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    He needs a big fine and a beatdown IMO.
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  • Looks fine to me - he went high but didn't blow him up like he could have, nor did he go for the head. There was another play where Wilson got sacked, then another guy came and plowed him when he was already down, however. I would like to see a fine on that play.
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  • I don't see anything there that would justify a fine or a beatdown in any way.

    At the very most, we could talk about that hit being a LITTLE late, but not by much.

    If that was one of our DEs hitting an opposing QB, we'd scream bloody murder if a flag, fine, or anything else came out in response to that hit.
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  • The ball was thrown. He intentionally hit him in the head. There's not even an attempt to tackle he had one goal to hit hit him in the head....
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  • It's against a Seahawk, even if he ripped his head off, he'd likely get away with it.
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  • Looked like a perfectly legal sack to me. Not sure what the problem is. :Dunno:
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  • Looks fine to me.
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  • Quinn will never get to heaven doing that to the chosen one.
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  • McQuistan should be fined for that whiff.
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  • Chapow wrote:Looked like a perfectly legal sack to me. Not sure what the problem is. :Dunno:


    Can't open the link but there's talk in this thread of Quinn being a tad late and the ball already thrown. Couldn't possibly be a legal sack then could it?
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  • Why? That's the sort of play Id be pissed if a seahawk got fined/flagged for. Hit right after the throw, hard to stop hard to tell if ball is gone.
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  • XxxZagnutxxX wrote:
    Chapow wrote:Looked like a perfectly legal sack to me. Not sure what the problem is. :Dunno:


    Can't open the link but there's talk in this thread of Quinn being a tad late and the ball already thrown. Couldn't possibly be a legal sack then could it?


    No it couldn't, I misspoke.

    Looked like a perfectly legal hit to me.
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  • Looks like your garden-variety NFL cheapo to me. Every team does it. It wouldn't bother me if the league tried to clean it up a bit -- I don't need to see guys taking swings like that to enjoy a football game. Many will disagree, though.
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  • Uh yeah, if that was "God" Peyton or Brady, hell even Andrew Luck, that would have at least been a flag for a late hit or hitting the helmet.
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  • Yea happypuppy I don't see it either. It looks to me like he's making a swing with his right arm for a strip/sack.

    The league allows one step after the ball is gone and I watched it a couple of times and it looks like one step to me. You have to consider the speed that is happening at too. Cool short vid though.
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  • Happypuppy wrote:The ball was thrown. He intentionally hit him in the head. There's not even an attempt to tackle he had one goal to hit hit him in the head....


    The ball was thrown JUST before Quinn got there, and he didn't hit him in the head. He swung his arm down (as DEs tend to do) to try and knock the ball loose - going for the strip/sack. He just arrived a touch late.
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  • Looks legit, after all the guy is much taller then Wilson and was going for the ball across Wilsons shoulders, we are getting a reputation for whineing about everything, this thread topic is fuel to that fire.
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  • hit may have been late, but not a headshot. personal foun (maybe) at best
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  • Why on earth should that play be fined???

    What if Wilson had pump-faked there?

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  • You guys are missing the point. McQuistan REALLY REALLY sucks at tackle.
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  • Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.
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  • ivotuk wrote:...The league allows one step after the ball is gone and I watched it a couple of times and it looks like one step to me...

    That's pretty much it. I suspect he knew he wasn't going to get there and he wasn't going to get the strip either. But he took the shot anyhow because that's the game. Do as much physical damage to the opponent as the rules allow every time there's an opportunity. Every team does it. It would be interesting (to me at least) to see what a more sportsmanship- and less injury-oriented NFL might look like, but I don't think that's going to be happening any time soon.
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  • kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Hard to tell if he gets Russell in the head, looks more shoulder to me..........and that's in slow motions. So there's no way the ref could tell in real time.

    This is another example of Hawk Homerism, which is quite rampant on this forum. If someone posted a .gif of Clemons hitting a QB like this, no one would say crap.
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  • kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    See if you can find another angle of it to support a head shot. He went high, body contact to the upper back and swung his arm around (overhand) for a strip-sack attempt. I do not see contact with the head at all, just high contact.
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  • All I see is McQuistan doing a belly flop. Bailey cant be worse can he?
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  • kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Where did he hit him in the head? Across the back of the neck maybe, where is the leading with the Helmet?

    Wilson is Shoulder pad high with his head on most players, they are going to look the other direction a lot unless it is deemed with intent or a hand to the helmet outright. Get used to it, what you get when your QB is 5'10" and D Lineman are 6'2" to 6'7" along with having a a dragstrip open to your QB.
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  • All you are showing is just how poor McQ looks. I have no idea what the coaches are doing letting that guy keep playing the same position since game 2.
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  • I see a DE doing what I would want our DE's to do in that situation, try to create a turn-over.

    What's the problem?

    It's a little late looking at it from that angle, how late is it if you're robert quinn on the other side of the QB just trying to make a play?
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  • iigakusei wrote:All I see is McQuistan doing a belly flop. Bailey cant be worse can he?



    I also like McQuistan's cut block after Quinn runs passed him. He is not a Tackle, please replace him with someone qualified.
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  • I'm not sure what play you are watching but you can clearly see the head pop forward on impact. If he hits body the would be going the other direction. You can call it Homerism if you want. I am simply clarifying the rule. Contact with the QBs head is illegal. Regardless if its a Seahawk or Ram or whatever. I am of the opinion that there is no need for a fine and I don't even really consider it a cheap shot. It's a play and there is a penalty for it. Half the distance to the goal and you move to the next play. This penalty was declined in lieu of the Pass Interference call though.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Where did he hit him in the head? Across the back of the neck maybe, where is the leading with the Helmet?

    Wilson is Shoulder pad high with his head on most players, they are going to look the other direction a lot unless it is deemed with intent or a hand to the helmet outright. Get used to it, what you get when your QB is 5'10" and D Lineman are 6'2" to 6'7" along with having a a dragstrip open to your QB.


    Unfortunately the rule book doesn't have any height exceptions. The rule is if you hit the QB in the helmet with any part of your body or helmet it is roughing the passer. If you want to argue that he didn't hit his head, that's fine. I think its clear he does, the referee called the penalty for it. He obviously agrees with me.
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  • kamikazehawk wrote:
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    kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Where did he hit him in the head? Across the back of the neck maybe, where is the leading with the Helmet?

    Wilson is Shoulder pad high with his head on most players, they are going to look the other direction a lot unless it is deemed with intent or a hand to the helmet outright. Get used to it, what you get when your QB is 5'10" and D Lineman are 6'2" to 6'7" along with having a a dragstrip open to your QB.


    Unfortunately the rule book doesn't have any height exceptions. The rule is if you hit the QB in the helmet with any part of your body or helmet it is roughing the passer. If you want to argue that he didn't hit his head, that's fine. I think its clear he does, the referee called the penalty for it. He obviously agrees with me.

    I don't think anybody is debating if it's a penalty. I think they're debating the op's point of an intentional cheap shot that warrants a fine. It was a bang bang play, which Quinn took a risk for a strip, and it back fired. To think he should be fined for it is a bit ridiculous. Clemons had a similar play against Indy, but it resulted in a fumble. If he would've been flagged for roughing the passer illegal contact to the head half this board would've been outraged.
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  • kamikazehawk wrote:
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    kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Where did he hit him in the head? Across the back of the neck maybe, where is the leading with the Helmet?

    Wilson is Shoulder pad high with his head on most players, they are going to look the other direction a lot unless it is deemed with intent or a hand to the helmet outright. Get used to it, what you get when your QB is 5'10" and D Lineman are 6'2" to 6'7" along with having a a dragstrip open to your QB.


    Unfortunately the rule book doesn't have any height exceptions. The rule is if you hit the QB in the helmet with any part of your body or helmet it is roughing the passer. If you want to argue that he didn't hit his head, that's fine. I think its clear he does, the referee called the penalty for it. He obviously agrees with me.

    I don't think anybody is debating if it's a penalty. I think they're debating the op's point of an intentional cheap shot that warrants a fine. It was a bang bang play, which Quinn took a risk for a strip, and it back fired. To think he should be fined for it is a bit ridiculous. Clemons had a similar play against Indy, but it resulted in a fumble. If he would've been flagged for roughing the passer illegal contact to the head half this board would've been outraged.
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  • Actually there are several posts here that suggest this is not a penalty, which is what my post is referring to. It is a penalty and was called as such. If the league started handing out fines every time someone committed a penalty Breno couldn't afford to play in the NFL anymore.
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  • Let's think about it this way; if Irvin did exactly the same play, should he be fined?
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  • I think the .gif in the original post does a poor job of showing the malicious intent of Quinn. My brother and I were livid when we saw it during the game. He clearly sees the ball is released and just clubs down towards Russell's head and shoulder.

    If I get some time later I will .gif some other angles.

    The difference between this play and Clemons play is that Luck still had the ball and that is a huge difference.
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  • My bias against former UNC players is overwhelming for the most part, but that was not a dirty play. Quinn was in flight before Russell released the ball. I'd take the call and all if it was roughing the passer, but it was not finable Others were right though, we should be fining McQ on that whiff.
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  • fine the guy who could not contain him. Come on, why would you fall down like that. It is about taking the right angle and blocking him head on. I know they are quick but in slow mo, it almost look like our line was sleeping and reacting after the guy has gone. This was the story all along.
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  • seahawks08 wrote:fine the guy who could not contain him. Come on, why would you fall down like that. It is about taking the right angle and blocking him head on. I know they are quick but in slow mo, it almost look like our line was sleeping and reacting after the guy has gone. This was the story all along.


    He is playing out of position and they are entirely different positions but yeah, that was pretty bad.
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  • Man, McQ looks like a sack of fertilizer out there, waaaayyyyy overmatched. I would rather see a rookie give it a shot.

    My question is why on earth Unger and Carp were double-teaming the DT (Brockers) when Quinn was turnstiling around McQuistan all freaking day! Does Unger call those protections?
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:McQuistan should be fined for that whiff.


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  • kamikazehawk wrote:
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    kamikazehawk wrote:Isn't this the play where they had P.I., Unnecessary Roughness, and Roughing the passer in the same play? Those of you saying it is legal are out of touch. It is certainly illegal to make contact with the QB's head. Period. End of discussion. If you want to argue that it happens in football all the time and shouldn't be a fine gor right ahead. But if you go high and hit the QB in the head especially when leading with your helmet. If our Clemons hit someone like this you should expect a flag. By rule this is a penalty.


    Where did he hit him in the head? Across the back of the neck maybe, where is the leading with the Helmet?

    Wilson is Shoulder pad high with his head on most players, they are going to look the other direction a lot unless it is deemed with intent or a hand to the helmet outright. Get used to it, what you get when your QB is 5'10" and D Lineman are 6'2" to 6'7" along with having a a dragstrip open to your QB.


    Unfortunately the rule book doesn't have any height exceptions. The rule is if you hit the QB in the helmet with any part of your body or helmet it is roughing the passer. If you want to argue that he didn't hit his head, that's fine. I think its clear he does, the referee called the penalty for it. He obviously agrees with me.



    My poiunt is I don't think it was a penalty, I also thing bitching about incidental contact on a ban bang play is whineing, and lastly his height was the casue of the contact being what it was, I am saying the refs are not going to call things as frequent on a guy that is the height of Wilson, thats like saying a forward in Basketball has to watch where he goes as not to elbow Nate Robinson in the head. Ever watch Doug Flutie Play he took a lot of incedental contacts as well.
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  • Legal hit, no problem there.

    McQ should try going back and to the side to try to get in front of the rusher instead of diving sideways after he is already gone. If he shuffles back and then to the side he could have routed him around the back of Wilson.
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  • There's nothing wrong with what Quinn did.
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  • Looks like most plays. But, if it was a Hawk, flag would have been thrown.
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  • I think it's pretty clear he tries to deliver a blow to Wilson's head.
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  • Here is a better angle. He had plenty of time to let up IMO. He received a penalty on the play but it was declined because their was also pass interference.


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  • That angle enrages me. That is a cheap shot
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  • He definitely should've pulled back from that. Geez. That's the kind of hit that in the past people here would be calling out the "dirt-bags" to get some payback for doing....
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