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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
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    plyka wrote:There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


    He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

    Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

    Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


    You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

    Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.
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  • I wouldn't say Krapernick is totally stupid, even he likes the Dolphins better than the Whiners..
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  • Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.


    WE invest a lot of energy? You should take a look at 49ers forums. There are threads dedicated to trashing the Seahawks, containing thousands upon thousands of posts.
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  • McGruff wrote:
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    plyka wrote:There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


    He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

    Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

    Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


    You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

    Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.




    Totally missed his point.

    Jeff George, in the words of Terry Bradshaw, could "throw the ball a country mile." But he had less success than plenty of less-strong armed QB's. Randall Cunningham and JaMarcus Russell are the two strongest i've ever seen. The difference in their level of success shows just how little arm strength matters compares to the other things that make a great QB.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?
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  • Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. 2-0 vs. Kaps Niners.

    Nuff said.
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  • AF_Hawk wrote:Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. Nuff said.


    Russell Wilson record against Colin Kaepernick: 2-0.
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  • IcedHawk wrote:
    AF_Hawk wrote:Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. Nuff said.


    Russell Wilson record against Colin Kaepernick: 2-0.


    Beat me to my edit. Nicely done.
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  • Fuzzman55 wrote:There were a couple of Arizona sports hosts that said the same thing after facing Kaepernick and Wilson back to back.

    Here's the podcast. It's about 16:50 in.

    http://arizonasports.com/?nid=244&a=300 ... 0Hour:%201

    They couldn't have been more impressed with Wilson. So we're not the only people seeing it.

    Thanks! I actually enjoyed the rest of their discussion as well.

    Hearing people bemoan their team's inadequacies is a comforting refresher for how far the team has come along.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    In his last 32 games Alex Smith has the best winning pct in the NFL. Not even Russell Wilson will match it.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.


    The obsession is mutual. Go to the 49er boards and you'll see just as many, if not more, threads about the Seahawks and hatred towards them.

    It's hilarious that the 49er fans on here think the Seahawks fans are the only ones obsessed with the opposition.
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  • Kaeperstank is a VERY good QB in my opinion. Russ is playing better right now, but CK is getting the job done there and is the better choice over Smith. RW is more consistent but they are both just kids. Neither one has been starting for 2 seasons.
    For the small level of pro experience they are having they both sure are doing some damage to their opponents.

    CK seemed to ride the hot receiver last year in Crabtree, some believe that he is a one read guy where I think Papaki just sees his first option open and hits it.

    I always get a laugh out of those who think the Seahawks WRs are average because no one has a thousand yards. It was best explained by Bevell today. He said that they are getting the passes that they want, but there isn't a lot of passes to go around. That they could be a 50 attempts per game offense but that they are finding more success on the ground.

    Then, of the 30 passes that they usually max out at, they are going to whomever the coverage allows, which ends up being 7-8 receivers, each getting around 4 looks a game give or take a few. Hearing Bevell was interesting and he totally made sense, but his comments pointed out how truly gifted Wilson is as he finds so many different guys which makes it difficult for defenses to provide help in coverage when they cant decide on who to take away.

    Ehh.. Both these guys are going to have great careers, but the Niner fan who claims that Kaeperstank is better because he won 1 more playoff game than Russ did is the same kind of Niner fan that thinks they are going to destroy the Hawks in December because the team won 5 Super Bowl games over 20 years ago.

    Those are the same Niner fans that in 2005 and 2008 were telling AZ and SEA fans that making it to the Super Bowl meant nothing, but in 2012 it is an accomplishment.
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  • McGruff wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
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    plyka wrote:There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


    He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

    Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

    Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


    You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

    Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.

    And won absolutely nothing and was traded 4 times and I heard described as 'million dollar arm with a ten cent head' and by all reports refused to put much if any time in the film room. Yeah, that Jeff George. I will give him one thing though, he threw the best looking pass I ever saw this side of Joe Namath.
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  • Ninerg wrote:
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    plyka wrote:There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


    He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

    Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.


    Kaepernick is fast, but WIlson is just as fast. At the combine Kaepernick = 4.53, Wilson = 4.55, hardly a significant advantage. Kaepernick is a long strider, but is significantly less adept and maneuvering around the pocket. Wilson is quicker than fast, Whereas Kaep is faster than quick. I'd rather have Wilson's short space explosion and escapability than Kaep's marginally superior straight line speed. The both have terrific arm strength. Kaep's may be a A+, whereas Wilson = an A. Both are more than adequate.



    What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

    Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.


    Are all Niners fans this brain dead? I mean honestly, does this guy live on another planet or what?

    First of all, the discussion wasn't about accomplishments, it was about comparative quarterbacking skills, but since you brought up the subject and to add to what's already been mentioned in this thread to justify Russell's accomplishments, Russell took over a team that the year before was 7-9 with an offense that was ranked 28th in the league to an 11-5 record and an offense ranked 17th. This season, he has been the driving force that has improved that 17th ranking to #7 and the W/L record to 6-1.

    So in just under 1.5 years and without any other significant additions to the Hawk offense, Russell has taken an offense ranked 28th to one that is currently ranked 7th and a team that was 7-9 to a team that has a conference best 6-1 and in nearly every circle, considered the leading candidate to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

    Is that enough or do you need more?
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:
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    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


    I hope you see how your earlier post is a bit hypocritical and is what people are referring to. You're saying people here spend a lot of energy on talking about the Niners, but yet you're here going out of your own way to try and convince us about an opinion on Kaep? Granted, I'm not saying which is right or wrong, just stating the point people are trying to make, and to each their own opinion. I also agree with the bolded though. ;)

    No need for the lame shots on the franchise. It's awesome that you guys won championships and have a ton of history. I respect that and would be lieing to say I didn't want that kind of history, but in reality, that's all it is, history, cool & neat, but it has no relevance to anything today.
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  • Not sure why I even engage this kind of stuff. No one said Kap was garbage. It would be crazy to say he hasn't struggled this year for sure. Wilson isn't great? Some very smart NFL minds disagree and considering all the things going on around Wilson his advanced stats put him in the top 5-10 in the NFL in year two of his young career. I think he borders on very good/ great already. that isn't homerism its just the truth and again, a ton of people around the league actually agree with that sentiment.

    Like the previous poster already stated to take shots at the organization was ridiculous and wasn't even part of your original point. We are talking about Kap and Wilson. I think your QB has a chance to be great too down the road. I think he also has a chance to somewhat bust based on what I've seen. Thats what makes him intriging, nothing would surprise me to be honest.

    Check out Fieldgulls recent work on advanced stats for Wilson. Profootballfocus has done some great work on this and another site that I'm drawing a blank on for some reason at the moment. People are afraid to say it for fear of being called overzealous homers but truth is he is borderline great already. Cowherd, Dilfer, Woodson etc have talked about it numerous times on espn. It is what it is.....
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  • Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

    Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:
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    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.

    Ahhhh the 5 rings/your trophy case talking points. Trolling 101, and you sound like a cowboys fan. BTW were you even born when SF won any of those trophys?

    Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

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  • Sports Hernia wrote:......Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.

    And he won't be here after the Hawks beat them in Frisco either.
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    plyka wrote:There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


    Oakland signed a QB with the strongest arm I have seen. I mean the dude could launch it 60 yards sitting down. This is the reason that Oakland is such a dominating force in the NFL today.......

    :sarcasm_off:


    I don't think many here realized my point. My point was Kaep is the better athlete but Wilson is the better QB (as another poster said it more succinctly i'll just copy him instead of trying to re-explain my post). I think it is without doubt that Kaep has the overall better physical attributes --the height is the main difference, then comes the speed/arm strength which in both cases I think Kaep has the advantage. But that does not matter, because Wilson is pretty damn good in all the athletic respects, but has the QB brain. He has the QB intangibles. Just like Golden Tate lacks the WR intangibles, Wilson has the QB intangibles in spades. His QB brain is far more important than the slight advantage Kaep has in the physical realm.
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  • Ninerg wrote:Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

    Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.

    We don't have to wait. Since youre a big fan of PAST history, SF lost 42-13 last time Seattle played SF with manningham and Crabtree.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:
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    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


    Nicely done!
    You really separated yourself from the same old niner fans when you busted out the trophy case argument.
    Maybe for your third post you can say "Five Rings" . . that is one hardly any niner fan brings up.
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  • Ninerg wrote:Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

    Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.


    Keep seeing this from you Niner fans. "Just wait..." We all realize that they're both just getting started with their careers but you Niner fans refuse to admit the truth and I completely disagree about most Niner fans being respectful of Wilson.

    In all seriousness, you (nor most of your fan base) will ever show respect. Even if Seattle tramples your team in Candlestick, RW passes for 450 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT and rushes for another 3 TDs, your fan base will simply pick a fall guy and dismiss every bit of it.

    This is why it's pointless to try and have a level headed discussion with any of you guys. It's always a back handed compliment, a subtle dig to prop up your fragile egos or railing on about SF's storied history (which is a futile effort by the way as it has zero bearing on the 2013 football season).

    I've tried to have these discussions on Niner boards and it has become apparent that discussion is pointless over there unless you are only there to grab your ankles for whomever will respond to your posts, troll or you simply enjoy reading LOL {insert emoticon} after every snide remark by a Niner fan, to a Seahawk fan. I've settled for trolling.

    That said, by all means... keep posting, but at least pick a category and stick with it. Are you a kiss ass, a smart ass or do you simply enjoy our forum colors?

    ** rlkats is the exception imo.
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  • Johnny wrote:This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


    This should be a thread all on its own. How much of a mistake was it to give up on Alex Smith and turn to Kaep when it wasn't necessary? Alex Smith now leads the only team in the league to be 7-0, he led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game the year before he wsa benched, and with that experience he probably wouldn't have chocked in the Superbowl. It is all too possible that Harbaugh cost the 49ers a superbowl ring had Alex Smith been playing. Not to mention, they don't have him this year.

    If Harbaugh was smarter, he may have stuck with Alex and brought Kaep along slowly, just like the Packers did with Rodgers.
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  • AF_Hawk wrote:Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. 2-0 vs. Kaps Niners.

    Nuff said.



    Both games were in Seattle. Let see how he plays against the Niners at Candlestick Park.
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  • So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.



    So you don't want to look at week 2 scores from this season or the last game we played last season, but will go back and say we have credibility because we won trophys 20 years ago.

    Great arguement for credibility.
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  • plyka wrote:
    Johnny wrote:This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


    This should be a thread all on its own. How much of a mistake was it to give up on Alex Smith and turn to Kaep when it wasn't necessary? Alex Smith now leads the only team in the league to be 7-0, he led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game the year before he wsa benched, and with that experience he probably wouldn't have chocked in the Superbowl. It is all too possible that Harbaugh cost the 49ers a superbowl ring had Alex Smith been playing. Not to mention, they don't have him this year.

    If Harbaugh was smarter, he may have stuck with Alex and brought Kaep along slowly, just like the Packers did with Rodgers.


    Using that logic, Pete Carroll should have stuck with Matt Flynn. Lets face it, Pete Carroll took a lot of criticism for going with RW over Flynn. Early on, RW was pretty much a game manager until he became more comfortable with the speed of the NFL game.

    What KC is going to learn with Alex is that he can take them only so far being a game manager, at some point you're going to need some dynamics from the QB position that Alex doesn't have. Also, Alex Smith and KC Chiefs have benefited from having the second softest schedule in the NFL. If Kap had the same schedule, the Niners would be 7-0 as well.

    There is no way Alex would have brought the Niners back down 17 on the road against the Atlanta in their building in last years NFC Championship. All Niners fans know that. Let's not forget, in that game, that was Kap's 8th start. Russell Wilson played that same team the week before and couldn't pull that game out, although he did get close. Also, Kap came close to pulling out the Superbowl after trailing big time, save for a non-holding call on Crabtree, he would have.
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  • IIRC, this thread is not about why Seahawk fans think Wilson is better than Kaepernick. It is about why a coach who has faced both thinks Wilson is better.
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  • Ninerg wrote:
    plyka wrote:
    Johnny wrote:This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


    This should be a thread all on its own. How much of a mistake was it to give up on Alex Smith and turn to Kaep when it wasn't necessary? Alex Smith now leads the only team in the league to be 7-0, he led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game the year before he wsa benched, and with that experience he probably wouldn't have chocked in the Superbowl. It is all too possible that Harbaugh cost the 49ers a superbowl ring had Alex Smith been playing. Not to mention, they don't have him this year.

    If Harbaugh was smarter, he may have stuck with Alex and brought Kaep along slowly, just like the Packers did with Rodgers.


    Using that logic, Pete Carroll should have stuck with Matt Flynn. Lets face it, Pete Carroll took a lot of criticism for going with RW over Flynn. Early on, RW was pretty much a game manager until he became more comfortable with the speed of the NFL game.

    What KC is going to learn with Alex is that he can take only so far, at some point you're going to need some dynamics from the QB position that Alex doesn't have. Also, Alex Smith and KC Chiefs have benefited from having the second softest schedule in the NFL. If Kap had the same schedule, the Niners would be 7-0 as well.

    There is no way Alex would have brought the Niners back down 17 on the road against the Atlanta in their building in last years NFC Championship. All Niners fans know that. Let's not forget, in that game, that was Kap's 8th start. Russell Wilson played that same team the week before and couldn't pull that game out, although he did get close. Also, Kap came close to pulling out the Superbowl after trailing big time, save for a non-holding call on Crabtree, he would have.


    Alex Smith had proven that he was capable of reaching the NFCC at the very least. Suddenly every 49er fan thinks he was incapable of winning that game (or a SB)? Flynn had started two games and was injured in the 2012 pre-season. How can you even compare the two decisions?

    Go back and look at what your fan base was screaming after weeks 2 and 3. "Why did we trade Alex Smith?!"
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  • Scottemojo wrote:IIRC, this thread is not about why Seahawk fans think Wilson is better than Kaepernick. It is about why a coach who has faced both thinks Wilson is better.



    Yup i agree Scotte. Also why is he even running his mouth he lost to both of us. He needs to shut the up and worry about his own QB. It would have been better to see if he thought Wilson and Kapernick are better than Palmer. Then his opinion means something. Thats my take.
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  • Ninerg wrote:
    AF_Hawk wrote:Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. 2-0 vs. Kaps Niners.

    Nuff said.



    Both games were in Seattle. Let see how he plays against the Niners at Candlestick Park.


    umm you guys got DESTROYED by INdy at home. Candlestick is hardly intimidating. Wilson has yet to lose by more than 7 points in his career- on the road- yet to lose at home. Kaepernick already has 3 beatdowns of 20+ points on his resume and he's started significantly less games. That alone should tell you how clutch a player is.
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  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:Keep seeing this from you Niner fans. "Just wait..." We all realize that they're both just getting started with their careers but you Niner fans refuse to admit the truth and I completely disagree about most Niner fans being respectful of Wilson.

    In all seriousness, you (nor most of your fan base) will ever show respect. Even if Seattle tramples your team in Candlestick, RW passes for 450 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT and rushes for another 3 TDs, your fan base will simply pick a fall guy and dismiss every bit of it.

    This is why it's pointless to try and have a level headed discussion with any of you guys. It's always a back handed compliment, a subtle dig to prop up your fragile egos or railing on about SF's storied history (which is a futile effort by the way as it has zero bearing on the 2013 football season).
    I've tried to have these discussions on Niner boards and it has become apparent that discussion is pointless over there unless you are only there to grab your ankles for whomever will respond to your posts, troll or you simply enjoy reading LOL {insert emoticon} after every snide remark by a Niner fan, to a Seahawk fan. I've settled for trolling.

    This is the post of the year as it concerns Whiner fans IMO, especially the bolded part. GREAT post man. I hear this shit all the time from the Whiner fans I work with, compliments that appear to be a positive about the Hawks but are really subtle put downs. See the thing is they know. They see what the Hawks are about to do and they can't stand it.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


    I think the green about sums it up (and no I didn't edit what he said)
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:No, the defense took the 49ers to the Super Bowl, and of course, Kaepernick choked. He's garbage.[/quote]
    austinslater25 wrote:Not sure why I even engage this kind of stuff. [b]No one said Kap was garbage[/b]. It would be crazy to say he hasn't struggled this year for sure. Wilson isn't great? Some very smart NFL minds disagree and considering all the things going on around Wilson his advanced stats put him in the top 5-10 in the NFL in year two of his young career. I think he borders on very good/ great already. that isn't homerism its just the truth and again, a ton of people around the league actually agree with that sentiment.

    Like the previous poster already stated to take shots at the organization was ridiculous and wasn't even part of your original point. We are talking about Kap and Wilson. I think your QB has a chance to be great too down the road. I think he also has a chance to somewhat bust based on what I've seen. Thats what makes him intriging, nothing would surprise me to be honest.

    Check out Fieldgulls recent work on advanced stats for Wilson. Profootballfocus has done some great work on this and another site that I'm drawing a blank on for some reason at the moment. People are afraid to say it for fear of being called overzealous homers but truth is he is borderline great already. Cowherd, Dilfer, Woodson etc have talked about it numerous times on espn. It is what it is.....


    I'm sorry, I must be tripping, but I do believe the quoted text refers to Kap as "garbage". So there's that, but it's cool. You guys are VERY excited about your young QB and for good reason, but as I was trying to illustrate in my first post, he is NOT head and shoulders above Kap. So he certainly is NOT great, let's please use that phrase for the players that were/are truly great. IMHO, the only current players that are great are as follows in no particular order. Brees, Brady, Manning, you could make an argument for others but that's as deep as I'm going.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
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    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.

    Ahhhh the 5 rings/your trophy case talking points. Trolling 101, and you sound like a cowboys fan. BTW were you even born when SF won any of those trophys?

    Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.


    And as for you sir, Yes I was born in Jan. of '86. So technically I've been alive for 4 out of 5 but I can only remember 1. And the tropheys comment goes hand in hand with all the 42-13 etc. etc. sigs that I see on here. You're so quick to talk about those games but u wanna start crying and sniffling when someone mentions rings or tropheys. But I can appreciete what you're trying to do, so I'll keep it a bit more recent. Seattle traveled to Atlanta and lost...San Fran traveled to Atlanta and won, thus we represented the NFC in the SB. Not Seattle, not Atlanta, not GB. WE are the reigning NFC champs and until that changes you'll have nothing to brag about save for a few regular season blowouts. I apoligize that this is off topic with the Kap/Wilson debate but I believe this forum needs shaken up a bit. There's too many posts of u guys slapping each other on the ass. You know,congratulating each other on having the best QB the world has ever seen.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:[quote="4BlatantAgent9"]Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

    So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


    So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.

    Ahhhh the 5 rings/your trophy case talking points. Trolling 101, and you sound like a cowboys fan. BTW were you even born when SF won any of those trophys?

    Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.


    And as for you sir, Yes I was born in Jan. of '86. So technically I've been alive for 4 out of 5 but I can only remember 1. And the tropheys comment goes hand in hand with all the 42-13 etc. etc. sigs that I see on here. You're so quick to talk about those games but u wanna start crying and sniffling when someone mentions rings or tropheys. But I can appreciete what you're trying to do, so I'll keep it a bit more recent. Seattle traveled to Atlanta and lost...San Fran traveled to Atlanta and won, thus we represented the NFC in the SB. Not Seattle, not Atlanta, not GB. WE are the reigning NFC champs and until that changes you'll have nothing to brag about save for a few regular season blowouts. I apoligize that this is off topic with the Kap/Wilson debate but I believe this forum needs shaken up a bit. There's too many posts of u guys slapping each other on the ass. You know,congratulating each other on having the best QB the world has ever seen.[/quote]

    Thanks brother! We really needed your level headedness.

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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:And as for you sir, Yes I was born in Jan. of '86. So technically I've been alive for 4 out of 5 but I can only remember 1. And the tropheys comment goes hand in hand with all the 42-13 etc. etc. sigs that I see on here. You're so quick to talk about those games but u wanna start crying and sniffling when someone mentions rings or tropheys. But I can appreciete what you're trying to do, so I'll keep it a bit more recent. Seattle traveled to Atlanta and lost...San Fran traveled to Atlanta and won, thus we represented the NFC in the SB. Not Seattle, not Atlanta, not GB. WE are the reigning NFC champs and until that changes you'll have nothing to brag about save for a few regular season blowouts. I apoligize that this is off topic with the Kap/Wilson debate but I believe this forum needs shaken up a bit. There's too many posts of u guys slapping each other on the ass. You know,congratulating each other on having the best QB the world has ever seen.


    Congrats on beating Atlanta and representing the NFC in XLVII. Therefore, the 49ers have accomplished more than the Seahawks during the 2012 season. Kaep is a good QB - he is not garbage. There, I said it!

    However, we are in the 2013 season. The Seahawks are missing key OL, Harvin, and Wagner, while the 49ers are missing key WR and a few DL. The Seahawks beat the 49ers 29-3. I don't know when this turned into a discussion of which great team is better...All we are discussing is Bruce Arians's comment about Wilson and Kaep. Personally, I think Wilson is better than Kaep. Does that mean Kaep is a terrible QB? No. Do I have homer glasses on? Maybe.
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    4BlatantAgent9 wrote:And as for you sir, Yes I was born in Jan. of '86. So technically I've been alive for 4 out of 5 but I can only remember 1. And the tropheys comment goes hand in hand with all the 42-13 etc. etc. sigs that I see on here. You're so quick to talk about those games but u wanna start crying and sniffling when someone mentions rings or tropheys. But I can appreciete what you're trying to do, so I'll keep it a bit more recent. Seattle traveled to Atlanta and lost...San Fran traveled to Atlanta and won, thus we represented the NFC in the SB. Not Seattle, not Atlanta, not GB. WE are the reigning NFC champs and until that changes you'll have nothing to brag about save for a few regular season blowouts. I apoligize that this is off topic with the Kap/Wilson debate but I believe this forum needs shaken up a bit. There's too many posts of u guys slapping each other on the ass. You know,congratulating each other on having the best QB the world has ever seen.


    Congrats on beating Atlanta and representing the NFC in XLVII. Therefore, the 49ers have accomplished more than the Seahawks during the 2012 season. Kaep is a good QB - he is not garbage. There, I said it!

    However, we are in the 2013 season. The Seahawks are missing key OL, Harvin, and Wagner, while the 49ers are missing key WR and a few DL. The Seahawks beat the 49ers 29-3. I don't know when this turned into a discussion of which great team is better...All we are discussing is Bruce Arians's comment about Wilson and Kaep. Personally, I think Wilson is better than Kaep. Does that mean Kaep is a terrible QB? No. Do I have homer glasses on? Maybe.


    I apoligized for getting off topic, but c'mon. Do any of u guys really care what Bruce Ariens thinks? I beg to wonder what Mike Munch-sack thinks about the two QBs. I never said that Wilson wasn't better than Kap but I never said he was either. They are very much the same and very different at the same time. If every offensive play was a 4th and 6, I'd take Russell all day. And maybe in a few other cases, running down the sideline maybe..But like I stated before and pretty much the only reason I registered on this forum........Russell is good, not great and Kap is far from garbage.......
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  • Ninerg wrote:What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

    Seems to me that Russell Wilson's team kicked the Kraep out that other team. Twice.
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:And as for you sir, Yes I was born in Jan. of '86. So technically I've been alive for 4 out of 5 but I can only remember 1. And the tropheys comment goes hand in hand with all the 42-13 etc. etc. sigs that I see on here. You're so quick to talk about those games but u wanna start crying and sniffling when someone mentions rings or tropheys. But I can appreciete what you're trying to do, so I'll keep it a bit more recent. Seattle traveled to Atlanta and lost...San Fran traveled to Atlanta and won, thus we represented the NFC in the SB. Not Seattle, not Atlanta, not GB. WE are the reigning NFC champs and until that changes you'll have nothing to brag about save for a few regular season blowouts. I apoligize that this is off topic with the Kap/Wilson debate but I believe this forum needs shaken up a bit. There's too many posts of u guys slapping each other on the ass. You know,congratulating each other on having the best QB the world has ever seen.


    Well at the least, you understand how bragging about something that happened like 20 years ago is not really relevant to today? On the other hand, these blow outs wins are some what relevant since it has very recently happened with our teams which still hold the same coach, regimes, players, etc. Your superbowl wins have nothing to do with us and happened over a decade ago, but our blow out wins over your team have happened in the last 2 years and directly correlate with our "rivalry". I'm not trying to discredit your team or "trying to do" anything, we're just trying to talk with some logic or sense (not saying you're not, but that's what I always try to do).
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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:I apoligized for getting off topic, but c'mon. Do any of u guys really give a fuck what Bruce Ariens thinks? I beg to wonder what Mike Munch-sack thinks about the two QBs. I never said that Wilson wasn't better than Kap but I never said he was either. They are very much the same and very different at the same time. If every offensive play was a 4th and 6, I'd take Russell all day. And maybe in a few other cases, running down the sideline maybe..But like I stated before and pretty much the only reason I registered on this forum........Russell is good, not great and Kap is far from garbage.......


    We're fans of course we care about this stuff. I'm almost certain if he said Kaep > Wilson, there would be the same exact thread in the Niner forum. I think Wilson is a very good, borderline great QB, and definitely anyone that isn't a homer also knows Kaep is pretty much just as deadly as Wilson although he hasn't preformed as well as Wilson up to this point in the year. Again like I said, to each their own on their opinion, just cause you don't agree with it doesn't mean anyone else's is wrong. Not saying you said that, but you know, just sayin'.
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  • I don't mean to derail this thread, but I was just thinking...if there was no lockout and we knew Hasselbeck was leaving before the 2011 draft, would JS try to draft Kaepernick in the 1st round?

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  • 4BlatantAgent9 wrote:So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt.


    Freudian slip?
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  • rsm650 wrote:I don't mean to derail this thread, but I was just thinking...if there was no lockout and we knew Hasselbeck was leaving before the 2011 draft, would JS try to draft Kaepernick in the 1st round?

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    I admit that I wanted us to draft Kaepernick even if it took our 1st round pick. I think there was speculation that he was pretty high on our board.
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  • thebanjodude wrote:Freudian slip?


    Freudian slip? I thought he was just listing known facts.
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    Freudian slip? I thought he was just listing known facts.


    Lol..... I'm thinking some of us need to get together and have a little exercise on facts vs opinions. And the typo....yea, android swype is junk.
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