Who's Paying the Ref's?

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I've been holding back, but I have to comment now... The Ref's calling in this game against Indy was horrible and probably cost the Seahawks the game... I couldn't believe the holding calls and pass interference calls, it was incredible... Even when it was replayed you could see the calls were bogus! How does a team win on the road and battle the Ref's also... The Washington Huskies experienced that also at Stanford.... Ref's should not control the outcome of the game with bad calls in favor of the Home Team... :thfight7:
 

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How does an instant replay official, with absolute proof of a recovery in the endzone, say it is not a recovery?
 

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The NFL referees are paid by the NFL under a contract. The current contract spans for 8 years, and pays $173,000 for 2013. We are currently on year 2 of 8.
 

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why do the refs let the weakhawks db's get away with being so physical? when we play like that they throw flags like theres no tomorrow! my point is that i think the nfl wants the weakhawks in the superbowl

Found this on the '49er board...

Sound familiar?
 
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Largent80":edw08nrv said:
How does an instant replay official, with absolute proof of a recovery in the endzone, say it is not a recovery?


I agree completely, it should have been 6 and not 2, just one point out of about a 1/2 dozen bad calls in this game.... I'm complaining and venting... The loss hurts, but it hurts worse because I know from watching the game closely that we should have won, but deprived of the win by the Ref's...
 

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I hate to keep harping on this but it was a momentum killing penalty. How does an NFL level referee miscount how many guys is in a huddle?
 

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The officiating in this league as a whole is suspect . It's almost why play the Super Bowl Peyton manning already won it .isint that the script this year?
 

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Props to Indy, they played one hell of a game but I too was waiting repeatedly for make up calls. I won't say they cost us the game because we still had our chances and the truth is Indy played one hell of a game but I definitely felt like the NFL was trying to assist the Colts a little maybe to insure parody. There really was way to many times that you asked what the hell were they calling or why isn't Indy getting what seemed to be blatant calls.

Oh well, it sucks but reality is we still had our chances and we at least made it a good game. I do think Indy is a better team then I thought before.
 

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My brother is a huge Colts homer and he didn't see one bad call all game except he did say, "Huh? Interesting...We'll take it!" on the Tate OPI. I would hope that as a fan of not only the Seahawks but the NFL as a whole, that I would at least admit a blatant screw-job when I saw one and let others know that I admit we got some help, but he was proud with his team and the win. All I have to say is this was NOT the game I wanted to lose this year.... *deep breath* Om Om Om
 

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They call the flag on Tate and let Wayne get away with that shove, just indescribably bad.
BTW there was one for sure undisputable bad call. Clem had just gotten a turnover, all the momentum was with us and the ref miscounts the # of players in the huddle, that was such BS and it was a killer
 

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we get a announcing crew that wouldn't call the refs out like the beard and his partner. the pundits are drunk on how great the colts and luck are and they just won the super bowl beating the hawks. all the highlights from the game on nfl network are of the colts scoring and us at the end getting the int. and then proclaiming the colts ligit super bowl contenders. gee I don't see a fix at all.
 

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hawkfannj":376xc3g0 said:
The officiating in this league as a whole is suspect . It's almost why play the Super Bowl Peyton manning already won it .isint that the script this year?

lol I was thinking that...This is the "Jerome Bettis" Superbowl for Manning. Get one for Manning so he can retire. I just get that feeling. JUST LIKE with Ray Lewis last year.
 

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chawx":t76f9p00 said:
My brother is a huge Colts homer and he didn't see one bad call all game except he did say, "Huh? Interesting...We'll take it!" on the Tate OPI. I would hope that as a fan of not only the Seahawks but the NFL as a whole, that I would at least admit a blatant screw-job when I saw one and let others know that I admit we got some help, but he was proud with his team and the win. All I have to say is this was NOT the game I wanted to lose this year.... *deep breath* Om Om Om

At least you can laugh at him when manning hangs up 40+ points on that pathetic D in 2 weeks :D
 

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I don't know...
The refs were wrong on some calls, and it did affect the score.
But what cost them the game, was kicking FGs instead of scoring touchdowns.
They get that fixed, and nothing the refs do will stop them.
Unless they openly start tripping our guys or something!
 

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The book Scorecasting had a chapter on home field advantage. They covered the work a variety of researchers put together and did some cross-comparing to test the various theories about why the home team wins more often and their primary conclusion was unconscious referee bias. (They didn't look our stadium but I'm sure if they did, they would find our crowd noise to be a huge factor in our HFA considering Football Outdiers came to that conclusion using the same types of research). This coincides with some psychological aspects of our brains, like with us all having a part of the brain (I forgot what its called) that interrupts everything we hear and see as initially true. This basically means that tens of thousands of fans booing would indeed provide a degree of negative reinforcement toward making calls against the home team and thus influence their behavior whether anybody wants it to or not.

I suppose that we as Seahawks fans could gripe about this more than other teams considering if it were possible to have completely unbiased referees, we'd be one of the few teams to still have an advantage at home.. but that's too much whine for me. In the end, the same biases that assisted in us losing this game are the same biases helping us win more games at home and whether this is working for us or against us overall depends entirely on how high our potential play-off seeding is.
 

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davidonmi":2stzgkg9 said:
and let Wayne get away with that shove

TBH I think Wayne didn't get called for it because Browner was holding the sh!t of him for the entire play. If Wayne doesn't push off and make the catch Browner is getting called for PI on that play 100/100 times. Either they somehow missed all of this, or just didn't call it because they decided to just let them play. If you're holding and grabbing and get beat doing it, you can't complain too much, IMO.

Not commenting on any of the other plays, but on this one I think it's a pretty weak case.
 

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BirdsCommaAngry":2iwb95dc said:
The book Scorecasting had a chapter on home field advantage. They covered the work a variety of researchers put together and did some cross-comparing to test the various theories about why the home team wins more often and their primary conclusion was unconscious referee bias. (They didn't look our stadium but I'm sure if they did, they would find our crowd noise to be a huge factor in our HFA considering Football Outdiers came to that conclusion using the same types of research). This coincides with some psychological aspects of our brains, like with us all having a part of the brain (I forgot what its called) that interrupts everything we hear and see as initially true. This basically means that tens of thousands of fans booing would indeed provide a degree of negative reinforcement toward making calls against the home team and thus influence their behavior whether anybody wants it to or not.

I suppose that we as Seahawks fans could gripe about this more than other teams considering if it were possible to have completely unbiased referees, we'd be one of the few teams to still have an advantage at home.. but that's too much whine for me. In the end, the same biases that assisted in us losing this game are the same biases helping us win more games at home and whether this is working for us or against us overall depends entirely on how high our potential play-off seeding is.

Good post.

IIRC a lot of this research has been done with soccer stadiums.

One of the more interesting findings is that in terms of the refree bias you're talking about, there was a statistically significant effect for the distance between the sideline and the crowd. Essentially, the closer the crowd is to the field itself, the more the implicit bias. Don't know if anyone has done a similar study using median decibal level in the stadium, but it would definitely be cool to see.
 

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