Do we have the best receiving corps in the NFL with Harvin?

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  • I'm being real when I say this but I honestly believe that the Seahawks have the best receiving corps in the NFL with the addition of Harvin.
    Here are a couple reasons why:

    1. We have a wide range of receivers.
    -Kearse is 6'1 and can catch a deep ball like nobody's business. I really like this kid and believe he will be a star some day(credit going directly to #3) He has good speed for his size(4.3/40yrd) and he seems to be fitting in to our scheme nicely. Hes a good blocker and has no signs in decreased effort, a real team player. I think hes a diamond in the rough.

    2. Golden is GOLD. I knew this kid who make me proud once he got a decent QB. I saw flashes of his talent in the 2010 season but he seemed like he didnt always have his head in the game. I dont know if it was because he was an immature player or he just couldnt handle the assignments he was given, but he sure didnt look like he was gonna last as a Seahawk. This year he has emerged as one of the most "clutch" receivers on our roster and in the league. He should go to the Pro Bowl or be in the All Pro voting because he has made every opportunity hes been given this year GOLDEN. Plus I was in attendance during the "Fail Mary" game and I cant tell you how ridiculous his catch made me. I literally got out of my seat and started screaming "SUCK PACK, SUCK!" as if to tell all the visiting Packer's fans who were chanting their lame "go pack, go" phrase. I look back at it and still laugh. A guy next to me was wearing a "bleu cheese" wedge on his hat. What a good Monday Night.

    3. Baldwin is so quiet in his interviews but man is he LOUD on the field? Every roll out deep ball that Russell has ever thrown has gone to Dougie. He seems to make separation from his corner on every play and he is an expert at our system. I love everything about this kid ever since he led this team in receptions as an UDRFA!!! Doug will always be a baller in my book and I can only pray that he stays with this organization as long as he plays.

    4. Our TE corps has two Studs in Miller and Willson. I dont care what anybody says, Luke has been a playmaker. It might be subtle but it definitely shows. He has caught almost every ball thrown his way and continues to make key blocks in the running game. I havent seen Vance McDonald do anything that Willson isnt capable of doing which makes me glad we didnt go for a TE so early. Zach is such a solid blocker and has catches here and there. His TD in AZ was awesome, he streched out like a puma going for an deer. TAKE NOTE WILLSON :mrgreen:

    5. Percy. Oh dear Mercy. Where do I begin? What hasnt been said about this guy already? He is the BEAST MODE of our Receiving Corps. He is the best overall player in the league says Adrian Peterson. I cant wait to see this guy dismantle defenses. Nobody on the field has a bigger presents in the return game, hes off the charts fast. Hes absolutely incredible(hence that catch he made sunday), and was worth every penny we paid for him. Trust me fellow fans, the payoff will come, sooner than you will believe. I love how everyone talks about how talented he was on the Vikings. If you think he was talented on that team, just wait. He has a 5X better supporting cast now and is catching balls from DangeRuss. This tandem will be talked about years from now, mark my words!

    My final words are, ENJOY THIS MOMENT!!! Even if we arent "the BEST" we still have so much talent on Offense as of late and it is definitely going to show on the field come Monday. Till my next post, I bid adue until next Monday. Gotta go take a dab after typing all of that sheesh lol GO HAWKS!!!
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  • I don't know about being the best corp or not, but I truly like this squad. Collectively they all have great hands and run good routes. They are tough as nails and are reliable. We can win it all with these guys. They are just a solid part to an overall great team.
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  • I'd like to think so...Harvin is unbelievable.
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  • Kearse isn't 4.3, I think he's in the 4.5-4.6 range but plays faster at times.

    It's not best in the league but it could be the best the Seahawks have ever fielded.
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  • I don't know about the best, but they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with.
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  • Who's got it better than us?
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  • When healthy, I think its the Falcons. Roddy white, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez and Harry Douglas (showing he can play in Jones absence)
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  • Denver.

    Green Bay when healthy.

    Possibly the Saints.

    I like Atlanta's better than ours (with Julio).

    Indy with Watyne, Hilton and the TE's is pretty good.

    I think we are average really, but we excell at catching the contested ball. Not good in separating, not really a speed group, not really big, but we catch the ball and can run.
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  • Denver is pretty dad gum loaded at receiver too.
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  • Aros wrote:Who's got it better than us?


    Right?!
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  • They are up there, but I don't think they are the best.
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  • Aros wrote:Who's got it better than us?

    NOBODY!

    To answer the question, I don't know about the being the best but top 5 isn't a ridiculous possibility. Percy is that good and when he has an actual NFL quarterback it gets stupid ridiculous. That isn't a guess that's proven fact.
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  • Strictly considering top 3 WRs
    1.) Denver - Thomas, Welker, Decker
    2.) Atlanta (when healthy)- Julio, White, Douglas
    3.) GB- Nelson, Cobb, Jones
    4.) Seattle- Harvin, Tate, Baldwin
    5.) Dallas- Dez, Austin, Williams

    If you're considering top 4, I'd consider moving up Seattle and GB ahead of Atlanta.

    It's really hard to tell who has the best because the WRs seem to go hand and hand with really good QBs.. I actually think NO has pathetic WRs, COlston, Moore, Stills, Meachem. Look at Meachem for example, he couldn't even make a team (SD) that had invested huge money into him. Now he's back making plays in NO. I'd say that the QB can make a WR look good or bad, but there are true talents that look great regardless of who's throwing them the ball...Dez, Megatron, AJ Green, Julio..ect
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  • No way. Right now, I would say the best is EASILY Denver. They have a very formidable group of pass catchers. When healthy, I would give the nod to Atlanta and Green Bay pretty easily as well.

    Prior to Rice getting hurt and prior to Harvin returning, I would have said that the Seahawks had possibly the worst group of WRs in the NFL. They really were not playing well. Then Rice got hurt and Tate, Baldwin and Kearse were thrust into the spotlight and have stepped up in a huge way. Harvin adds a ton obviously. I still would put a few other teams ahead of them, but they are trending upward for sure. Those other teams might include:

    - Denver
    - Green Bay (when healthy)
    - Atlanta (when healthy
    - Chicago
    - Giants
    - Dallas
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:No way. Right now, I would say the best is EASILY Denver. They have a very formidable group of pass catchers. When healthy, I would give the nod to Atlanta and Green Bay pretty easily as well.

    Prior to Rice getting hurt and prior to Harvin returning, I would have said that the Seahawks had possibly the worst group of WRs in the NFL. They really were not playing well. Then Rice got hurt and Tate, Baldwin and Kearse were thrust into the spotlight and have stepped up in a huge way. Harvin adds a ton obviously. I still would put a few other teams ahead of them, but they are trending upward for sure. Those other teams might include:

    - Denver
    - Green Bay (when healthy)
    - Atlanta (when healthy
    - Chicago
    - Giants
    - Dallas


    I agree mostly. Chicago has high end Marshall and Jeffery, but their 3rd WR is awful. I agree the top 2 put them in the top 6-7 though. With Hakeem Nicks sucking this year, I don't think Cruz is near good enough to put them in top 5 contention. Harvin is better than Cruz, Tate is better than Nicks, Baldwin and Randle are comparable.
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  • Top 5, but not better than Denver and probably Atlanta or Green Bay when healthy like everyone has stated. We lack the big time #1 possession receiver that everyone loves but instead just loaded the team with a bunch of clutch play makers.
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  • Okay,............who's healthy (right now)?????

    The Seahawks are (mostly).

    EASILY a top-three WR corps.

    Everyone keeps excluding Lockette from the discussion. With him AND Harvin down the field, and Tate, Baldwin, and the TE's inside,........plus "Beast Mode",.......really????

    With Wilson as the Field Marshal out there,.......UNSTOPPABLE.
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  • lukerguy wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:Baldwin and Randle are comparable.


    Really?

    Rank Receptions Drops Targets % Targets Drop %
    306 Rueben Randle WR NYG 29 3 51 56.9 % 5.9%
    147 Doug Baldwin WR Sea 36 1 50 72.0 % 2.0%

    What these don't reveal is that Doug is CLUTCH.
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  • Aros wrote:Who's got it better than us?

    Currently when healthy...
    Denver - Wes, Dem, Decker, J Tomas
    Green Bay - Nelson, Jones, Finley, Cobb
    Atlanta - Julio, Gonz, Roddy
    Detroit - Calvin
    TB - Jackson, Williams

    But that might be it. I don't think the NYG, Dallas, NO, or anyone else is any better.

    I really feel Percy and Tate with Kearse and Baldwin is solid.
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  • solid group and with Harvin much more dangerous.

    but VERY homerish to call it the best
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  • HawkGANG wrote:I don't know about the best, but they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with.


    I agree.

    Among the breaks we've received this year was getting Harvin back not long after Rice's injury. And as we all saw last Sunday against the Vikings, this kid's play making ability is off the charts.

    The kickoff return he had just before halftime set up a TD that was, essentially, the stomach punch that Minnesota never recovered from and gave us big momentum for the 2nd half. Percy's going to be a handful for any opponent's defense for the remainder of this season and the playoffs.
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  • Zorn76 wrote:
    HawkGANG wrote:I don't know about the best, but they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with.


    I agree.

    Among the breaks we've received this year was getting Harvin back not long after Rice's injury. And as we all saw last Sunday against the Vikings, this kid's play making ability is off the charts.

    The kickoff return he had just before halftime set up a TD that was, essentially, the stomach punch that Minnesota never recovered from and gave us big momentum for the 2nd half. Percy's going to be a handful for any opponent's defense for the remainder of this season and the playoffs.

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  • I love how the group mixes and matches, but it would be crazy to call this the top corp without a true #1 WR in the group. Harvin is more of an all-purpose weapon than a true #1 receiving threat. The group lacks a great big target on the outside, too.
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  • BKCW wrote:
    lukerguy wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:Baldwin and Randle are comparable.


    Really?

    Rank Receptions Drops Targets % Targets Drop %
    306 Rueben Randle WR NYG 29 3 51 56.9 % 5.9%
    147 Doug Baldwin WR Sea 36 1 50 72.0 % 2.0%

    What these don't reveal is that Doug is CLUTCH.


    I like Baldwin more than Tate to be honest, but most people won't understand the little thing's that Doug does, how clutch he is, or how great of person he is. The point wasn't to say that Randle is better than Baldwin but illustrate that we have a better WR core than NYG.
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  • Kearse ran a 4.58. I think Denver has the best receiving corp with Wes Welker, Demaryius Thomas and that tight end they have is absolutely ridiculous! Wow would I love to steal him some how.

    Our team has to have the best deep ball receivers because they always seem to be way down the field when the catch it. But that's partly Russell seeing and throwing the ball too. Our Tight Ends are verging on elite, I think Willson is going to be a Pro Bowler and that's all John Schneider and his scouts. How the hell do they do that? A kid who was injured all year in college and they wanted him badly? It's magic.

    Our running backs are great out of the backfield, even the rookies. Hell, even our DTs can catch the ball :)
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  • If contracts weren't an issue, I would only trade our WR's for the following groups:

    Denver
    Chicago
    Atlanta
    GB
    Detroit
    Houston
    New Orleans (only if TE's are involved)
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  • SilkMonkey wrote:Kearse isn't 4.3, I think he's in the 4.5-4.6 range but plays faster at times.


    FWIW, he ran a 4.50 at the combine and a 4.43 at his pro day. Identical to Tate and Baldwin, pretty much.
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  • I'll add to the O.P.'s statement:

    1. Who really cares about where our players rank...the question really is, Can they get the job done at a Championship level?

    To which the only answer would be... Yes, they mutha bleepin can...and in so many different ways, so many different possibilities with a QB that can do it all, and a RB that can not carry more than a load but also a team of defenders.

    Tate is a riot of a play-maker. In the hybrid comparison game Tate is like Marshawn Lynch meets Randall Cobb. Every time you give it to this man... you never know when BOOM goes the dynamite.

    Baldwin is a smooth criminal. He's a crafty competitive thief that steals one of the kind gem highlight reel catches from incessant opposing defenders.

    Harvin is a graceful Tate. A do-it-all athlete in a small mold. However,e verything Harvin does seems surreal like everything around him is moving slower like he's a human Time Warp. The ways he moves... it so f'n beautiful, man!

    (Lol, sorry and onward, ho)

    That's a damn sweet trio of electric play-making ability and some of the greatest photo opportunities in the Sporting world.

    Now to the part where I agree with the OPs statement, I've seen many peeps saying "if Healthy" in their WR rankings. Ok, how about this group "IF HEALTHY" towards the mean of their career best performances:

    WR, Percy Harvin+ (10 games, Hip surgery)
    WR, Sidney Rice+ (2 games, bum knee all season)
    WR, Golden Tate
    WR, Doug Baldwin
    WR, Jermaine Kearse # (concussion in last game)
    TE, Zach Miller+ (2 games, hamstring)
    TE, Anthony McCoy+ (11 games, I.R.'d since May/June)
    TE, Luke Willson (5th round Rookies, looks good)
    RB, Marshawn Lynch
    RB, Robert Turbin
    RB, Michael Robinson+ (7 games, Ill)
    RB, Derrick Coleman
    RB, Christine Michael

    Not all WRs, no, but what all these individuals could all do together in the Receiving Game for and with Russell Wilson...It would easily have been the Greatest Show On FieldTurf. And its not far off, Seahawks are pretty damn good without having the healthiest of squads all season long, as well.

    What it all boils down to me is for a WR and for any player really is: Effiencent Production Towards Wins > Matter of Production in All Games

    Seahawks aren't a sugarcoated gumdrop, force feeding production to the same singular talent with different results to winning. They are a teeth-rotting jawbreaker of efficient purpose and Wilson has shown that he pretty much can do anything with these men when his line gives him time to stand still and scout the defense.
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  • Calvin Johnson is the best receiving corps in the NFL, although I'd put our guys at a close 2nd.
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  • I never could get my head around the disrespect for our group of WRs. Posters were ready to run them out of town with all the 'IF RW HAD A WR THAT COULD GET SEPERATION" talk. These guys just make catches. I mentioned in another thread, it is abundantly clear they love their QB. They give the impression they'd rather die than drop a pass, or not climb the sky to get one. Dougie spat his frikin teeth out trying to make a catch! It's a beautiful thing.

    Add the "most dangerous man in football" to this mix and you have to feel terrible for Rice. He will be raising the flag sooner than he'll be catching another pass from Russell Wilson. Let's just hope there's enough balls to go around for Harvin and Tate to keep their heads on straight. We will always be run first, but this set of WRs we have, along with RW, could easily be the nucleus of a dynasty.
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  • To the OP, no, not even close. We're second tier at best IMO.

    When healthy, I like Atlanta's receiving corps of Jones, White, and TE Tony Gonzalez. Denver has an awesome group, too, as do the Saints. Tony Romo has a great group to throw to, too, with Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Mark Whitten.

    I'm not as down on our group as I was at the start of the season as Tate is proving himself to be one of the best receivers after the catch and Baldwin and Kearse have both improved, but IMO we're a far cry from the aforementioned teams. But they should be good enough for us to haul in a Lombardi. Very few teams with a stud receiver have won Lombardi's. Megatron hasn't, Dez Bryant hasn't, Julio Jones hasn't. Green Bay has worked wonders with a very pedestrian receiving corps with guys like Jordy Nelson.

    I'm still in a wait-and-see mode with Harvin. He's only caught one pass for us, so it's pretty hard for me to come to a conclusion like what's being suggested based on one reception.
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  • If we were in a offense that threw the ball 35 to 40 times our WR's would get a lot more love I think. I think when everyone is healthy were probably a top 5 unit. Statistically we'll never be top 5 but no groups would in this offfense. Plus people are somehow underestimating Percy, when healthy he's as good as it gets.
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  • best group? NO
    Average at best? NO

    they're are above average, in fact with the addition of Harvin and Kearsh now stepping up, i would definitely put them in the upper echlon of the league.

    what i love about this group is their passion and dedication to this team, not to mention the fact that they go out week after week and make huge game changing plays. they will never get their credit from the rest of the league because they don't put up sexy numbers like Calvin or Dez or Denver, and that's just fine with me. but i bet you opposing defensive coordinators know how good this group is....
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  • RiverDog wrote:To the OP, no, not even close. We're second tier at best IMO.

    When healthy, I like Atlanta's receiving corps of Jones, White, and TE Tony Gonzalez. Denver has an awesome group, too, as do the Saints. Tony Romo has a great group to throw to, too, with Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Mark Whitten.



    A) It's Jason Witten

    B) Miles Austin hasn't been good in a couple years.

    C) I wouldn't take anyone from the Cowboys receiving squad except Dez.
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  • el capitan wrote:Calvin Johnson is the best receiving corps in the NFL, although I'd put our guys at a close 2nd.



    This is it, Johnson is the best WR Corps in the NFL. We are close to the top I would say.
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  • Until we show that we can complete a slant route with regularity, we don't deserve to be anywhere near the top of any list.
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  • I don't think we have the best recieving corp in our division. I'd say Az does. Atl, Hou to name few. We are middle of the road.
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  • In terms of guys with good hands and tip-toes we do.

    Harvin draws more coverage and creates more one-on-one for the other receivers than anybody but (probably) Megatron.

    We're good.
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  • Aros wrote:Who's got it better than us?

    The 49ers? :lol:

    We should ask them. :D
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  • Yep, a top tier receiving corps. Folks who are tuned in to advanced stats know this, but folks who still mostly rely on the "eye test", cumulative stats, or outdated "categories" of receivers sometimes won't.
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  • Where our WRs are best is clutch... very few drops.

    That ranks very high in my book.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:Where our WRs are best is clutch... very few drops.

    That ranks very high in my book.


    Agreed. And they've made some spectacular, clutch catches. But they don't get good separation nearly often enough. It seems like Russell has to throw into some pretty tight windows.

    But for this team, our WR corps is plenty good enough to get us a Lombardi.
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  • RiverDog wrote: Tony Romo has a great group to throw to, too, with Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, and Mark Whitten.


    Ahh, Mark Whitten. Man what a hitter, at least for a short time. I still remember that 600 foot grand slam he hit against the Twins back in 96 (officially 460ish, but everyone knew it was much longer).

    Anyway, back on topic. Our WR corp was top 10-15 before Harvin, but who knows what impact he will have. He could put us in the top five, but I don't think the stats will ever reflect that with how much we pass.
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  • Best? No. Underrated? Definitely.
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  • I'm not sure about the best, but certainly one that works well in our system. Wilson is a great deep ball passer and we get a lot of good opportunities from our play action. These guys may not be the tallest, but they do a good job boxing out and catching the ball at the highest point and timing the jumps. Give our pass system where we don't really emphasize one guy over another, they all do very well in their respective roles. They just fit our system well.
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  • Don't forget Cincinnati...

    AJ Green
    Marvin Jones
    Mohammed Sanu
    Tyler Eiffert
    Jermaine Gresham
    Gio Bernard (great pass catcher)
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  • The Broncos and Bears are two teams with WR corps that I would take over ours, to be fair. Maybe ATL if Julio Jones was healthy.
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  • Aros wrote:Who's got it better than us?


    Denver. At least when it comes to WRs. They have the best WRs in the game....Demyrius Thomas, Decker, Welker and their TE Thomas is much more explosive than Miller (Miller is more solid all around, which is a better fit here, but Thomas is lighting everyone up).

    So to answer the OP, no, we don't have the best WRs in the league.
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