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 Post subject: Re: Cardinals Head Coach Bruce Arians: Wilson>Kaepernick
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What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.


Peyton Manning's TD record for one. He's beaten each team in his own division. Oh and he's managed to accomplish not being a complete douche.

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Arians has also coached a two time super bowl winning quarterback and the quarterback who is probably going to the best quarterback in the league the next ten years. So yeah he's been around a few good ones.


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What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.


He's comparing playing styles and arm strength, not careers. WTF is wrong with niner fans on this board? last sentence pretty much sums up this poster for me...

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What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.

It's pretty damned debatable that Kaepernick "led" you guys to the Super Bowl. You were a play away from making it with Alexis Smith the year before. Says a lot more about the team around the QB than the QB himself.

You're taking too much credit away from your team and putting it in Kaepernick's hands. Plus, Kaepernick rode the pine for a year-and-a-half, never even able to take the starting job over Alexis Smith.

Wilson thus far in 2013 has more TDs, fewer ints, more passing yards, and a better passer rating than Kaepernick does, through the same # of games. What's also really telling about this is that Wilson doesn't have a fluffer game on his resume this year yet that's bumping up his overall stats by a noticeable margin like Kaepernick does with the "Green Bay's defense never left Wisconsin" game in the season opener. Pete resting him for like a 3rd of the Jacksonville game doesn't help Wilson's stats, either. Also, both teams have had a lot of injuries to overcome, O-line for Seattle and WR for SF mainly, and those things matter, but still.

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Is this even debatable at the moment? There isn't a talking head in the media or around the league who would say Kap is a better QB right now in the NFL than Wilson. Just watching the games tells you all you need to know. Could Kap go on to become an all time great or be better than Wilson? Sure he can although I don't see either happening but its possible. But at this stage of their careers its pretty hard to make an intelligent argument saying Kap is better than Wilson. Why is it hard for San Fran fans to admit that? I honestly hope both have great success and this is a rivalry for years to come. Just makes for fun football for everyone.


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What has he accomplished? Rookie record for TD's after winning the job late in the preseason and having one of the greatest rookie QB seasons EVER. Being undefeated at home to start his career. Winning a playoff game and almost a second which would of gone down as one of the greatest if not the greatest come from behind playoff performance ever regardless of rookie status or not. What do you mean what has he accomplished? That was one of the most uneducated posts I've seen on here. Not trying to be a jerk but thats just ridiculous....


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What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.


He's comparing playing styles and arm strength, not careers. WTF is wrong with niner fans on this board? last sentence pretty much sums up this poster for me...


The whole paragraph is incomprehensible. At least it is not full of name calling like most 49er homers resort to.


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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.


Kaepernick is fast, but WIlson is just as fast. At the combine Kaepernick = 4.53, Wilson = 4.55, hardly a significant advantage. Kaepernick is a long strider, but is significantly less adept and maneuvering around the pocket. Wilson is quicker than fast, Whereas Kaep is faster than quick. I'd rather have Wilson's short space explosion and escapability than Kaep's marginally superior straight line speed. The both have terrific arm strength. Kaep's may be a A+, whereas Wilson = an A. Both are more than adequate.



What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.

Wilson has lit up your all world defense the last 2 times he played them and the Kraeper has crapped the bed in both those games!

The only thing you left out was the 5 rings rant!

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This is now the 3rd time I have had to bring these numbers up to the lazy 49er fans who refuse to look up stats and just assume Wilson has accomplished nothing because he didn't go to the SB on the back of team that was already in the NFCC without him the year before.

Look, it's all summed up nicely here for you:

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Russell-Wilson%E2%80%99s-numbing-numbers-set-several-records/a7133c91-d30a-454a-89a6-d5b369b956e7

He tied the NFL record for TD passes by a rookie.

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Wilson also threw game-winning TD passes in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime three times – against the Green Bay Packers, New England Patriots and Chicago Bears – which was the most by a rookie QB since the NFL/AFL merger in 1970.


If it wasn't for RG3, Wilson would have set another record, but he'll have to just settle for 2nd best all-time:

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The NFL rookie record had been 98.1 by the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger in 2004. But Wilson (100.0) and RGIII (102.4) each surpassed it this season. A huge factor in that was Wilson (plus-16) and RGIII (plus-15) also bettering the league rookie record mark for TD/interception differential that was set by the Miami Dolphins’ Dan Mario in 1983 (plus-13).


Wilson set the single-season Seahawk record for passer rating.

Don't see Kaepernick on this list:
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Wilson finished fourth in the league in passer rating during the regular season behind the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers (108.0), Denver Broncos’ Manning (105.8) and RGIII. His passer rating in the red zone (107.5, with 18 TDs and no interceptions) was third-best in the league behind the New Orleans Saints’ Drew Brees (112.7) and Rodgers (109.9).


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He also fashioned a passer rating of 125-plus in three consecutive games against the Minnesota Vikings (127.3), New York Jets (131.0) and Miami Dolphins (125.0), which set another NFL rookie record.


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Wilson became the first rookie QB to begin his career 8-0 at home, and his passer rating of 123.6 at CenturyLink Field during the regular season led the league for home games


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And, again, Wilson was even better in the postseason, when his 102.4 rating broke the rookie record of 92.7


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By completing 252 of 392 passes during the regular season, Wilson’s completion percentage of .641 ranks third all-time among rookie QBs behind Roethlisberger (.664) and RGIII (.657).


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In the game against the Bills in Toronto, Wilson became the first player in NFL history to have three rushing TDs and also pass for a score in the first half of a game.


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Wilson completed an NFL rookie record 16 consecutive passes in Week 12 against the Dolphins, which was one shy of the club record set by Warren Moon in 1998.


And he set many team records.

And that was all in year one. 49er fans can shut up now about how Wilson hasn't accomplished anything in this league.

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And let us not forget that, according to all the media pundits and talking heads, RW did all that with a sub-par, mediocre, below average, et. al receiving corps full of no-buddy's.

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A bunch of awesome stuff


Cue the Niner's fans running in to tell us what Kaep has accomplished, completely missing the point once again.


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Kaepernick is the better athlete, Wilson is the better quarterback.

Man, if you put Wilson's brain, personality, and drive in Kaepernick's body, you'd have the best QB basically ever.

Wilson is the way he is because of what he had to overcome--his deficiencies define him. If he had Kaepernick's body he'd be a mentally lazy, bicep-kissing, gonnarhea-addled prima-donna gazelle...who would NOT have been drafted by the Seahawks.

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I heard Fitzgerald Sr. caught hell on twitter from irate 9ers fans. Never saw a follow-up story by Sr. to see if he expanded on talking with Arians.


Why shoot the messenger? He was just tweeting what Arians said


Because that's what 49er fans and players do... they shoot people.

Only over crack.

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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.


Kaepernick is fast, but WIlson is just as fast. At the combine Kaepernick = 4.53, Wilson = 4.55, hardly a significant advantage. Kaepernick is a long strider, but is significantly less adept and maneuvering around the pocket. Wilson is quicker than fast, Whereas Kaep is faster than quick. I'd rather have Wilson's short space explosion and escapability than Kaep's marginally superior straight line speed. The both have terrific arm strength. Kaep's may be a A+, whereas Wilson = an A. Both are more than adequate.



What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.

Wilson's a year younger. He took over a mediocre team his rookie year and upgraded them to a playoff team and won in the playoffs. Kaep was picking splinters out of his ass all through his rookie year. Wilson was the man from day one.

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This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


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This is a fun thread.Also Hawkfan72 and Lord of Scythia pretty much covered it. Nicely even.

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This thread should not be responded by any Niner fan that has a GD brain, Wilson is better than Kap right now. Kap is stuggling and not as accurate this year as he was last year. Also as one poster said his numbers could have been alot different against the Titans. But they were not yes his Reciever and TE bailed him out (is this not the task of a weapon). But Kap did not throw the game away he managed it and won with a complete team help. Yes Kap has little help at the reciever position and Boldin is not a seperation reciever. But old Tom Brady it winning with less. So the BS excuses need to stop. Also not to stir the pot or start crap but if the hawks run game was not as deadly as it is Wilson and the offense would stuggle MORE.


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Also not to stir the pot or start crap but if the hawks run game was not as deadly as it is Wilson and the offense would stuggle MORE.


Well, yeah, that's true of any QB. But the 49ers do have a run game, so I'm not sure that helps arguments in Kaepernick's favor.

It should be noted that the Hawks have been playing with mostly 2nd string on the line for a chunk of games, yet have still been able to produce strong rushing and passing performances despite that. Same for the Broncos. It shows that the QB is good no matter who is lining up to block for them.

The 49ers have one of the best O-lines in the league and their O-line has been fairly healthy, yet their running game and passing game have struggled badly this year at times.

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It does not help Kaps argument that was not the purpose. Just speaking more in terms of the progress between Wilson and Kap. I ask you this. What is the difference between both teams offense.

SF oline gets evened out by Marshawn tough runnnig
Both teams WR are average to not scary right now in my opinion
Marshawn and Gore are two completely different runners. My Niners rely on him hard.


SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long story Wilson and Kap has to be the difference and the difference is Wilson is having more success right now. Kap is struggling bad in my opinion. I have not been impressed since the GB game. The hawks right now are more balanced, hopefully that will change when the rest of our recievers come back hopefully healthy.


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Also not to stir the pot or start crap but if the hawks run game was not as deadly as it is Wilson and the offense would stuggle MORE.


Well damn, good thing it is as deadly as perceived. Love what Pete and John has done with this team. I think we're the most complete team in the NFL. Literally every position is good except for the a few spots on the oline which is bad. Good thing Unger is back and Okung & Giac is coming back too. So happy that Wilson, although doesn't have those FF nuts going crazy, has been the undisputed leader of this team and has done so much for us by leading the team to all those comebacks and victories. It's great; Russell Wilson. :179417:

Not saying Kaep isn't doing it either for the niners, but I just think Wilson is awesome. I like Kaep too and I think he's a good QB.

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It does not help Kaps argument that was not the purpose. Just speaking more in terms of the progress between Wilson and Kap. I ask you this. What is the difference between both teams offense.

SF oline gets evened out by Marshawn tough runnnig
Both teams WR are average to not scary right now in my opinion
Marshawn and Gore are two completely different runners. My Niners rely on him hard.


SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long story Wilson and Kap has to be the difference and the difference is Wilson is having more success right now. Kap is struggling bad in my opinion. I have not been impressed since the GB game. The hawks right now are more balanced, hopefully that will change when the rest of our recievers come back hopefully healthy.


That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.

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I wouldn't say Krapernick is totally stupid, even he likes the Dolphins better than the Whiners..


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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.


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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.


WE invest a lot of energy? You should take a look at 49ers forums. There are threads dedicated to trashing the Seahawks, containing thousands upon thousands of posts.


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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.




Totally missed his point.

Jeff George, in the words of Terry Bradshaw, could "throw the ball a country mile." But he had less success than plenty of less-strong armed QB's. Randall Cunningham and JaMarcus Russell are the two strongest i've ever seen. The difference in their level of success shows just how little arm strength matters compares to the other things that make a great QB.

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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?

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Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. 2-0 vs. Kaps Niners.

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Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. Nuff said.


Russell Wilson record against Colin Kaepernick: 2-0.


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Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. Nuff said.


Russell Wilson record against Colin Kaepernick: 2-0.


Beat me to my edit. Nicely done.

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There were a couple of Arizona sports hosts that said the same thing after facing Kaepernick and Wilson back to back.

Here's the podcast. It's about 16:50 in.

http://arizonasports.com/?nid=244&a=300 ... 0Hour:%201

They couldn't have been more impressed with Wilson. So we're not the only people seeing it.

Thanks! I actually enjoyed the rest of their discussion as well.

Hearing people bemoan their team's inadequacies is a comforting refresher for how far the team has come along.

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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

In his last 32 games Alex Smith has the best winning pct in the NFL. Not even Russell Wilson will match it.

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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.


The obsession is mutual. Go to the 49er boards and you'll see just as many, if not more, threads about the Seahawks and hatred towards them.

It's hilarious that the 49er fans on here think the Seahawks fans are the only ones obsessed with the opposition.

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Kaeperstank is a VERY good QB in my opinion. Russ is playing better right now, but CK is getting the job done there and is the better choice over Smith. RW is more consistent but they are both just kids. Neither one has been starting for 2 seasons.
For the small level of pro experience they are having they both sure are doing some damage to their opponents.

CK seemed to ride the hot receiver last year in Crabtree, some believe that he is a one read guy where I think Papaki just sees his first option open and hits it.

I always get a laugh out of those who think the Seahawks WRs are average because no one has a thousand yards. It was best explained by Bevell today. He said that they are getting the passes that they want, but there isn't a lot of passes to go around. That they could be a 50 attempts per game offense but that they are finding more success on the ground.

Then, of the 30 passes that they usually max out at, they are going to whomever the coverage allows, which ends up being 7-8 receivers, each getting around 4 looks a game give or take a few. Hearing Bevell was interesting and he totally made sense, but his comments pointed out how truly gifted Wilson is as he finds so many different guys which makes it difficult for defenses to provide help in coverage when they cant decide on who to take away.

Ehh.. Both these guys are going to have great careers, but the Niner fan who claims that Kaeperstank is better because he won 1 more playoff game than Russ did is the same kind of Niner fan that thinks they are going to destroy the Hawks in December because the team won 5 Super Bowl games over 20 years ago.

Those are the same Niner fans that in 2005 and 2008 were telling AZ and SEA fans that making it to the Super Bowl meant nothing, but in 2012 it is an accomplishment.

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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.

Best example of what Walsh said: Jeff George


You mean the Jeff George that had a 13 year NFL career and started over 100 games and threw over 150 TD's?

Yeah, you would have to suck to have a career like that.

And won absolutely nothing and was traded 4 times and I heard described as 'million dollar arm with a ten cent head' and by all reports refused to put much if any time in the film room. Yeah, that Jeff George. I will give him one thing though, he threw the best looking pass I ever saw this side of Joe Namath.

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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


He has a stronger arm, but I wouldn't call it a better arm. IMO Russell has a cleaner, more accurate delivery.

Bill Walsh once said that arm strength is one of the least important attributes of a good NFL quarterback.


Kaepernick is fast, but WIlson is just as fast. At the combine Kaepernick = 4.53, Wilson = 4.55, hardly a significant advantage. Kaepernick is a long strider, but is significantly less adept and maneuvering around the pocket. Wilson is quicker than fast, Whereas Kaep is faster than quick. I'd rather have Wilson's short space explosion and escapability than Kaep's marginally superior straight line speed. The both have terrific arm strength. Kaep's may be a A+, whereas Wilson = an A. Both are more than adequate.



What has Wilson really accomplished in this league? Granted, he's a nice story, being an undersized QB and doing pretty well. However, he haven't accomplished anything in this league. Kap thus far has had greater success, leading the Niners to the Superbowl in only his 9th start. Russell Wilson doesn't have anything like that on is resume, even though Russell Wilson actually has more game experience than Kap. Russell Wilson still have much to prove, so all you haters need to stop hating.

Back to Bruce Arians, Carson Palmer, his boy, never won a playoff game before, so he needs to shut up.


Are all Niners fans this brain dead? I mean honestly, does this guy live on another planet or what?

First of all, the discussion wasn't about accomplishments, it was about comparative quarterbacking skills, but since you brought up the subject and to add to what's already been mentioned in this thread to justify Russell's accomplishments, Russell took over a team that the year before was 7-9 with an offense that was ranked 28th in the league to an 11-5 record and an offense ranked 17th. This season, he has been the driving force that has improved that 17th ranking to #7 and the W/L record to 6-1.

So in just under 1.5 years and without any other significant additions to the Hawk offense, Russell has taken an offense ranked 28th to one that is currently ranked 7th and a team that was 7-9 to a team that has a conference best 6-1 and in nearly every circle, considered the leading candidate to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


I hope you see how your earlier post is a bit hypocritical and is what people are referring to. You're saying people here spend a lot of energy on talking about the Niners, but yet you're here going out of your own way to try and convince us about an opinion on Kaep? Granted, I'm not saying which is right or wrong, just stating the point people are trying to make, and to each their own opinion. I also agree with the bolded though. ;)

No need for the lame shots on the franchise. It's awesome that you guys won championships and have a ton of history. I respect that and would be lieing to say I didn't want that kind of history, but in reality, that's all it is, history, cool & neat, but it has no relevance to anything today.

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Not sure why I even engage this kind of stuff. No one said Kap was garbage. It would be crazy to say he hasn't struggled this year for sure. Wilson isn't great? Some very smart NFL minds disagree and considering all the things going on around Wilson his advanced stats put him in the top 5-10 in the NFL in year two of his young career. I think he borders on very good/ great already. that isn't homerism its just the truth and again, a ton of people around the league actually agree with that sentiment.

Like the previous poster already stated to take shots at the organization was ridiculous and wasn't even part of your original point. We are talking about Kap and Wilson. I think your QB has a chance to be great too down the road. I think he also has a chance to somewhat bust based on what I've seen. Thats what makes him intriging, nothing would surprise me to be honest.

Check out Fieldgulls recent work on advanced stats for Wilson. Profootballfocus has done some great work on this and another site that I'm drawing a blank on for some reason at the moment. People are afraid to say it for fear of being called overzealous homers but truth is he is borderline great already. Cowherd, Dilfer, Woodson etc have talked about it numerous times on espn. It is what it is.....


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Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.


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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.

Ahhhh the 5 rings/your trophy case talking points. Trolling 101, and you sound like a cowboys fan. BTW were you even born when SF won any of those trophys?

Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.

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......Also where were you after the 42-13 and 29-3 curbstompings???? Not here.

And he won't be here after the Hawks beat them in Frisco either.

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There is no question who the better QB is. Kaep is physically gifted, the man runs like a gazelle. He may be one of the fastest players in the NFL! He has a better arm than Wilson as well. So Kaep is faster, taller and has a better arm. In fact, the only place that Wilson has the edge is the place where it matters most, between the ears. Wilson = professor, Kaep = high school drop out.


Oakland signed a QB with the strongest arm I have seen. I mean the dude could launch it 60 yards sitting down. This is the reason that Oakland is such a dominating force in the NFL today.......

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I don't think many here realized my point. My point was Kaep is the better athlete but Wilson is the better QB (as another poster said it more succinctly i'll just copy him instead of trying to re-explain my post). I think it is without doubt that Kaep has the overall better physical attributes --the height is the main difference, then comes the speed/arm strength which in both cases I think Kaep has the advantage. But that does not matter, because Wilson is pretty damn good in all the athletic respects, but has the QB brain. He has the QB intangibles. Just like Golden Tate lacks the WR intangibles, Wilson has the QB intangibles in spades. His QB brain is far more important than the slight advantage Kaep has in the physical realm.


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Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.

We don't have to wait. Since youre a big fan of PAST history, SF lost 42-13 last time Seattle played SF with manningham and Crabtree.

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Yowzas!!! Seahawk fans invest ALOT of energy hating on the Niners. Almost as much energy in an attempt to convince themselves that Kap sucks and RW is raging phenom that just can't be stopped. Listen fellas, all these stats mean squat. Alex never had and still doesn't have "elite" QB stats, but he can get the job done. Same goes for both of our teams QBs. I'm not even gonna start throwing around who is better at what aspect of the game but I believe if some of you wipe RWs goo from your eyes, you might see it's a bit closer than u think.

So says a forty whiners fan on a Seattle board. Who's the obsessed one again?


So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.


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Honestly, I respect what R. Wilson has accomplished up to this point, however I believe he still has lot to prove. I like Russell Wilson, I just don't like the brash Seahawks and their fans. Most Niner fans are respectful of Russell Wilson. However, we don't agree that Russell Wilson is better. We do agree that at week 7, Russell Wilson has played better up to this point, do to significant injuries to the Niners receiving corps.

Let us wait until week 17 when RW has Harvin and Kap has Manningham and Crabtree to evaluate.


Keep seeing this from you Niner fans. "Just wait..." We all realize that they're both just getting started with their careers but you Niner fans refuse to admit the truth and I completely disagree about most Niner fans being respectful of Wilson.

In all seriousness, you (nor most of your fan base) will ever show respect. Even if Seattle tramples your team in Candlestick, RW passes for 450 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT and rushes for another 3 TDs, your fan base will simply pick a fall guy and dismiss every bit of it.

This is why it's pointless to try and have a level headed discussion with any of you guys. It's always a back handed compliment, a subtle dig to prop up your fragile egos or railing on about SF's storied history (which is a futile effort by the way as it has zero bearing on the 2013 football season).

I've tried to have these discussions on Niner boards and it has become apparent that discussion is pointless over there unless you are only there to grab your ankles for whomever will respond to your posts, troll or you simply enjoy reading LOL {insert emoticon} after every snide remark by a Niner fan, to a Seahawk fan. I've settled for trolling.

That said, by all means... keep posting, but at least pick a category and stick with it. Are you a kiss ass, a smart ass or do you simply enjoy our forum colors?

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This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


This should be a thread all on its own. How much of a mistake was it to give up on Alex Smith and turn to Kaep when it wasn't necessary? Alex Smith now leads the only team in the league to be 7-0, he led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game the year before he wsa benched, and with that experience he probably wouldn't have chocked in the Superbowl. It is all too possible that Harbaugh cost the 49ers a superbowl ring had Alex Smith been playing. Not to mention, they don't have him this year.

If Harbaugh was smarter, he may have stuck with Alex and brought Kaep along slowly, just like the Packers did with Rodgers.


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Seahawks record vs the Niners since Wilson took the helm? 2-1. 2-0 vs. Kaps Niners.

Nuff said.



Both games were in Seattle. Let see how he plays against the Niners at Candlestick Park.


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So my very first post ever on any Seahawks forum is considered obsessive?? C'mon man, that's clownish. It's not like I got on here bashing Russell, he's a god QB no doubt. But he isn't great....as of now anyways. Kap is ALSO a good QB, not garbage like some of u say. But what's the point, I guess if my teams trophy case was empty, I would throw around scores from a week 2 game also.



So you don't want to look at week 2 scores from this season or the last game we played last season, but will go back and say we have credibility because we won trophys 20 years ago.

Great arguement for credibility.

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This is a fact that 90% of all NFL fans know..... and for the record, Alex Smith is better than Kaep... Sorry 9ers fans but it's true... :stirthepot:


This should be a thread all on its own. How much of a mistake was it to give up on Alex Smith and turn to Kaep when it wasn't necessary? Alex Smith now leads the only team in the league to be 7-0, he led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game the year before he wsa benched, and with that experience he probably wouldn't have chocked in the Superbowl. It is all too possible that Harbaugh cost the 49ers a superbowl ring had Alex Smith been playing. Not to mention, they don't have him this year.

If Harbaugh was smarter, he may have stuck with Alex and brought Kaep along slowly, just like the Packers did with Rodgers.


Using that logic, Pete Carroll should have stuck with Matt Flynn. Lets face it, Pete Carroll took a lot of criticism for going with RW over Flynn. Early on, RW was pretty much a game manager until he became more comfortable with the speed of the NFL game.

What KC is going to learn with Alex is that he can take them only so far being a game manager, at some point you're going to need some dynamics from the QB position that Alex doesn't have. Also, Alex Smith and KC Chiefs have benefited from having the second softest schedule in the NFL. If Kap had the same schedule, the Niners would be 7-0 as well.

There is no way Alex would have brought the Niners back down 17 on the road against the Atlanta in their building in last years NFC Championship. All Niners fans know that. Let's not forget, in that game, that was Kap's 8th start. Russell Wilson played that same team the week before and couldn't pull that game out, although he did get close. Also, Kap came close to pulling out the Superbowl after trailing big time, save for a non-holding call on Crabtree, he would have.


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