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Would be great to see a '12' in there somewhere.


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Love it. Only suggestion is to make it a little darker, more ominous. I think thats how other teams feel when they play us at Clink.


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Todd, the new header would make an awesome T shirt... just an observation :mrgreen:

Come to think of it, the current one would also :th2thumbs:

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I understand the desire for making changes, but I think the current header is classy and clean. It looks very professional. I love it.

The new ones that have been posted...not as much. I mean no offense whatsoever, but they're not nearly as good if you ask me.


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If we're going to talk about changing the 'header' of this site, I'd like to see some more ideas from people (anyone) that better utilizes the space available than we are doing now. I threw the following together in a couple of minutes to give an idea of what I mean. Also, being that the Seahawks have taken on a more 'matte' look with their current uniform, the next design iteration of .NET will also follow along with that theme. All of the 'shiny' effects and 'pinstripe' effects currently seen here will be gone.

One other note, the 'tagline' for Seahawks.NET is "The Voice of the 12th Man".

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I think the most recent pic posted is pretty nice.

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I still think we need a .net T shirt with the header design :mrgreen:

I know it's been tried in the past, but I suggest that money talks, and I'm more than willing to commit to what I can :th2thumbs:

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There are some damned good designers/artists here. I'd like to see more ideas and people getting involved.


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That is awesome, anguish.


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I really like Anguish's concept. It incorporates so many of the concepts very cleanly and on multiple levels.

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Perfect! So awesome, please please approve.

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Nice work, Anguish. I really like the style.

One thing to maybe consider is that ".NET" really is the main brand name of the site, it's what most people call the site, and that is one of the smallest parts of your graphic. I really think it should be more prominent, maybe find a way to switch the heirarchy of Seahawks and .NET and find a better balance?

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Anguish's is awesome. I would straighten out the cockeyed 12. It looks to playful, for some reason it reminds me of the Mariners. Other than that, I'm all in. Screen print that on a t-shirt and I'll sign up for a pre-order right now.


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I have to admit, Anguish, that you did an excellent job with your design!

Although ".NET" is the name of the site, I prefer seeing the name "SEAHAWKS" the larger of the two as that is the primary focus of the site. The message board is the means by which we discuss the Hawks.


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That last one, whoever made it, is perfect. I like the skewed numbers on the 12 personally, but would be curious to see a version with straight numbers.


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That last concept is money.


However, there are only ten feathers around .net, may as well add two more and make it legit.


Get this beast up before week one!


May as well enter the new era of Seattle football on .Net as well.

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I like it.

Busy design but all the design elements make sense and mesh with the team design elements (hopefully no copyright issues there?)

Needs the 12 feathers of course.

But also it needs to make the .net more clear, because a lot of people don't even realize to put .net and if the whole reason to brand is to get people aware of the site you don't want half your traffic to inadvertently go to Seahawks.com because they never noticed the .net potion.

And I have seen plenty of .net, .co and other sites that have that problem. Especially if someone finds your site through something like a Google search, never reads the url and is trying to find you again you want them to clearly remember the name of your site from looking at the branding.

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I keep coming to this thread. Aros did a really good job but Anguish came in with a really good logo concept and a great idea to better use the space. There has to be a couple more designers reading this thread and lurking. Show us what you got!


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To be fair, this logo has been on ice for quite some time. I've been working on a complete overhaul of .NET for quite some time, with all new software, and vector based designs. But, it seems that every season over the past couple of years, we have been met with hardware challenges that take precedence over the software challenges, and there're only so many free hours in a day to devote to this place.


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Anguish wrote:
To be fair, this logo has been on ice for quite some time. I've been working on a complete overhaul of .NET for quite some time, with all new software, and vector based designs. But, it seems that every season over the past couple of years, we have been met with hardware challenges that take precedence over the software challenges, and there're only so many free hours in a day to devote to this place.


Sounds like your job is getting in the way of your priorities.


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I'm loving the ideas put forward so far. Todd, that's classic .NET, I'm loving it! Neal, very cool and clean, loving that too.

Anyone else want to throw their hat into the ring?

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I think the two that incorporate the "12" are the two that I like best out of what I've seen so far. I do like the old design, but this is a new era and a new design to go along with that would be great

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Just got back from my trip...Some crabbing in Oregon over Labor Day Weekend...I wanted to get back to this thread...Personally, I prefer Anguish's design over mine. Logo design has never been a strong suit with me nor vector/Illustration design. I think the site needs to have that logo, or at least a version of that logo that has that matte/vector look to it. My logo stuff looks dated and that's okay to admit. :)

My stuff was simply "okay" but I think Anguish's logo/ideas is more refined on the direction NET needs to be visually. Sometimes, when you've been so close to something, for as long as I have (like with the look and feel of NET for instance) it's best to have others take a fresher perspective and approach. So in that spirit, I humbly step aside and will be pulling for that vector logo and style to be incorporated...Hopefully as soon as this Sunday.

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Just got back from my trip...Some crabbing in Oregon over Labor Day Weekend...I wanted to get back to this thread...Personally, I prefer Anguish's design over mine. Logo design has never been a strong suit with me nor vector/Illustration design. I think the site needs to have that logo, or at least a version of that logo that has that matte/vector look to it. My logo stuff looks dated and that's okay to admit. :)

My stuff was simply "okay" but I think Anguish's logo/ideas is more refined on the direction NET needs to be visually. Sometimes, when you've been so close to something, for as long as I have (like with the look and feel of NET for instance) it's best to have others take a fresher perspective and approach. So in that spirit, I humbly step aside and will be pulling for that vector logo and style to be incorporated...Hopefully as soon as this Sunday.


Well, unless someone else throws in their own idea, I think we have a winner.

Good thing the same guy that made the design will have to implement it. :) Go Anguish!

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If we're going to talk about changing the 'header' of this site, I'd like to see some more ideas from people (anyone) that better utilizes the space available than we are doing now. I threw the following together in a couple of minutes to give an idea of what I mean. Also, being that the Seahawks have taken on a more 'matte' look with their current uniform, the next design iteration of .NET will also follow along with that theme. All of the 'shiny' effects and 'pinstripe' effects currently seen here will be gone.

One other note, the 'tagline' for Seahawks.NET is "The Voice of the 12th Man".

So, to add to the conversation...
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Im diggin this. It's clean, and incorporates a lot without being overly done as well, nice! :th2thumbs:


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Anguish's is fantastic. That's my vote.


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Just to keep my design senses in the conversation, I too think the 12 should be perhaps not skewed whimsically. At least see a version where it's straight up and down? Also, definitely agree that there should be 12 feathers in the logo. :)

Love the idea of incorporating a weekly head-to-head graphic on the right along with the upcoming games and W/L totals along the way. I would go dark navy for the tabs at the top if the masthead background remains a lighter blue, or light grey or maybe even the lime green for the tabs if you go with a darker blue for the background.

I really dig the vector look. I liked FieldGulls logo when I first saw it. Clean, professional.

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If we're going to talk about changing the 'header' of this site, I'd like to see some more ideas from people (anyone) that better utilizes the space available than we are doing now. I threw the following together in a couple of minutes to give an idea of what I mean. Also, being that the Seahawks have taken on a more 'matte' look with their current uniform, the next design iteration of .NET will also follow along with that theme. All of the 'shiny' effects and 'pinstripe' effects currently seen here will be gone.

One other note, the 'tagline' for Seahawks.NET is "The Voice of the 12th Man".

So, to add to the conversation...
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That is awesome!

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I also like the vectored graphic, Looks clean and sharp, albeit pretty cluttered with all the elements included.

Some opinions/feedback:

1) The logo seems out of place with the existing color scheme and layout. We should move away from the heavy gradient use if we are going with the flattened logo. IMO, the forum should be re-skinned to better match current the team.
2) I might say get rid of the mountain in the graphic, it is too prominent and makes the hawks logo feel 'sneaky'.
3) As others have said, the 12 being angled is visually off. Think it would be nice straight up and down. It is also a bit too hidden IMO. With the tagline we already account for the '12' aspect, so not sure the graphic really needs such a big visual cue there too. Something more subtle would help keep it clean (like the small 12 logo inside jerseys?)
4) The chat buttons are tough to look at as is, very large and bright, doesn't fit with the overall schema.
5) Think the head to head and W-L elements are too much together. To keep things clean, Id go with just one, and if I had to pick, it would be the W/L bar.


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If your going to retain the feather symbols on both sides of the .NET, remember that
the count is suppose to add up to 12 feathers for the 12th man. Not 10 feather symbols.


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To me, the logo looks like 102, instead of a 12 with a circle graphic centered on he 12. I actually think you could simplify it, lose the 12 (you still keep"voice of the 12th man"). Add 2 feathers, remove the mountain. Make the Seahawks.net box a bit bigger, that way you can make .net larger and fit the feathers in.


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To me, the logo looks like 102, instead of a 12 with a circle graphic centered on he 12. I actually think you could simplify it, lose the 12 (you still keep"voice of the 12th man"). Add 2 feathers, remove the mountain. Make the Seahawks.net box a bit bigger, that way you can make .net larger and fit the feathers in.


Now that you mention it, I can see that. Maybe making the 12 smaller and incorporating it inside the circle, or perhaps since it says home of the 12th man, leaving it off and putting the 12 feathers around the top of the circle? I also think that maybe .NET should be a little larger and a bit more of a focal point instead of the way it looks like it's just kind of hiding out in there now. Just bouncing ideas out

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Yep, make the NET larger, incorporate the 12 perhaps inside the circle and dump it from outside the circle. I truly wouldn't mess with it too much. Maybe tweak the design elements where the Hawk eye/logo resides (perhaps to fit the 12?) and the other small suggestions. But this isn't a redesign project (in regards to the logo) IMHO...Just some refining and slap that puppy up!

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I like it maybe incorporate 12 in there somewhere? Maybe watermarked or faded between the E and the T? Just an idea

EDIT: In reference to original design post.

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On the Anguish design, regarding the skewed 12. Lots of comments to straighten it up.......I like it skewed a bit, but how about this: If the 1 and 2 were straighten, but curved back on the edges, like if you were to look at this logo on the side of a aluminum beer can....so that it had a wrap around 3-D like effect. That way, they are straight, but it ties in better to the overall curvature of the design. Otherwise, I really like this change and look forward to it on the site.

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Very nice work Aros..I tried the links you provided and it says that the files were corrupted when sent as attachment..so..im not sure. I have never tried this sort of thing, but it looks like it would be fun.


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I have the blank up, but the layered psd file says corrupted.. go hawks


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.Net is going to look fresh.

I vote to keep the 12 crooked. A it has shows character, looks a little chaotic (seems like a good fit for a football forum), and the crooked numbers provide a nice sense of movement (again fitting for a football website) drawing viewers eyes from one side of the Icon to the other.

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I have to agree that the roundness of the logo combined with the placement of the 12 made me think baseball rather than football.

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I found some time to work on a new header logo idea today...I've passed it on to Management and while I await to hear from them, I thought I would toss this out there to the masses for evaluation. I am not married to it (so no you won't offend me if you don't like it) but I do think it would be awesome to go into Game 1 with an updated header graphic, especially incorporating the ubiquitous feathers that are a large part of our new uniforms.

Whether it's this design or another one, I think it would be great to have a new header graphic in time for opening day.

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On a serious note. I like Aros 3rd (I think) update the best. The one with the big 12. Though I think the green and gray stripes are too thick and feel out of place, they just cut through everything. The stripes shouldn't go over the 12 and I don't like the 12 fading. Possibly switch the Seahawk eye and the 12 around. Also I don't like the feathers on the background, it's too much, it would be like the Seahawks feathers all over the jerseys instead of on the stripes and numbers.

I like Anguish's design as well, but it looks to me like it says "102" instead of 12 because of the round logo. Also I'm not a fan of the gradient background or the color of the tabs. I do however really like the schedule and the helmets being included. I also like that the 12 looks like the numbers on the actual jerseys.

A combination of the 2 designs would be great.

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Work has started to slow down a little, so I'll give it a shot and see what I can come up with. (I know you're all anxiously waiting on pins and needles to see what I come up with) ;)

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It looks VERY cool. I'm straining hard thinking of ways to improve it, the only think I can think of is that the Hawk eye is just a little awkward, it bumps up above it's space and feels crowded behind the "N". Not sure how I'd make it better, it would be a challenge. If it was me, I'd experiment with overlaying the eye over the N, or creating more space for it. It would probably look worse but I would experiment just to see. Right now it kind of looks like it's stashed in a tiny corner behind the N in this version.

Agreed with others that the dot in .net should be a dot instead of a square.



What you're talking about is visual tension, its created when the lines of two different objects are too close to each other, the lack of space is displeasing to the human eye.

My suggestion for a fix would be to add the Hawk head to the right of the logo, where the blue and grey strip run off.
I think the strength of the header is its simplicity and clean look. Well done.


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Warning, monster graphic alert!


If we're going to talk about changing the 'header' of this site, I'd like to see some more ideas from people (anyone) that better utilizes the space available than we are doing now. I threw the following together in a couple of minutes to give an idea of what I mean. Also, being that the Seahawks have taken on a more 'matte' look with their current uniform, the next design iteration of .NET will also follow along with that theme. All of the 'shiny' effects and 'pinstripe' effects currently seen here will be gone.

One other note, the 'tagline' for Seahawks.NET is "The Voice of the 12th Man".

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Im diggin this. It's clean, and incorporates a lot without being overly done as well, nice! :th2thumbs:

Love it. Just need to alter the green color of the words on the forum to match the new header.

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To be fair, this logo has been on ice for quite some time. I've been working on a complete overhaul of .NET for quite some time, with all new software, and vector based designs. But, it seems that every season over the past couple of years, we have been met with hardware challenges that take precedence over the software challenges, and there're only so many free hours in a day to devote to this place.

While I typically keep things on the microscopic side - a vector based site layout would be awesome for the old timers! If I understand it correctly - on a vector based site one could zoom in as much as they wanted on everything and not get any of the jaggies.

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While I typically keep things on the microscopic side - a vector based site layout would be awesome for the old timers! If I understand it correctly - on a vector based site one could zoom in as much as they wanted on everything and not get any of the jaggies.


He's referring to how the design elements are created, not the entire user interface itself. It's all based on how the graphics are developed. Two primary types are raster and vector. I'm a raster designer. Meaning I use Photoshop for most of my design work...Photoshop is mostly a raster-driven program (think images, graphics that have a finite resolution). Illustrator is a vector-driven program. Designing images in Illustrator are great for limitless resolution. There's a certain "look" to vector artwork. Although photorealism is obtainable with vector, it tends to have a flat, matte look to the design. Once an image is on a web page however, resolution is not the separating issue, it's only when preparing a file where resolution separates itself from raster to vector artwork.

In other words, you create a raster image at a certain size. It cannot be enlarged (only kept the same size or reduced size) without losing quality. With vector, you can create artwork at any size and you can still save it to be as large as you want when opened (an .ai or .eps file is the norm). For instance, I can create a vector logo at 6" x 4" and save it so when the client opens the file, it will be as large as a billboard without any quality loss if that is what they need it for.

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