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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:08 am
  • SmokinHawk wrote:Force feed him in game four. Give him enough work to get a couple deep bruises, which would allow us to stash him on IR. :mrgreen:


    That might be my strategy if I was PC and JS. He has very little chance of making the 53 man roster, so figure out a way to get him onto the IR for this season.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:08 am
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    Sarlacc83 wrote:If we go by the 3 season rule, then it's too early to give up on him. Just like Tate. However, if he's a non-entity in practice, then there's not much you can really do this point but hope he clears waivers.


    Herein lies the dilemma. Do we keep him on the roster as the #6 WR - at the expense of another position we could use a body -or risk him to waivers and hope?

    And then what happens when Harvin gets activated?

    No wonder John Schneider sounded so tired on the radio today...this stuff has to weigh on him and Pete.


    When the time comes to clear a spot for Harvin, we'll have at least 6 weeks of real game film with the 1's to help with the decision.
    Maybe all the WR play lights out (One of those "good problems"), or one is clearly way behind and it makes the decision clear.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:10 am
  • Basis4day wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:
    Sarlacc83 wrote:If we go by the 3 season rule, then it's too early to give up on him. Just like Tate. However, if he's a non-entity in practice, then there's not much you can really do this point but hope he clears waivers.


    Herein lies the dilemma. Do we keep him on the roster as the #6 WR - at the expense of another position we could use a body -or risk him to waivers and hope?

    And then what happens when Harvin gets activated?

    No wonder John Schneider sounded so tired on the radio today...this stuff has to weigh on him and Pete.


    When the time comes to clear a spot for Harvin, we'll have at least 6 weeks of real game film with the 1's to help with the decision.
    Maybe all the WR play lights out (One of those "good problems"), or one is clearly way behind and it makes the decision clear.


    Yes, but I doubt there will be much "film" on Harper as the #6 WR. I'd be surprised if he is even activated on game days.

    The dilemma is do we eat a roster spot because we want to keep him or throw caution to the wind and hope he clears waivers.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:12 am
  • It's a pretty safe bet we'll try to keep at least one WR on the PS.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:18 am
  • Yes, but I doubt there will be much "film" on Harper as the #6 WR. I'd be surprised if he is even activated on game days.

    The dilemma is do we eat a roster spot because we want to keep him or throw caution to the wind and hope he clears waivers.


    I was more speaking of the WR core as a whole. Whomever goes into the regular season as the lowest WR of the chart isn't guaranteed to stay there. When we need to make room for Harvin the FO will know who the real contributors are.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:25 am
  • Dilemma?

    Theres no dilemma. If he makes it to the PS, great. If he doesnt, who cares. Not every 4th rounds WR is gonna make it. And he has shown no reason why he should.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:26 am
  • Greg do we care? Are we caring? Would we fret if it was Harper catching the deep balls and Williams not showing much?

    I think we would say great draft pick and shucks the FA pick up did not work out. We can say the same thing but reverse it.


    Problem: Need a wr that is big and physical that can take the ball away from a defender and make a deep catch.

    Solution: Pick up Williams FA and draft Harper.

    Results: Williams has shown to be able to be physical and take balls away from the defender and catch the deep pass. Harper has not shown fans if he can catch the deep pass or be physical in the NFL.

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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:00 pm
  • Harper has not earned a roster spot with his play.

    I am fine with going 5 WRs until we get Harvin back as the 6th. A lot of teams go 5 even without a 6th coming back, and if there are injuries where we need to fill in our roster, there will always be guys out there on the PS, whether it's ours or someone else's. Clark seems like a good bet to slip through waivers, and he's looked better than Harper.

    Maybe another team claims Harper, but I haven't really seen much yet that would make me care even if they did. If we can keep Harper via the PS then great; he's a classic PS type player.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:13 pm
  • HawkFan72 wrote:If anything, I think they would look at the pick as worth it for the competition alone. If getting Harper int he mix pushed Kearse and Williams to work harder to make the team and tap into their potential, then I would think the Harper pick was worth it.

    I agree with your take completely; they said throughout the draft process that it was going to be tough for rookies to make the team. As a result, they brought in a bunch of guys with high upside but question marks in other areas to provide competition for the existing players. Some of those will stick and some won't but it isn't the end of the world if our late round draft picks get cut and end up on practice squad or another team.

    For those worried about 2014, remember that we will have free agency plus another full draft before then. Even if Harper survives the season on practice squad he will still be competing for a spot on the 90 man roster next offseason with all of the new WR we bring in to compete every season.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:14 pm
  • Every year we think we have it made at WR and almost every season players get injured/nicked up and we never seem to have enough quality depth.

    If a spot is between Harper and Williams, then let em have at it vs. Oakland and the best player wins.

    If not PS squad or another team grabs him....that's pretty much it.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:22 pm
  • WRs take time to develop, and Harper was raw coming out. That was no secret to the Seahawks when they drafted him. I know everyone wants everything right now, but I'm betting Harper is stashed on the 53 somehow, at least until Harvin comes back.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:30 pm
  • Fuzzman55 wrote:WRs take time to develop, and Harper was raw coming out. That was no secret to the Seahawks when they drafted him. I know everyone wants everything right now, but I'm betting Harper is stashed on the 53 somehow, at least until Harvin comes back.


    Hey its possible. But lets be honest here. The way NFL players are being coached up through High School and College, we do expect more right away now. This isnt the same league as 10 years ago. These players are way faster, way stronger, and way smarter when it comes to football. We should have all expected that reality. There will always be projects, but too much talent is available at a higher frequency. If you cant cut the cake right away, someone else will.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:42 pm
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    Fuzzman55 wrote:WRs take time to develop, and Harper was raw coming out. That was no secret to the Seahawks when they drafted him. I know everyone wants everything right now, but I'm betting Harper is stashed on the 53 somehow, at least until Harvin comes back.


    Hey its possible. But lets be honest here. The way NFL players are being coached up through High School and College, we do expect more right away now. This isnt the same league as 10 years ago. These players are way faster, way stronger, and way smarter when it comes to football. We should have all expected that reality. There will always be projects, but too much talent is available at a higher frequency. If you cant cut the cake right away, someone else will.


    I definitely get that line of thinking, but look at Golden Tate. Can you imagine moving on from him in his first or second year because he wasn't putting it together on gameday? Now, to be fair to Tate, all you ever heard from practice was that he was ripping it up and making spectacular catches. We haven't heard Harper praised at that level. But if the Hawks made the Harper pick knowing his development might take some time I'm not sure they're going to change course now.

    Also, Williams seems to be a roster lock to a lot of people, and he probably is, but how many years has he been in the league? Talk about a slow development. Harper could possibly be the better player when his ceiling is reached. How much better can William be? This is obviously the stuff coaches get to see in practice that we have no idea about.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:52 pm
  • What would really be interesting would be if they had drafted Quinton Patton. We'd really be wringing our hands over what would happen with the cuts and when Harvin returns
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:12 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:Harper's only on the fringe because Kearse and Williams have flashed a ton in camp and in pre-season. I think the sudden depth we have at WR is unexpected. People around here were ready to dump Kearse and considered Williams a long-shot before camp started. Just bad luck and timing for Harper. If it's me, I'm rolling the dice that he'll clear waivers and hit PS, especially since he's likely competing for a spot with our backs and O-linemen.


    This is true. We went from WR as a perceived problem spot to WR as a perceived strength in very little time. And it is a dilemma. Harper has a lot of potential to be a big time player. That he hasn't developed as quickly as some would like puts us at risk of losing what we felt was a future asset at receiver. Our bump receiver is no longer a guy like Bumpus who couldn't make it anywhere else either, and it isn't a guy like Obomanu who reached his ceiling as a backup receiver and special teamer. Harper's shown the potential of being another quality receiver, but happens to be too green and undeveloped to make an impact on the 53 right now. Therein lies the dilemma.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:25 pm
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:31 pm
  • I am in the camp that thinks he makes the 53 but will probably not be active on game day. Harper was raw even in college. His tape screamed project but he had some unique characteristics that when developed could allow him to become a very good player. It is not as if JS and PC thought they were getting a polished player when they drafted him, there is no way they could have from watching his college tape. They were willing to take him in the 4th round (ahead of guys that were much more NFL ready right now like Patton)because they were willing to let him develop. I do not see how their minds would suddenly change on that now.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:36 pm
  • could be his potential as a receiver is better or worse then say another position with someone on the fringe.. at what point do you decide to keep the better potential over a position? you could make a statement that there are weaker position groups that we will cut simply based on top end potential?

    for example.. consider this..
    we carry 10 db's usually. and 9 are awesome and one has the potential to be an average DB some day.
    And we have harper who lets say sucks now but has the potential to be the best receiver of all time.
    when cutting to you Single it to the position group or do you look at the entire teams position groups, I mean we are talking about depth. and future depth at this point right?

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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:11 pm
  • pcbball12 wrote: I do not see how their minds would suddenly change on that now.


    The sudden and unexpected emergence of Kearse and Williams as NFL-ready talents is what I think would change their minds. This is information they didn't have back in April. If the choice was among Harper's potential, Obamanu, or Charly Martin, then there wouldn't be much of a dilemma. It's just bad timing for Harper. We have an embarrassment of riches at WR, and we just don't have the space to stash someone for the sake of development.

    I'm not saying he's a sure-fire cut, but I think the top-5 is basically set in stone. With Harvin due back at some point in the season, it's going to be hard to justify keeping Harper, especially with tough decisions to be made at RB/FB/OL.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:18 pm
  • This is what you do

    PC - Hey Harper come over here
    Harper - what up coach
    PC - OK I want you to play lights out then in the 2nd half I want you to run a route and just fall down and grab your leg
    Harper - ok coach whatever you say

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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:27 pm
  • I think Harper is waived and will clear waivers as he's not shown much in preseason play. I'm not so sure he's actually being considered as the 7th best WR on the roster. He's got great size and great potential but is a lot like Durham and hasn't shown enough. Whatever the team does with him is fine with me as Harper would for sure be axed if there was another roster need and when Harvin returns anyway.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:39 pm
  • I think Harper has been quiet in preseason by design. I think they are not giving him many reps so that there won't be stats or film for other organizations to scout. Schneider and Co. have been quite mum when it comes to discussing our receivers with the media.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:49 pm
  • If your gonna try to stash a guy I would not try to sneak him thru waivers if you like him, too many WR's down right now all over and teams will take a flyer on a body like his just to see if he can be a threat to take coverage off your established guys.

    I'm sure if he is as raw as advertised he gets turf toe or a hyperextension of his lymph node or something that will IR him while he learns about the NFL.

    If they truly need a guy they just bring back Swain for a game or 3 and he bounces back and forth like Butler did a few years ago.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:42 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:
    pcbball12 wrote: I do not see how their minds would suddenly change on that now.


    The sudden and unexpected emergence of Kearse and Williams as NFL-ready talents is what I think would change their minds. This is information they didn't have back in April. If the choice was among Harper's potential, Obamanu, or Charly Martin, then there wouldn't be much of a dilemma. It's just bad timing for Harper. We have an embarrassment of riches at WR, and we just don't have the space to stash someone for the sake of development.

    I'm not saying he's a sure-fire cut, but I think the top-5 is basically set in stone. With Harvin due back at some point in the season, it's going to be hard to justify keeping Harper, especially with tough decisions to be made at RB/FB/OL.

    Going back to when we first claimed Williams off of waivers, JS has made it clear how high he was on him. He went as far as saying he was his 2nd rated YAC receiver in the entire 2010 draft. The team has been high on Kearse since last year, even though probably not expecting quite the emergence that he has had this preseason. I am assuming JS knew that both of them would look better and quite frankly be better than Harper is this year, considering how raw Harper looked from college tape. Harper could very well be cut like most think he will, I just don't think it is that easy.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:59 pm
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:59 pm
  • You don't make a long-term investment in the stock market and then sell it after a few months because it hasn't made you a million bucks yet.

    Getting rid of Harper this quick would be a bad move for the organization and believe there would be teams chomping at the bit to have him on their 53.

    He's a rookie and many of you are acting as if he's a 5 year vet who is a not living up to their potential.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:02 am
  • Hawk Strap wrote:Harper sucks


    You take that back.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:24 am
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:You don't make a long-term investment in the stock market and then sell it after a few months because it hasn't made you a million bucks yet.

    Getting rid of Harper this quick would be a bad move for the organization and believe there would be teams chomping at the bit to have him on their 53.

    He's a rookie and many of you are acting as if he's a 5 year vet who is a not living up to their potential.


    No, were acting like the depth is just good, and you cant keep every WR.

    And with the new CBA, playing the draft stock market is a different game. You can bail easily on a 4th rounder and never look back.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:39 am
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    fridayfrenzy wrote:You don't make a long-term investment in the stock market and then sell it after a few months because it hasn't made you a million bucks yet.

    Getting rid of Harper this quick would be a bad move for the organization and believe there would be teams chomping at the bit to have him on their 53.

    He's a rookie and many of you are acting as if he's a 5 year vet who is a not living up to their potential.


    No, were acting like the depth is just good, and you cant keep every WR.

    And with the new CBA, playing the draft stock market is a different game. You can bail easily on a 4th rounder and never look back.


    How does the new CBA make it easier to bail on a 4th rounder?
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:03 am
  • Best guys win the jobs, compete or die. It's the rule here.

    The team will of course keep him around if they can but he needs to show he's better than others or has the realistic potential of being so soon.

    Whatever the team decides will have carefully considered.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:08 am
  • Mark Legree and EJ Wilson know this team shows no loyalty to draft picks.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:13 am
  • Even with a good showing tonight, Harper's best case scenario is practice squad.

    That's my guess, practice squad. For no other reason than he has potential and Pete and John don't want to take the 300k signing bonus hit for cutting him.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:22 am
  • TCS wrote:I agree with Bob. They have to force feed Harper to see what he's "got", but even then it's just pre season. I wonder if JS has "buyer's remorse" when it comes to the Harper pick? I for one didn't think Kearse would take the strides he's taken from last year to now, and Williams has been outstanding stretching the field. There is such a small sample size with Harper that he simply might fall by the wayside because of the log jam at receiver. Good problem to have I guess...

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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:48 am
  • Throw 10 lbs on him, convert him to Joker a la Delanie Walker.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:11 pm
  • Well the dilemma is over....Harper dropped too many passes tonight. Ones that were right in his hands.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:32 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Well the dilemma is over....Harper dropped too many passes tonight. Ones that were right in his hands.


    That about sums it up.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:17 pm
  • fridayfrenzy wrote:How does the new CBA make it easier to bail on a 4th rounder?

    http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name= ... m=Seahawks

    The second column there (pro-rated bonus) is the guaranteed money that he will receive - $412k. Not bad at all for a 23 year old guy, but a small percentage of his contract and not a figure that would affect our decision on whether we makes the 53 man roster.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:41 pm
  • he needs to go to the practice squad
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:47 pm
  • Those two big drops were painful. He hasn't shown enough.
    It's important (but hard sometimes) not to fall in love with "the idea" of what Harper "could be", and to see what he "is", which is an underskilled receiver who drops key passes at the worst possible moment.
    A lot of us (me included) were in "like" (it wasn't quite love) last year with Kris Durham, and the idea of what he "could be".
    After seeing Durham play for the Lions, failing to make plays on balls targeted to him, I was SO glad we let him walk. The receivers we kept were so much better.
    Stephan Williams > Durham. Williams IS what we wished Durham could someday become.
    Kearse already IS much of what we hope Harper *could* become. I'd feel confident seeing Kearse out on the field as a starter if one of our current starters were unable to go. (I'm still a little hesitant on how Williams' game will translate when the games start counting)

    Release Harper, and put him on PS if he clears waivers. End of story. Now we'll see what Pete and John do.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:59 pm
  • When a 4th round player drops a pass in the NFL that I am 98.7% certain I will catch...

    Yeah. Time to cut him. Or at least practice squad his ass if you think it is just a case of being the worst time to have an off day.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:16 am
  • It was sad watching my 'Adopt A Rookie' do his best TO imitation dropping sure TDs. YAY!
    And holding my tongue while easy 1st downs go bouncing off his "known for his sure hands in college"! HooRAYY!!

    Geez louise. At this point I honestly don't see him making the Seahawks 53.

    As is, all I have left is Luke Willson, but at least he looks to be "gettin' it", whereas Harper looked like a deer in the headlights, with a one-way ticket on a slow plane to Jacksonville...


    ps I know I know. I'm sorry, but as of this moment I no longer consider him a Hawk(I'd be astonished if he plays another down for us...), and I can't root for the Jags either. bbye H-aar-per. :cry:
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:22 am
  • Just my opinion -- Harper makes the 53 and is gameday inactive most of the year. He clearly has talent and a unique body size. I just see a guy who needs a year to develop. We talk all the time about how John/Pete will dump a player even if he's a high draft pick, but they also kept Jaye Howard around last year to sit and watch. You can afford to do that with maybe 1 guy a year.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:35 am
  • Hawkstorian wrote:Just my opinion -- Harper makes the 53 and is gameday inactive most of the year. He clearly has talent and a unique body size. I just see a guy who needs a year to develop. We talk all the time about how John/Pete will dump a player even if he's a high draft pick, but they also kept Jaye Howard around last year to sit and watch. You can afford to do that with maybe 1 guy a year.


    They could have afforded to stash him if we had the same WR group as last year, but with Williams and eventually Harvin added to the mix, I just don't see the space. We also didn't have a ton of depth at DL last year, so it made it pretty easy to stash Howard away. There are also far better candidates for the one "stash and develop" spot on the team (Mayowa, Lotulelei, Coleman, Ware, etc.).
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:22 am
  • Well for what it's worth, I have 4 out of 5 of those guys on your list as making the 53. I'm taking Ware ahead of Coleman but it could go either way. I still believe draft picks get an edge but I'm old and stubborn so that may be a part of it.

    Also -- rookie WRs just suck usually anyway. Nothing to be done about it. Golden Tate didn't do much as a rookie and now he's a starter. Jermaine Kearse looks like he's made huge strides year 1 to 2. Harper looks to me like he needs the number of Kearse's ophthalmologist.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:25 am
  • Every time I read Hawkstorians signature I ask myself "but when will the entertainment come, John?".

    Agree all the way around, BTW, 'Storian. I think Ware has a tad more versatility than Coleman. They did line him up wide last night, and IMO, he can do that occasionally. He kind of reminds me of a more compact Lamar Smith (hopefully there's not Michael Friars).
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:26 am
  • olyfan63 wrote:Kearse already IS much of what we hope Harper *could* become. I'd feel confident seeing Kearse out on the field as a starter if one of our current starters were unable to go.


    To be fair, Kearse wasn't what we hoped Harper could become his first year either. Now I understand the circumstances are different -- as Kearse's rookie year coincided with a lack of WR depth. Allowing him the opportunity to stick around and develop. Harper faces a much more crowded and accomplished receiving corps competition wise. There may not be the same ability to afford development time for Harper that benefitted Kearse.

    Harper does appear to have a considerable road to hoe in order to be competitive with this group.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:54 am
  • Coleman > Ware >> Harper

    I think Coleman gets the roster spot on offense, and MRob doesn't go anywhere.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:08 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    olyfan63 wrote:Kearse already IS much of what we hope Harper *could* become. I'd feel confident seeing Kearse out on the field as a starter if one of our current starters were unable to go.


    To be fair, Kearse wasn't what we hoped Harper could become his first year either. Now I understand the circumstances are different -- as Kearse's rookie year coincided with a lack of WR depth. Allowing him the opportunity to stick around and develop. Harper faces a much more crowded and accomplished receiving corps competition wise. There may not be the same ability to afford development time for Harper that benefitted Kearse.

    Harper does appear to have a considerable road to hoe in order to be competitive with this group.


    Pretty much this was bound to happen regardless. Eventually, if your developmental WR's do workout like you hoped, your going to have to use them, or what is the point. WR's have a longer shelf life then RB's. Your going to top out eventually. Harper just came in at the wrong time and dropped the ball (pun intended) at the chances he got. No room to take a chance on him.
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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:12 am
  • Any fan, of any NFL team, will explain to why their "#5 and #6" WR's are the BOMB and best in the league. It's scientific law of NFL fanaticism, you always see SO much potential in your lower tier receivers (my Rosebud was Jordan Kent). But, with this version of the Seahawks, its actually true!

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Re: The Chris Harper dilemma
Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:13 am
  • The dilemma is over. You don't drop catches in the end zone. Especially when your future depends on it. Too bad for him, but I want to win the SB and not have to worry about a fringe player to make a play.

    There will be more draft picks next year. Time to move on.
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