Well ...... Seattle has had a much better day than San Francisco.
Looks like they have lost their general manager which could really upset their draft >>> viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12756
rjdriver wrote:You guys checked out the Chargers forums for the hell of it?
Kind of interesting, got on http://www.bolttalk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21809 and was checking out SD's forums. In a nut shell;
Started out with posts like this:
"I seriously doubt a 3rd round tender would be gotten for Charlie.
I mean seriously we just traded a former pro-bowl CB in Cromartie for a 3rd round tender. The thought of a guy who has taken a handful of snaps at the pro level after 4 years, doesn't really add up to getting a 3rd rounder for him.
Not saying some desperate team wouldn't just saying it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY."
and
"I would gladly give him up for a 3rd.
I din't think that it will happen though."
and
"Maybe we get a fifth or sixth rounder. Maybe a fourth next year."
Most current posts looks like this:
"Suck on that all you AJ doubters.""
and
"A.J. SMITH IS GOD !!!!!!
ALL WHO DOUBT WILL BE CAST DOWN INTO THE BOWELS OF THE FORUM
POSTERS SHOULD GET ON THEIR KNEES !!!"
And....wait for it.....
"HAHAHAHAHA OMG
Its a great feeling to come home after a long day and see that AJ moved us up 20 spots in the 2nd, and got us an extra 3rd next year for a guy who has never thrown a pass in the NFL."
Enough said. What does it mean? Nothing of course....I just wish ONE of our threads could share even a resemblance to theirs. First Seneca, then Tapp, Now this....
God, I hope my frustrations are unfounded.
prelag wrote:volsunghawk wrote:
No, by my logic, we shouldn't get all worked up over spending a late 2nd/early 3rd round on a prospective starting QB just because he has no NFL regular season experience precisely because teams do it all the time. And they often do it with higher stakes, spending earlier picks and more guaranteed money.
Examples of teams that have given up as much or more then we have for a 3rd string QB, in our case, one with no game experience I might add. Hell, has there been a team this year to use anything higher then a 3rd on a FA QB?
Also, how is the #40 a late second? Its an early 2nd. Early enough to draft a stud RB or safety.
volsunghawk wrote:prelag wrote:volsunghawk wrote:
No, by my logic, we shouldn't get all worked up over spending a late 2nd/early 3rd round on a prospective starting QB just because he has no NFL regular season experience precisely because teams do it all the time. And they often do it with higher stakes, spending earlier picks and more guaranteed money.
Examples of teams that have given up as much or more then we have for a 3rd string QB, in our case, one with no game experience I might add. Hell, has there been a team this year to use anything higher then a 3rd on a FA QB?
Also, how is the #40 a late second? Its an early 2nd. Early enough to draft a stud RB or safety.
You keep calling Whitehurst a 3rd-string QB, but rookies in the draft are NO string QBs until they're brought in. They haven't even proven they can make an NFL roster.
The total value of the picks traded for Whitehurst is worth a late 2nd/early 3rd. It's not like we just tossed our 2nd round pick away. We got #60 in return, which is a late 2nd. Combine that with the 2011 3rd, and the value comes out to around the 2nd round/3rd round border. And by the way, you can still get "stud" players at the end of the 2nd, just as easily as you can get a bust early in the 1st.
Bigpumpkin wrote:A reincarnation if I've ever seen one!!
Yeah, Whitehurst will be 28yo at the start of season! He's older then Aaron Rodgers also!
SeaTown81 wrote:Schefter retweeted this from some random user:Yeah, Whitehurst will be 28yo at the start of season! He's older then Aaron Rodgers also!
The Hawks are taking a beating on this deal from everyone all around. It really isn't helping me be more positive about it.
SeaTown81 wrote:The Hawks are taking a beating on this deal from everyone all around. It really isn't helping me be more positive about it.
depecheSeahawk wrote:What the french.....toast! Seriously, why are we giving players away for cheap and paying so much for others?!
What's wrong with Teel? How is this guy any different than him?
This is wrong in so many ways. Obviously we all hope this turns into another Hass (of '04-'07 with an OL) and it turns out to be a steal. But, right now it's ridiculous!
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Maybe this is the states for you... but in England, when a coach gets fired he either gets another job or he just keeps his head down. He doesn't go on the radio talking about what his replacement is doing with a critical eye.
depecheSeahawk wrote:Is he really getting $5mil a year? What the hell has he done to derserve that much?! Did Charlie come here wearing a Favre costume?
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Oh my god - now JIM MORA is sticking his oar in. 'Matt Hasselbeck deserves better'. Maybe this is the states for you... but in England, when a coach gets fired he either gets another job or he just keeps his head down. He doesn't go on the radio talking about what his replacement is doing with a critical eye.
What a crock.
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:The worst case scenario is seattle gave up a bit of draft stock. The best case scenario is - QB position sewn up. The potential pro's far outweigh the con's.
LawHawk wrote:theENGLISHseahawk wrote:The worst case scenario is seattle gave up a bit of draft stock. The best case scenario is - QB position sewn up. The potential pro's far outweigh the con's.
I agree that best-case scenario here is much more good than worst-case scenario is bad. But what are the odds of each? The odds that we lose draft currency is 100%. The odds that we get a good QB (I'm not even saying Pro Bowl, just above average) are what, 25% at best? I don't think anyone has any evidence that this guy has a 50-50 chance of being a good starting QB.
Tech Worlds wrote:When you draft a player you lose that draft currency too, with no assurances that the player will work out for you.
So what is your point?
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:depecheSeahawk wrote:Is he really getting $5mil a year? What the hell has he done to derserve that much?! Did Charlie come here wearing a Favre costume?
So what?
Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
So what?
Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.
rjdriver wrote:You guys checked out the Chargers forums for the hell of it?
Kind of interesting, got on http://www.bolttalk.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21809 and was checking out SD's forums. In a nut shell;
Started out with posts like this:
"I seriously doubt a 3rd round tender would be gotten for Charlie.
I mean seriously we just traded a former pro-bowl CB in Cromartie for a 3rd round tender. The thought of a guy who has taken a handful of snaps at the pro level after 4 years, doesn't really add up to getting a 3rd rounder for him.
Not saying some desperate team wouldn't just saying it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY."
and
"I would gladly give him up for a 3rd.
I din't think that it will happen though."
and
"Maybe we get a fifth or sixth rounder. Maybe a fourth next year."
Most current posts looks like this:
"Suck on that all you AJ doubters.""
and
"A.J. SMITH IS GOD !!!!!!
ALL WHO DOUBT WILL BE CAST DOWN INTO THE BOWELS OF THE FORUM
POSTERS SHOULD GET ON THEIR KNEES !!!"
And....wait for it.....
"HAHAHAHAHA OMG
Its a great feeling to come home after a long day and see that AJ moved us up 20 spots in the 2nd, and got us an extra 3rd next year for a guy who has never thrown a pass in the NFL."
Enough said. What does it mean? Nothing of course....I just wish ONE of our threads could share even a resemblance to theirs. First Seneca, then Tapp, Now this....
God, I hope my frustrations are unfounded.
HAWKNUTZ wrote:I find it hard to believe that the eagles would not have taken this years 2nd and next years 3rd for kolb but I could be wrong but if they would have I would much rather had kolb!! What a joke of a deal!!! I wonder if we are in neg. with the peirce county bengals now to land a couple of there guys LMAO!
depecheSeahawk wrote:theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
So what?
Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.
$5mil is a lot for an unproven rookie. This guy is an unproven pro. Seriously, just seems like a lot of money for a guy who wasn't even someones SECOND string QB. How do people not see the negativity in that. Believe me, I hope this guy is the next Favre that ATL didn't want and traded to GB. I just don't get why SEA gave so much for this guy and let Wallace walk for SO MUCH less. I just don't get it.
depecheSeahawk wrote:theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
So what?
Seriously - let's just give the guy a chance. It won't 'make or break' the new regime. It's a calculated gamble with greater potential upside than what we gave up. Don't get all the negativity.
$5mil is a lot for an unproven rookie. This guy is an unproven pro. Seriously, just seems like a lot of money for a guy who wasn't even someones SECOND string QB. How do people not see the negativity in that. Believe me, I hope this guy is the next Favre that ATL didn't want and traded to GB. I just don't get why SEA gave so much for this guy and let Wallace walk for SO MUCH less. I just don't get it.
cboom wrote:Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.
prelag wrote:volsunghawk wrote:For the record, I don't like Clausen one itty bitty bit. And as I pointed out, if Whitehurst proves to be a bust, it's a lot easier to move on from the Whitehurst experiment than from a kid you gave 6 years and $70 million. I say Whitehurst will be a starter soon enough because Hasselbeck's contract is done in one year and he's not getting any younger. Plus, he has an injury history a mile long. Isn't that why we were looking for a QB in the first place? As of right now, the only damn thing we're talking about is potential. You're betting on a guy who's proven even less than Whitehurst has, at significantly higher stakes.
How costly will it be if the Whitehurst experiment doesn't pan out? Will we become the Cleveland Browns forever intertwined in a QB carousal?
twisted_steel2 wrote:Good for them, they should be happy. Their team stockpiled some very good QB's, and other teams(us) who are desperate for QB's came calling. They got some value for a player that was buried on the depth chart. Good for the Chargers. Their fans should be happy.
But you know what? Good for us as well. We potentially got a good QB who might start for us for a drop down in the second round and a 3rd. If CW plays well, it's a steal for us too. Right? I would hope as fans of the Seahawks we can be excited to see what this guy can do, he has all the potential in the world. Have some faith.
Not all trades have to be one sides, this could be beneficial for both teams down the road.
HawksFTW wrote: $5million is a FRACTION of what we would have paid for a top rookie QB. As for the third stringer comments, please get over it. He was behind one of the best QBs in the league, and a pretty damn good veteran. What do you want him to do about it, he didn't get to pick where he was drafted. The reason why Seattle gave what the did for Whitehurst, and got so little for Seneca is....someone actually wanted Whitehurst, no one wanted Seneca. I don't get why people keep comparing the two deals, they are miles apart. Seneca had no value to us, and obviously no value to anyone else.
depecheSeahawk wrote:HawksFTW wrote: $5million is a FRACTION of what we would have paid for a top rookie QB. As for the third stringer comments, please get over it. He was behind one of the best QBs in the league, and a pretty damn good veteran. What do you want him to do about it, he didn't get to pick where he was drafted. The reason why Seattle gave what the did for Whitehurst, and got so little for Seneca is....someone actually wanted Whitehurst, no one wanted Seneca. I don't get why people keep comparing the two deals, they are miles apart. Seneca had no value to us, and obviously no value to anyone else.
Get over it? So, we should just shut this message board down and post picks, trades etc and have a "In Pete we trust" emoticon for everyone to use.![]()
I'm not stupid. I KNOW a top rookie would be a lot more money. I just don't see why he is worth the money. Is SD the capitol of QB World? Billy Volek isn't that great of a QB. Shoot, he was aquired for a 6th round pick.
I know this is all moot with the comparisons. I just don't understand what our front office sees in this guy. Can anyone tell me? Just because they tender him as a 3rd rounder doesn't mean he is that to everyone but us. They were just trying to get what they could and we bit. Even their fans didn't think anyone would. All I keep reading about is how SEA traded for a guy who hasn't played any real snaps in his NFL career.
And Twisted, I know I know $5mil would be cheap for a starter. But again, why do we think he will be? What have our guys seen?
Don't get me wrong. I hope this is a steal. I'm not even saying this is a bad deal. Just wondering what warranted us thinking he's starter material with all the money he's being paid.
volsunghawk wrote: Le sigh. Take a look at what Volek did in the regular season in 2004 for Tennessee when he was given the opportunity to start. You should be able to find it at NFL.com or at pro-football-reference.com. He was had for a low pick because he was disgruntled with the Titans for bringing Kerry Collins in, and San Diego took advantage of that. Volek is a whole lot better than most of you seem to understand. And San Diego has a top 5 in the league QB as their first string.
The point is that "3rd string" in San Diego is not "3rd string" everywhere else in the league. SD happened to have the strongest set of QBs in the entire NFL. Just because Whitehurst couldn't crack the top two in that situation doesn't mean he's a worthless scrub. The Chargers saw potential in Whitehurst when they drafted him. Carroll and Schneider saw potential in Whitehurst when they traded for him. And I, for one, am glad they decided to take a flier on this guy to see if he can be our starter rather than commit a massive contract to one of the garbage QBs in this year's draft (who - guess what - are even MORE unproven than Whitehurst).
depecheSeahawk wrote:Le sigh. Take a look at what Volek did in the regular season in 2004 for Tennessee when he was given the opportunity to start. You should be able to find it at NFL.com or at pro-football-reference.com. He was had for a low pick because he was disgruntled with the Titans for bringing Kerry Collins in, and San Diego took advantage of that. Volek is a whole lot better than most of you seem to understand. And San Diego has a top 5 in the league QB as their first string.volsunghawk wrote:.
The point is that "3rd string" in San Diego is not "3rd string" everywhere else in the league. SD happened to have the strongest set of QBs in the entire NFL. Just because Whitehurst couldn't crack the top two in that situation doesn't mean he's a worthless scrub. The Chargers saw potential in Whitehurst when they drafted him. Carroll and Schneider saw potential in Whitehurst when they traded for him. And I, for one, am glad they decided to take a flier on this guy to see if he can be our starter rather than commit a massive contract to one of the garbage QBs in this year's draft (who - guess what - are even MORE unproven than Whitehurst).
hawkfan68 wrote:depecheSeahawk wrote:Le sigh. Take a look at what Volek did in the regular season in 2004 for Tennessee when he was given the opportunity to start. You should be able to find it at NFL.com or at pro-football-reference.com. He was had for a low pick because he was disgruntled with the Titans for bringing Kerry Collins in, and San Diego took advantage of that. Volek is a whole lot better than most of you seem to understand. And San Diego has a top 5 in the league QB as their first string.volsunghawk wrote:.
The point is that "3rd string" in San Diego is not "3rd string" everywhere else in the league. SD happened to have the strongest set of QBs in the entire NFL. Just because Whitehurst couldn't crack the top two in that situation doesn't mean he's a worthless scrub. The Chargers saw potential in Whitehurst when they drafted him. Carroll and Schneider saw potential in Whitehurst when they traded for him. And I, for one, am glad they decided to take a flier on this guy to see if he can be our starter rather than commit a massive contract to one of the garbage QBs in this year's draft (who - guess what - are even MORE unproven than Whitehurst).
A big Charlie (no pun intended) Brown UUUUUHHHHGGGG.
Has anyone read what I asked? I said I know a rookie would be more $ but at least he'd have credentials that would let me know why he was making so much.
AGAIN, I am just wondering where/when SEA (NOT SD) saw potential in Whitehurst? In college four years ago? In preseason? That's ALL I want to know. Forget the trade blah blah blah. DOES ANYONE KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM OTHER THAN HE WAS A GOOD QB ON A TEAM THAT ALREADY HAD TWO GOOD QBs. Believe me, I understand one third for a team can be a first for us. Just WHY do we think so. That's all. My gosh, I'm not against the guy. (As stated before).
redeye81 wrote:Depeche,
They worked him out. They watched him throw passes. THey discussed X's and O's with him. Bates and Carrrell know what they need a in a QB. Just as Holmgren knew what he needeed in a QB. You can't always get that from film. The QB may play in a different system for example. He may not be asked to make the types of throws needed in a different system. Doesnt mean he can't do it.. That's why they work him out. Bottom line Pete is going to get the players he wants to play in his system.. If he needs to justify every move to the fans then we're screwed. In the end the results will speak..
"We took our time, now. We didn't rush through this judgment at all. We looked at everything. We've seen every snap he's had about three different times."
Schneider referred to scouting Whitehurst at a workout in 2005 at Clemson and watching him play against Georgia Tech a year later.
"When you see somebody like this, you've got to take your shot," Schneider said.
bighawk wrote:Whitehurst is better than any quarterback in this draft and if Hasselbeck gets hurt like he always do then this guy can play right away. The best thing about him to me is his arm strength one pass on the highlight youtube of him he threw a pass from the 10 yard line and the guy caught it on the other side of the fields 30 yard line, the ball was in the air for 60 yards and it looked like he barely flicked his arm, now that is arm strength. He has a quick high and tight release great feet and mobility and he looks like he will be hard to tackle. I am sure that they will trade back and try to get a 3rd and or another second. This team needs playmakers and C.J.Spiller would be great at a trade back from 6 and Charles Brown in a trade back from 14.
hawksmode wrote:bighawk wrote:Whitehurst is better than any quarterback in this draft and if Hasselbeck gets hurt like he always do then this guy can play right away. The best thing about him to me is his arm strength one pass on the highlight youtube of him he threw a pass from the 10 yard line and the guy caught it on the other side of the fields 30 yard line, the ball was in the air for 60 yards and it looked like he barely flicked his arm, now that is arm strength. He has a quick high and tight release great feet and mobility and he looks like he will be hard to tackle. I am sure that they will trade back and try to get a 3rd and or another second. This team needs playmakers and C.J.Spiller would be great at a trade back from 6 and Charles Brown in a trade back from 14.
Why was he the 3rd QB then?
Scottemojo wrote:As for the rest of your post, well...you convinced me. You know more than everyone else. I bow to your superior knowledge
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