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    Wow is all I have to say. Last time I checked pick routes are not legal. Knocking down the blocking receiver is the only way to get that call. Kam, KJ and Wagner need to lay the wood in the first quarter so that both the refs and the Donkey receivers understand that isn't going to be allowed on Sunday. Would love to see Welker try what he did against the Pats against Kam...Would look a lot like this http://thenewsportsguru.com/nfl/you-got ... on-browner
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  • The ONLY thing that made welkers hit on talib legal was that it happened RIGHT when he ball got there, if he gets there much earlier, it's a penalty
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  • I know this Bronc fan who swears still to this day the Kam hit on Vernon Davis was dirty. :/
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  • irocdave wrote:http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?229300-What!-the-Seahawks-want-to-hit-receivers-if-they-run-crossing-routes

    Wow is all I have to say. Last time I checked pick routes are not legal. Knocking down the blocking receiver is the only way to get that call. Kam, KJ and Wagner need to lay the wood in the first quarter so that both the refs and the Donkey receivers understand that isn't going to be allowed on Sunday. Would love to see Welker try what he did against the Pats against Kam...Would look a lot like this http://thenewsportsguru.com/nfl/you-got ... on-browner
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    irocdave wrote:http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?229300-What!-the-Seahawks-want-to-hit-receivers-if-they-run-crossing-routes

    Wow is all I have to say. Last time I checked pick routes are not legal. Knocking down the blocking receiver is the only way to get that call. Kam, KJ and Wagner need to lay the wood in the first quarter so that both the refs and the Donkey receivers understand that isn't going to be allowed on Sunday. Would love to see Welker try what he did against the Pats against Kam...Would look a lot like this http://thenewsportsguru.com/nfl/you-got ... on-browner
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    Legal-illegal....won't matter much when your boys are getting blown up. That will be the desired effect.
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    irocdave wrote:http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?229300-What!-the-Seahawks-want-to-hit-receivers-if-they-run-crossing-routes

    Wow is all I have to say. Last time I checked pick routes are not legal. Knocking down the blocking receiver is the only way to get that call. Kam, KJ and Wagner need to lay the wood in the first quarter so that both the refs and the Donkey receivers understand that isn't going to be allowed on Sunday. Would love to see Welker try what he did against the Pats against Kam...Would look a lot like this http://thenewsportsguru.com/nfl/you-got ... on-browner
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    Don't be obtuse. If the ball is in the air, it is OPI. If it isn't, it's a legal play. I don't think we need a tutorial on what a pick or rub is.

    I sincerely hope Seattle devastates a couple of these. That tends to lead to short arms a bit later. When Welker got blown up by Browner last year, his little alligator arms helped Seattle get a crucial interception later in the game.
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  • LOL, those guys think the Donk receivers can just run around and not get dealt with accordingly. Take a look at Browners hit on Welker, look at how quick BB recognized the cross, left his man on the sideline and stepped into Welker to lower the boom! I expect Maxwell and Sherm as well as KJ and Wags to repeat that scenario as many times as it takes for the Donks to realize their on the field with a real Defense!
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  • lmao, they are calling the LBs dirty but not welker for that blindside block.
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  • Actually if the offensive player is more than one yard downfield, and the ball is behind the LOS, he is NOT allowed to block a defensive player. If the ball is in the air it's (as already has been said) OPI. Pick plays are only quasi legal, and they are 'legal' if you can get the two defensive players to interfere with each other. If you check the Blandino film again, he states that it was "bang-bang" between Welker's hit and the ball arriving, and that's why it wasn't OPI.

    However, I don't care. If the Broncos want to run pick routes, then be prepared to pay the price in the middle of the fields. If you don't want the lumber being laid on your receivers in the middle of the field, don't run picks and rubs. It's really that simple.
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  • They will realize soon enough that the middle of the field will be no pass go and no 200.00 dollars. We will force Peyton to play big boy football and throw OUTSIDE the hashes. If he plans to win he will have to drive it outside or the seam deep.
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  • Polaris wrote:Actually if the offensive player is more than one yard downfield, and the ball is behind the LOS, he is NOT allowed to block a defensive player. If the ball is in the air it's (as already has been said) OPI. Pick plays are only quasi legal, and they are 'legal' if you can get the two defensive players to interfere with each other. If you check the Blandino film again, he states that it was "bang-bang" between Welker's hit and the ball arriving, and that's why it wasn't OPI.

    However, I don't care. If the Broncos want to run pick routes, then be prepared to pay the price in the middle of the fields. If you don't want the lumber being laid on your receivers in the middle of the field, don't run picks and rubs. It's really that simple.


    Well as long as the Seahawk D continues to rape receivers and hold them for 45 seconds at a time, you should be in good shape regardless.
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  • I chimed in over there with some enlightenment for them. 8)
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  • Breaker wrote:
    Polaris wrote:Actually if the offensive player is more than one yard downfield, and the ball is behind the LOS, he is NOT allowed to block a defensive player. If the ball is in the air it's (as already has been said) OPI. Pick plays are only quasi legal, and they are 'legal' if you can get the two defensive players to interfere with each other. If you check the Blandino film again, he states that it was "bang-bang" between Welker's hit and the ball arriving, and that's why it wasn't OPI.

    However, I don't care. If the Broncos want to run pick routes, then be prepared to pay the price in the middle of the fields. If you don't want the lumber being laid on your receivers in the middle of the field, don't run picks and rubs. It's really that simple.


    Well as long as the Seahawk D continues to rape receivers and hold them for 45 seconds at a time, you should be in good shape regardless.


    Actually if you bother to watch Seattle film, Seattle while being very physical, also tends to press which means most of the contact is within five yards. This is LEGAL.

    Instead you'll see a lot of excellent coverage and bump-and-run....and bump and run IS LEGAL. I don't say so. The NFL has said so. A DB is allowed to put his hands on a receiver. That is NOT DPI.....contrary to popular rumor.
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  • Breaker wrote:Well as long as the Seahawk D continues to rape receivers and hold them for 45 seconds at a time, you should be in good shape regardless.


    You need some education, son. Read the NFL rule book: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

    If you care to actually read it, you will find that DBs are allowed to do more than you think. They can swipe, paw, and otherwise harass receivers running routes - PAST FIVE YARDS - as long as they don't impede the progress of the receiver or restrict their arm movements/ability to catch the ball, and even the latter part is alright at the discretion of the officials if they think the DB was merely going for the ball and not trying to block the receiver from catching it.

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  • RolandDeschain wrote:You need some education, son. Read the NFL rule book: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

    If you care to actually read it, you will find that DBs are allowed to do more than you think. They can swipe, paw, and otherwise harass receivers running routes - PAST FIVE YARDS - as long as they don't impede the progress of the receiver or restrict their arm movements/ability to catch the ball, and even the latter part is alright at the discretion of the officials if they think the DB was merely going for the ball and not trying to block the receiver from catching it.


    This is what I meant by the overall term "bump and run" but thanks for being very clear about it and citing it.
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  • Few more Bronco forum gems...

    "to be honest I NEVER really heard of the name Sherman until his little escapade , and I have watched several SeaHawks games this year.. so I have been confused when they keep saying how good this guy is..."

    "I came over with Peyton and EVEN I knew who the champ was ....... this Sherman guy I can HONESTLY SAY that I NEVER heard of him before all this mouth stuff..."

    "I have watched several about 5 SeaHawk games this year and picked em in the football picks and either he had a bad game or didn't show up cause I cant speak on something the announcers never said and Sherman WAS NOT mentioned... has nothing to do with orange colored glasses....just like the NFC game he made one lucky play at the end of the game could have went either way by inches"


    Albeit, this came from the same person (chrissy rules), but my goodness....
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  • brendonkuhn wrote:Few more Bronco forum gems...

    "to be honest I NEVER really heard of the name Sherman until his little escapade , and I have watched several SeaHawks games this year.. so I have been confused when they keep saying how good this guy is..."

    "I came over with Peyton and EVEN I knew who the champ was ....... this Sherman guy I can HONESTLY SAY that I NEVER heard of him before all this mouth stuff..."

    "I have watched several about 5 SeaHawk games this year and picked em in the football picks and either he had a bad game or didn't show up cause I cant speak on something the announcers never said and Sherman WAS NOT mentioned... has nothing to do with orange colored glasses....just like the NFC game he made one lucky play at the end of the game could have went either way by inches"


    Albeit, this came from the same person (chrissy rules), but my goodness....


    A real football fan would know that a great corner is one that you almost never hear from during the game....because he's so good the QB is terrified to throw it to him and so completely shuts down his part of the field.

    Indeed that's where the term shutdown corner comes from. If you hear a corner's name called and it's not a pick, it usually means he made a mistake on a big passing play.

    I assure you that NFL players as a whole knew all about Sherman #25 for quite a while now.....
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  • Another thing people don't realize is that once the QB leaves the pocket, receivers are now "blockers" even if the ball gets thrown. A LOT more contact is allowed as long as the ball isn't in the air. It won't play into this game, but still...I think that ignorance of this rule is why a lot of people think Seattle gets away with things.

    Also...please PLEASE let the broncos try to get physical with our defense.
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  • I think you can beat a finesse team like the Broncos up. I'm fine with them blowing guys up a couple times. As long as the refs don't throw a flag every time Decker calls for one (read: every time he fails to catch a football), I really feel that they can demoralize these WRs with physical, LEGAL play.
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  • brendonkuhn wrote:Few more Bronco forum gems...

    "to be honest I NEVER really heard of the name Sherman until his little escapade , and I have watched several SeaHawks games this year.. so I have been confused when they keep saying how good this guy is..."

    "I came over with Peyton and EVEN I knew who the champ was ....... this Sherman guy I can HONESTLY SAY that I NEVER heard of him before all this mouth stuff..."

    "I have watched several about 5 SeaHawk games this year and picked em in the football picks and either he had a bad game or didn't show up cause I cant speak on something the announcers never said and Sherman WAS NOT mentioned... has nothing to do with orange colored glasses....just like the NFC game he made one lucky play at the end of the game could have went either way by inches"


    Albeit, this came from the same person (chrissy rules), but my goodness....

    My brain it hurts BAD....boss. Seriously they have no concept of what a shutdown CB does, really?
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  • MizzouHawkGal wrote:
    brendonkuhn wrote:Few more Bronco forum gems...

    "to be honest I NEVER really heard of the name Sherman until his little escapade , and I have watched several SeaHawks games this year.. so I have been confused when they keep saying how good this guy is..."

    "I came over with Peyton and EVEN I knew who the champ was ....... this Sherman guy I can HONESTLY SAY that I NEVER heard of him before all this mouth stuff..."

    "I have watched several about 5 SeaHawk games this year and picked em in the football picks and either he had a bad game or didn't show up cause I cant speak on something the announcers never said and Sherman WAS NOT mentioned... has nothing to do with orange colored glasses....just like the NFC game he made one lucky play at the end of the game could have went either way by inches"


    Albeit, this came from the same person (chrissy rules), but my goodness....

    My brain it hurts BAD....boss. Seriously they have no concept of what a shutdown CB does, really?


    In defense of their fan base, it was just one person making all those posts. It drove me to sign up and respond haha.
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  • Rub routes are legal, pick routes toe the line. Rub routes take more skill and timing, pick routes take timing. You'll never get flagged for a rub route, but you will get penalized for a pick route. The Air Raid offense in college is all about rub routes.

    Denver's pick routes are clever and well designed, but they are also bordering on illegal. Just as the Seahawks border on illegal with their physical play in the back half.
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  • Going across the middle against the Seahawks will have consequences. Just ask Vernon Davis. Nothing wrong with a little "you hit us we hit you"
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:Going across the middle against the Seahawks will have consequences. Just ask Vernon Davis. Nothing wrong with a little "you hit us we hit you"


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  • Funny how Sherman hasn't made a play, but he led the league in picks.
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  • Well they are right about one thing over there. It is going to be a "Hard Hitting Dog Fight" The only problem is that it wont be their Defense doing it!
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  • Starrman44 wrote:Funny how Sherman hasn't made a play, but he led the league in picks.


    Not only that, but Sherman led the NFL in INTs even though he was thrown at the least number of times for a player with his amount of snaps.
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  • brendonkuhn wrote:
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    brendonkuhn wrote:Few more Bronco forum gems...

    "to be honest I NEVER really heard of the name Sherman until his little escapade , and I have watched several SeaHawks games this year.. so I have been confused when they keep saying how good this guy is..."

    "I came over with Peyton and EVEN I knew who the champ was ....... this Sherman guy I can HONESTLY SAY that I NEVER heard of him before all this mouth stuff..."

    "I have watched several about 5 SeaHawk games this year and picked em in the football picks and eithery he had a bad game or didn't show up cause I cant speak on something the announcers never said and Sherman WAS NOT mentioned... has nothing to do with orange colored glasses....just like the NFC game he made one lucky play at the end of the game could have went either way by inches"


    Albeit, this came from the same person (chrissy rules), but my goodness....

    My brain it hurts BAD....boss. Seriously they have no concept of what a shutdown CB does, really?


    In defense of their fan base, it was just one person making all those posts. It drove me to sign up and respond haha.

    You obviously have far more patience then myself but don't they understand passing it 5 yards will only get you 5 yards? Given we don't give YAC and actually tackle people? Or that the middle is OURS? Or that our base is an 8 man front to force you to pass outside the hashes or drive it down the field for Earl? And don't blitz? Confused I am. Boss.:)
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  • djb28 wrote:Well they are right about one thing over there. It is going to be a "Hard Hitting Dog Fight" The only problem is that it wont be their Defense doing it!


    New Orleans also thought they could 'prove their manhood' and get into a "Hard Hitting Dog Fight" with Seattle too during the Divisional Round.

    We know how that worked out.
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    Starrman44 wrote:Funny how Sherman hasn't made a play, but he led the league in picks.


    Not only that, but Sherman led the NFL in INTs even though he was thrown at the least number of times for a player with his amount of snaps.


    Exactly, I'm just making the short argument. You can even get into times targeted, passes defended, and the other tip play that got ET a pick. The fact that he has had the presence of mind to do it twice in a relatively short time span is nothing short of awesome.

    I mean, I acknowledge the excellence of Manning and the complete physical package that #88 possesses, but sometimes it seems other fans don't want to acknowledge Sherm. They must just dislike him.
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  • Oh yeah methinks Maxwell is PISSED. Second best cornerback in the NFL yet everyone is expecting Peyton to target him, seriously? With that arm? C'mon man! Denver's only realistic chance to win is to get their running game going.
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  • seahawk2k wrote:Rub routes are legal, pick routes toe the line. Rub routes take more skill and timing, pick routes take timing. You'll never get flagged for a rub route, but you will get penalized for a pick route. The Air Raid offense in college is all about rub routes.

    Denver's pick routes are clever and well designed, but they are also bordering on illegal. Just as the Seahawks border on illegal with their physical play in the back half.


    The seahawks do nothing anymore illegal than any other secondary in the league. In fact combined defensive pass interference plus defensive holding, Denver has just one less called over the entire season. This is a meme that's been created about the seahawks in the media. If you haven't noticed, things don't necessarily need to be true in order for the media to talk about it as though it is true beyond question.
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  • The Broncos WRs are pretty big.if their numbers are right, most are big as if not bigger than Kam. Not saying they can't be more physical. But I don't know if we'll see much man handling.
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  • Shadyhawk182 wrote:The Broncos WRs are pretty big.if their numbers are right, most are big as if not bigger than Kam. Not saying they can't be more physical. But I don't know if we'll see much man handling.


    I'm predicting a lot of BIG hits in this game. Just what we want to see.....more time for commercials! :roll:
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  • Like most finesse teams, Denver will make a bit of a show of trying to act big and strong for a while. Then they will beg for flags. Then their arms will get short. After which they will lose.
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  • Honestly I'd LOOOOVE to see Bruce, Bobby, KJ, or Kam lay the smack down on any of their receivers trying to set picks.
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  • Shadyhawk182 wrote:The Broncos WRs are pretty big.if their numbers are right, most are big as if not bigger than Kam. Not saying they can't be more physical. But I don't know if we'll see much man handling.

    Problem is they are SOFT despite their size. Remember Denver's offense is all about timing unlike ours. Which means you never want to get into a scrum because it will mess Peyton up.
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  • Bigger WR trying to focus on the ball, big defensive back focusing on delivering as much force to the receiver as possible and hope to dislodge the ball. It's gonna hurt a lot.

    Also a bigger guy is also a bigger traget, smaller quick guys can get taken down easier but also have the ability to not get hit solid. Vernon Davis size guys don't instinctivley twist or turn to limit impact, they are used to being a guy that feels they can take a hit and it takes more then one guy to bring them down.
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  • I figure if San Diego pulled off our basic game in Denver and killed them why can't we with better players across the board? Very few in the media understand we will have 7-8 in box as opposed to the 5-6 man fronts Peyton always faces because we are 1 of 3 teams that get real pressure with 4 guys. Hence please do the short game, please?
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  • Its not about size.. does anything think Eric Decker is a physical receiver? I assume his measurables make him bigger than , for example, Anquon Boldin, but Boldin is what a physical WR is like. I dont think any of the Bronco WRs qualify.

    I really dont want to sound cocky, but the Broncos sort of seem tailor made for the Seahawks. Throw to set up the run, by a all time great QB whose only weakness plays into our strengths: he will throw some floaters and ducks..
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  • Shadyhawk182 wrote:The Broncos WRs are pretty big.if their numbers are right, most are big as if not bigger than Kam. Not saying they can't be more physical. But I don't know if we'll see much man handling.

    Problem is they are SOFT despite their size. Remember Denver's offense is all about timing unlike ours. Which means you never want to get into a scrum because it will mess Peyton up.
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  • MizzouHawkGal wrote:
    Shadyhawk182 wrote:The Broncos WRs are pretty big.if their numbers are right, most are big as if not bigger than Kam. Not saying they can't be more physical. But I don't know if we'll see much man handling.

    Problem is they are SOFT despite their size. Remember Denver's offense is all about timing unlike ours. Which means you never want to get into a scrum because it will mess Peyton up.


    Yup! Jimmy Grahm was supposedly a 'big, physical' tight end as was Colston at WR. We all saw how that turned out. Small, shifty guys give our D the biggest challenge. That's why it's important to rock Welker early an often.
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  • HawKnPeppa wrote:Small, shifty guys give our D the biggest challenge. That's why it's important to rock Welker early an often.

    To be honest, with our improved linebacker coverage and Maxwell instead of Browner, I'm not sure this is true anymore. I will be VERY curious to see how well we handle Welker.
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  • Don't discount Thurmond given he will be covering Welker and he's a bit better then Trufant....
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  • Fascinating how we lose a Pro Bowl corner (Browner) and the team overall is even better... gotta love that depth.
    I will miss the prospect of Browner blowing up Welker again.
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