees and Favre are SB winning QB's. Hass shouldn't be mentioned with them, Hass is like the "well i almost had one". And i'm tired of exuses, if Hass was a true leader, he'd get in the receivers faces and tell 'em to get open (which they are Hass has declining eye sight or something), a leader tries to get players to play to their full potential. I"ve never viewed Matt as a leader. Seneca showed better leadership in that game against the Rams where he went nuts on the O-Line and they didn't mess up again that whole game. I don't care who the QB is, i don't expect much from this team this year anyway (check the history). But Matts play in Denver was an embarassment, and it was an embarassment last year. One game when he has the energy of the home crowd behind him on opening day doesn't mean anything to me. Perform or get the hell off the field.

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well ok, but this is a forum, every post like this is opinion. one would assume that's understood. the facts are Matt's recent int history (one I would change if I could ).

Yeah, that is who is re-writing history


Hass played like garbage.


Guess how many times Seattle punted?

Twice, once before the 4th quarter

Guess how many times Denver punted?

Three times, once before the 4th quarter


How is it that both teams punted once in 3 quarters yet one team was blowing out the other (24-7) heading into the final quarter?


Answer: Turnovers, 3 to be exact, 2 by the veteran leader and captain of the team and this ignores the 4th and 2 play where that same veteran leader failed to even give his team a chance to make a play by throwing the ball through the endzone.



Matt gets the blame because Matt is the reason the team was out of the game going into the 4th quarter, he plays good (not great and not an unreasonable expectation) and Seattle is most likely within 1 score going into the 4th quarter.

oh I dunno, not questioning Matt's past leadership. just saying that he's dealing with his own game issues and that then affects the leadership we all once knew.

Yeah, so according to you, even though the interceptions gave up the ball deeper than you'd expect from any punt and Denver had to drive the full length of the field and score, the blame all goes to Hasselbeck and none to the defense. ...Riiiiiiiight.

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"Unless you were in that meeting room and know what we're supposed to do, don't assume!" -T.J.H.

Who said that?

I certainly never have, I blame both.

That said, Matt plays like a leader should and Seattle has a chance in a shoot out.


Both defenses sucked, one offense took advantage, the other did not because it's leader failed to deliver when needed. That is last Sunday from a factual perspective.


More to the point, how are red zone turnovers somehow now "better than punts"

When did the job of the offense become to pin the other offense deep? News to me, I thought the goal was to score points. Worst case (I repeat worst case) Seattle should have been down 17-6 at halftime instead of 17-0, yet somehow its excused because its "better than a punt"

Seriously?


Can't you just admit Matt played like garbage? Even he can admit it.

The question is not whether or not Matt had a bad game, of course it wasn't his best game. Of course if he would have played better the team would have had more of a chance. That's all obvious. The apparently difficult to understand part is about how all QBs have bad stretches and it doesn't make them bad QBs.

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The problem is that Matt's "bad stretch" is going on three years.

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So you're projecting in order to not address the situation. You spend a whole post explaining why YOU THINK people are being emotional and not objective. Yet, you have no actual idea of the emotional state of some of us as we post this. I just got done rewatching the game yet again. I slow it down. Just wastched Matt throw it away on fourth down. No25 is breaking open right in front of Matt and would have had a TD, but Matt throws to the back of the endzone. No pressure on Matt.

That isn't me being emotional. That's me using my own two eyes.

The reason Matt is getting worse is twofold: One, he is getting old. Two, he's been shellshocked for the past couple of years - and even going back further than that, ever since the Hutch debacle. He might not ever return to the form he once had.

Or he might.

But when his oline protects him like it did yesterday, and he throws away so many bad plays, then one has to wonder if perhaps he's never going to go back to his old form.

I wasn't a big fan of the Whitehurst move and I've made my feelings known even when it was unpopular. But I think those who clamor to give the guy a chnce are probably right. I think Hass MIGHT regain his swagger and confidence and he MIGHT not have lost his physical skills as badly as he looks to me to have done. But I'm not betting on it.

Unfortunately, I'm not betting on Whitehurst either. I think the guys a bust. I read his scouting report and all his negatives are STILL his negatives. He's not the future.

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Not only that but if anyone even dares to suggest its more than just 1 game they are a 'hater'


That is stupid, Matt played terrible Sunday, that is a fact and has nothing to do with hate.

I think consistency of play on the road will finally be realized by this team and this coaching staff THIS season. By consistency of play, I mean eliminating all the bad things like the picks and blowing 3rd and long.

Of the last several seasons where we have just been plagued by these same problems over and over (well, mostly blowing it on 3rd down) I think this season is going to the break out season.

It's unfortunately going to take several games....but again, moreso than at any other time before, I am feeling really good about the team gelling and maturing where those mistakes won't be made as often as they are now.

And yes...I still have faith in Hass. I think as he gets more comfortable in this new offensive scheme, his new receivers, and his new OL, he will improve.

I would love to see these dozen Pro Bowl QBs that have had a 5 game stretch with 13 picks after their 3rd year in the league, I ain't looking but I'd love to see it if true.

Just did a quick check. Even Favre in his worst years didn't have a stretch that bad.

EDIT: I guess I'm wrong, lol.

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"I love Hass, but ever since the Super Bowl he`s gone the way of Jake Delhomme or Marc Bulger. Sad, but it`s what has happened"


Yea because he sucked so bad in 2007 when he carried this team with NO run game.

I think we're seeing a guy on the downside of his prime. He's still athletic. Heck, he got there QUICK on that 20 yard TD run up the middle. I think his decision making is him pushing too hard. And on one INT, PC claimed he had a guy hitting him when he threw it, thus causing him to underthrow Carlson a bit on it. But I'm seeing lack of arm strength causing his passes to get there slower than they used to, so DBs can undercut or jump the routes. He's savvy enough to make them pay though, as evidenced in the SF game. He's going to win us games, lose us games, and basically be above average to mediocre this year.

At some point, we're going to see if Whitehurst can be the guy. We HAVE to know by the end of the season, because one of the best drafts for QBs in the last decade is looming; if we're going to get a franchise guy, this is the time. Luck, Mallett or Locker can be had in the middle of the first round. If we're thinking Charlie is the guy, then go with DE if our guy is there with the 1st pick.

Good points made in the above posts. As I posted in another thread, Matt's QB rating has been in the toilet in 2008 and 2009. Now, during that same time, Seneca Wallace was a better, more productive QB than Matt Hasselbeck. Nobody wanted Seneca. Whitehurst is even worse. So they cling to Matt. Yes, he was injured. Yes, our o-line was in shambles.

But that wasn't the case against Denver and Matt still stunk up the joint.

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Nope, I was wrong, got TDs and INT mixed up on the football reference page.

He had 15 TDs in 5 games in 2007.


After re-checking the proper column for Favre the worst I could find was 11 in 5 games in 2005, 5 of those came in 1 game


Just a quick glance and not exhaustive but it appears that even the ultimate gunslinger never had this bad of a stretch.

Last one I am going to check, thought Manning might pull it off since he passes so much but like Favre, 11 is his high after his rookie year (had 12 in his first 5 career games), this despite throwing 6 in 1 game back in 2007.

Still never had 13 in a 5 game stretch.

Someone want to check Elway? I could believe it about him (and he is the best QB ever IMO).

Edit: Checked Elway too, 11 was his worst 5 game stretch (sensing a theme here) in 1992.


I'm done now.