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Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:15 pm
  • So with Colin Kaepernick just signing a 6 year $126 million deal with $60 million guaranteed I think we can safely say that the market is set. Probably less than one year from now Russell Wilson will be signing his contract extension. What do you believe that contract will look like?

    My prediction: 6 years, $108 million, $72 million guaranteed. Average salary of $18 million per year.

    Reasoning: Wilson continues to say over and over that his goal is to be the best quarterback in NFL history. This is what drives him. He knows that in order to be in that conversation he's going to need multiple Super Bowl victories. You can't get that done without a solid team no matter how good a quarterback you are. I think he will take less overall money, and more guaranteed money to free up the Seahawks options and allow them to keep the core of this team together for the long term. The guaranteed money is the most important thing anyways, not the overall value of the deal.

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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:20 pm
  • A LOT
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:21 pm
  • 5 yr $105M , $75m guarenteed
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:21 pm
  • He'll make more than Kaepernick, and we'll be fine. The F.O. will want to reward him. I've said in another thread today that this front office wants to pay its homegrown talent at market value. There's value in that.

    We already have all our other key pieces locked up at this point, so what difference does it make if he get a big deal? We're obviously not losing Sherm, Earl or Kam anytime soon. Russell will break the bank, and it'll be well-deserved.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:32 pm
  • 6 year extension (+1 year left on his contract). 135 million, 68 guaranteed.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:33 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:He'll make more than Kaepernick, and we'll be fine. The F.O. will want to reward him. I've said in another thread today that this front office wants to pay its homegrown talent at market value. There's value in that.

    We already have all our other key pieces locked up at this point, so what difference does it make if he get a big deal? We're obviously not losing Sherm, Earl or Kam anytime soon. Russell will break the bank, and it'll be well-deserved.



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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:38 pm
  • With his "on field" income in addition to his "off field" income....Russ isn't going to have any issues attracting the ladies once his divorce is final. Money will be the least of his worries!
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:39 pm
  • LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:51 pm
  • Well he could be making Flacco like money, winning a SB and he's better than Flacco. IMHO. Newsome is not a bad GM, its what the market dictates with winning QBs.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:54 pm
  • It will be over $20 million a year but back loaded in case he's willing to restructure down the road to add more talent to win another Super Bowl. Wilson should get more guaranteed money than Kaepernick, maybe $65-70 million.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:03 pm
  • hawknation2014 wrote:It will be over $20 million a year but back loaded in case he's willing to restructure down the road to add more talent to win another Super Bowl. Wilson should get more guaranteed money than Kaepernick, maybe $65-70 million.


    This is about spot on.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:05 pm
  • DJrmb wrote:LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...



    Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:06 pm
  • I think his extension will be in the low twenties (very low twenties), but when you factor in the last year of his deal his overall contract will be less than $20 million per year, but he'll get more guaranteed money than Kaep....maybe in the $65-70 range
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:19 pm
  • kthebestwayw wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...



    Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team


    You can't compare Wilson to Brady. First of all, Tom Brady had already made a ton of money before re-doing his deal. Secondly, he took a bit less in exchange for a fully guaranteed deal, which is a huge risk for New England considering Brady's age. Thirdly, his wife is worth even more money than he is. With combined net worth, he's already a billionaire.

    I think you're living in a fantasy, bro. Shortchanging Wilson would also set terrible precedent for the team. We have the rest of the core locked up, and now we can afford to pay Wilson too.

    SF isn't overpaying. They are paying what other QBs in his tier are making. If you think it's crazy that they'd pay him more money than Jay Cutler, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:22 pm
  • IBleedBlueAndGreen wrote:
    My prediction: 6 years, $108 million, $72 million guaranteed. Average salary of $18 million per year.

    ....I think he will take less overall money, and more guaranteed money to free up the Seahawks options and allow them to keep the core of this team together for the long term. The guaranteed money is the most important thing anyways, not the overall value of the deal.


    Hawknballs had some great posts for how guaranteed money works vs. salary, don't know how to link the thread but I'll try and figure it out for those who are interested. Good stuff ...

    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91598&p=1307249#p1307249

    To the OP, I'd say 6 yrs, $105 million, 75 guaranteed
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:33 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:
    kthebestwayw wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...



    Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team


    You can't compare Wilson to Brady. First of all, Tom Brady had already made a ton of money before re-doing his deal. Secondly, he took a bit less in exchange for a fully guaranteed deal, which is a huge risk for New England considering Brady's age. Thirdly, his wife is worth even more money than he is. With combined net worth, he's already a billionaire.

    I think you're living in a fantasy, bro. Shortchanging Wilson would also set terrible precedent for the team. We have the rest of the core locked up, and now we can afford to pay Wilson too.

    SF isn't overpaying. They are paying what other QBs in his tier are making. If you think it's crazy that they'd pay him more money than Jay Cutler, then I don't know what to tell you.


    You never know, you never know what Wilson might want. Maybe he doesn't care about his monetary status around the league, maybe does care more about his football goals and about being the greatest there ever was.

    The fun part is at least we can have this argument about Russell Wilson, would he or wouldn't he, because he seems like the genuwine article and this team is in a great place right now. So it could be that he signs a big deal like Kaeps but the first few years of his contract will be team friendly.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:37 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:You can't compare Wilson to Brady. First of all, Tom Brady had already made a ton of money before re-doing his deal. Secondly, he took a bit less in exchange for a fully guaranteed deal, which is a huge risk for New England considering Brady's age. Thirdly, his wife is worth even more money than he is. With combined net worth, he's already a billionaire.


    Brady contracts are never a good measuring stick because of Giselle.

    The team will pay Wilson what is fair. In that, I'm confident.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:39 pm
  • kthebestwayw wrote:Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team


    This is wrong at such an incredible rate that it's hard to know where to begin.

    1. In no way is this a significant overpayment by the 49ers; certainly not by $5 mil/year. The market is what it is, and if you think that the 49ers were the only NFL team who would have been willing to give Kaep this contract, I think it's pretty obvious that you're wrong. There are a ton of teams hungry for a QB who would have given him at least this much, possibly more, in order to poach him away. I thought the Niners might get away slightly cheaper than this, as in closer to $20m/year, but that's such a small difference that it's whatever.

    The alternative is to let him walk. You need a franchise QB to sustain long-term success and be a perennial power in this league. Kaep has shown enough to be considered a franchise QB. What the Niners did here was fine, and not anywhere close to a "huge mistake."

    2. The cap is expanding in a hurry, allowing for deals like this to fit into a team's overall salary structure without crippling them. This deal will not cripple the 49ers. The deal the Seahawks give Russell next year will not cripple them either.

    3. Russell Wilson has already been playing on a WAY, WAY, WAY below market contract, as enforced by the CBA. He should absolutely cash in on his opportunity to get a big contract. Brady took a team-friendly deal after he had already played out a massive contract and made tens of millions. Russell, even when accounting for things like endorsements, could only have amassed so much so far. Football is a dangerous game; a player needs to cash in when he can. Russell should, and he will.

    4. None of us should hope that the Seahawks ever so much as attempt to lowball Wilson. Seattle has become a destination location because it is doing everything the right way: rewarding the players who have earned it. I'm happy that they've done that so far, and I sure as hell wouldn't want them to stop at Wilson. Again, with the expanding cap, they'll be able to absorb the hit of the huge contract and still field a very nice supporting cast. Of course, they have to continue to draft well, but that statement applies to everyone.

    I am confident that Seattle will pay Wilson what he's worth, and when they do, I think that it's cause for celebration, not consternation. The reaction shouldn't be, "Oh, that's going to cause salary cap problems." It should be, "Thank God, we finally have someone worthy of signing to an elite QB contract." I look forward to the day that he re-signs.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:50 pm
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    kthebestwayw wrote:Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team


    This is wrong at such an incredible rate that it's hard to know where to begin.

    1. In no way is this a significant overpayment by the 49ers; certainly not by $5 mil/year. The market is what it is, and if you think that the 49ers were the only NFL team who would have been willing to give Kaep this contract, I think it's pretty obvious that you're wrong. There are a ton of teams hungry for a QB who would have given him at least this much, possibly more, in order to poach him away. I thought the Niners might get away slightly cheaper than this, as in closer to $20m/year, but that's such a small difference that it's whatever.

    The alternative is to let him walk. You need a franchise QB to sustain long-term success and be a perennial power in this league. Kaep has shown enough to be considered a franchise QB. What the Niners did here was fine, and not anywhere close to a "huge mistake."

    2. The cap is expanding in a hurry, allowing for deals like this to fit into a team's overall salary structure without crippling them. This deal will not cripple the 49ers. The deal the Seahawks give Russell next year will not cripple them either.

    3. Russell Wilson has already been playing on a WAY, WAY, WAY below market contract, as enforced by the CBA. He should absolutely cash in on his opportunity to get a big contract. Brady took a team-friendly deal after he had already played out a massive contract and made tens of millions. Russell, even when accounting for things like endorsements, could only have amassed so much so far. Football is a dangerous game; a player needs to cash in when he can. Russell should, and he will.

    4. None of us should hope that the Seahawks ever so much as attempt to lowball Wilson. Seattle has become a destination location because it is doing everything the right way: rewarding the players who have earned it. I'm happy that they've done that so far, and I sure as hell wouldn't want them to stop at Wilson. Again, with the expanding cap, they'll be able to absorb the hit of the huge contract and still field a very nice supporting cast. Of course, they have to continue to draft well, but that statement applies to everyone.

    I am confident that Seattle will pay Wilson what he's worth, and when they do, I think that it's cause for celebration, not consternation. The reaction shouldn't be, "Oh, that's going to cause salary cap problems." It should be, "Thank God, we finally have someone worthy of signing to an elite QB contract." I look forward to the day that he re-signs.



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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:51 pm
  • Too much whatever it will be
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:05 pm
  • kthebestwayw wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...



    Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team


    You neglect to mention that Brady took this most recent extension AFTER he'd already signed a HUGE blockbuster deal making him the highest paid QB in the game at the time (18M per year in 2010). Brady had already made his money, thus affording him the ability to take less annually than he may have been able to push for. It's also fully guaranteed so while yeah it does help the team up front it's not very team friendly if he gets injured or if his play drops off in the last few years when he'll be approaching 40 years old. Comparing Brady's last extension to Russell Wilson's first is pretty Apple's to Orange's. Lets look at something a little closer in comparison.

    When Brady Signed his last big deal (when he was still considered in his prime) he signed for 4 years 18M per year and the salary cap was 120M at the time. That puts him at making 15% of the total cap space.

    The cap for 2016 when Wilson will be getting his new deal is projected to be up to around 160M, but lets take the lowest prediction I've seen of 150M cap. 15% of a 150M cap would be 22.5M per year.

    In those years that Brady was the highest paid QB in the history of the game the Patriots went to a SuperBowl, had one of the most prolific scoring years in NFL history, and went to the playoffs every single year. So how much did Brady's blockbust deal "Hurt the team"? I do not buy that argument for one second. We can pay Russell the Salary he damn well deserves AND still win!!!

    That being said, it doesn't mean Wilson is going to try and milk Seattle for everything he can. He will most certainly sign a deal that 1. is very team friendly in structure and where the money hits the heaviest and 2. Has plenty of flexibility in case changes are needed in the future.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:16 pm
  • kthebestwayw wrote:
    DJrmb wrote:LOL

    And for those that were thinking Russell Wilson was going to get around 12-16M... Go take a hike...

    Even if RW will take less it's in Seattle's best interest to at least make the numbers look very similar, if not better than Tatts...



    Sticking by my story

    He's going to pull a Brady and take a team friendly deal. How many Superbowl has Brady been in? The answer is 5. How many conference championship game has he been in? 8. That is insane.

    He wants to be the greatest of all time, and he knows he needs the tools around him. One of us will eat crow. I'm betting its not me and you all should hope its not me.

    SF is making a huge mistake. This will hamper their team. Over paying by about 5 million IMO and that's the cost of another pro bowler on your team



    He also said he wants to own an NFL franchise someday...he will need to squeeze every last penny out of his contracts that he can to even think of reaching that dream.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:24 pm
  • 6 years/129M 65M guaranteed.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:37 pm
  • Well a lot hinges on how the season goes..

    If we do not repeat:
    6 years/$132M, $66M guaranteed

    If we do repeat
    6 years/$144M, $72M guaranteed

    I'd say he's worth about 21-22M a year right now.. 24-25M a year with a 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:14 pm
  • It will be similar but way better. It will coincide with how much better he is than Kaeperchoke.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:15 pm
  • Next offseason is going to be interesting for QB signings. Luck, Griffin, Wilson, Foles & Tannehill will all be eligible for renegotions.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:16 pm
  • They paid Lynch a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Red Bryant a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Unger a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Chancellor a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Sherman a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Thomas a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Baldwin a little bit more than I thought they would.

    Wilson? I'm thinking $21 million per year with a record number for guaranteed money. But it will probably be a little more than that. JS is one generous dude.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:36 pm
  • IMHO whatever deal he gets will be good for RW and smart for the Seahawks.
    The team is developing a track record of doing the right thing. I don't see them going off track on his deal.
    That being said I've been flipping through the sports channels, the big question is....
    Have the 9ers jumped the gun on Kap's deal?
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:36 pm
  • No slight on Kaep but if Kaep got 6 yr, $126M then Russell Wilson's deal will be higher than that. He has produced more than Kaep has. I think he's going to be in the 6 yr $130-140M range. Remember he has a SB ring under his belt, something Kaep doesn't at this point in time.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:43 pm
  • No need for a big contract. Russ wants to be an NFL owner someday...maybe Allen can just cut him in on a deal when he's ready to depart this earth.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:44 pm
  • 1 billion dollars!
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:19 pm
  • kearly wrote:They paid Lynch a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Red Bryant a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Unger a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Chancellor a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Sherman a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Thomas a little bit more than I thought they would.

    They paid Baldwin a little bit more than I thought they would.

    Wilson? I'm thinking $21 million per year with a record number for guaranteed money. But it will probably be a little more than that. JS is one generous dude.


    Kam Chancellor: 4 yrs/ $28 million, $7 million APY, $7.8 million guaranteed.

    That's a bargain for the best SS in the game.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:25 pm
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    Kam Chancellor: 4 yrs/ $28 million, $7 million APY, $7.8 million guaranteed.

    That's a bargain for the best SS in the game.

    Kam was way better in 2013 than he was in 2012, the year he got paid.

    If Kam got paid this year, his contract would be more than 4/28
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:28 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:Next offseason is going to be interesting for QB signings. Luck, Griffin, Wilson, Foles & Tannehill will all be eligible for renegotions.


    So is Newton with the highest ceiling of them all, he'll be on the 5th year option next year but the renegotiation will be in full force.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:36 pm
  • Not going to predict what he'll get, that seems pointless.

    However I will say that when you factor in whatever the cap increase next year is, I'm going to predict it will be proportionately much more cap friendly than kaep's deal.

    RW isn't going to screw himself out of a huge payday but neither do I think he misunderstands that he can't bet he greatest QB ever if he doesn't have a great team around him. Very few athletes blatantly come out and say "I don't want to be great, I want to be the best of all time" before they are already well on their way.

    Until he proves otherwise I'll take RW at his "too good to be true" face value and say his deal will be easier on the team.

    A lot of people in RW's shoes would have taken the baseball millions and run when they had the chance, but this guy wanted to play football, and I think he wants to play at the highest level. That means making sure he has the right guys around him. He's smart enough to know he's going to have more money than he knows what to do with either way.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:11 pm
  • Wilson will not take less than market value. He would be an idiot to do that, which he is not. Will he leave some wiggle room, of course, at the end of the contract.
    The reality of the situation is that he has a SB ring (We all owe a debt of gratitude to the entire 2014 team for this) and Kap doesn't so he is worth more per year and guarantied money. RW still hasn't proven he can carry a team like Tom B has, but it is what it is. QB's get the big bucks and the GM / HC gamble (stake) their reputation and carrier on finding "the guy".
    It's easy to commit to Joe Montana 20 years later, or better yet Steve Young and punting Montana after the fact. This is where you put all the eggs in one basket and say "yea, he's my guy" and gamble the next 5-10 years of the franchise's future. PC / JS haven't had to do that yet, they have been dipping their toes in the water but next offseason is when they need to take the dive ( commitment) or go another route.

    I wont be happy with an alternate route, RW deserves more money per year and more guarantied money than Kap. Yes it will hurt even with a larger salary cap to work with.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:13 pm
  • 6/118, 74M guaranteed

    Could just be me, but they are going for more guaranteed, slightly less overall earning value out of the last couple contracts. I tried to guess how that might look for Wilson.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:04 pm
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:
    hawknation2014 wrote:
    Kam Chancellor: 4 yrs/ $28 million, $7 million APY, $7.8 million guaranteed.

    That's a bargain for the best SS in the game.

    Kam was way better in 2013 than he was in 2012, the year he got paid.

    If Kam got paid this year, his contract would be more than 4/28


    Yeah, this. I questioned how much we gave Kam at the time. In hindsight it was a great deal.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:07 pm
  • hawknation2014 wrote:It will be over $20 million a year but back loaded in case he's willing to restructure down the road to add more talent to win another Super Bowl. Wilson should get more guaranteed money than Kaepernick, maybe $65-70 million.

    :13: :179422: :13:
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:39 pm
  • $133.5 --$77 guaranteed, and worth every penny.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:51 pm
  • I like round numbers so,

    6 years, $120 million, $50 guaranteed.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:06 pm
  • Apparently, Kaepernick's base deal is $110 million over six years, $18.3 million APY, with a $12 million signing bonus.

    Then he has $16 million worth of incentives for accomplishing things like winning a Super Bowl, which we know he's never going to do. :49ersmall:
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:11 pm
  • 8 year extension, $175M, $65M guaranteed. Large signing bonus with increasing base each each. Works well for the cap now and into the future.

    It's too much money but settles the QB position for a long time and in the near future will be considered a bargain contract if he stays healthy.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:54 pm
  • Russell's next contract = A LOT OF MONEY!
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:10 pm
  • No matter what it is, my reaction will still be "holy hell"
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:23 pm
  • I just hope they pay him enough to be able to afford platform shoes. I'm tired of having a QB not tall enough to play in the league.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:39 pm
  • Meeker wrote:

    He also said he wants to own an NFL franchise someday...he will need to squeeze every last penny out of his contracts that he can to even think of reaching that dream.


    One needs to be a multi-billionaire to own a team. The difference between making 22mil and 16mil per year as as a QB has no impact on that. RWvmay want to own a team someday, but a QB salary won't be nearly enough to do it, so I doubt that goal would have much impact on negotiating a QB salary.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:03 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:
    You can't compare Wilson to Brady. First of all, Tom Brady had already made a ton of money before re-doing his deal. Secondly, he took a bit less in exchange for a fully guaranteed deal, which is a huge risk for New England considering Brady's age. Thirdly, his wife is worth even more money than he is. With combined net worth, he's already a billionaire.

    I think you're living in a fantasy, bro. Shortchanging Wilson would also set terrible precedent for the team. We have the rest of the core locked up, and now we can afford to pay Wilson too.

    SF isn't overpaying. They are paying what other QBs in his tier are making. If you think it's crazy that they'd pay him more money than Jay Cutler, then I don't know what to tell you.


    We won't know if SF is overpaying or mot until we see the results. Their measure for success isn't merely being a consistent contender, but is to win a Super Bowl. They're paying Kaep elite money to achieve that. If they don't achieve their threshold of success, then they arguably overpaid, by their own measuring stick.

    I don't get the insistence on using Jay Cutler as a benchmark on what QBs must be paid. If anything, Cutler, Romo, Bradford, and the like should serve as cautionary tales, as warnings against paying mon-elite players elite money just because they are "franchise" QBs. "Franchise QB" is not equivalent to "elite QB", it just denotes a QB that a franchise has decided to go with as the starting QB for the foreseeable future. But people insist on equating the terms "franchise QB" and "elite QB", then pay non-elite QBs elite money, and wreck their salary structure and team in the process.

    Those of you calling for paying RW elite-QB money are on solid ground only if you believe he is an elite QB. If you're instead calling for it just because, "Well, that's the market for 'franchise QBs', be they elite or not", then you are on shaky ground and are falling into the same trap as Dallas, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, et al, of paying a non-elite franchise QB elite-QB money.

    Two last thoughts:
    1. The reason QB salaries have become so gargantuan is because it became conventional wisdom that "This as a passing league, a QB-driven league, so you MUST have a franchise QB passing for 350 yards per game to win, so money is no object when it comes to that position, even if it necessitates gambling on a guy to become elite when he's yet to demonstrate such ability.". That conventional wisdom has proven to be false on multiple occasions.

    2. No team with a QB making elite-QB money has ever won a Super Bowl. The pattern has been: win a Super Bowl, then pay your QB elite-QB money, then never win another Super Bowl. That's the most successful pattern. The worse pattern has been: pay your QB elite-QB money before ever winning a SB, then never win a SB. If that pattern holds, then Seattle, Indy, and Wash have a one-year window to win a(nother) SB, because after next year, their QBs will all be making elite money, which history has shown is not the way to win a Super Bowl. Those teams will be hoping that the pattern doesn't hold. But if it does, then maybe in a few years, when the QB salary playing field has been leveled such that every good team is allocating 20+ mil to the QB position, so they're are no good teams with the advantage of a lower salaried QB allowing them to have a more well-rounded team (like the 2013 Seahawks), then Seattle, Indy, Washington, and Carolina can win SBs again.
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Re: Predict Russell Wilson's Contract
Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:42 am
  • The thing everyone seems to forget is that the players association has to approve the contract. Remember Brady tried to take less and the PA denied the contract. Wilson will have to get fair market value or they will not allow the contract to be ratified. However, Guaranteed money allows contracts to be lower in overall money. If you go through Flacco's contract it is very Cap friendly for the first 3 years and then gets Big in 2016 28 million big. That is he will basically receive 62 million first three years and have Cap figures of 6.8,14.8,14.55. Expect his contract to be even more heavily front loaded and team friendly in the later years. We are also leaving out signing bonuses so it could go cheaper.
    So 7/145, 75 Guaranteed 35 signing bonus with high first 3 year salaries, If say his cap number was 27, 20, 18, . In the front end his remaining years would be, 15, 12, 10, 8. Depending on bonus and guarantee structure, I believe that could get it done. And when he is hitting the Cap hard is when no one else In the core, as of now, is needing large space.

    Although if the salary cap goes bananas like to 150+ then a heavy first year hit on the Cap would be brilliant and then reasonable the remaining years. so like 30, 18, 15,13, 12, 12, 10. Anyway, now that I am done thinking and speculating at your expense.
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