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Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:34 am
  • I know it's preseason, but I actually got to watch a game, so I thought I'd share what I saw.

    First, I know it's preseason, but man I really hope this isn't the way the refs are going to call the season. 4 personal foul penalties in the 1st half, and 3 of them that I saw were complete crap. Whitehurst was running, falling forward, and Winfield jumped on him to touch him down and gets a flag ?? Also a hit on an incompletion that you could see the ref waiting to watch how far the player got bounced from the hit...then throws the flag. Not a necessary flag. SD got one where our DLman was chasing a scrambling QB and he went low to block the guy, which is legal. Also not necessary.


    Guess I'll start with offense. I'm not worried about the 1st team offense stalling a lot. San Diego was blitzing a lot, and they definately weren't playing vanilla defense. Wilson was forced to scramble a lot, and it looked like his receivers had a bit of trouble ad libbing with him.

    Christine Michael. He was up and down, not all that great against the 1st teamers. He missed a couple of cutbacks and bounced around instead of hitting the hole or cutting to the backside right away. It's expected and I'm not worried about it. Once he played 2nd teamers, he picked up. He had a very good blitz pickup on a CB blitz going inside; he diagnosed the play quickly and took the blitzer out. I like him analyzing the play and not reacting to it. He played as advertised: quick, good burst, and bounces off of contact.

    TJACK ! TJACK ! he looked damn good. The one incompletion hit his guy right in the hands and got dropped. When he's scrambling, he actually looks like he has an idea what he wants to do now, unlike before. Much more poised...maybe not having any pressure on him actually helps him out.

    OL had some trouble picking up blitzes and there were times Wilson got pressured right away. Unger was out, so this could explain a lot.

    WRS. Didn't see much of Tate, Baldwin had a drop, and looked average. Kearse looked good; he had a drop on a deeper pass that he just looked like he misplayed a bit. He made it a tougher catch than he had to. This guy just always get decent separation, and he's always open. I think he makes the team.

    Williams. Had a good day. He drew at least one aggregious PI call that didn't get called, and showed good speed. I'm thinking the team keeps him around this year for polish and chemistry and if Rice remains dinged all the time, they either rework his deal next year or let him go.

    Willson had one drop of a WIlson pass, but looked decent in run blocking and he gets open fairly easily. With some experience he'll be good.

    Ware/Coleman. Both played as advertised, I thought they looked good.

    Defense......man we are deep, but we knew that.

    Allen Bradford. Wow. This guy is amazing. He HITS people. He's always around the ball, diagnoses plays very well, and brings the thump when he gets there. Very sure tackler, and sheds blocks well. Not as quick sideline to sideline as Wagner, but his instincts are good and he'll usually be where he needs to be.

    Lotuleilei. He looked like Polamalu running around out there, except that Polamalu actually breaks down and tackles people. When he first got in there, he flew around and went right by the ball carrier twice, once the RB went offtackle his side for 12 yards. The good thing was he adjusted and the next few times he flew into the line, plugged it up, and got the tackle. He seems a bit raw, but he's really fast and high energy and he also looks good on ST.

    Maxwell had a great game. One really nice pick, and one other he almost got. I didn't see anyone get real open on him, and on his pass breakups and INT, he baited the QB into thinking the WR was open and broke on the ball, ala Sherman. I thought he made a great case for a roster spot tonight.

    Thurmond. He had a great punt return, but had an average game. Gave up a few receptions; he's where he should be, but he's not overly physical, and doesn't intimidate anyone out there. Definately not blanket coverage and didn't really shut anyone down, but they were playing some zone and that will happen. If he ends up starting, we can say goodbye to the LoBoom. He's just not that thumper that the other guys are.

    I really don't know how this competition for the LEO will end up. Man, these younger guys looked GOOD.

    Ty Powell. I thought he pass rush was bland: no real moves, no counters that I saw, just ran upfield and bullrushed, but he was effective. If he gets some polish as a pash rusher, he could be damn good. He played insane at the los, standing up TE's, and filling gaps for 2 negative plays against the run.

    Benson Mayowa. This guy wasn't as good against the run, but was much more polished rushing the passer. He always finds a way to get home, and doesn't just try to go outside. Very intriguing.

    This is getting long, so my favorite thing this game was NO INJURIES. After that, I really liked watching Bradford and the young guys competing for a LEO spot.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:46 am
  • I just watched the archive as the game was on at 3am here and I know I can't comment that much yet as I don't have enough viewing experience to make calls on the players...

    I just wanted to say that the 61 yard field goal attempt had me hiding behind my hands!! Sooo close bouncing off the bar!!
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:47 am
  • Hawks46 wrote:SD got one where our DLman was chasing a scrambling QB and he went low to block the guy, which is legal. Also not necessary.



    This is a new rule this year, and IMO, it's a necessary one. Defensive linemen and linebackers shouldn't have to worry about being exposed to knee destroying hits in the open field. (The rule came about because of Cushing's injury on an open field cut block.) It was the correct call among a lot of really crappy ones. (Especially the helmet-to-helmet where the hit wasn't even above the shoulder pads.)
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:56 am
  • I also thought the call on Winfield was legit.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:03 am
  • Ok, good to know. The call wasn't really in the open field, it was in the offensive backfield, but maybe that's the same thing. If so, I gladly retract that comment, but I still think the Winfield call was crap.

    I also liked the 61 yard FG attempt. That bugger was good from 60 1/2 hehe.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:14 am
  • McGruff wrote:I also thought the call on Winfield was legit.



    It was not legit. At the game, they showed the replay on the big screen. Winfield leaped over him and only his hand touched CW. There was zero hit. Horrible call.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:18 am
  • Thurmond will get better, he has a lot of rust to knock off. Winfield call was horrible.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:31 am
  • Am I the only one who felt like our 1st string defense didn't look that good against the Chargers 1st string offense as they marched up the field for a FG.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:32 am
  • I continue to be really worried about RG. Sweezy still seems to be struggling to pass block.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:34 am
  • Refs will absolutely continue making hidious calls, I suspect they will try and set a tone and I will continue to curse them every game. I thought the Winfield call was a stretch, the Helmet to helmet was clearly a helmet to shoulder pad hit; how about the early whistle on the Tate catch, and the stripped ball that didn't happen because the call of forward progress was made before the whistle blew? I know refs need some time to get up to speed as well, but I have no expectation that they will be anything but crap again this season.

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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:34 am
  • ZagHawk wrote:Am I the only one who felt like our 1st string defense didn't look that good against the Chargers 1st string offense as they marched up the field for a FG.


    Yes, yes you are.

    The rest of us thought our D looked GREAT against the Chargers 1st string offense as they marched up the field, sucking nearly 1/2 a quarter of the clock for a FG. :P
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:37 am
  • I too thought the Winfield call was bogus, and the mysterious helmet to helmet was ridiculous.. But it is pre-season for the ref's too.

    I thought Michael looked fine, didn't have a lot of holes, but we were missing 2 starters on the line and Miller.

    I thought RW looked good, but i'm seeing the same thing as last year, he's scrambling to extend the play, and the recievers are not getting open, that needs to change asap.

    I thought Kearse looked good, and that one play he missed would have been a very tough catch, i liked what i saw.

    Williams, man what a gem, i see big things from that young man, Sid better bring his A game. I also liked the one reception from Harper, showed good hands.

    Defense as a whole, ok, again missing a lot of key starters, but again we saw the open back/TE all series long, we've got to get that reeled in. really like what i saw with the back ups though.

    Thurmond, i'll give him a pass, but he gave up several receptions, maxwell looked good, guy looked lost


    finally , special teams on both sides looked awsome, lot of playmakers on this team.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:38 am
  • Oh ya, and TJack, very very impressed with his poise, pocket awareness, and his arm looked crisp.. Quinn? not so much

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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:39 am
  • Did anyone else hate the commentators as much as I did? And the drawn out bbq bit? I wanted to hit mute. :x
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:42 am
  • Clayfighter wrote:Did anyone else hate the commentators as much as I did? And the drawn out bbq bit? I wanted to hit mute. :x


    I had Curt Menefee and Brock Huard, they did ok. I heard Fouts and some other guy were pretty sad.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:54 am
  • m0ng0 wrote:I had Curt Menefee and Brock Huard, they did ok. I heard Fouts and some other guy were pretty sad.


    What was your opinion of Huard? I prefer him to Moon.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:05 am
  • Clayfighter wrote:Did anyone else hate the commentators as much as I did? And the drawn out bbq bit? I wanted to hit mute. :x


    Fouts is so much better as a color guy. Play by play he's way over his head.

    I cringed when he kept calling the iffy personal foul calls "cheap shots".. and he butchered a lot of names - this before all the reserves came in.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:10 am
  • Haven't seen the first half yet, but liked having Huard in there. He belongs in the broadcast booth. His "choirboy" shtick on 710 gets old, but like his show a lot. I miss his chemistry w Salk (although O'Neil was a decent conciliation prize), but overall his history with and knowledge of the Hawks make him nice to listen to.

    Wish he'd stop with all the "goosing" about Peyton Manning. Geez, he sounds like a wannabe, failed movie starlet name-dropping.....never, ever missing a chance to remind everyone that he backed him up in Indy. Well, I suppose he makes it up with all the slobbering he does about Wilson.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:11 am
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    Clayfighter wrote:Did anyone else hate the commentators as much as I did? And the drawn out bbq bit? I wanted to hit mute. :x


    Fouts is so much better as a color guy. Play by play he's way over his head.

    I cringed when he kept calling the iffy personal foul calls "cheap shots".. and he butchered a lot of names - this before all the reserves came in.


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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:25 am
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    Clayfighter wrote:Did anyone else hate the commentators as much as I did? And the drawn out bbq bit? I wanted to hit mute. :x


    Fouts is so much better as a color guy. Play by play he's way over his head.

    I cringed when he kept calling the iffy personal foul calls "cheap shots".. and he butchered a lot of names - this before all the reserves came in.

    Fouts has always struck me as an awkward guy, the kind that stands off alone at a party, wishing he could think of something witty to say so people will like him. His color commentary is superb, but his delivery always comes off as forced (especially the play by play), and he often rambles through parts where he should be calling important plays and often leaves sentences half completed, like he doesn't really seque smoothly into a new topic.

    Sometimes that can come with practice/experience, but you have to have some natural aptitude for doing it, which I don't think he's ever had. Of course, I've only heard him call, what, 3 or 4 games, so not the biggest sample size.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:43 am
  • FlyingGreg wrote:I continue to be really worried about RG. Sweezy still seems to be struggling to pass block.

    Even though Alvin Bailey is a rookie, he would have more experience. He played the position in college. Since they like to have versatile lineman, maybe they'll try him inside as well.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:40 pm
  • TeamoftheCentury wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:I continue to be really worried about RG. Sweezy still seems to be struggling to pass block.


    Even though Alvin Bailey is a rookie, he would have more experience. He played the position in college. Since they like to have versatile lineman, maybe they'll try him inside as well.


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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:33 pm
  • I saw things just a little differently with Michael. The run blocking wasn't really there in the first half, and I'd need to watch again to be sure but I don't remember him missing any running lanes in the first team offense. I do remember him misreading one rush up the middle in the 2nd half though, picking up 5 yards when making the more obvious cut could have gone 20+. The broadcast had a closeup on Michael after that play and he looked a little upset with himself.

    The blocking was better in the 2nd half but I thought Michael also looked more like himself in the latter stages of the game. In the first half it looked like Michael was just trying to ensure positive yardage, in the 2nd half he showed more aggressiveness and did more damage.

    Overall, Michael showed some significant difference from his A&M days. He didn't explode through holes as often as he did in college, but he improved substantially at maximizing yardage when the blocking wasn't there and he never fumbled. He dialed down the sexiness but dialed up the steadiness. That's probably not by accident. And overall he was still very good despite those changes.

    Agreed completely on Bradford/Lotulelei. I think you summed them up better than I did. The broadcasters were slobbering over Lotulelei but I thought Bradford clearly had the best night of our LBs, and his measurables are very similar to Lotulelei's, too.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:44 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:
    Hawks46 wrote:SD got one where our DLman was chasing a scrambling QB and he went low to block the guy, which is legal. Also not necessary.



    This is a new rule this year, and IMO, it's a necessary one. Defensive linemen and linebackers shouldn't have to worry about being exposed to knee destroying hits in the open field. (The rule came about because of Cushing's injury on an open field cut block.) It was the correct call among a lot of really crappy ones. (Especially the helmet-to-helmet where the hit wasn't even above the shoulder pads.)



    Agreed. The Niners may be without rings had such a rule been installed years ago. There's no place for such tactics in football, whether (technically) legal or not, IMO.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:41 pm
  • FlyingGreg wrote:
    TeamoftheCentury wrote:
    FlyingGreg wrote:I continue to be really worried about RG. Sweezy still seems to be struggling to pass block.


    Even though Alvin Bailey is a rookie, he would have more experience. He played the position in college. Since they like to have versatile lineman, maybe they'll try him inside as well.


    Bailey was tossing b*tches around last night! Love me some Alvin. Nice guy, too...he was one of the autographs I got on my custom jersey at camp.


    I'm curious to see if Cable tries Bailey at LG or RG in the next few preseason games. Since Okung is the definite starter at LT it would make sense to see if he could own one of our guard spots as a regular season starter. That would be a lot more valuable to the team than a backup tackle position. It also doesn't mean he couldn't be a backup tackle.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:37 pm
  • kearly wrote:I saw things just a little differently with Michael. The run blocking wasn't really there in the first half, and I'd need to watch again to be sure but I don't remember him missing any running lanes in the first team offense. I do remember him misreading one rush up the middle in the 2nd half though, picking up 5 yards when making the more obvious cut could have gone 20+. The broadcast had a closeup on Michael after that play and he looked a little upset with himself.

    The blocking was better in the 2nd half but I thought Michael also looked more like himself in the latter stages of the game. In the first half it looked like Michael was just trying to ensure positive yardage, in the 2nd half he showed more aggressiveness and did more damage.

    Overall, Michael showed some significant difference from his A&M days. He didn't explode through holes as often as he did in college, but he improved substantially at maximizing yardage when the blocking wasn't there and he never fumbled. He dialed down the sexiness but dialed up the steadiness. That's probably not by accident. And overall he was still very good despite those changes.

    Agreed completely on Bradford/Lotulelei. I think you summed them up better than I did. The broadcasters were slobbering over Lotulelei but I thought Bradford clearly had the best night of our LBs, and his measurables are very similar to Lotulelei's, too.


    Wow. Yes, +1 on this.

    *we'll see but I wasn't wow'd much at Lotulelei last night.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:45 pm
  • It's a first game of preseason, I don't think it holds any value. The only preseason games really worth something are the last two. Especially for the guys who are competing for roster spots.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:56 pm
  • kearly wrote:I saw things just a little differently with Michael. The run blocking wasn't really there in the first half, and I'd need to watch again to be sure but I don't remember him missing any running lanes in the first team offense. I do remember him misreading one rush up the middle in the 2nd half though, picking up 5 yards when making the more obvious cut could have gone 20+. The broadcast had a closeup on Michael after that play and he looked a little upset with himself.

    The blocking was better in the 2nd half but I thought Michael also looked more like himself in the latter stages of the game. In the first half it looked like Michael was just trying to ensure positive yardage, in the 2nd half he showed more aggressiveness and did more damage.

    Overall, Michael showed some significant difference from his A&M days. He didn't explode through holes as often as he did in college, but he improved substantially at maximizing yardage when the blocking wasn't there and he never fumbled. He dialed down the sexiness but dialed up the steadiness. That's probably not by accident. And overall he was still very good despite those changes.

    Agreed completely on Bradford/Lotulelei. I think you summed them up better than I did. The broadcasters were slobbering over Lotulelei but I thought Bradford clearly had the best night of our LBs, and his measurables are very similar to Lotulelei's, too.


    It's possible that the missed lanes I saw were with the 2's. It's hard to tell who the 1's and 2's are in preseason, with a couple starters out, and all you have to go with is the series. And OL usually play longer than the skill position players, but yea, Michael could've just had sucky blocking with the 1's. I did see some dancing and a couple missed cutbacks, but dancing could've been no blocking.

    As for the LBer commentary, I played LBer so that's nearer to my heart and I get it a bit better. Our LB coach in high school called us his evil RB's, as you read the hole and diagnose it much the same way a RB does to get through. I thought Bradford looked Zach Thomas-ish....he has the exact same build and seems to play very well. Commentators will call 5'11" and 235 a lighweight for a LB, but with a center of gravity that low, you really shed blocks well, and you can scrape off the ass end of a pulling guard like hell on wheels if you're quick.

    Once again, the most encouraging thing for me was the no injuries. What did you think of Powell Kearly? Personally, I thought he played really well at the los, but didn't show much of a counter move or repetoire of pass rush moves, but was hell against the run.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:17 am
  • It's preseason for the referees too. This game early on reminded me shades of Superbowl XL. Pretty much every call going against the Seahawks but at least this game doesn't count. I believe there are a couple of reasons for some of the quick penalties: 1) Seattle is earning a reputation as a tough hard physical defense, with that some of these personal foul calls come into play. It's unfortunate but the refs are going to be more tight. 2) Roger Goodell is making it a more of a sissy sport. I understand safety but to compromise the fundamentals of the game and ignore some of the advances in technology that could help make the game safer is ridiculous. Advances in helmet technology or pad protection that he refuses to consider. Absolutely ruining the game. Thus the refs are keen to make more penalty calls whereas in the past they would have let it go. Other than that, good first preseason game and the Seahawks got Ed Hercules as head referee. Not a bad start.
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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:25 am
  • Cartire wrote:
    McGruff wrote:I also thought the call on Winfield was legit.



    It was not legit. At the game, they showed the replay on the big screen. Winfield leaped over him and only his hand touched CW. There was zero hit. Horrible call.

    The officiating in the first half was piss poor, and I'll leave it at that.

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Re: Preseason impressions Game 1
Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:47 pm
  • ZagHawk wrote:Am I the only one who felt like our 1st string defense didn't look that good against the Chargers 1st string offense as they marched up the field for a FG.



    their TE's kept bailing them out, I'm guessing that changes when you replace Bradford with Wagner
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