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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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Carp should play NT

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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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IIRC, he hasn't even played football long, right?

I feel sympathy for the dude, actually. Being picked round one always comes with scrutiny. But even more so if the team that selected you was trying desperately to trade down. Then he blew out a knee. He busted his ass to get back, way ahead of schedule, but he didn't get any credit for that. His circumstances have not allowed him to ever get into NFL shape. Once he does, I think he'll be above-average and great in power run-game.

IMO, we dont know what he can be. And, I'm assuming Cable knows his stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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Just rewatched the shortcuts.

Carpenter had two big plays that stood out negatively. The false start and the hold.

He was the most consistent at holding the pocket. He was the most consistent at pushing his man off the line of scrimmage. One of the TD's Carp hits his man, stands him up, then drives him into the endzone.

He did struggle trying to engage a LB once or twice, and the DT 93 hits the gap faster two times. One time carp pushed that way because it was a roll out and the second time it was a run that way. Carp ended up pushing the guy right out of the play. But from my understanding allowing that penetration on the ZBS is a big no no.

He had one funny slow looking cut block and one really good looking one.

Overall I think he held the point of attack better than most on the pass, and really moved people off the line on running plays.

After re-watching that game I think I will re-watch the colts and Huston game. Also I think people give him less credit than he deserves because his gaffs are really obvious and his positives are subtle.

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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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The Texans game is the one that gave Carp some problems. He had Antonio Smith I think as his assignment but whomever it was, they were quick. The hold he got against the Titans was when #53 rushed him. He was a LB I think and his speed was a handful for Carp. If you try to physically dominate Carp, you are in for a battle.

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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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I just watched the first drive.. carp was awesome.
Left tackle got beat on every single play; except the Decided run play.

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McGruff wrote:
Carps biggest problem is that he's so massive that when he screws up, it's really stands out.

I give him a little leeway right now for being forced to played beside McQuistan.

But Bowie is becoming a revelation. Breno is good as gone.


That's what my untrained eye is telling me. Bowie's play made a jump against Tennesse! Lookout Breno.


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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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Bowie did make a huge leap, huh? Bowie's as at least a quality "depth" guy at this point.

Originally assuming Carp struggles, then after further review recognizing Carp's also flashes dominance, is good to hear. He's also just now matching his most consistent PT stretch in the NFL right? Certainly at Guard he is. So, he will get better.


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After watching another round of .GIFs from Fieldgulls, it's clear that Carpenter isn't just good on running plays, he's borderline elite. Has a couple "Walter Jones 2005" moments where he just walks his man ten yards downfield like he's nothing. His pass protection gaffes are, unfortunately, rather spectacular in the opposite sense, but Lynch isn't getting his yards because of McQ and Sweezy, I'll assure you of that. He's learning to trust Carp. Insulate Carp with a competent left tackle and I doubt Bailey unseats him any time soon.

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Ever since I saw this posted in a Field Gulls comment, I have not been able to get this picture of James out of my head.

This play was a Lynch screen (tripped on Lem) that turned into an incompletion.

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The Outfield wrote:
Ever since I saw this posted in a Field Gulls comment, I have not been able to get this picture of James out of my head.

This play was a Lynch screen (tripped on Lem) that turned into an incompletion.

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look at poor james, just wandering in the wilderness


This was the one game I have't seen, so I don't know the exact play, but if it was a screen, then often you will find the guards downfield to block for the screen. In that case, it wouldn't be odd to see carpenter out there like that.

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Also I think people give him less credit than he deserves because his gaffs are really obvious and his positives are subtle.
lol, welcome to life as an offensive lineman...

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If he was in shape we would give him less crap.

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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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McGruff wrote:
The Outfield wrote:
Ever since I saw this posted in a Field Gulls comment, I have not been able to get this picture of James out of my head.

This play was a Lynch screen (tripped on Lem) that turned into an incompletion.

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look at poor james, just wandering in the wilderness


This was the one game I have't seen, so I don't know the exact play, but if it was a screen, then often you will find the guards downfield to block for the screen. In that case, it wouldn't be odd to see carpenter out there like that.


No no no... This has always been my issue with Carpenter. Very strong and dominant at the point of attack, but gets beat with quickness and has a hard time making blocks at the second level. For a point of attack run blocker, he's very very good, but his lacking ability to effectively block quicker pass rushers and make blocks downfield has become a noticeable problem. Probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if he was a late round pick, but a 1st round pick on a one dimensional interior lineman is kind of disappointing. People can talk about his health, but we're talking about 3 years he's been with the team.


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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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If he was in shape we would give him less carp.

fixed that for ya

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 Post subject: Re: Carpenter vs A. Bailey and more OL questions
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I think this is James Carpenter's prove it year. His contract is guaranteed thru this year. But, next year .... his fourth year .... there are no guarantees.

James has 21 NFL starts and has played in 23 games. Unfortunately, one would be hard pressed to argue that his body of work, to date, warrants consideration for anything significant in the way of a second multi-year contract. However, with any luck, that outlook could change as the year continues to unfold. It's really up to Carpenter.

For anyone who might be inclined to think that Cable's interest in less mobile but very powerful specialists is waning, I think of the recent addition of Zach Allen to the practice squad as a contrary indicator.


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firebee wrote:
Probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if he was a late round pick, but a 1st round pick on a one dimensional....


Paging Bruce Irvin...

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