DVR review - Offense

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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:59 am
  • Thunderhawk wrote:If you have Game Rewind, two eyes in fair working condition, and solely focus on James Carpenter's play over the course of the game you can reach no other conclusion than...he was absolutely terrible. You can excuse his poor performance by blaming injury, conditioning, rust, whatever. But, there can be no excuse for his complete lack of effort.

    + There were a half dozen plays where he simply gives up and doesn't block anyone.
    + There were another half dozen plays where he tries to block someone and whiffs badly.
    + There were a number of plays that were completely blown to pieces directly due to Carp's laziness.

    I am not sure that he won a single block the entire game, although he did finally get to the second level on Turbin's big run, and at least got a paw on 58. Most of the time he was combo blocking with Okung / Unger or reaching a stalemate with the DT who generally appeared to be loitering to guard against Wilson taking off.

    Contrast his play with McQuistan who was active every snap he got, occasionally getting blocks on multiple defenders. Even the holding call on McQ came after he successfully blocked the defender for like 4 seconds while Russell held the ball forever which eventually caused penalties on both Okung and McQ. Yes, McQuistan will give some ground on running plays on occasion but he can at least block and pull and slide step and basically be an offensive guard. Carp can't.

    Why is he out there? Can anyone, ANYONE, point me to a game where this guy has actually played well? Ever? Clearly we have an investment in him and the front Office wants some return but this is dismal. Maybe they are trying to work him into shape, but to what end? He is fat, slow and he routinely commits the cardinal sin on a Pete Carroll team: He does not compete. Enough already...


    I think you are really overstating your position.

    Game totals
    McQuistan 19 plays 43 yards (2.26 Yards per play) 4 - 3 & outs
    Carp 39 plays 285 yards (7.31 Yards per play!)

    McQuistan played one more drive than carp and had 20 less plays. Every drive Carp was in for was successful.

    You don't average 7.31 yards per play with your left guard not winning a single block as you say.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:28 am
  • On Carpenter, the all 22 showed a few bad plays early, with Carp doing some ugly forklift imitations. But I also noticed that as the game went on, the Panthers kind of stayed away from him, especially in the pass rush.

    On the first down play that Lynch lost 5, Kip kind of laid the responsibility on Willson. It was Sweezy who really blew it. He had the responsibility of ZBS assist on the DT, then 2nd level on the LB. He didn't have to do much assist, then totally whiffed on Kuechly, who closed a big gap and redirected Lynch outside. Willson actually executed the block as assigned, there was no way he could know he would end up blocking his guy right into Lynch.

    Twice, personal fouls could have been called that were not. Both Sweezy and Carp tried to cut block engaged linemen.

    The Line seemed to me to be undone by a small number of really bad plays, some caused by seemingly bad communication. Unger snapped the ball early once, surprising everyone, and on that play Carpenter looked really bad as a DT just strolled by him to blow up an already blown up play. I struggle to see how that is Carpenter's fault, he had no chance to make a play even if he got off the snap, the gap left by Unger was that big. The sack and fumble in the red zone was an awful one on a miscue by Breno, he got deked into anchoring by the DE who kind of slowplayed him, then as he tried to re-anchor the guy got past him and was on Wilson in about 3 total seconds.

    I would also say that Carolina has 3 really good run stopping linebackers, and our lack of a fullback who could pick one of them off was pretty clear in some our run game. I thought there were a few occasions where a cutback lane evaporated because our tight ends and fill in fullbacks didn't pick one of those linebackers off.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:27 am
  • Per Pete's presser Monday, the team is trying to be the best on scrambling QB. They have accepted this as a fact. What that tells me is RW will not throw from the pocket unless he has a clear throwing window or we need to throw it in clutch. He acrambles so that he can get an even better throwing lane than what he can or cannot see. The receivers are all running their routes and look back where if he is scrambling they run back or sideways away from the defender that is not scripted to get positive yards and move the chains. Dynamic plays, or when plays breakdown it is harder to defend against it. There is no ser pattern for these setups for people to learn. The only pattern will be RW scrambling a certain way and defenders figure out how to get to him. So everything has been molded to maximize RW skills which is exactly how it should be.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:19 am
  • falcongoggles wrote:
    kearly wrote:-JR Sweezy allowed a pressure in the first half, but was otherwise solid in pass pro.

    Sweezy -2.0 - tied for fifth worst score on team by PFF. If we consider that this score is accurate, either his run blocking was atrocious and thus brought the overall score down or his pass pro was not "solid"

    kearly wrote:-For all Carpenter's struggles, he was actually pretty solid in pass protection.

    Carpenter -2.3 - Lowest ranked lineman by PFF - something is not squaring here. What is your definition of solid?

    kearly wrote:-Giacomini had a legit hold, and also surrendered the only sack of the game that I would put squarely on the OL. The sack he allowed was the one where Wilson was looking to his left and fumbled after the blindside hit, which cost Seattle at least 3 points right before half time.


    Some of your strongest criticism for the only lineman that had a positive (and rather positive at that) score assigned by PFF.

    kearly wrote:-The run blocking was a lot better than I expected.

    End result i.e. 71 yards, 2.7 YPC would say otherwise.

    kearly wrote:-Wilson had plenty of time to throw on numerous occasions, particularly 3rd down. When he did end up scrambling, it was almost always because of coverage, not protection.

    If the pass protection was good then why did PFF assign these numbers?

    Giacomini 1.8
    Okung -1.2
    Unger -1.3
    Sweezy -2.0
    McQuistan -2.2
    Carpenter -2.3

    kearly wrote:-Seattle had several good looking drives, and Carolina pretty much stayed in a base defense.

    Head scratcher - the offense was brutal to watch


    Who care what other sites rate them? Breno has the most obvious bad play of any of the OLmen. Breno got beat badly for the sack that ended a scoring drive before halftime. If you look at the play Breno makes a very odd move, to which the defender took advantage. The Sad part is WIlson have Turbin wide open in the flat and seemed to have saw him but never pulled the trigger.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:25 am
  • My only issue is characterizing Wilson throw to WIlliams as an overthrow.

    To me that incorrect. An otherthrow as defined by me, would be any throw that does not give the WR/TE the opportunity to make a play on the ball.
    The throw in the first quater that sailed 2-3 feet over Tate's outstretched hands was clearly an overthrow. This throw however hit Williams in both hands. In other words he gave Williams a chance with his throw. Was the throw 100% accurate? No, but it was probably 80% accurate, which is close enough (6 inches shorter and it would have been perfect). Therefore it hard to really give Wilson a negative mark for that.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:29 am
  • I thought the Williams throw was damn near perfect.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:31 am
  • Out of curiosity, how was the PT split between McQ and Carp? Which one played more. It seemed to me that the oline fared a little better in the earlier part of the game when Carp replaced McQ. Didn't really pay much attention to the oline after that.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:36 am
  • jlwaters1 wrote:My only issue is characterizing Wilson throw to WIlliams as an overthrow.

    To me that incorrect. An otherthrow as defined by me, would be any throw that does not give the WR/TE the opportunity to make a play on the ball.
    The throw in the first quater that sailed 2-3 feet over Tate's outstretched hands was clearly an overthrow. This throw however hit Williams in both hands. In other words he gave Williams a chance with his throw. Was the throw 100% accurate? No, but it was probably 80% accurate, which is close enough (6 inches shorter and it would have been perfect). Therefore it hard to really give Wilson a negative mark for that.


    I took it one further. Williams noticably slows down as he turns to look for the ball. Had he kept his current speed, he would have hit the ball in stride for a perfect catch and a TD. Only cause it took Williams a little longer to track the ball did it actually sail a few inches to far.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:39 am
  • I know this was an offensive thread, but the all-22 shows that KJ did not have a good time in coverage.
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:10 am
  • You're right, KJ got lost and turned around, maybe more times than I have ever seen from him.

    The Williams ball, although nearly perfect, was slightly overthrown. If you have a fast WR running a fade at full speed and he had to lay out, the ball is slightly overthrown. Not by much, mind you. Who gets more fault for the pass being incomplete, Wilson or Williams? The degree of difficulty is high, and you don't expect Wilson to hit every single one of them by any stretch, but that would have been one of the top plays on Sportscenter has Williams caught it. Like Kearly said, we're talking inches, not feet. Just a few inches shorter from Wilson, it is a TD. Williams could have caught the ball, absolutely, but that fact alone doesn't make it a perfect pass.

    I was ready to blame Unger for Luto's game. And after re-watching some, yeah, the rookie kind of showed the All-Pro a little bit. But I also agree a lot of his freedom was by design, and all three guards didn't quite get to him on a few scoop blocks. He's going to be a player.

    I need to watch again. Wilson still ran backwards more often than I would like to see. Do we not have hot routes, or are they not getting open? Something isn't right. Meh, I'm too lazy to figure out what. Will one of you address this at some point? Thanks!
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:11 am
  • You're right, KJ got lost and turned around, maybe more times than I have ever seen from him.

    The Williams ball, although nearly perfect, was slightly overthrown. If you have a fast WR running a fade at full speed and he had to lay out, the ball is slightly overthrown. Not by much, mind you. Who gets more fault for the pass being incomplete, Wilson or Williams? The degree of difficulty is high, and you don't expect Wilson to hit every single one of them by any stretch, but that would have been one of the top plays on Sportscenter has Williams caught it. Like Kearly said, we're talking inches, not feet. Just a few inches shorter from Wilson, it is a TD. Williams could have caught the ball, absolutely, but that fact alone doesn't make it a perfect pass.

    I was ready to blame Unger for Luto's game. And after re-watching some, yeah, the rookie kind of showed the All-Pro a little bit. But I also agree a lot of his freedom was by design, and all three guards didn't quite get to him on a few scoop blocks. He's going to be a player.

    I need to watch again. Wilson still ran backwards more often than I would like to see. Do we not have hot routes, or are they not getting open? Something isn't right. Meh, I'm too lazy to figure out what. Will one of you address this at some point? Thanks!
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Re: DVR review - Offense
Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:11 pm
  • kearly wrote:
    bestfightstory wrote:When you do a review of defense, I'd be curious to see what happened to Wagner.


    I won't be.



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