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Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:28 pm
  • Our record the last two years without him is 6-1.
    Maxwell in his absence has tgree picks un last two games. When he returned last year we were sluggish in first half vs washington and then again vs atlanta. Its not solely his play, but the team seems to play with a lot more emotion with guys like maxwell, Thurmond and lane. They have done a fine job in his absence. Just seems like to me they are better in man to man coverage.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:44 pm
  • No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:55 pm
  • I agree that Browner should not start. Maxwell has outplayed him this year and deserves to keep the job, IMO.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:57 pm
  • The NFL headquarters may make this a "mute point"!
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:59 pm
  • I imagine there's a good chance BB doesn't return. If he does it's all gravy. I've already said this same thing a couple times and I've maintained that BMax is one of the best man cover DBs on the team. Remember that he was ahead of Sherman on the depth chart a couple years ago. His problem was his tight hams and he has seemed to resolve it. I love BBs run defense and overall toughness but wouldn't be surprised if PC were to go with the hot corner. BMax is confident and so is the defense with him. Lane is looking really sweet out there too but so was Walter. It's a great problem to have.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:03 pm
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:04 pm
  • Bigpumpkin wrote:The NFL headquarters may make this a "mute point"!


    Mute, Moot, whatever...

    Whomever is the better player should start. It doesn't matter to me that Browner lost his position due to injury, if he loses it, or Maxwell has some picks lately. The better player should start. The question of who is the better player, on the other hand, is tough. I seriously don't know. I think Browner is better in general, but Maxwell may have the edge due to coverage. Of course Thurmond may be the best cover guy of them all.

    Such a tough call. I think Pete should do the smart thing which is rotate them and see which one is the most effective and stick with that player. Or play them depending on situation. They are so close, it may be the best decision. In my opinion Thurmond is the best, because he is the best cover guy.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:43 am
  • plyka wrote:
    Bigpumpkin wrote:The NFL headquarters may make this a "mute point"!


    Mute, Moot, whatever...

    Whomever is the better player should start. It doesn't matter to me that Browner lost his position due to injury, if he loses it, or Maxwell has some picks lately. The better player should start. The question of who is the better player, on the other hand, is tough. I seriously don't know. I think Browner is better in general, but Maxwell may have the edge due to coverage. Of course Thurmond may be the best cover guy of them all.

    Such a tough call. I think Pete should do the smart thing which is rotate them and see which one is the most effective and stick with that player. Or play them depending on situation. They are so close, it may be the best decision. In my opinion Thurmond is the best, because he is the best cover guy.

    Yeah, I have to agree with you on the "Rotation" idea.
    I'm thinking that if Browner had been there last week, the Whiners wouldn't have had the balls to try and use Receivers to attempt taking Earl Thomas out of several plays, because they would have had to keep a wary eye out for Browner.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:48 am
  • Donn2390 wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


    You're right, Matt Flynn should have stayed the starter.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:52 am
  • We have excellent depth with a rotation. It doesn't matter who starts. We have 5 CB's who could start on any team in this league, they're all worthy of the Pro Bowl, and one who's in the process of redefining the position a la Deion Sanders. Whether Browner, Thurm, Max or Lane get the start I have the confidence that we will compete at the highest level.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:24 am
  • All the corners are studs. ALL OF THEM! You can't say that B.B. hasn't made numerous strips and picks with man strength against boys. I say we keep him for a couple more years. We'll be able to keep him for cheap because he's a screw up. Alternate him and Maxi on the outside and let Lane come in and be the nickel ALWAYS! Lane is very very very good in the extra DB package. Thurmond, if he were to stay healthy and lay off the pipe, I feel could probably be not as good, but right up there with Sherm for shutdown corner skills. I say send him on his way. Let him get some money with some other team. I bet he misses 4 to 6 weeks a year average for the remainder of his career, most of that coming in the last part of the season, playoffs.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:11 am
  • Donn2390 wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


    Why?
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:13 am
  • If they guy that takes your place is playing BETTER, then he should stay the starter.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:17 am
  • Browners uncle goes to the Backstage in Culver City. I spent a bunch of time talking to him and he said he thought he has a good shot of playing this week, and that they think the NFL will drop the suspension.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:42 am
  • If Browner could return next week or the week after I'd say "OK, bring him back for the playoffs", but it's difficult to remove a guy who has been playing well for a guy with a bit of rust coming back.

    For all those saying you should never lose your starting job to injury - how do you think Sherman got in there? He got in due to injury and outplayed the starter. I don't quite think Maxwell is playing better than Browner's best yet, but when Browner comes back it's unlikely he'll BE at his best.

    Furthermore, for all those saying we looked sluggish when Browner came back - the TEAM looked sluggish, Browner looked fine - remember that was a PED suspension, not an injury, so it's not like he wasn't able to keep in tip top condition, if anything he was probably better conditioned than the rest of the team as he was able to rest up for a few weeks and lose any niggling injuries
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:48 am
  • At the risk of appealing to authority...

    This is Pete's call and I trust him. If he thinks the match up favors Browner, start him.

    Just think back to all the times you thought Pete might have chosen a starter wrong. Hasselbeck vs the Saints. B.b.b.but Charlie just won a game and Hass has been stinking???

    Starting a rookie over Flynn? Is Pete daft?

    Last year, when Browner got back from suspension, there was some rust his first couple of quarters, and we won four games without him. But he straight up dominated the 2nd half vs the Skins, and was good at the Falcons too.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:01 am
  • Yea, if Browner comes back, I see Pete playing Maxwell the 1st half and rotating Browner in the 2nd half.

    I can also see Browner playing the entire 2nd half of the Rams game.

    If we can keep Maxwell, Lane and hopefully Thurmond (this suspension should lower his market value...the 3rd strike is a year and not a lot of teams have the depth we do to weather that), I see nothing wrong with bringing Browner back for a 2 year contract and letting the guys slug it out in TC.

    Browner is currently the best CB in the league vs. the run and also is damned good against the screen pass. Anyone remember the stat the threw out there before the Saints game, about us being the best against the screen pass in the NFL ? BB is a big part of that.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:08 am
  • Donn2390 wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


    funny! :D (At least I hope this was a joke.)
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:29 am
  • OVERREACTION MONDAY ?

    LOL

    I for one want Browner back , and in the starting line up. He is a freaking BALLER man. I know others feel the same , even though we may be out numbered.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:32 am
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:54 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:At the risk of appealing to authority...

    This is Pete's call and I trust him. If he thinks the match up favors Browner, start him.

    Just think back to all the times you thought Pete might have chosen a starter wrong. Hasselbeck vs the Saints. B.b.b.but Charlie just won a game and Hass has been stinking???

    Starting a rookie over Flynn? Is Pete daft?

    Last year, when Browner got back from suspension, there was some rust his first couple of quarters, and we won four games without him. But he straight up dominated the 2nd half vs the Skins, and was good at the Falcons too.


    This... The coaching staff will hopefully look at the matchups and put the best guy out there. I'm ok with either one of them being out there, but i do worry that Browner will not be 100%, groin tears are nasty..
    I just want to see Thurmond back even though lane played a great game, could really care less about Browner at this point
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:36 am
  • Hawks46 wrote:Yea, if Browner comes back, I see Pete playing Maxwell the 1st half and rotating Browner in the 2nd half.

    I can also see Browner playing the entire 2nd half of the Rams game.

    If we can keep Maxwell, Lane and hopefully Thurmond (this suspension should lower his market value...the 3rd strike is a year and not a lot of teams have the depth we do to weather that), I see nothing wrong with bringing Browner back for a 2 year contract and letting the guys slug it out in TC.

    Browner is currently the best CB in the league vs. the run and also is damned good against the screen pass. Anyone remember the stat the threw out there before the Saints game, about us being the best against the screen pass in the NFL ? BB is a big part of that.


    Seconded. Screen passes are a sneaky way that great passing teams increase the value of their passing game. It's a hidden strength of this team that the staff knows this and gears the team to shut it down. We got gashed by 2 or 3 screens yesterday that we normally shut down. I like Browner in for reducing those cheap yards opportunities. I hope KJ returns sooner than later, too.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:49 am
  • I doubt Browner would return and start right away anyway but he definitely needs to be in the rotation with a chance to eventually return to starter status. I would love to see Browner vs Boldin. I am not sure Boldin makes the statement about "Fake tough guys" in regards to Browner, who has the same type of edge to him that Boldin does.

    Maxwell and Lane are fine but Browner and Thurmond are pretty good. What a nice problem to have if everything works out. I do think Browner is gone after the season but he deserves to be a big part of what ever this run is that's coming up.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:52 am
  • Bigpumpkin wrote:The NFL headquarters may make this a "mute point"!


    :lol: couldn't hear you cause you was mooted ;)
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:57 am
  • SonicHawk wrote:
    Donn2390 wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


    You're right, Matt Flynn should have stayed the starter.


    Matt Flynn was never "THE starter". We had a competition for the job and Wilson won that competition.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:02 am
  • Largent80 wrote:Browners uncle goes to the Backstage in Culver City. I spent a bunch of time talking to him and he said he thought he has a good shot of playing this week, and that they think the NFL will drop the suspension.

    Thanks for the info man. Good news. More depth at all positions on the team is a good thing.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:04 am
  • Should be a matchup decision in my opinion. Maxwell and Browner = two different skill sets good vs. different kinds of opponents.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:07 am
  • Donn2390 wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


    What a silly post. So about Drew Bledsoe.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:09 am
  • HawkFan72 wrote:I agree that Browner should not start. Maxwell has outplayed him this year and deserves to keep the job, IMO.


    I've always loved Browner but I have to give it to Maxwell he has played fantastic in Browners absence and well whichever players gives the Hawks the best chance to win should start. I think right now thats Maxwell as I don't think we've seen a defensive effort like we saw against the Giants this year.

    I also think Lane played a fabulous game.

    Credit to our teams depth it really can't be over emphasized.

    That was the type of game that could win a super bowl solely on defense.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:14 am
  • Drew Bledsoe wrote:No one should ever lose their starting job to an injury...


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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:20 am
  • I don't think it's going to matter.

    Browner's return from injury looks like it's going to coincide with the league's decision on his suspension appeal, which is suppose to resolved by the end of the month. Unless he wins, then make sure to step outside and listen to our south, because the epic screaming and yelling coming from the greater Bay Area will be heard from miles around.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:30 am
  • Browner will come in handy very much when we play physical receivers like boldin or brandon marshall. Dont doubt him yet.
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:37 am
  • The bottom line with Browner is even if he wins his appeal and comes back, he totally screwed himself in regards to getting a big pay day. At least here he did.

    All three players, Lane, Maxwell and Thurmond have now proven they can play his spot with ZERO drop off. In fact in the case of Thurmond and Maxwell, I'd say they're both even faster and more athletic than Browner is at DB (and younger).
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:39 am
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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:49 am
  • seahawksny wrote:Our record the last two years without him is 6-1.
    Maxwell in his absence has tgree picks un last two games. When he returned last year we were sluggish in first half vs washington and then again vs atlanta. Its not solely his play, but the team seems to play with a lot more emotion with guys like maxwell, Thurmond and lane. They have done a fine job in his absence. Just seems like to me they are better in man to man coverage.



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Re: Browner Should Not Start Upon Return
Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:20 am
  • Should be a matchup decision in my opinion. Maxwell and Browner = two different skill sets good vs. different kinds of opponents.


    Exactly. I'd start Maxwell or WT3 against the likes of Detroit, GB, New Orleans, etc. and BB against the run-first teams like Carolina, SF.
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