The "Percy Harvin" effect. Hawk drop to #4 in several polls.

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  • I know a lot of people here hate power polls, but I heard on Kiro Radio in Seattle today that they had dropped from #1/#2 to #4/#6 in several pre-season power polls this week. It has got to be the Percy Harvin effect, and it is mentioned in a couple of them. Personally, I love our returning recievers from last year, and when Percy hopefully comes back later in the season, it will be a boost to send us into the playoffs. I take these things with a grain of salt, but thought I'd throw it out there for discussion as we head into pre-season action. This is a Bing link so you can weed through 'em yourself.

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  • I said "I take these things with a grain of salt, but thought I'd throw it out there". Doesn't mean I agree with it, it's just Seahawks related and thought some would be interested.
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  • Good. It is inferring that with out Harvin the Hawks are just another pretty good team. The players will like that ;)
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  • You really do have to take these polls with a grain of salt... It's all just opinions and speculation, etc. I do think Harvin has much to do with this, but I also feel like our schedule has a fair bit to do with it also. Let's face it, we just haven't established that we can win on the road vs. good teams... I wasn't even surprised when we lost to Detroit and Miami last year... Is it the 12th man that puts us over the top and makes us look at world beaters at home? Immaturity? Young team? Not sure... fact is, our schedule is considerably more difficult this season, and I think that has a lot to do with these polls... and cause for concern. Is it September yet???
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  • BlueThunder wrote:I said "I take these things with a grain of salt, but thought I'd throw it out there". Doesn't mean I agree with it, it's just Seahawks related and thought some would be interested.


    I know but I'm just getting it out the way for everyone else.
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    BlueThunder wrote:I said "I take these things with a grain of salt, but thought I'd throw it out there". Doesn't mean I agree with it, it's just Seahawks related and thought some would be interested.


    I know but I'm just getting it out the way for everyone else.


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  • 13thMan wrote:You really do have to take these polls with a grain of salt... It's all just opinions and speculation, etc. I do think Harvin has much to do with this, but I also feel like our schedule has a fair bit to do with it also. Let's face it, we just haven't established that we can win on the road vs. good teams... I wasn't even surprised when we lost to Detroit and Miami last year... Is it the 12th man that puts us over the top and makes us look at world beaters at home? Immaturity? Young team? Not sure... fact is, our schedule is considerably more difficult this season, and I think that has a lot to do with these polls... and cause for concern. Is it September yet???

    I'm pretty sure Seattle's schedule didn't change from last week to this one; if it was only because of the schedule Seattle wouldn't have been ranked first in these polls to begin with.
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  • Yes, I get that the schedule didn't change... I think Harvin was the consensus equalizer for the tougher schedule in the pundits' eyes... Thus, Harvin goes down and schedule stays the same would cause a drop in the polls... Again, I'm speculating but that's what I think.
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  • IF they want to down-grade us for any reason, it should be based on our schedule of impressive road opponents. An impressive win at Carolina erases any doubt. We are better than we were last year and prior to the Harvin acquisition, most felt we were the team to beat in '13. I'm of the opinion that picking up Harvin probably lit fires under the okoles of Tate and Baldwin, thus making them more dangerous than years past.

    As far as Harvin returning this year: I wouldn't count on it. He's not played a down since week 10 of last year which means he will have missed an entire year (plus) before suiting up with a team he's never played with before. I suppose he could likely return kick-offs (if 110%) but why mess with that? By that time, someone (Michael?) will have stepped up and I don't think we should dick around with any established continuity.

    Knowing Harvin, he will probably end up with a career ending injury the first time he touches the ball, anyway. Better we make him a $67 million decoy until his contract expires. The mere threat of putting Harvin in a game will be enough to discombobulate every defense. He's just that good.
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  • @HawkWow - All good points, and I would absolutely agree that, at this point, there is virtually no reason to put our glass wideout on the field this season UNLESS we are fighting at the end for the west. I for one have actually tempered my expectations a bit since the schedules came out... I don't think there is a team in the NFL with a tougher schedule given our road games and the division we play in... Further, and I hate to say it but, I think it would require 13 wins for the Hawks to take the division... that is a tall order. But hey, at least football season is just about back in full swing and there is a game tomorrow!
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  • Found PFT's explanation pretty comical. They listed us at #4 after saying we were the best team in football the last month of the season but outside of losing Harvin (who we didn't have) they really didn't give a reason for us to decline all while talking about all the FA acquisitions.

    Meanwhile their #1 ranked team, the Niners breakdown was comprised of about 80% explanation of downside, explaining injuries and tons of losses of starters while relying on unproven replacements and rookies and never once explained why they thought they would be improved or ave somehow improved over the team they said was the best in football the last month of the year and only got stronger.

    Apparently Harvin is beyond good, the guy is somehow magical. To be able to decrease the quality of a football team without ever playing a snap is a pretty amazing thing but somehow I suspect even if Harvin were healthy and ready to go we still wouldn't have topped that list.

    Apparently the Niners only have to weather the storm of losing Crabtree, Walker, Manningham and Williams with guys like Jenkins and Lockette while Seattle is in dire need of Harvin to return and save us from Rice, Tate, Baldwin and Miller or maybe the loss of McCoy's 18 catches is greater than losing their #1, #2, #4 and #5 targets from last year.

    Anyway these things seem to be pandering to the readers more than using actual analysis so I guess we will see when the bullets start firing.
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  • 13thMan wrote:@HawkWow - All good points, and I would absolutely agree that, at this point, there is virtually no reason to put our glass wideout on the field this season UNLESS we are fighting at the end for the west. I for one have actually tempered my expectations a bit since the schedules came out... I don't think there is a team in the NFL with a tougher schedule given our road games and the division we play in... Further, and I hate to say it but, I think it would require 13 wins for the Hawks to take the division... that is a tall order. But hey, at least football season is just about back in full swing and there is a game tomorrow!

    According to Football Outsiders, San Fran's schedule is more difficult than ours. We'll see. Personally, I never let the schedule dictate my expectations because it's impossible to know how difficult it will be before the season.
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  • Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.
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  • 13thMan wrote:@HawkWow - All good points, and I would absolutely agree that, at this point, there is virtually no reason to put our glass wideout on the field this season UNLESS we are fighting at the end for the west. I for one have actually tempered my expectations a bit since the schedules came out... I don't think there is a team in the NFL with a tougher schedule given our road games and the division we play in... Further, and I hate to say it but, I think it would require 13 wins for the Hawks to take the division... that is a tall order. But hey, at least football season is just about back in full swing and there is a game tomorrow!


    I think we're going to be OK, bro. Just a gut feeling...but I have a hunch SF isn't as advertised and the Rams won't be sneaking up on us, either. I think we sweep the division and I won't be stunned if SF is swept by both us and the Rams. I suspect we can win the division with 12 (perhaps even 11). But with that in mind...the schedule makers did us no favors and I fear we may be traveling for the conference title game. Go Hawks!
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Found PFT's explanation pretty comical. They listed us at #4 after saying we were the best team in football the last month of the season but outside of losing Harvin (who we didn't have) they really didn't give a reason for us to decline all while talking about all the FA acquisitions.

    Meanwhile their #1 ranked team, the Niners breakdown was comprised of about 80% explanation of downside, explaining injuries and tons of losses of starters while relying on unproven replacements and rookies and never once explained why they thought they would be improved or ave somehow improved over the team they said was the best in football the last month of the year and only got stronger.

    Apparently Harvin is beyond good, the guy is somehow magical. To be able to decrease the quality of a football team without ever playing a snap is a pretty amazing thing but somehow I suspect even if Harvin were healthy and ready to go we still wouldn't have topped that list.

    Apparently the Niners only have to weather the storm of losing Crabtree, Walker, Manningham and Williams with guys like Jenkins and Lockette while Seattle is in dire need of Harvin to return and save us from Rice, Tate, Baldwin and Miller or maybe the loss of McCoy's 18 catches is greater than losing their #1, #2, #4 and #5 targets from last year.

    Anyway these things seem to be pandering to the readers more than using actual analysis so I guess we will see when the bullets start firing.


    LMAO @ "Magical" Harvin. He's like a flippin' leprachon. But wait...aren't leprachons supposed to be lucky?? Absolutely. Know anyone luckier than Percy "jus chillin da couch wit da lil man, than I half to LOL all the way down their to da bank" Harvin?
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    But just think about how sick our defense would be.....

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  • Most of these pundits only follow a couple of 'key' players on each team. So, yeah, I'd say it could be a 'Percy Harvin' effect.

    They're for entertainment value anyway, just to generate hits on websites. Sure, I read my share of them, but they don't mean anything.
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  • Harvin had a big value as insurance for Rice. Without Harvin, we're counting on Rice to go injury free 2 years in a row. To me, that downgrades our chances of the WRs playing at the level they played at last year.

    Not saying it's a killer for a team with this D and this run game, but I can see dropping a couple of spots for that reason.
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  • hawk45 wrote:Harvin had a big value as insurance for Rice. Without Harvin, we're counting on Rice to go injury free 2 years in a row. To me, that downgrades our chances of the WRs playing at the level they played at last year.

    Not saying it's a killer for a team with this D and this run game, but I can see dropping a couple of spots for that reason.


    Well if your going to base predictions or rankings off expected injuries or how teams compensate for said injuries, shouldn't you do the same for other teams? Those rankings assume that Justin Smith and Gore will not only be 100% healthy but 100% as productive as previous years. They are looking at guys like Lockette to step up and somehow that doesn't seem to be a problem? Reports on Jenkins are putrid again this year and now Culliver is out for the year when they were already wiling to sign DB's with PED suspensions and multiple DUI's including one that will like have a four game suspension this year if he even lands on a team.

    I know what your saying but the argument doesn't hold water. It is way more reasonable to expect the Niners to struggle do to existing injuries, aging key players and losses of key players than to think Rice could go down and we will have no answer. Remember, Rice put on 20 pounds of muscle before last year that was designed to help him with the injury bug. I don't think he lost all that weight did he?
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  • mretrade wrote:Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.


    Really?

    Wide receivers Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams were joined by linebacker Darius Fleming and running back Kendall Hunter on the list. Running back Marcus Lattimore, defensive tackles Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial and offensive tackle Luke Marquardt were placed on the non-football injury list.

    You sound more optimistic than most but I suspect there might be a bit of homer in your prediction. Either way, even if you were correct do you expect them to come back full strength? What am I saying, of course you do.

    Oh and your back up TE was your QB's #2 target, your H-back and played a huge role in your running game and protecting your QB. If Crabtree were healthy that might not be as big a deal but you guys are down your #1, #2, #4 and #5 pass catchers. How do you think that won't negatively impact your offense? I know you think you have the greatest QB and greatest coach to ever be affiliated with the game. God it's going to be fun watching you Niner fans melt as reality swipes through your season.
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  • formido wrote:Haven't dropped in Vegas:

    http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/



    Excellent point...though also a popularity poll. I pointed out in another thread that if you look deeper into that Vegas line...it is clear their projection is Seattle vs. Denver, with Denver a slight favorite, in the SB.

    Harvin was the joker and I looked forward to seeing some obscure formations and plays utilizing his special talents. But we are first and foremost a smash mouth football team and if Michael is as advertised (Lynch jr), defenses will be wishing Harvin was healthy. This year we let RW loose and I think that will translate to a lot of 2nd and shorts / 3rd and shorts. That will translate to worn out D-linemen watching time expire from the clock.

    This is the team I always wanted and I think we are about to see football not seen since Al Gore invented the forward pass.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
    mretrade wrote:Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.


    Really?

    Wide receivers Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams were joined by linebacker Darius Fleming and running back Kendall Hunter on the list. Running back Marcus Lattimore, defensive tackles Tank Carradine and Quinton Dial and offensive tackle Luke Marquardt were placed on the non-football injury list.

    You sound more optimistic than most but I suspect there might be a bit of homer in your prediction. Either way, even if you were correct do you expect them to come back full strength? What am I saying, of course you do.

    Oh and your back up TE was your QB's #2 target, your H-back and played a huge role in your running game and protecting your QB. If Crabtree were healthy that might not be as big a deal but you guys are down your #1, #2, #4 and #5 pass catchers. How do you think that won't negatively impact your offense? I know you think you have the greatest QB and greatest coach to ever be affiliated with the game. God it's going to be fun watching you Niner fans melt as reality swipes through your season.


    Hey buddy, if your going to knock a team get your facts straight and stop spreading misinformation.

    Kyle Williams has since been activated from PUP and has been practicing in full pads with no limitations.

    Delanie Walker was somewhat important but wasn't too great last year. I see Vance McDonald doing fine replacing him. He was not number 2 in targets last year. He had 38 targets. Vernon Davis had 61. Crabtree had 128. Randy Moss had 51. Manningham had 57.

    Our receivers are going to be better this year than they were in 2011 prior to Crabtree emerging as a top threat. Anquan Boldin had more receiving yards last year than any NFC West receiver not named Michael Crabtree. As long as we can stretch the field and utilize Vernon, Williams, and Jenkins, I think we will be fine. Manningham will play most of the year anyway so I really don't consider him a loss.
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  • As a long time fan, I can't bring myself to knock anything Boldin. But he is the epitome of possession receiver and (now) makes his living strictly out-positioning and out-muscling DBs. He was a great complement to Kaep and will have continued success against a percentage of teams. The Hawks won't be in that percentile. We have multiple counters to his style of play.

    If Boldin is a possession receiver, Manningham is a pedestrian receiver. He won't scare anyone and I will be surprised if he is on your roster this time next year. The same can likely be said for Boldin.

    The two guys above will move the chains but more times cause frustration (by lack of separation) for Kaep. This will cause him to take chances he probably shouldn't take. What happens when young QBs try to force the game?

    Unless Harbaugh is as dumb as a box of rocks, anticipate LeMichael James becoming a HUGE part of your offense this year. But he's small. Won't last. Go Hawks.
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  • He is a possession receiver and still very productive. He had more yards last year than any Seahawks receiver. I will gladly take him. I don't see you guys knocking Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, or Doug Baldwin. All who are put up far inferior numbers last year.

    "He was a great complement to Kaep and will have continued success against a percentage of teams."

    Uhh he has never played with Kaepernick before.

    Manningham is a nice complementary receiver. He is much faster than Boldin (you called him pedestrian comparatively) but speed isn't his game. He runs good routes and is more of a finesse guy.

    Not saying these guys will set the world on fire but our current crop of receivers are better than what we had in 2011 when we won the division over yours truly.

    Crabtree is expected back late in the year but I am not banking on it. Crabtree/Boldin would be deadly.
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  • mretrade wrote:Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.


    who cares?
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  • Harvin is a stud, but not THAT big of an impact, my god...
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  • 60niners wrote:Thinking objectively; is it impossible to believe that outside of any bias some people out there might actually think there are better teams in the league than the Seahawks?


    Not all of us are coming at this wearing rose colored glasses so please, don't lump everybody in there... I actually said in another post that it would take 13 wins for the Hawks to win the division. Looking at schedules, situations, etc., I can easily see the 49ers winning 12 or 13 games and so, I am definitely tempering my enthusiasm/expectations. Plus, I do follow what's going on in the bay just because I take great interest in our division. Seems to me that while many outside of the Niners fan base believe that Crabtree's injury will cause a huge setback, I for one don't see it. It's not a popular opinion around here though, so... I digress. While I would like to believe that the Seahawks are next up to take this division, I am not so delusional that I actually would put money on it, if that makes any sense...
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    mretrade wrote:Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.


    who cares?


    The guy who initiated the 49ers discussion here, duh.
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  • mretrade wrote:
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    mretrade wrote:Williams is going to be ready week 1. Manningham probably by week 3 if not by week 1. Delanie Walker is the back up tight end. lol.


    who cares?


    The guy who initiated the 49ers discussion here, duh.


    He didn't initiate a discussion, he made a point that Seattle are being penalised for losing one measly player to injury while it appears to have been overlooked on San Francisco's side.

    YOU initiated a "discussion". Nobody else here cares when your players get back from injury or how good your new drafted backup tight end is going to be or how well your crappy wide receivers are practicing. You want to peddle that nonsense then go back to your own board.
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  • Who cares? How many preseason power ranking/odds favorites have won it all in the last decade? Pats in 04 maybe.
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  • Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.
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  • 13thMan wrote:Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.


    You've been here a week so I'll give you a pass.
    This place has been a joke over the offseason, you can't have a single Seahawk discussion without a Niner fan coming in and adding their 2 cents regarding their team.

    I don't give a shit about the Niners, we play them twice a year. This isn't a Niner forum and they can't seem to get their thick heads around that

    This thread was started discussion the laughable assertion that Percy Harvin was so important to our team and we're "lost" without him (obviously 4th is hardly lost, but you get my point). What does that have to do with San Francisco? Like I said, if Niner fans want to discuss when their crappy players get back from injury and how beastly they're going to be, fine. Just don't do it on a Seahawks board
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  • Point taken... I wasn't aware that this forum was being overtaken. Personally, though, I do have a "care" about, not only the Niners, but the Rams and the Cardinals also... all three of those teams have a fair impact (potentially) on what THIS team achieves. Truth be told, I watch all of the division games every weekend, though I only cheer for one team. Hope this makes sense, but anyway, not trying to ruffle any feathers.
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  • themunn wrote:
    13thMan wrote:Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.


    You've been here a week so I'll give you a pass.
    This place has been a joke over the offseason, you can't have a single Seahawk discussion without a Niner fan coming in and adding their 2 cents regarding their team.

    I don't give a shit about the Niners, we play them twice a year. This isn't a Niner forum and they can't seem to get their thick heads around that

    This thread was started discussion the laughable assertion that Percy Harvin was so important to our team and we're "lost" without him (obviously 4th is hardly lost, but you get my point). What does that have to do with San Francisco? Like I said, if Niner fans want to discuss when their crappy players get back from injury and how beastly they're going to be, fine. Just don't do it on a Seahawks board


    Don't blame 49ers fans for this. RichNhansom (a Seahawks fan) was the 1st poster to dedicate a post about the 49ers and incidentally it was filled with misinformation. A 49ers fan corrected him and now it's all us 49ers fans fault for derailing a thread topic?? Please. You guys are just as responsible. Don't blame 49ers fans presence. Maybe you guys should strive not to mention the 49ers in every goddamn thread.
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  • SoHo9erFan wrote:
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    13thMan wrote:Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.


    You've been here a week so I'll give you a pass.
    This place has been a joke over the offseason, you can't have a single Seahawk discussion without a Niner fan coming in and adding their 2 cents regarding their team.

    I don't give a shit about the Niners, we play them twice a year. This isn't a Niner forum and they can't seem to get their thick heads around that

    This thread was started discussion the laughable assertion that Percy Harvin was so important to our team and we're "lost" without him (obviously 4th is hardly lost, but you get my point). What does that have to do with San Francisco? Like I said, if Niner fans want to discuss when their crappy players get back from injury and how beastly they're going to be, fine. Just don't do it on a Seahawks board


    Don't blame 49ers fans for this. RichNhansom (a Seahawks fan) was the 1st poster to dedicate a post about the 49ers and incidentally it was filled with misinformation. A 49ers fan corrected him and now it's all us 49ers fans fault for derailing a thread topic?? Please. You guys are just as responsible. Don't blame 49ers fans presence. Maybe you guys should strive not to mention the 49ers in every goddamn thread.


    Um actually I was the first Seahawk fan to dedicate a post solely to 49ers fans.

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  • SoHo9erFan wrote:
    themunn wrote:
    13thMan wrote:Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.


    You've been here a week so I'll give you a pass.
    This place has been a joke over the offseason, you can't have a single Seahawk discussion without a Niner fan coming in and adding their 2 cents regarding their team.

    I don't give a shit about the Niners, we play them twice a year. This isn't a Niner forum and they can't seem to get their thick heads around that

    This thread was started discussion the laughable assertion that Percy Harvin was so important to our team and we're "lost" without him (obviously 4th is hardly lost, but you get my point). What does that have to do with San Francisco? Like I said, if Niner fans want to discuss when their crappy players get back from injury and how beastly they're going to be, fine. Just don't do it on a Seahawks board


    Don't blame 49ers fans for this. RichNhansom (a Seahawks fan) was the 1st poster to dedicate a post about the 49ers and incidentally it was filled with misinformation. A 49ers fan corrected him and now it's all us 49ers fans fault for derailing a thread topic?? Please. You guys are just as responsible. Don't blame 49ers fans presence. Maybe you guys should strive not to mention the 49ers in every goddamn thread.


    WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE
    Once again, his post was simply pointing out the ridiculousness of the fact that Seattle is being "punished" for losing Harvin, but those very same things that are being used as negatives (and being pointed out as negatives) by one particular media outlet are apparently not enough to bring the 49ers down.

    If it was Denver who'd lost their wide receivers we'd be talking about Denver right now, but at least we'd be able to have that conversation without some Broncos fans coming in and trying to correct everything we say. We're not a Broncos board, we're not a Cardinals board, we're not a Panthers board or a Bears board and we are most definitely NOT a Niners board.
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  • Its so nice to just have 49er fans (who have the right) back on here to talk their mess.
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  • SoHo9erFan wrote:
    themunn wrote:
    13thMan wrote:Munn, don't get your panties in a bunch... The sole purpose of starting a thread is to DISCUSS. Sheeeesh, chill out dude. I swear the level of sensitivity on the part of some posters is just off the charts. Relax.


    You've been here a week so I'll give you a pass.
    This place has been a joke over the offseason, you can't have a single Seahawk discussion without a Niner fan coming in and adding their 2 cents regarding their team.

    I don't give a shit about the Niners, we play them twice a year. This isn't a Niner forum and they can't seem to get their thick heads around that

    This thread was started discussion the laughable assertion that Percy Harvin was so important to our team and we're "lost" without him (obviously 4th is hardly lost, but you get my point). What does that have to do with San Francisco? Like I said, if Niner fans want to discuss when their crappy players get back from injury and how beastly they're going to be, fine. Just don't do it on a Seahawks board


    Don't blame 49ers fans for this. RichNhansom (a Seahawks fan) was the 1st poster to dedicate a post about the 49ers and incidentally it was filled with misinformation. A 49ers fan corrected him and now it's all us 49ers fans fault for derailing a thread topic?? Please. You guys are just as responsible. Don't blame 49ers fans presence. Maybe you guys should strive not to mention the 49ers in every goddamn thread.


    If you weren't here it wouldn't be going on. Pretty simple really.
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  • ^^^ That is simply false. We aren't starting the Kaepernick/Harbaugh/49er obsession fest.

    Like I said before, Seahawks can beat us twice a year 100 to 0, I wouldn't care if the 49ers won the division. Head to head means very little in the NFL.
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  • mretrade wrote:^^^ That is simply false. We aren't starting the Kaepernick/Harbaugh/49er obsession fest.

    Like I said before, Seahawks can beat us twice a year 100 to 0, I wouldn't care if the 49ers won the division. Head to head means very little in the NFL.


    blah blah blah blah, we don't have an obsession, they're a divisional rival (and our closest competitor to the division title), of course they're going to be mentioned in passing.

    however, that doesn't mean we need you to come in and "correct" everything we say, because guess what... we don't give a rats arse about your opinion of your team
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  • Its not opinion, its not subjective, he stated things that were not true.

    Delanie Walker was not 2nd in targets last year
    Kyle Williams is not out injured
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