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I think Matt is done, but holy crap, that's a hefty price for a journeyman QB. The difference between early second round and late second round is huge in this draft.

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We traded a 4th rounder (equivalent to a 3rd next year) and dropped 20 spots in the second (a difference of 200 points per the value chart = to the 78th pick overall, which is a 3rd rounder). I think we overpaid considering this guy is completely unproven.

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Wonder how this affects us still chasing Marshall since we have now ridded ourselves of our near 1st round pick.


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Matt will have to compete to start now. :thfight7:

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Seems a bit steep for someone to backup Matt, so I'm gonna assume that he's the starter.

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It's a big risk to put this kind of investment in a guy when he hasn't shown it on the field, but I think it's exciting to finally have the guy that our front office thinks will be our next franchise QB on the roster. It'll be fun to see what happens with this.


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I agree Matt is done with this franchise. This move doesn't make any sense unless Whitehurst is coming to be the starter. Guys like Lefevour and Tebow could have been had for less as developmental QBs.

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If he isnt the starter in Week 1 - Carroll and Schneider should be fired.


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smh booooooooooo this guy better be the second coming or imma hate him til hes off the team

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The good news is that we still have the same number of picks this year. The bad news is that's a pretty steep price. Seems to suggest to me that they're seriously looking at Whitehurst as starter material. I'm starting to think that they'll be quietly shopping Hass around between now and the draft.

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Agreed with everyone, way too much compensation, what were they thinking.


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The thing that is particularly strange with this is the report that we are signing him to a 2-year deal. If they think he is the future QB for the team, why would this only be a 2-year deal?


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This guy better be the 2nd coming of Dan Marino.

I much would've preferred we give up say, our 4th and 5th round picks this year. I seriously think they overpaid.

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Yeah, really... if we gave up this much with the intentions of Hasselbeck being our starter... I won't go as far as to say I lost all trust in PC/Schneider, but it'd be hanging by a thread.

I am excited to get someone new in there. Hopefully he's the right guy.


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The thing that is particularly strange with this is the report that we are signing him to a 2-year deal. If they think he is the future QB for the team, why would this only be a 2-year deal?


That is the biggest question...it makes no sense for a two year deal.


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The thing that is particularly strange with this is the report that we are signing him to a 2-year deal. If they think he is the future QB for the team, why would this only be a 2-year deal?


That's the thing. We've given up high draft picks for only 2 years of a guy who won't even start the first year.

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We traded a 4th rounder (equivalent to a 3rd next year) and dropped 20 spots in the second (a difference of 200 points per the value chart = to the 78th pick overall, which is a 3rd rounder). I think we overpaid considering this guy is completely unproven.


According to Sando's article we gave up approx 270 points, which he puts as a end of the Second round pick. So low 2nd to mid-3rd is the range. Looking worse case, the team gave up to 2nd round value for Charlie's rights. At this point either is steep considering, so it doesn't bode well for the FO so far. I dread what the Marshall deal will end up looking like.

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Agreed with everyone, way too much compensation, what were they thinking.


They were probably thinking that Hass sucks, and Whitehurst has the ability to be a starter. I hope they're right, at least about Whitehurst.

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Man, most of these moves look really suspect.

I really hope Carroll and Co. know what they're doing. I'm willing to give them a shot, see how this all looks on the field... But these moves are head scratchers.

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Agreed with everyone, way too much compensation, what were they thinking.


They were probably thinking that Hass sucks, and Whitehurst has the ability to be a starter. I hope they're right, at least about Whitehurst.


Fair enough. I guess we'll find out if he has the ability to be a starter or not.


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Un-proven and hes not that young... I don't get it.


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With a 2 year deal they don't think he is the future. They are taking a flyer out on him, but they aren't committing to him. They paid to much to get him. Starting to wonder if these guys know what they are doing. At this rate we will probably get trade our 6th and a pick next year for Marshall.


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The more I think about it, the more I think we've been utterly hosed.

Man, that's expensive as hell. Wow. Dropping from 40 to 60 seems huge if we were going to wait for an OT or a safety.

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The thing that is particularly strange with this is the report that we are signing him to a 2-year deal. If they think he is the future QB for the team, why would this only be a 2-year deal?


That's the thing. We've given up high draft picks for only 2 years of a guy who won't even start the first year.


Maybe it's a two-year extension to the tender he signed...making it at least a three-year deal. If not and Matt ends up starting this year, they plan on handing it over to Charlie when he has one year left....This makes no sense whatsoever.


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It is only 2 years to make sure he is as good as they think and if he is he will get a new deal. I love the trade because they are gonna trade Rob Sims for another draft choice. :3-1:


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The more I think about it, the more I think we've been utterly hosed.

Man, that's expensive as hell. Wow. Dropping from 40 to 60 seems huge if we were going to wait for an OT or a safety.

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Or a DT.

Our offseason position is getting worse all the time.

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I wonder if this could be a sign that we're looking to trade back in the 1st since apparently we've given up on getting Bradford or Clausen with the 6?

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Well.. He certainly looks the part. 27 isn't that old for a QB. I have a feeling we might be pleasantly surprised here, folks. He's big AND mobile. Great combination.

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I dread what the Marshall deal will end up looking like.


Probably six draft picks, three of our starters, a key to the city, and someone's first born.


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Look at the bright side, we'll be getting tons of trade offers.

Of course, they'll all be expecting to hose us.

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I wonder if this could be a sign that we're looking to trade back in the 1st since apparently we've given up on getting Bradford or Clausen with the 6?


Hopefully that's the case.

Could you imagine the backlash if we traded a 1st rounder for Marshall at this point? :stirthepot:


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I wonder if this could be a sign that we're looking to trade back in the 1st since apparently we've given up on getting Bradford or Clausen with the 6?


...or they are pretty sure Bradford goes 1 (Rams) and Clausen goes 4 (Redskins).


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I'm hoping this 2 year part has some how been incorrectly released, makes absolutely no sense to give that up for a 2 year contract. Hell, his first starting year with us could be his contract year.


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The more I think about it, the more I think we've been utterly hosed.

Man, that's expensive as hell. Wow. Dropping from 40 to 60 seems huge if we were going to wait for an OT or a safety.

:vomit:


Or a DT.

Our offseason position is getting worse all the time.


The advantage to this is that it relieves a lot of the pressure to take a QB this year.

I have no clue if Whitehurst is the answer. But he's a talented QB who has been well coached for several years. At least there is a shot he is our answer. I would be a lot more comfortable passing on the QBs in this draft now...

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It is only 2 years to make sure he is as good as they think and if he is he will get a new deal. I love the trade because they are gonna trade Rob Sims for another draft choice. :3-1:


They'll trade him for a 6th, book it.


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What a rip off. I'm sorry, but it is. We get a 7th for Wallace next year, a guy who while not great has actual game experience and is a decent game manager. Then we trade this much for a guy he hasn't even played a down? This team is buying high and selling low.



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Here are my general thoughts:

1) If you compare with the Seneca trade, this deal sucks. Otherwise, it really isn't that bad...especially if he turns our to be starter-caliber.
2) The two year deal is to minimize risk. I mean, what if he doesn't pan out? It won't cost that much to let him go.
3) I'd take what we paid for Whitehurst (draft picks and $$$) over what we'd have to pay for Clausen. The FO clearly wasn't sold on Clausen, yet they understand they need to find a QB, so seeing if Whitehurst can pan out is a way of doing that while minimizing overall risk.
4) If Locker or some other true elite QB is available to us in the 2011 draft, we can still take him because we aren't totally married to Whitehurst.


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On a lighter note, this is probably karma for ripping off Denver last year for their #1 so it was the Seahawks turn in the barrel with a new GM/Head coach taking over. So far seems the new tandem rates other teams assets higher than they regard the ones they have.

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I don't have anything against Whitehurst. He has above average athleticism and a good arm, though accuracy is still unproven. But I agree with a comment earlier that it seems we are selling low and buying high with every move we make. It smacks of a desperate deal to get a starting QB. Those can be great if they pan out, but the FO better be right about this one. Their tenure will be defined by this.

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Man, most of these moves look really suspect.

I really hope Carroll and Co. know what they're doing. I'm willing to give them a shot, see how this all looks on the field... But these moves are head scratchers.


Man when Snohomie starts to question moves I know we are in trouble....crap!

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Does anyone sense that the pre-draft wheeling and dealing is done for the team? Neither do I.

Those picks we just exchanged with the Chargers could be back within a day or two if not sooner via other trades and transactions we are involved in...

By trading down from #6 alone we could load up with a few real nice picks...

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40 to 60 AND a third rounder next year?!?!

What... the... hell...

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could someone help me understand how a third next year is considered like trading a 4th, or however you say it?


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He has amazing physical attributes and is a great fit for the system Jeremy Bates runs. I think this could end up being a very good move.

Giving the keys to the franchise to somebody based on physical attributes rather than he has done on the field is a big risk though. It'd be like using our first pick on Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays.

I'm happy about this overall. About time we took some risks. I got tired of our only moves being for low-ceiling guys like Deion Branch.


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Look at the bright side, we'll be getting tons of trade offers.

Of course, they'll all be expecting to hose us.

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gonzhawk wrote:
could someone help me understand how a third next year is considered like trading a 4th, or however you say it?


From what I understand, a pick this year is worth the same pick, only a round earlier next year. For example, we traded a 2nd last year to Denver for their first this year.

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