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The final 53 this year is going to be rough. Not so much the WHO as the NUMBERS we keep of each position, which is going to influence who stays.

-- Do we keep 4 or 5 RB? This will determine if Ware makes it.

-- Do we keep 6 WR? This will probably decide if Harper makes the team.

-- 9 or 10 DL? Mayowa is a fringe guy...he doesn't have a spot if they only keep 9.

-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.

A lot of intriguing moves coming.

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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.

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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.


Good possibility. But I did notice him coaching up the special teamers at the practice I attended, even though he wasn't suited up. I think they really value his professionalism and value.

A lot of inter-connected decisions this year.

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Ware didn't impress me much. Coleman looked better. I would rather go with an additional DB or LB. it is easier to find a decent RB than DB or LB. guys like Beanie Wells are still unsigned and could be picked up in an emergency. Cut down will be painful regardless.


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Yea, Harper vs Williams might be a cut, as might be Ware vs Harper or Williams. Given the emphasis on the run game and being physical in the run game, I just don't see Ware getting cut, but would there even be carries for him?

We are gonna lose some good talent in the secondary, thats for sure.


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Ware looked slow, indecisive, and couldn't break any tackles. Ware was a bit better in space but downright awful between the tackles. Was not impressed at all.


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This is how it should be EVERY year on a team with championship aspirations and high expectations. Thank you, John Schneider and Pete Carroll. Though the cuts may look tough on the outside looking in (and perhaps they are), we should be delighted this is the case.

Of course it's still early on making calls on locked roster spots. It's one game. There's lots of considerations. For example, while Chris Harper may not have flashed as some did in last nights pre-season game, did anyone watch his blocking from the position? In that bubble screen to Arceto Clark, Harper was a factor in that yardage. He's a big body at WR and if he can move bodies out of the way for the emphasized running game, that adds value in the 53.

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This is how it should be EVERY year on a team with championship aspirations and high expectations. Thank you, John Schneider and Pete Carroll. Though the cuts may look tough on the outside looking in (and perhaps they are), we should be delighted this is the case.

Of course it's still early on making calls on locked roster spots. It's one game. There's lots of considerations. For example, while Chris Harper may not have flashed as some did in last nights pre-season game, did anyone watch his blocking from the position? In that bubble screen to Arceto Clark, Harper was a factor in that yardage. He's a big body at WR and if he can move bodies out of the way for the emphasized running game, that adds value in the 53.


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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.



Bradford is having the strongest preseason out of the bubble guys.

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TeamoftheCentury wrote:
This is how it should be EVERY year on a team with championship aspirations and high expectations. Thank you, John Schneider and Pete Carroll. Though the cuts may look tough on the outside looking in (and perhaps they are), we should be delighted this is the case.

Of course it's still early on making calls on locked roster spots. It's one game. There's lots of considerations. For example, while Chris Harper may not have flashed as some did in last nights pre-season game, did anyone watch his blocking from the position? In that bubble screen to Arceto Clark, Harper was a factor in that yardage. He's a big body at WR and if he can move bodies out of the way for the emphasized running game, that adds value in the 53.


Speaking of blocking... Tate is maaaaaan

Tate reminds me so much of Hines Ward. Here's to hoping Tate has a similar season to Ward's 2002.


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This is how it should be EVERY year on a team with championship aspirations and high expectations. Thank you, John Schneider and Pete Carroll. Though the cuts may look tough on the outside looking in (and perhaps they are), we should be delighted this is the case.

Of course it's still early on making calls on locked roster spots. It's one game. There's lots of considerations. For example, while Chris Harper may not have flashed as some did in last nights pre-season game, did anyone watch his blocking from the position? In that bubble screen to Arceto Clark, Harper was a factor in that yardage. He's a big body at WR and if he can move bodies out of the way for the emphasized running game, that adds value in the 53.


Speaking of blocking... Tate is maaaaaan

Tate reminds me so much of Hines Ward. Here's to hoping Tate has a similar season to Ward's 2002.


I love how he actively seeks out people to block. Of course the best example of that was the Sean Lee de-cleater last season..but I notice it a lot with Golden, he's always looking to put a hat on a bad guy.

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Yea, Harper vs Williams might be a cut, as might be Ware vs Harper or Williams. Given the emphasis on the run game and being physical in the run game, I just don't see Ware getting cut, but would there even be carries for him?

We are gonna lose some good talent in the secondary, thats for sure.


You might have to change your avatar or risk getting the Seahawks a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike hulking. :lol: No joke though, if anyone didn't hear the recent No Fun League rule additions. No saluting, No Hulking, none of that. It was on NFL network this morning. I can't find a link. Chad Johnson couldn't function even if he could get into the endzone.

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Yea, Harper vs Williams might be a cut, as might be Ware vs Harper or Williams. Given the emphasis on the run game and being physical in the run game, I just don't see Ware getting cut, but would there even be carries for him?

We are gonna lose some good talent in the secondary, thats for sure.


You might have to change your avatar or risk getting the Seahawks a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike hulking. :lol: No joke though, if anyone didn't hear the recent No Fun League rule additions. No saluting, No Hulking, none of that. It was on NFL network this morning. I can't find a link. Chad Johnson couldn't function even if he could get into the endzone.


I heard about that... They even took out spinning the ball on the ground after a TD/catch. Looks like Sidney Rice needs to find a new celebration. :(

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Bradford and Lotulelie make it and Farwell gets cut. Too much money for an over the hill special teasers when we have good to great guys like Lane and Coleman who are younger, cheaper and more versatile.

Coleman will make the team over Ware. Ware will make the PS.

Rice, Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Williams and Harper all make the team.

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No way they cut Ware.

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No way they cut Ware.


Why not? It's only one game, but if Coleman continues to outplay him, he ought to get the fifth RB spot.

There is no question in my mind that Coleman did better last night as a blocker, receiver and on special teams.

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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.


I really like Farwell too, and you really can't understate the importance of really good ST players. That said, Coleman and Bradford both play ST and are pretty good at it, so I can see him losing his spot right there. Both of those players can fill in and play when needed on the field...Farwelll is marginal as a LB.


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Harper and Williams will both make the team. I think Harvin winds up on IR (remember they can come off that list early now).

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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.


I really like Farwell too, and you really can't understate the importance of really good ST players. That said, Coleman and Bradford both play ST and are pretty good at it, so I can see him losing his spot right there. Both of those players can fill in and play when needed on the field...Farwelll is marginal as a LB.


Lane outplayed Farwell on ST's last year, Maxwell is a helluva gunner, plus Coleman and Bradford. We're not lacking STers, and Farwell has no upside on defense.

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Ware was alright.

But if you think about it, if we carry Lynch, Turbin and Michael, there is practically zero chance Ware gets any playing time anyway (even if BeastMode gets injured). May be we can stash him away in the training squad and hold him as a backup for Robinson instead...

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Ware was alright.

But if you think about it, if we carry Lynch, Turbin and Michael, there is practically zero chance Ware gets any playing time anyway (even if BeastMode gets injured). May be we can stash him away in the training squad and hold him as a backup for Robinson instead...


I wonder if Ware would weather the waver wire.

He may not have looked like Michael out there last night, but there are probably teams that would take him as a decent #2 RB.

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Ware was alright.

But if you think about it, if we carry Lynch, Turbin and Michael, there is practically zero chance Ware gets any playing time anyway (even if BeastMode gets injured). May be we can stash him away in the training squad and hold him as a backup for Robinson instead...


You need inactive players in every game from your final 53. They kept 5 backs last year and i'd expect it again.

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-- LB... if we keep 6 it's "most likely": Wagner, Wright, Smith, Farwell, Schofield, Bradford or Lotulelei. And that's only until Irvin returns from suspension after Week 4, which means another move will have to be made here.


I really like Farwell. Dude's a fantastic special teamer and solid backup. But he's 31 and slated to make $1.7 mil this year and next. If Bradford and Lotulelei keep bringing it, I can see him being an unfortunate cut.


I agree, but Farwell is one of the premier Special Teamers in the league. Even if the other guys bring it, they will still have a hard time letting Farwell go. They know how important he is, and if we're going to make a SB run this year he is a very valuable piece. I could see him hanging on one more year and then letting him go next year just for that fact.

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I think Bradford will make the team for sure.

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Farwell WAS one of the premier STers in the league, and he still has a lot to offer as a coach, but at 31 his skills are declining to the point where he wasn't even our best ST's coverage player last year (that would be Jeremy Lane) and based on last night, Bradford, Coleman and others have a lot to offer in two areas of the game.

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If not as camp fodder, I am still bewildered why we used a pick on Ware to begin with. I can't imagine us letting Robinson go and doubt Ware will push the big 3 for more than a snap or two. Lynch, as powerful as he is, isn't exactly a goal line guy. I suppose Ware might make sense in that situation but why not put some legs on Turbin, using him there instead?

I do understand Pete wants to ground and pound so maybe he keeps an extra back...but at what expense...WR, DB?


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He may not have looked like Michael out there last night, but there are probably teams that would take him as a decent #2 RB.


People said that last year about the people we put on the practice squad and all of them made it. Front offices around the league aren't going to pick up a 6th round rookie off waivers as a number 2 RB. They might pick him up to have a look and decide whether they want to keep them, but more often than not they make it all the way and we keep them on the PS


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I sure am hoping Lotulelei makes the roster. I want to see how good he is in actual games.


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you cut farwell and watch a couple home runs over the course of the season on returns burn you and some extra yardage a lot. No way do i cut him for his lack of lb skills ... I liked our containment last year.


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I'm not going to overreact to one pre-season game and say that Ware doesn't look good. He's a rookie and it was his first NFL game action. He's got 3 more games to show what he can do. However, being drafted provides no guarantee to make this team. Money and draft status don't mean much to Pete.


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Ware looked slow, indecisive, and couldn't break any tackles. Ware was a bit better in space but downright awful between the tackles. Was not impressed at all.



Agree with every word. I liked the other fullback better. I understand he has hearing issues, but he has a more physical presence about him.


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I sure am hoping Lotulelei makes the roster. I want to see how good he is in actual games.



I don't think he makes it, but maybe a chance for practice squad. A back like Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis, Legarette Blount, Frank Gore, or Steven Jackson would plant Lotulelei and step on his numbers on their way to a first down. I think his small size relegates him to a brief curiosity.


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