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Hmmm. Who do I side with? Kearly or ol' Beergoggles? That's a tough one.

I agree with those who say it's a bit much to call the bomb to Williams "overthrown". Yes, it wasn't pin point perfectly placed. And Williams had to stretch a tad. But for a throw of that distance, it was very catchable. Would've been a nice catch, and not one I'd get on Williams for not hauling in (as Tim Ryan felt the need), but I don't see how you really make much of it being overthrown. The main point on a long bomb like that is to make it so your guy is the only one with a shot at the ball. This is all splitting hairs, really. But that's the way I saw the play. Now the Kearse pass, that was indeed pin point perfect placement.

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Seattle had several good looking drives

I went and checked and Seattle actually had the 6th-highest yards per drive in the first week. It helped that Carolina didn't turn it over in their own end zone to leave a short field, but this is why looking only at total yardage is deceptive with teams that chew up a lot of game clock. Of course, the flip side is that Carolina was pretty decent themselves at 12th.

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Seattle's last drive was their best one. They looked very much like themselves on that drive, which began at their own 7 yard line and ate up nearly 6 minutes of game clock.

I wonder why Seattle didn't do more of those fullback passes, earlier on. They worked extremely well last year.


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This is all splitting hairs, really.



Good post, Jordachian.

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So I'm wondering, if Carp just missed a couple assigments, can this just be attributed to rust ? I've heard some say he's a poor fit for our offensive line schemes. He missed the entire offseason. It stands to reason there's rust there, but I'm wondering if there's upside of he's just done.

I agree on the run blocking assessment. Defensively, it really only takes one or two good individual plays to defeat that matchup. Once that happens, it makes everything look bad. Then again, if the defense keeps making those plays, it's an indictment on the offense. Our overall stat line, and inability to run the ball most of the day would lead me to believe we were below average.

You have to make plays in the NFL. We lost some turnovers, and like Wilson said, you have to be great on 3rd down. Him missing Turbin on that blitz has even bigger ramifications. If a blitzer gets home, confuses the QB, or makes him inaccurate, then the pressure is working. The defense will keep blitzing until you beat them with it. You don't blitz Peyton Manning a lot as he makes you pay for it. Wilson better start figuring out how to beat that blitz. SF is going to see this tape and pressure the hell out of Wilson. The Cardinals LOVE to pressure and stunt up the middle (although this was with Horton...it may have changed). STL might be the best in the division with getting pressure with 4 down linemen. You HAVE to be able to beat pressure, or be doomed to getting pressured on the majority of your plays the rest of the year.

Wilson's a smart guy; I'm sure he'll see the tape and improve on it. You can also run into a blitz, and run away from a blitz and usually do some real damage. We ran right into a ton of run blitzing last game and didn't audible out of it.

Does anyone know.....is Wilson allowed to audible out of run sets to pass sets, and visa versa ?

Speaking of making plays, Sherman dropped a sure INT. Once again, if we make those plays, the game isn't nearly as close. It IS nice to see us win a game where all the plays didn't go our way, and we still grunted it out.


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Thanks for the analysis Kearly, it is always much appreciated.

The first couple of drives it really seemed to me that RW had no time at all to pass. Was I mistaken?

And, curious as to your thoughts on the PFF ratings. Seem like crap to me...

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You have to make plays in the NFL.

Speaking of making plays, Sherman dropped a sure INT. Once again, if we make those plays, the game isn't nearly as close. It IS nice to see us win a game where all the plays didn't go our way, and we still grunted it out.



True, however Greg Olsen missed several plays that could have harmed us early. It goes both ways.

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Thanks for the time put in Kearly. To be honest, this is about what I expected this game to look like, maybe even worse. Considering Carolina's already good front 3, with the addition of a monstrosity like Star Lotuleilei, and having Luke Kuechly in the middle, we had a tough assignment getting the running game going and keeping Russell's pocket clean.

Kudo's to the O-Line for their first game back against a great defense. Reminds me a lot of the Arizona game, except it wasn't 90 degrees and humid in AZ and we weren't facing Cam Newton.

I expect a lot of improvement this week going against an overconfident 49er team.

falcongoggles, not sure I would take PFFs first week analysis too seriously, it's too subjective with little to go on when comparing players against defenses. Later in the season they will have a better handle on who the good defenses are and will adjust accordingly. For example, watching nfl network today and they ranked the players with the most tackles, everyone of the highest ranked tacklers was on a losing team.

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 Post subject: Re: DVR review - Offense
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Im confused Kearly. How can you call the sack that Breno let through a "blind side hit"? Wilson was on his 3rd read (Turbin) and about to throw when he got sacked and hit in the arm. But Wilson looked right first, then center, then left, then he was sacked. But even though Wilson looked left, doesnt make the hit from the blind side as Wilson is right handed and even looked right first before looking left.

Essentially, blind side is the left side for him. Only Vick can get blind-sided by a DE from the left.

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Re-watching the game now. I'm even more miffed this time that Pete didn't use a TO with 58 seconds left in the half. 1st down on the 12, 2 TOs left. WTF?

Instead, the team has to run down the field (after Baldwin's catch), hurry to the line, then RW gets sacked and fumbles immediately thereafter.

I fully understand 2 TOs allows us to run the ball, but we were averaging like 2 yds a carry. No question if we were going to get in the endzone, we'd likely have to pass. Which means we didn't need both TOs and really didn't even need 1 (in that scenario), even if we had to settle for the FG. I love Pete...but it seems to me he tends to get a bit discombobulated, if not stupid, just before half time.

Edit: Just watched the 4th qtr drop by Williams. And I do mean...drop. It was a near perfect throw from RW. The general sentiment has been that it would have taken a "great catch" for Williams to bring it in. I now totally disagree. In fact, IF Williams stays in stride, it would've / should've been an easy catch. He is young and I'm certain understands his mistake. Still, he should to treat the entire team to acres of clams.


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Thanks man. If Carpenter's pass block is solid, I'm sure it won't be long until he regains the unofficial run-blocking mauler status we gave him. Although I am concerned about the pull blocks and second level blocks. He might be too slow (in more ways than one?) to pull that off.

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When you do a review of defense, I'd be curious to see what happened to Wagner.


I won't be.

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How do you know that the LB WAS his assignment?


I wondered about that. There was only one LB in the area, but Carpenter seemed to be looking for someone else. Still, it looked pretty bad, and the LB he could have blocked but didn't had a minor impact on the outcome of the play. Being terrible at 2nd level blocks is nothing new for Carp, btw.


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Thanks for the effort as always, Kip.

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Thanks for the effort as always, Kip.


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Regarding PFF, they had Rishaw Johnson down for a negative run blocking grade in our first preseason game. You know, the one where we were running on them for like 7 yards a carry with our backup line? Johnson has his issues to be sure, but he was our best run blocker that day.

How they gave Giacomini a +1.8 score in this game is a mystery to me. He allowed a sack, was called for holding, and was solid but not amazing in run blocking. That score reads like a typo. If he did that every game he'd finish with 16 sacks (worst in the NFL by a mile), 16 holds (probably also worst), and yet he'd have a higher PFF score than any lineman last season. So yeah, I am mystified by that score, big time. I like Giacomini, but he did not have a good game.

It's gotten to the point where I don't trust PFF for their OL grading anymore, good or bad. At least not right now I don't.

BTW, I do think if we are strictly grading on performance without context, then Seattle's OL definitely deserved a negative score on the whole. But that had an awful lot to do with factors beyond their control. Tom Cable was trying new stuff out and admitted he got too cute, and Carolina's fast front seven destroyed almost all of our developing rush attempts. The TEs at fullback spoiled good run blocking on a few occasions as well.


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Amazing review!!!
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-On the bomb to Williams, Williams appeared to be running full speed the whole way and seemed to be where he was supposed to be. Wilson over threw him.

Only problem I see is that a WR needs to catch the ball when he gets two hands on it. That was a beauty of a throw.

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Regarding the two deep passes, the difference is that Williams had to go full extension horizontally, whereas Kearse caught the ball high but exactly where he should. The Kearse pass was PERFECT. Not even an inch too far or too close. The Williams pass would have been an easy TD if thrown 12-18 inches less.

I do agree that throwing deep is hard to do, and you never expect QBs to be perfect every time. I would equate it to kicking a 55 yard field goal. It wasn't a great throw, Williams had a chance to bail Wilson out and couldn't do it. These are humans not robots, so blame is kind of pointless. But for the record, it was Wilson making Williams' job harder, not Williams dropping a great "should catch" pass.

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Only problem I see is that a WR needs to catch the ball when he gets two hands on it. That was a beauty of a throw.


I don't think it's realistic to expect a full extension catch two hands or not. It's 50/50 for most receivers in the NFL. We are spoiled rotten by Tate and Rice who always seem to catch those.

Basically, I'm not really blaming either party. 43 yard TD bombs are hard to do, and both Wilson and Williams came up just short. Not every QB can have the deep accuracy that Flacco and Andrew Luck have. And not every WR can haul in full extension catches at full speed every time.


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I thought Sweezy looked bad in the 2nd level too, whiffed a couple of times. I saw the Carp whiff, it was pretty unathletic looking. Overall I was very impressed with Carolina's front 4 plus Kuechly and one other linebacker, whose name I don't remember.

On PFF scores, they, just like Kearly, have to guess what assignments were. And just like any of us, they are assigning these grades from broadcast footage, not coach view. Which won't be out til Thursday, if Rewind is like last year. And if I recall correctly, PFF uses just one guy per team to assign those scores. Which makes it just as subjective as anything Kearly does. Besides, I am assuming you too have access to the same footage, Goggles, why don't you go through it and assign your own scores rather than rely on PFF? I know I don't rely on Kip, much as I respect what he does in his labor of obsessive love.

Also, to address Falcon goggles statement that the offense was awful, they scored on 3 of 8 drives, had another long drive that ended with the fumble in the 2nd quarter, and closed the game by eating 5:25 of clock on offense. I would not call that too bad, final score be damned.

I heard the Raiders coach today say that while he was happy that there was good effort from his guys, there are no moral victories, just wins and losses. Which made me wonder, why in a victory, are there so many talking about a moral loss? I don't mind criticism, but a lot of what I am hearing feels like pre niner angst and hand wringing more than real objectivity about defects.

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Im confused Kearly. How can you call the sack that Breno let through a "blind side hit"? Wilson was on his 3rd read (Turbin) and about to throw when he got sacked and hit in the arm. But Wilson looked right first, then center, then left, then he was sacked. But even though Wilson looked left, doesnt make the hit from the blind side as Wilson is right handed and even looked right first before looking left.

Essentially, blind side is the left side for him. Only Vick can get blind-sided by a DE from the left.


He was hit in the back and didn't see it coming. "Blindsided" is not a reference to alignment.


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I thought Sweezy looked bad in the 2nd level too, whiffed a couple of times. I saw the Carp whiff, it was pretty unathletic looking.


The Carp whiff wasn't really unathletic looking. He simply made no attempt to block the only guy really available. He just ran right by him. Kuechly didn't factor in the tackle but it was more of a head scratcher than unathletic.


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Im confused Kearly. How can you call the sack that Breno let through a "blind side hit"? Wilson was on his 3rd read (Turbin) and about to throw when he got sacked and hit in the arm. But Wilson looked right first, then center, then left, then he was sacked. But even though Wilson looked left, doesnt make the hit from the blind side as Wilson is right handed and even looked right first before looking left.

Essentially, blind side is the left side for him. Only Vick can get blind-sided by a DE from the left.


He was hit in the back and didn't see it coming. "Blindsided" is not a reference to alignment.


My point was, he should have seen it, at least the timing, because he looked right first after the snap. Him looking to the left at that point, I dont consider blindsided, because he should have known that guys was coming. Im not saying its Wilsons fault on that one, as I think Breno could have stalled him a bit longer, but Wilson should have anticipated that hit, as he should have seen it coming.

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My point was, he should have seen it, at least the timing, because he looked right first after the snap. Him looking to the left at that point, I dont consider blindsided, because he should have known that guys was coming. Im not saying its Wilsons fault on that one, as I think Breno could have stalled him a bit longer, but Wilson should have anticipated that hit, as he should have seen it coming.


I think you are partially correct so I won't argue. I've heard NFL coaches say that any sack that comes from the right side is on the QB (unless he's a lefty).

Giacomini did get owned on the play though. Wilson clearly did not expect pressure to arrive that soon.


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Nice one, Kearly. I'm looking forward to re-watching the game myself. I'm also looking forward to watching that Philly game. If we are moving away from the traditional blocking FB role, I wonder how much of that Chip Kelly style we might be able to pull off. The same way our coaches stole a few pages from the RG3 playbook last year, I'd be curious to see if we could wrinkle it up with some fast-paced flying around. We have plenty of speed, good hands, and great decision-making at the skill spots, but I don't really know what it takes to implement those kinds of plays and pace.

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My point was, he should have seen it, at least the timing, because he looked right first after the snap. Him looking to the left at that point, I dont consider blindsided, because he should have known that guys was coming. Im not saying its Wilsons fault on that one, as I think Breno could have stalled him a bit longer, but Wilson should have anticipated that hit, as he should have seen it coming.


I think you are partially correct so I won't argue. I've heard NFL coaches say that any sack that comes from the right side is on the QB (unless he's a lefty).

Giacomini did get owned on the play though. Wilson clearly did not expect pressure to arrive that soon.



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Question I have for you soapbox....

When should we realistically expect Wilson to start to shift protections, identify where the pressure is coming from presnap, change the play, and beat teams with his mind instead of his legs?

Brady and Manning are not fleet of foot but are hard to sack because of what they do presnap.

Wilson must take this next step.

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I'm just glad upon further review, by a highly intelligent poster, who has been doing game reviews for a while that the team didn't play as bad as it looked. No, it wasn't the best execution but given the circumstances, it wasn't all woe and catastrophe as some posters painted it out to be hitting their red alert buttons.

Good job, Kearly. Keep it up. One day you'll get paid for this.

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I say that because Kearse was able to leap vertically to get both hands on the ball whereas Williams had to stretch out horizontally and in the direction he was headed (ie overthrow albeit slight ie imperfect ie a bit short)


Agree to disagree, I suppose. -- thought both had an opportunity on decently placed bombs. Still expect both to be big play weapons throughout the season.


Agree with all of that! :thirishdrinkers:


I would have to watch it again but it seemed like Wilson held the ball a bit longer on the throw to Kearse and threw it more on a line rather than float it over. The Williams throw had more "touch" on it. Like I said, I need to watch it again but that's what I remember thinking in the moment. It looked like Wilson held a second longer and then put a little more on it while bring the trajectory down. Both throws were placed where only the WR had a play on the ball. That's the most important part. RW is just plain good. Period. Both Williams and Kearse will make plays this year.

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-Seattle's last drive was their best one. They looked very much like themselves on that drive, which began at their own 7 yard line and ate up nearly 6 minutes of game clock.


First of all thanks for the time and effort put into your breakdown. I appreciate it very much as I see many others on the board do.

Next, I'm used to looking at the offensive line as a unit. Particularly in zone blocking scheme it seems very difficult to conclude who is the weakest link in the chain. In my opinion, as a unit, the OL was miserable. Too much pressure, too soon on pass plays. No push or getting to the second level on running plays. Some claim that's because of how great the Panther front seven is, but I don't buy it. Our OL simply failed to make plays and do their job.

Finally, what changed in that final drive? Why couldn't they do that in any of the previous possessions?

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Finally, what changed in that final drive? Why couldn't they do that in any of the previous possessions?


Only saw the drive once while fully inebriated, but looked like they were just taking what the defense was giving them instead of going for the intermediate or deep ball.

Also Carroll said this:

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“We didn’t zero in early enough, where we could make the adjustments that we normally make. It just took us a while. At the end of the game, we were able to run the ball enough to make


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I thought Sweezy looked bad in the 2nd level too, whiffed a couple of times. I saw the Carp whiff, it was pretty unathletic looking.


The Carp whiff wasn't really unathletic looking. He simply made no attempt to block the only guy really available. He just ran right by him. Kuechly didn't factor in the tackle but it was more of a head scratcher than unathletic.

If you have Game Rewind, two eyes in fair working condition, and solely focus on James Carpenter's play over the course of the game you can reach no other conclusion than...he was absolutely terrible. You can excuse his poor performance by blaming injury, conditioning, rust, whatever. But, there can be no excuse for his complete lack of effort.

+ There were a half dozen plays where he simply gives up and doesn't block anyone.
+ There were another half dozen plays where he tries to block someone and whiffs badly.
+ There were a number of plays that were completely blown to pieces directly due to Carp's laziness.

I am not sure that he won a single block the entire game, although he did finally get to the second level on Turbin's big run, and at least got a paw on 58. Most of the time he was combo blocking with Okung / Unger or reaching a stalemate with the DT who generally appeared to be loitering to guard against Wilson taking off.

Contrast his play with McQuistan who was active every snap he got, occasionally getting blocks on multiple defenders. Even the holding call on McQ came after he successfully blocked the defender for like 4 seconds while Russell held the ball forever which eventually caused penalties on both Okung and McQ. Yes, McQuistan will give some ground on running plays on occasion but he can at least block and pull and slide step and basically be an offensive guard. Carp can't.

Why is he out there? Can anyone, ANYONE, point me to a game where this guy has actually played well? Ever? Clearly we have an investment in him and the front Office wants some return but this is dismal. Maybe they are trying to work him into shape, but to what end? He is fat, slow and he routinely commits the cardinal sin on a Pete Carroll team: He does not compete. Enough already...

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The Seahawks are forcing their hand with Carpenter. They most likely want him in better condition, and the weather in Carolina was perfect to get him into the mix and knock off all that injury rust and get his body in motion.

The fact remains though, Carpenter will decide his fate, he'll either step up or he won't and will be replaced after this season.

The Seahawks are throwing him out their to see what he has, we'll see if he can stick or not.

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If you have Game Rewind, two eyes in fair working condition, and solely focus on James Carpenter's play over the course of the game you can reach no other conclusion than...he was absolutely terrible. You can excuse his poor performance by blaming injury, conditioning, rust, whatever. But, there can be no excuse for his complete lack of effort.

+ There were a half dozen plays where he simply gives up and doesn't block anyone.
+ There were another half dozen plays where he tries to block someone and whiffs badly.
+ There were a number of plays that were completely blown to pieces directly due to Carp's laziness.

I am not sure that he won a single block the entire game, although he did finally get to the second level on Turbin's big run, and at least got a paw on 58. Most of the time he was combo blocking with Okung / Unger or reaching a stalemate with the DT who generally appeared to be loitering to guard against Wilson taking off.

Contrast his play with McQuistan who was active every snap he got, occasionally getting blocks on multiple defenders. Even the holding call on McQ came after he successfully blocked the defender for like 4 seconds while Russell held the ball forever which eventually caused penalties on both Okung and McQ. Yes, McQuistan will give some ground on running plays on occasion but he can at least block and pull and slide step and basically be an offensive guard. Carp can't.

Why is he out there? Can anyone, ANYONE, point me to a game where this guy has actually played well? Ever? Clearly we have an investment in him and the front Office wants some return but this is dismal. Maybe they are trying to work him into shape, but to what end? He is fat, slow and he routinely commits the cardinal sin on a Pete Carroll team: He does not compete. Enough already...


I think you are really overstating your position.

Game totals
McQuistan 19 plays 43 yards (2.26 Yards per play) 4 - 3 & outs
Carp 39 plays 285 yards (7.31 Yards per play!)

McQuistan played one more drive than carp and had 20 less plays. Every drive Carp was in for was successful.

You don't average 7.31 yards per play with your left guard not winning a single block as you say.


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On Carpenter, the all 22 showed a few bad plays early, with Carp doing some ugly forklift imitations. But I also noticed that as the game went on, the Panthers kind of stayed away from him, especially in the pass rush.

On the first down play that Lynch lost 5, Kip kind of laid the responsibility on Willson. It was Sweezy who really blew it. He had the responsibility of ZBS assist on the DT, then 2nd level on the LB. He didn't have to do much assist, then totally whiffed on Kuechly, who closed a big gap and redirected Lynch outside. Willson actually executed the block as assigned, there was no way he could know he would end up blocking his guy right into Lynch.

Twice, personal fouls could have been called that were not. Both Sweezy and Carp tried to cut block engaged linemen.

The Line seemed to me to be undone by a small number of really bad plays, some caused by seemingly bad communication. Unger snapped the ball early once, surprising everyone, and on that play Carpenter looked really bad as a DT just strolled by him to blow up an already blown up play. I struggle to see how that is Carpenter's fault, he had no chance to make a play even if he got off the snap, the gap left by Unger was that big. The sack and fumble in the red zone was an awful one on a miscue by Breno, he got deked into anchoring by the DE who kind of slowplayed him, then as he tried to re-anchor the guy got past him and was on Wilson in about 3 total seconds.

I would also say that Carolina has 3 really good run stopping linebackers, and our lack of a fullback who could pick one of them off was pretty clear in some our run game. I thought there were a few occasions where a cutback lane evaporated because our tight ends and fill in fullbacks didn't pick one of those linebackers off.

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Per Pete's presser Monday, the team is trying to be the best on scrambling QB. They have accepted this as a fact. What that tells me is RW will not throw from the pocket unless he has a clear throwing window or we need to throw it in clutch. He acrambles so that he can get an even better throwing lane than what he can or cannot see. The receivers are all running their routes and look back where if he is scrambling they run back or sideways away from the defender that is not scripted to get positive yards and move the chains. Dynamic plays, or when plays breakdown it is harder to defend against it. There is no ser pattern for these setups for people to learn. The only pattern will be RW scrambling a certain way and defenders figure out how to get to him. So everything has been molded to maximize RW skills which is exactly how it should be.


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-JR Sweezy allowed a pressure in the first half, but was otherwise solid in pass pro.

Sweezy -2.0 - tied for fifth worst score on team by PFF. If we consider that this score is accurate, either his run blocking was atrocious and thus brought the overall score down or his pass pro was not "solid"

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-For all Carpenter's struggles, he was actually pretty solid in pass protection.

Carpenter -2.3 - Lowest ranked lineman by PFF - something is not squaring here. What is your definition of solid?

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-Giacomini had a legit hold, and also surrendered the only sack of the game that I would put squarely on the OL. The sack he allowed was the one where Wilson was looking to his left and fumbled after the blindside hit, which cost Seattle at least 3 points right before half time.


Some of your strongest criticism for the only lineman that had a positive (and rather positive at that) score assigned by PFF.

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-The run blocking was a lot better than I expected.

End result i.e. 71 yards, 2.7 YPC would say otherwise.

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-Wilson had plenty of time to throw on numerous occasions, particularly 3rd down. When he did end up scrambling, it was almost always because of coverage, not protection.

If the pass protection was good then why did PFF assign these numbers?

Giacomini 1.8
Okung -1.2
Unger -1.3
Sweezy -2.0
McQuistan -2.2
Carpenter -2.3

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-Seattle had several good looking drives, and Carolina pretty much stayed in a base defense.

Head scratcher - the offense was brutal to watch


Who care what other sites rate them? Breno has the most obvious bad play of any of the OLmen. Breno got beat badly for the sack that ended a scoring drive before halftime. If you look at the play Breno makes a very odd move, to which the defender took advantage. The Sad part is WIlson have Turbin wide open in the flat and seemed to have saw him but never pulled the trigger.


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My only issue is characterizing Wilson throw to WIlliams as an overthrow.

To me that incorrect. An otherthrow as defined by me, would be any throw that does not give the WR/TE the opportunity to make a play on the ball.
The throw in the first quater that sailed 2-3 feet over Tate's outstretched hands was clearly an overthrow. This throw however hit Williams in both hands. In other words he gave Williams a chance with his throw. Was the throw 100% accurate? No, but it was probably 80% accurate, which is close enough (6 inches shorter and it would have been perfect). Therefore it hard to really give Wilson a negative mark for that.


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I thought the Williams throw was damn near perfect.

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Out of curiosity, how was the PT split between McQ and Carp? Which one played more. It seemed to me that the oline fared a little better in the earlier part of the game when Carp replaced McQ. Didn't really pay much attention to the oline after that.

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My only issue is characterizing Wilson throw to WIlliams as an overthrow.

To me that incorrect. An otherthrow as defined by me, would be any throw that does not give the WR/TE the opportunity to make a play on the ball.
The throw in the first quater that sailed 2-3 feet over Tate's outstretched hands was clearly an overthrow. This throw however hit Williams in both hands. In other words he gave Williams a chance with his throw. Was the throw 100% accurate? No, but it was probably 80% accurate, which is close enough (6 inches shorter and it would have been perfect). Therefore it hard to really give Wilson a negative mark for that.


I took it one further. Williams noticably slows down as he turns to look for the ball. Had he kept his current speed, he would have hit the ball in stride for a perfect catch and a TD. Only cause it took Williams a little longer to track the ball did it actually sail a few inches to far.

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I know this was an offensive thread, but the all-22 shows that KJ did not have a good time in coverage.

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You're right, KJ got lost and turned around, maybe more times than I have ever seen from him.

The Williams ball, although nearly perfect, was slightly overthrown. If you have a fast WR running a fade at full speed and he had to lay out, the ball is slightly overthrown. Not by much, mind you. Who gets more fault for the pass being incomplete, Wilson or Williams? The degree of difficulty is high, and you don't expect Wilson to hit every single one of them by any stretch, but that would have been one of the top plays on Sportscenter has Williams caught it. Like Kearly said, we're talking inches, not feet. Just a few inches shorter from Wilson, it is a TD. Williams could have caught the ball, absolutely, but that fact alone doesn't make it a perfect pass.

I was ready to blame Unger for Luto's game. And after re-watching some, yeah, the rookie kind of showed the All-Pro a little bit. But I also agree a lot of his freedom was by design, and all three guards didn't quite get to him on a few scoop blocks. He's going to be a player.

I need to watch again. Wilson still ran backwards more often than I would like to see. Do we not have hot routes, or are they not getting open? Something isn't right. Meh, I'm too lazy to figure out what. Will one of you address this at some point? Thanks!

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You're right, KJ got lost and turned around, maybe more times than I have ever seen from him.

The Williams ball, although nearly perfect, was slightly overthrown. If you have a fast WR running a fade at full speed and he had to lay out, the ball is slightly overthrown. Not by much, mind you. Who gets more fault for the pass being incomplete, Wilson or Williams? The degree of difficulty is high, and you don't expect Wilson to hit every single one of them by any stretch, but that would have been one of the top plays on Sportscenter has Williams caught it. Like Kearly said, we're talking inches, not feet. Just a few inches shorter from Wilson, it is a TD. Williams could have caught the ball, absolutely, but that fact alone doesn't make it a perfect pass.

I was ready to blame Unger for Luto's game. And after re-watching some, yeah, the rookie kind of showed the All-Pro a little bit. But I also agree a lot of his freedom was by design, and all three guards didn't quite get to him on a few scoop blocks. He's going to be a player.

I need to watch again. Wilson still ran backwards more often than I would like to see. Do we not have hot routes, or are they not getting open? Something isn't right. Meh, I'm too lazy to figure out what. Will one of you address this at some point? Thanks!

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When you do a review of defense, I'd be curious to see what happened to Wagner.


I won't be.



Well. That certainly was hurtful.

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