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So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:33 pm
  • No that I don't mind some luck being involved with the Hawks, but this article makes it sound like it's the main reason for the current record. Found this on a Saints forum, didn't see it posted on the front page, hope it's not a repost.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... =foxrg_nfl

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:35 pm
  • They're what, 16-2 in their last 18 games? That's a hell of a lot of luck.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:39 pm
  • irocdave wrote:No that I don't mind some luck being involved with the Hawks, but this article makes it sound like it's the main reason for the current record. Found this on a Saints forum, didn't see it posted on the front page, hope it's not a repost.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... =foxrg_nfl

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:41 pm
  • Trrrroy wrote:They're what, 16-2 in their last 18 games? That's a hell of a lot of luck.

    Thems are the facts! :)
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:43 pm
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:47 pm
  • I really don't mind if people want to bring up facts about WHO a team is played but it always pisses me off when they bring up the "what if' junk.

    "What if" things had gone differently in carolina? really? who cares. This isn't an alternate universe. In our universe our all-pro caliber safety made a play because we're good.

    Never mind the fact that we out-gained the panthers by 120 yards or that russel wilson threw for 320 vs. cam's 125, made 3 scoring drives to the panthers one. etc etc etc.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:47 pm
  • Forget who said this (Rogers?) but "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity".

    That aside, losing virtually our entire O-line wasn't exactly lucky.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:10 pm
  • I've been mentioning for a while that the Seahawks have largely enjoyed a powder-puff schedule in regards to the QB's they've faced in the last 6 games, plus Chad Henne and Matt Schaub before that. But they also survived, with a scratched-up O-line, a lot of underrated defensive lines in that period. So while I agree that our record has a noticeable amount of luck in it, it's still earned.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:31 pm
  • We are lucky. Look at the talent on our team! And our coach...

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:53 pm
  • What if Percy Harvin was healthy all the way through?

    See we can play that card also. You make your own luck in this league.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:58 pm
  • Any thesis whose methodology designates turnover differential as "luck" is seriously flawed. Forcing turnovers and avoiding turnovers are the result of many factors, but the predominate are player skill, player training and team schematics (offensive and defensive schemes and philosophy).

    Similar issues can be raised with the "Pythagorean Winning Percentage" and fumble recovery methodology, but there's no need to pick apart the author's argument since it is completely flawed and totally worthless.

    In other words, the article is a waste of time.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:02 pm
  • irocdave wrote:No that I don't mind some luck being involved with the Hawks, but this article makes it sound like it's the main reason for the current record. Found this on a Saints forum, didn't see it posted on the front page, hope it's not a repost.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... foxrg_nflp

    Thoughts??

    I don't think I have seen a premise more ridiculous outside QBR than this article's thesis.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:28 pm
  • Riddel me this. In the offseason we were Superbowl champions. Then we signed Percy Harvin and everyone said that move put us over the top for sure. Then Percy had surgery and then we weren't superbowl favorites anymore even though we were before we got him. Then every week pretty much we had some talking head saying this week the Hawks are going to loose and now, we are lucky to win our games every week. Don't get me wrong I love that our team is hated simply on the fact that it is all JEALOUSY. Do people really think we would have lost if Locker was playing for the Titans or if Case Keenum was the quarterback instead of Schaub? These are some of the stupidest, most ignorant things I have heard come out of anyones mouth I think ever about a championship contender
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:28 pm
  • We are lucky, lucky that no other team picked up RW! Thank you !!
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:47 pm
  • we can shut a lot of doubters up come next monday night. really doesn't matter what people say/think, fact is we control our own destiny at this point. take care of business one week at a time, then people will have no choice but to say, uh damn, i guess they are good..
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:49 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:We are lucky. Look at the talent on our team! And our coach...

    What? Not what the writer meant? Dooooooon't care.

    Well put.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:54 pm
  • dradee wrote:We are lucky, lucky that no other team picked up RW! Thank you !!

    Yep, stupid sons of &!+(#€$!
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:55 pm
  • Really, it's almost impossible to start 10-1 without catching some breaks. This is why you almost never see teams with perfect records at the end of the season.

    Seattle is 3-0 this season when outgained (though one of those games was Minnesota). They've been down by three scores twice this season and won both games.

    We have been fortunate. But our team has also been really, really good. The are nearly #1 in DVOA, they were #1 in DVOA last season, and they are top 7 in both offense and defense with the #1 special teams.

    It's not very often you have a scary good team that also catches a few good breaks. Let's hope they take full advantage of it come February.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:57 pm
  • Looking at that list, if your defense is good and/or bad ass, you're lucky, I concur, I'm pretty lucky to get to watch our defense do work on game day.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:59 pm
  • Not being a stat person what does DVOA stand for again?
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:15 pm
  • The only thing I took away from these stats is that we have been horrendous at recovering our own fumbles. Only 8.7%?

    That'll regress to the mean.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:18 pm
  • The author is a Jets fan, I think he must of wore Willie Joe's pantie hose over his head, and cut off the oxygen to his brain.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:24 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I've been mentioning for a while that the Seahawks have largely enjoyed a powder-puff schedule in regards to the QB's they've faced in the last 6 games, plus Chad Henne and Matt Schaub before that. But they also survived, with a scratched-up O-line, a lot of underrated defensive lines in that period. So while I agree that our record has a noticeable amount of luck in it, it's still earned.


    You mention the great equalizer, but it's worth repeating. We won the lion's share if our games with the worst pass protection in the league, and that's not by a small margin. That alone makes any mention of the caliber of QB's we played against a moot point.

    As stated earlier, most of our 'luck' was simply capitalizing on opportunities with heads-up plays. I'd like to see any other team in the leage go 12-1 with both starting Tackles out (and the center for much of that time) against some of those D's in their house. I'm still amazed, but it's quite a stretch to say it was merely because we got lucky.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:30 pm
  • Not being a stat person what does DVOA stand for again?
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:53 pm
  • KCHawkGirl wrote:Not being a stat person what does DVOA stand for again?


    Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA), a system that breaks down every single play and compares a team's performance to the league average based on situation in order to determine value over average.

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:25 pm
  • Yeah having our O line decimated was blind Luck. Let see how many teams in the league can lose 4 starters and move the 5th to a different position have the line in flux every week with a new cast of characters, have the replacements be a converted Defensive lineman, a undrafted rookie and a 7th rounder and keep winning, and win week to week with LUCK.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:48 pm
  • There is not a single Super Bowl champion that didn't have its share of luck.

    Again.. good teams win the games they should, great teams win the games they shouldn't.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:06 am
  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    irocdave wrote:No that I don't mind some luck being involved with the Hawks, but this article makes it sound like it's the main reason for the current record. Found this on a Saints forum, didn't see it posted on the front page, hope it's not a repost.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... foxrg_nflp

    Thoughts??

    I don't think I have seen a premise more ridiculous outside QBR than this article's thesis.


    I agree. This guy doesn't understand preparedness.
    The Schaub pick was NOT luck. Richard said as much in his presser.
    "What if" Case Keenum were in? What if footballs were shaped like cupcakes?
    Rams? Please...goal line stand anyone? Not luck. Preparedness.
    Falcons were motivated and engaged with Jones? Maybe...but they still played poorly, shown by their current record.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:17 am
  • Trrrroy wrote:They're what, 16-2 in their last 18 games? That's a hell of a lot of luck.


    Not losing any game by more than a touchdown for two years running is total luck*. As for Wilson himself, you have to go back to 2010 when he lost by 11.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:31 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:There is not a single Super Bowl champion that didn't have its share of luck.

    Again.. good teams win the games they should, great teams win the games they shouldn't.


    Exactly.

    I sincerely hope that coaches and players for our upcoming opponents buy into the "Seattle's just lucky" theory 100%. That would make the track to the SB so much easier.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:49 am
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:57 am
  • "Luck is the residue of design"--Chuck Knox
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:14 am
  • HawkWow wrote:Forget who said this (Rogers?) but "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity".

    That aside, losing virtually our entire O-line wasn't exactly lucky.

    Pay no attention to the man in the booth!


    Rogers? Lol he isn't that smart to come up with that. I think it was John Wooden, or someone else far smarter than Aaron.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:23 am
  • When they win the whole thing, let 'em call us lucky. You don't win 16 of 18 games by luck. And, who cares, I'm sure just about every team who has ever won a title has had plenty of "luck"
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:45 am
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I've been mentioning for a while that the Seahawks have largely enjoyed a powder-puff schedule in regards to the QB's they've faced in the last 6 games, plus Chad Henne and Matt Schaub before that. But they also survived, with a scratched-up O-line, a lot of underrated defensive lines in that period. So while I agree that our record has a noticeable amount of luck in it, it's still earned.

    Our schedule was hard if you look at the away games records from last season. However you never know teams that were good last season were going to suck this season. That is really the only reason our schedule seems "powder puff".
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:46 am
  • "All life is a game of luck", I think Dr. Bombay said that when he was on the Titanic!!
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:11 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:There is not a single Super Bowl champion that didn't have its share of luck.



    Yep.

    Lucky != not good.

    Every team that is thought of as a great team has benefited both from ability and luck. Nothing too objectionable about that, IMO.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:17 am
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    HawkWow wrote:Forget who said this (Rogers?) but "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity".

    That aside, losing virtually our entire O-line wasn't exactly lucky.

    Pay no attention to the man in the booth!


    Rogers? Lol he isn't that smart to come up with that. I think it was John Wooden, or someone else far smarter than Aaron.

    I thought he was referring to a quote from Roy Rogers, not Aaron RoDgers.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:23 am
  • Every good team will catch a few lucky breaks. Even the Saints have this year.

    It's not like the Seahawks are the only ones. Every single team catches breaks.

    The fans of opposing teams who complain about other teams "just being lucky" are just grasping at straws to find something wrong with your team.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:28 am
  • Seattle
    Arizona
    New England
    NYJets
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    Those are the five "lucky" teams he's listed. Here is how they rank according to DVOA:
    Seattle #2 (a mere .6 pts behind Denver)
    Arizona #14 (#1 ranked defense)
    New England #6
    Jets #24 - this might be one of his actual "lucky" teams, but how lucky are they to be 5-5? We're talking one, maybe two games bounced their way.
    KC #9 - His pick for most luckiest. If you consider an easy schedule "luck", then he has a point. But the Chiefs had to actually beat those other teams and that takes skill and preparation. They may not have the talent to go far this year, but "regression to the mean" isn't going to be the reason they start losing. Their record indicates who they are based on who they've played. They are still a playoff contender and have played like a playoff contender.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:14 am
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    KCHawkGirl wrote:Not being a stat person what does DVOA stand for again?


    Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA), a system that breaks down every single play and compares a team's performance to the league average based on situation in order to determine value over average.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-r ... oa-ratings

    I have read it before and understand it I just forgot what the acronym meant. I think it's one statistical system that means something.But thanks for the reminder.:)
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:29 pm
  • That Case Keenum argument is pathetic and lazy. It doesn't compute. The Texans have zero, nada, none wins with Keenum at QB. When Schaub was there he got them 2 wins. Bad example. I stopped reading at that point. Seahawks create their own luck and in some cases create their opponents luck (see Colts, Titans, and Bucs games). The Titans and Bucs were only in the games because the Seahawks were half asleep in the first half. Lucky for those teams. When the sleeping giant woke, jack couldn't keep up.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:43 pm
  • Trrrroy wrote:They're what, 16-2 in their last 18 games? That's a hell of a lot of Wilson.


    Fixed it for ya. Luck has nothing to do with the Hawks.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:58 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:Forget who said this (Rogers?) but "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity".

    That aside, losing virtually our entire O-line wasn't exactly lucky.

    Pay no attention to the man in the booth!


    The quote actually says "Success is where preparedness meets opportunity".

    Not sure who said it, but it was on one of those inspirational plaques on my ex-bosses office for years. Can't tell you how many times I read the damn thing listening to him babble...
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:37 pm
  • Its called "the writing on the wall syndrome" . These writers see what we see come Superbowl.
    They are in denial though,lol
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:14 am
  • Two comments.

    1. I'd rather be lucky than good. :229031_shrug:

    2. The harder I work, the luckier I get. :mrgreen:

    As Seahawks fans who've suffered seemingly more than our share of bad breaks, unlucky bounces, and screw jobs over the years, we can't be concerned about the jealous comments of our lessors. Hey, look at the scoreboard and the standings. It is what it is.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:12 am
  • sutz wrote:Two comments.

    1. I'd rather be lucky than good. :229031_shrug:

    2. The harder I work, the luckier I get. :mrgreen:

    As Seahawks fans who've suffered seemingly more than our share of bad breaks, unlucky bounces, and screw jobs over the years, we can't be concerned about the jealous comments of our lessors. Hey, look at the scoreboard and the standings. It is what it is.

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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:41 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I've been mentioning for a while that the Seahawks have largely enjoyed a powder-puff schedule in regards to the QB's they've faced in the last 6 games, plus Chad Henne and Matt Schaub before that. But they also survived, with a scratched-up O-line, a lot of underrated defensive lines in that period. So while I agree that our record has a noticeable amount of luck in it, it's still earned.


    Funny, but a lot of people have been calling our schedule "cream puff" and saying we're barely beating bad teams.

    At the beginning of the season, we were moaning about how we got screwed by the scheduling with all the early east coast starts and how tough the schedule looked. We can't help if teams don't live up to expectations. We just beat them.
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Re: So the Hawks are just "lucky"...
Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:19 pm
  • Kixkahn wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:I've been mentioning for a while that the Seahawks have largely enjoyed a powder-puff schedule in regards to the QB's they've faced in the last 6 games, plus Chad Henne and Matt Schaub before that. But they also survived, with a scratched-up O-line, a lot of underrated defensive lines in that period. So while I agree that our record has a noticeable amount of luck in it, it's still earned.

    Our schedule was hard if you look at the away games records from last season. However you never know teams that were good last season were going to suck this season. That is really the only reason our schedule seems "powder puff".


    It's still valid to discuss strength of schedule even if it's in retrospect. It could still have implications for the playoffs.

    Of course, it's NOT accurate to call our schedule cream-puff. The QB quality hasn't been there, and we've made stupid mistakes. But the 49ers, Colts, and now the Panthers have proven tough opponents. Most of the other teams - Texans, Titans, Cardinals, Rams, and Buccaneers - had excellent defenses to bring against our patchwork O-line. Not only could they not beat Wilson, they couldn't beat him even with a lead and turnovers. That speaks volumes. The only truly creampuff teams we've beaten are Jacksonville, Atlanta (mostly because of injury), and Minnesota. Bahahaha Minnesota.

    It might be true to claim that we haven't faced many complete teams yet. We got beaten by the only one we faced. But we were competitive even there, on the road with that same patchwork O-line. It's not the same as saying we've barely beaten BAD teams.

    We'll have a tougher final five weeks than most people realize, as New Orleans are a complete team, the Giants are the Giants, and we still have one more full round against our own division.
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