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Hawks are road favorites in season opener.

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We shouldn't be. Carolina is a much better team now than the one we faced last season. We have key players that will/might not play. The oddsmakers are dumb here. JMO.


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We shouldn't be. Carolina is a much better team now than the one we faced last season. We have key players that will/might not play. The oddsmakers are dumb here. JMO.


Much better team? You're stretching; try yoga.

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We shouldn't be. Carolina is a much better team now than the one we faced last season. We have key players that will/might not play. The oddsmakers are dumb here. JMO.


Russell Wilson is now 20-5 against the spread, including preseason and postseason. They are probably being dumb here, but in the other direction. ;)


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I think Seahawks win by 10+.

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I think Seahawks win by 10+.

At least 10, but then again I'm a homer! :229031_shrug:

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Hawks are road favorites in season opener.
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ugh, Seattle is a much better team than when both teams played each other last season.

I think Seattle will win and win comfortably.

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Jonathan Stewart is on the PUP list so won't be playing against us. Looks like their other backup RB Mike Tolbert is also questionable for our game.

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I think Seahawks win by 10+.

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I expect a sloppy game, and as much as I like our prospects for the season, this one concerns me. Getting out with a win by a field goal will be just fine by me.


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My main concern about this game is that it is a bigger deal for them then it is for us.

1) It will be tempting for the Seahawks to look past Carolina a little bit. I'm sure Carroll will do his best to get the team focused only on Panthers, but at the same time you have to think that the Hawks have been game planning around the 49er home opener a lot more than most teams prepare for their second opponent. That isn't a criticism either as that 49er game will effectively count double. We also made the playoffs last season with a paltry 3-5 road record and so while the fans would flip out over a loss, the players would not.

2) In contrast to this, Carolina has been looking squarely at Seattle for months. Their second game is against the Bills, they do not play a single divisional game until week seven, Ron Rivera is a defensive head coach who faced heavy criticism over the usage of the read option early last season, and Shula needs his offense to be successful early to build some confidence in the system. Their only other home game in the first five games is against the Giants, so they know that remaining competitive in the division will require taking care of business against good opponents.

3) Whether it is still reality or not, there remains the perception that the Seahawks are a vulnerable team on the road, especially in 10 am games. As such, I really think Carolina is going to show up for this one regardless of what the power rankings may say.

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I thought we would beat the Arizona Cardinals by ten points last season

so I'm going keep my mouth shut this time.


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I think Seahawks win by 10+.


This. I dunno what everyone is worried about, that Carolina team is a paper tiger if ever I saw one. They have a decent front 7 and that's it. We own Cam Newton, their offense basically sucks, and their secondary sucks. Seahawks are a much better team all over the field than these chumps.

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I think Seahawks win by 10+.


This. I dunno what everyone is worried about, that Carolina team is a paper tiger if ever I saw one. They have a decent front 7 and that's it. We own Cam Newton, their offense basically sucks, and their secondary sucks. Seahawks are a much better team all over the field than these chumps.


I think we'll win by 10+ too but I also wouldn't be surprised if this game is sloppy and gets down close to the wire before we clearly have won.

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I said elsewhere that this game concerns me more than the 'Zona game did last.

I want us to win and propell us to the upcoming weeks game at home against the ninnirs. But our guys could be looking past this game because of that.

Again, winning this game could be our season. Sets us up for the following weeks game and a chance to start out 2-0

Lose this one and we could start out 0-2 which makes the rest of the season look pretty grim.

So lets hope the winters work on handling the early games shows up here. If not with those other 2 games back to back early in the schedule our season dreams of a Superb Owl could be finished after the first 5 weeks.

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We shouldn't be. Carolina is a much better team now than the one we faced last season. We have key players that will/might not play. The oddsmakers are dumb here. JMO.


Russell Wilson is now 20-5 against the spread, including preseason and postseason. They are probably being dumb here, but in the other direction. ;)



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Well, I hope you all are right. Really. I am just worried about our weaknesses on the D-line, O-Line, and various injuries/suspensions(MRob, Carp, Clemons, Bennett, Irvin, Avril). Also, paper tigers or not, I see more talent on Carolina's squad(other than RB) than others here. I am not the only one who feels this way either.
This is a crucial game IMO. With our upcoming schedule, we need all the wins we can get. If we win this, I don't care if it's by 1 point or 20. Wins all count the same.


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I wouldn't be shocked if they laid an egg for a few reasons:
1. Extreme heat and humidity
2. D line injuries against a team that can really run it
3. 10am start
4. Possibility of the typical Carroll era bad start to a game that they can't recover from because they aren't in top form yet

That said, when healthy, the hawks clearly SHOULD be able to handle a team like the panthers, so hopefully they do what they need to do and bludgeon them.


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This sounds eerily like the Arizona game on the road to open last season, sure, but a couple things:

1. This year's first game Russell Wilson is not last year's first game Russell Wilson.

2. This team has shown time and again they can come back even down against a good team.

3. We're worried about how the team's looked in preseason, when they haven't played half the starters who should be fine for game one.

It's okay to be worried. If the 'Hawks should win this one, let them step up and show they can. It may be an ugly win, but they should be able to get the job done.

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This sounds eerily like the Arizona game on the road to open last season, sure, but a couple things:

1. This year's first game Russell Wilson is not last year's first game Russell Wilson.

2. This team has shown time and again they can come back even down against a good team.

3. We're worried about how the team's looked in preseason, when they haven't played half the starters who should be fine for game one.

It's okay to be worried. If the 'Hawks should win this one, let them step up and show they can. It may be an ugly win, but they should be able to get the job done.


Can't argue with a thing, but to quote Chuck Knox, the only thing ugly in football is losing :th2thumbs:

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Can't argue with a thing, but to quote Chuck Knox, the only thing ugly in football is losing :th2thumbs:


Yep! Concur; with the caveat that "losing" also includes losing key players, a la a Pyrrhic victory.

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I wouldn't be shocked if they laid an egg for a few reasons:
1. Extreme heat and humidity
2. D line injuries against a team that can really run it
3. 10am start
4. Possibility of the typical Carroll era bad start to a game that they can't recover from because they aren't in top form yet

That said, when healthy, the hawks clearly SHOULD be able to handle a team like the panthers, so hopefully they do what they need to do and bludgeon them.

Sadly, I agree with this. Carolina is going to be TOUGH. And I have a feeling Seattle is going to get off to a slow start, trying to find thier way. Remember, not how you start, it's how you finish and that might be the theme this season.


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Can't argue with a thing, but to quote Chuck Knox, the only thing ugly in football is losing :th2thumbs:


Yep! Concur; with the caveat that "losing" also includes losing key players, a la a Pyrrhic victory.


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This sounds eerily like the Arizona game on the road to open last season, sure, but a couple things:

1. This year's first game Russell Wilson is not last year's first game Russell Wilson.

2. This team has shown time and again they can come back even down against a good team.

3. We're worried about how the team's looked in preseason, when they haven't played half the starters who should be fine for game one.

It's okay to be worried. If the 'Hawks should win this one, let them step up and show they can. It may be an ugly win, but they should be able to get the job done.



Feels more like Miami to me. I hope Seattle doesn't get too conservative thinking they can win that way.


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And I have a feeling Seattle is going to get off to a slow start, trying to find thier way.


We had a very slow start in a LOT of games last year, I hope that theme doesn't continue.

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And I have a feeling Seattle is going to get off to a slow start, trying to find thier way.


We had a very slow start in a LOT of games last year, I hope that theme doesn't continue.


That is the most worrisome aspect of our game to me. We saw it quite a few times in the regular season last year, and both times in the playoffs. In fact, even counting the defensive collapse, it's probably the main reason we lost in Atlanta. If we'd have held on and not let things get out of hand early, when we finally got our heads in the game and started playing like we were capable of, we could have pulled away instead of struggling to catch up.

That aspect of our game is probably the single greatest threat to our winning a Super Bowl any time soon, because all it takes is one game to let things get away from us and not be able to recover.

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This sounds eerily like the Arizona game on the road to open last season, sure, but a couple things:

1. This year's first game Russell Wilson is not last year's first game Russell Wilson.

2. This team has shown time and again they can come back even down against a good team.

3. We're worried about how the team's looked in preseason, when they haven't played half the starters who should be fine for game one.

It's okay to be worried. If the 'Hawks should win this one, let them step up and show they can. It may be an ugly win, but they should be able to get the job done.



Feels more like Miami to me. I hope Seattle doesn't get too conservative thinking they can win that way.


God...there was enough run, run, pass, punt in Miami to make me vomit. That was the worst game of the year for me, easily. If that happens on our first 2 or 3 possessions in Carolina I will be beside myself.


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My humble opinion: I think this game is a keeper if we can do one thing:

1) Score more than they do.

Just kidding - I think actually two things will make it more probable that we win - and I actually have a lot of confidence we will do this:
1) Limit the big plays of Carolina - I sincerely doubt they will put together too many sustained drives. This means third and long conversions have to be kept to a minimum - as I believe that we match up well from a personnel point of view. Of course there is the Cam Newton factor - the guy is freaky fast and can throw a monster deep ball.
2) Pound the rock to the point that play-action is indefensible - This means 2nd level blocks on the LB corps of Carolina - limit what Kuechly can do to you, then the passing game will be burdensome for them. I would be very surprised if we didn't have at least a 60/40 split run/pass.

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We shouldn't be. Carolina is a much better team now than the one we faced last season. We have key players that will/might not play. The oddsmakers are dumb here. JMO.


They oddsmakers are dumb because we'll beat Carolina by double digits.

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Panther fan here. This should be a very good game. Im interested to see how our offense will look against a good defense, its a good test for week 1. Our secondary is somewhat suspect but our front 7 is no joke, if you guys can protect Wilson it will be a vey easy day for him because there will be receivers WIDE open. On the other hand if we get pressure on him it bodes well for us.

I don't mean to sound biased but the x factor in this game is Cam Newton if he's on he's damn near unstoppable, running, throwing it doesn't matter if he's on his game. The key for you guys will be to stop our running game. If Cam can get any help from our backs (he lead the team in rushing last year) lookout.

I predict an ugly game much like last year with not a lot of points scored. 20-17 Panthers.


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Hawks are road favorites in season opener.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/


It's a common mistake this spread, there's suppose to be a "0" after the three. :sarcasm_off:

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And I have a feeling Seattle is going to get off to a slow start, trying to find thier way.


We had a very slow start in a LOT of games last year,



No. We absolutely did not. I debunked that myth a week or two ago. On 8/9/2013, actually. And kearly acknowledged it. Nuff said.

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Panther fan here. This should be a very good game. Im interested to see how our offense will look against a good defense, its a good test for week 1. Our secondary is somewhat suspect but our front 7 is no joke, if you guys can protect Wilson it will be a vey easy day for him because there will be receivers WIDE open. On the other hand if we get pressure on him it bodes well for us.

I don't mean to sound biased but the x factor in this game is Cam Newton if he's on he's damn near unstoppable, running, throwing it doesn't matter if he's on his game. The key for you guys will be to stop our running game. If Cam can get any help from our backs (he lead the team in rushing last year) lookout.

I predict an ugly game much like last year with not a lot of points scored. 20-17 Panthers.


Well...you may have forgotten, but we handled Newton quite easily last season. Running/mobile QB's don't intimidate our defense ... we completely shut down Kaepernick last December as well. Our speed and attention to detail is impressive.

I think it will be a low scoring game again, for sure. Your front 7 is legit. I sure hope that stubborn Pete doesn't go into this game trying to run the ball all game long like we did in Miami last season or we won't have a good chance. We need to throw, throw and throw.

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Here is the rub that favors Seattle against Newton, it's not pass rush as we didn't have a great pass rush last season outside of the Green Bay game, it's the front 7 speed + coverage. No WR can get open deep (Cam loves throwing deep), we make teams dink and dunk up the field and this requires patience; this is also why I'm not afraid of Palmer with Arians. The speed of the defensive front seven combined with size and speed of our outside corners means we can get to the line of scrimmage as quick as the Panthers running game and Newton should he decide to run. As long as Seattle is stout up the middle that limits the run as well.

Now, Carolina can still win on offense if they play patiently and Cam takes what is there and limits turnovers. The flip side is Seattle has a great offense running the conservative passing game, running the ball, in addition to the option/pistol/and deep threat. Also, Carolina is another team where man to man, not many Panthers are head and shoulders above the Seattle player at position to position.

Biggest worry for Seattle, no Clemons or Bruce, they bring a lot of talent to the front seven against a team like Carolina and I'm not sure Avril can replace Clemons at this point but I feel pretty good about Bennett if he plays strong side end.

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Panther fan here. This should be a very good game. Im interested to see how our offense will look against a good defense, its a good test for week 1. Our secondary is somewhat suspect but our front 7 is no joke, if you guys can protect Wilson it will be a vey easy day for him because there will be receivers WIDE open. On the other hand if we get pressure on him it bodes well for us.

I don't mean to sound biased but the x factor in this game is Cam Newton if he's on he's damn near unstoppable, running, throwing it doesn't matter if he's on his game. The key for you guys will be to stop our running game. If Cam can get any help from our backs (he lead the team in rushing last year) lookout.

I predict an ugly game much like last year with not a lot of points scored. 20-17 Panthers.


Well...you may have forgotten, but we handled Newton quite easily last season. Running/mobile QB's don't intimidate our defense ... we completely shut down Kaepernick last December as well. Our speed and attention to detail is impressive.

I think it will be a low scoring game again, for sure. Your front 7 is legit. I sure hope that stubborn Pete doesn't go into this game trying to run the ball all game long like we did in Miami last season or we won't have a good chance. We need to throw, throw and throw.

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Attack that pathetic Panthers' secondary all game long. That should open up the run game as the game progresses.

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No. We absolutely did not. I debunked that myth a week or two ago. On 8/9/2013, actually. And kearly acknowledged it. Nuff said.


Based on what? Also, I decided to check this myself based on points, and it certainly appears that I'm right based on points scored/allowed overall based on half. Here, I added them up; and the only reason offense is virtually dead even is because of the three games in a row towards the end where we had first-half blowouts.

Seahawks offensive points scored in the first half and the second half, then defensive points allowed in first half and second half:

Week 1: 3/13, 10/10
Week 2: 13/14, 7/0
Week 3: 7/7, 0/12
Week 4: 7/6, 13/6
Week 5: 6/10, 3/9
Week 6: 10/14, 17/6
Week 7: 6/0, 3/10
Week 8: 17/7, 14/14
Week 9: 20/10, 17/3
Week 10: 14/14, 7/0
Week 12: 7/14, 7/17
Week 13: 10/13, 7/10
Week 14: 38/20, 0/0 (lol)
Week 15: 31/19, 17/0
Week 16: 28/14, 6/7
Week 17: 3/17, 7/6
Week 18: 13/11, 14/0
Week 19: 0/28, 20/10

Offensive totals: 233 points scored in the first half, 231 points scored in the second half. Three outlier games in a row starting with the Cardinals bumped the first half total up DRAMATICALLY. We scored more points in the second half of a game 8 times, and scored more points in the first half 8 times; an even split, with two games allowing the same number of points in both halves. Factor in the fact that defenses get tired towards the end of games, and you should see more offensive scoring in the second half than the first, on average. The only reason this is even is because of that three-game hot streak we had towards the end of the regular season. It took that just to even it out; otherwise, there's a pretty good difference in points scored in the first half versus the second half.

Defensive totals: 169 points allowed in the first half, 120 points allowed in the second half. When you again remember to factor in the fact that defenses tire towards the end of games along with us having blown several games in the 4th quarter last year, that is a mightily impressive differential. The Seahawks allowed WAY fewer points in the second half than in the first half, on average.

BFS, can you link the thread you're referring to? I don't recall it, and I'd like to see what it's based on; because the overall scoring trends sure agree with the assertion that we were slow starters as a team more often than not.

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Gotta pound the rock all...fricken....day

That's going to be very tough. Open the run game up first by attacking the secondary.

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I'm thinking in terms of eating up clock, keeping our D fresh, and wearing them out in the 4th quarter.

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I think it will be a low scoring game again, for sure. Your front 7 is legit. I sure hope that stubborn Pete doesn't go into this game trying to run the ball all game long like we did in Miami last season or we won't have a good chance. We need to throw, throw and throw.


I agree. If Rice and Miller are active for the game, there's no reason not to destroy the field outside of the box.

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If Carolina was smart, they'd just run the ball down our throats with the makeshift D-Line we're going to have. Which also worries the hell out of me for week 2 if we don't start getting some of these guys back.

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If Carolina was smart, they'd just run the ball down our throats with the makeshift D-Line we're going to have. Which also worries the hell out of me for week 2 if we don't start getting some of these guys back.


This would worry me more if DeAngelo Williams was any good and Stewart wasn't out. Same with Frank Gore and the 49ers.

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