Will Thurmond win the job over Browner...?

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  • Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?
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  • m0ng0 wrote:Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?


    I cant see Browner getting cut or traded, what would be the benefit of trading a Pro-Bowl corner right before a season?
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  • kearly wrote:Browner is probably the league's nastiest press corner, and he combines that with smart play, good awareness, a big wingspan and soft hands. He's actually pretty fast in a dead sprint too, its just that he lacks fluidity which really hurts him against quicker receivers with regards to short area quickness. Browner is also a very nice player to have in run support. Browner was a legit pro-bowler in 2011 and was even better in 2012 (disqualified - Adderall).

    So it's with no disrespect when I agree with many others that Thurmond is the better of the two. Thurmond's ball skills rival Sherman's, and the rest of his game isn't terribly far behind. Maybe Thurmond really can't stay healthy, but if he does stay on the field, he's on his way to doing great things.

    IIRC, Pete didn't shy away from getting his backup DBs on the field last season, even before we lost Browner. So I expect we'll see a lot of rotating at the position, and both will be 2013 contributors.


    I couldn't agree with you more Kip. Thurmond's talent is undeniable. The times he's actually been in there he's looked good -- VERY GOOD IMO. In terms of his coverage ability, I'd say he's far superior to Browner, but then again Browner just plays such a different game -- he's the yin to Sherman's yang because of how physical he plays and how he can disrupt opposing WR's routes. Thurmond's biggest problem has always been a matter of being able to stay healthy. If he's actually able to for any sustainable period of time ... then absolutely he's quite capable of winning that starting spot. In the end my money's on Browner, but it should be an interesting competition for sure. Even if he doesn't, I'd say Thurmond's a lock in dime packages and would be an incredible shot in the arm there along with Winfield.
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  • GoldenIsThyTate wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?


    I cant see Browner getting cut or traded, what would be the benefit of trading a Pro-Bowl corner right before a season?


    I could just about see the benefit of trading him if we were to get a high pick (assuming the FO thought Thurmond was the better option).
    Obviously the same applies to Thurmond, but his perceived value by other teams probably isn't an accurate reflection of his actual value.

    As such, I don't believe that either will be cut or traded. I could maybe see the logic in Winfield getting cut (for Thurmond), but none of the three have a particularly high cap hit, so I really don't see any value to getting rid of any unless we get a ridiculous offer
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  • Thurmond is fun to fantasize about, but his claim to fame so far is being as durable as wet cardboard, and a pass interference call in the endzone in the Saints playoff game. Until he can actually stay on a field for multiple games in a row in a significant role, I don't think we really have any idea what kind of player thurmond is yet
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  • ensett wrote:Thurmond is fun to fantasize about, but his claim to fame so far is being as durable as wet cardboard, and a pass interference call in the endzone in the Saints playoff game. Until he can actually stay on a field for multiple games in a row in a significant role, I don't think we really have any idea what kind of player thurmond is yet


    Again, Thurmond has played 22 games, including 14 in a row during the 2010 season. If he were as much a stranger to the field as you and others are implying, we wouldn't have the football-savvy guys on this board (e.g. Kip and Hawkscanner) comparing him to Browner in net value, not to mention Sando. The distinct goodwill and anticipation for Thurmond that has remained amongst the community, journalists, and bloggers doesn't exist for no reason. He HAS played enough to give us an idea of his potential.

    I'm not taking Moon's comment about cutting one of them at face value. Given WT3's injury history, Browner's effective but one-dimensional game, their combined cheapness, and room for both on the roster, there's absolutely no compelling reason to jettison either one. If one must be traded, trade Browner. Thurmond has the talent, we've got Winfield in the slot, there's ridiculous depth, and Browner might well fetch a third-rounder from some idiot front office.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    ensett wrote:Thurmond is fun to fantasize about, but his claim to fame so far is being as durable as wet cardboard, and a pass interference call in the endzone in the Saints playoff game. Until he can actually stay on a field for multiple games in a row in a significant role, I don't think we really have any idea what kind of player thurmond is yet


    Again, Thurmond has played 22 games, including 14 in a row during the 2010 season. If he were as much a stranger to the field as you and others are implying, we wouldn't have the football-savvy guys on this board (e.g. Kip and Hawkscanner) comparing him to Browner in net value, not to mention Sando. The distinct goodwill and anticipation for Thurmond that has remained amongst the community, journalists, and bloggers doesn't exist for no reason. He HAS played enough to give us an idea of his potential.

    I'm not taking Moon's comment about cutting one of them at face value. Given WT3's injury history, Browner's effective but one-dimensional game, their combined cheapness, and room for both on the roster, there's absolutely no compelling reason to jettison either one. If one must be traded, trade Browner. Thurmond has the talent, we've got Winfield in the slot, there's ridiculous depth, and Browner might well fetch a third-rounder from some idiot front office.

    You're aware that the Seahawks have played 51 games during that time frame, right? But Thurmond was able to play 14 in a row!! Let's crown his ass~!

    I ask again, since nobody would answer. How many of those 22 games did Thurmond spend significant time at corner? How many were primarily special teams games with a little nickel mixed in?

    If you had to bet your house this season....would Thurmond be healthy enough for 12 games?

    I don't think anybody has said he isn't talented. Just that there is no way to be sure yet how talented, and that he can't stay on the field anywhere near long enough to be trusted to the point where you demote an improving player that is already a pro-bowler.

    Lets see if the kid can even stay off IR for a few weeks before we go around demoting very good players. This is getting ridiculous.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote: Browner might well fetch a third-rounder from some idiot front office.



    Why on earth would we trade Browner for a lousy Third round pick going into THIS season?

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  • m0ng0 wrote:Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?



    Sounds like Moon is already drunk.

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  • GoldenIsThyTate wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?


    I cant see Browner getting cut or traded, what would be the benefit of trading a Pro-Bowl corner right before a season?


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  • Cleveland would become really really good defensively with a second stud corner...
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  • When Whitehurst and Depalma are working him I think Browner is fine.
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  • Browner and ET make a great combo. Browner bullies them at the line enough to slow the route down giving ET more than enough time to read the QB.
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  • For all the raving in camp, Thurmond looked incredibly average today. Meh.
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  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:For all the raving in camp, Thurmond looked incredibly average today. Meh.


    He was a step behind all game. Could be him getting up to speed. Could be that he has lost a step. Would like to see more of him. Winfield wasn't tested much tonight, so it is hard to make a real comparison.
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  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:For all the raving in camp, Thurmond looked incredibly average today. Meh.


    Agreed
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  • HawksFTW wrote:
    Coug_Hawk08 wrote:For all the raving in camp, Thurmond looked incredibly average today. Meh.


    He was a step behind all game. Could be him getting up to speed. Could be that he has lost a step. Would like to see more of him. Winfield wasn't tested much tonight, so it is hard to make a real comparison.

    Agree but it was nice seeing Thurmond out there regardless.
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  • Thurmond is probably rusty as heck after spending the majority of every season since he was in HS on the sideline
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  • I'd rather see Maxwell out there then Thurmond if tonight was any indication of what he's going to be like this year. He wasn't even average....
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  • The Radish wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:Warren Moon just stated on whatever the 3pm kiro sports dudez show is that he thinks one of these two will not be on the team. I don't see either getting cut, maybe one gets traded or is Warren is talking out his backside?



    Sounds like Moon is already drunk.

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    Yep, 'd like to have some of what he's smoking, if he truly believes that.
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  • mikeak wrote:Thurmond is getting 1st unit reps so that we can trade him this year for good value....

    THIS +
    There aren't too many Receivers/TE's standing in line to take this bull by the horns.
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  • Maybe but then again if he stays healthy he's our nickel back next year at the very least.
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  • I thought WT3 looked slow out there last night, even on his punt return he lacked explosiveness. I wonder how WT3 fits in with the other DB's? It seem like the secondary has great chemistry, i just don't ever remember Walter being around those guys. Might just be he's always in the training room. If i had to choose between the two right now, it's not even close, BB would win by a mile. BB might give up a little here and there but his big play ability, toughness, durability and Swag make up that. If WT3 can stay healthy for 16 games then maybe we can discuss this next preseason.
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  • Thurmond has a lot of rust to dust off. He will be fine. My only thing with him, was when he was returning punts I was thinking that his leg could just break in half at any time for no reason.
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  • Thurmond was pretty bad last night. Maybe he was just a bit rusty, but I don't see him taking over for Browner.

    I think the question should be, does he even make this team?
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  • My answer is no.
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  • For Walter to take BBs spot he will have to perform a lot better than he did yesterday, that's for sure.
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  • Browner can take a guy like Terrell Owens, jam him at the line and then drive him into the ground completely taking him out of the play. I'll never forget that. It's irreplaceable, and I doubt Thurmond could ever do anything like it.

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  • I have always liked Thurmond. however I think something needs to be said about tackle football.
    When you tackle someone hard, or hit them hard they tend to hear footsteps and it throws off their game.
    Browner brings this physicality to the corner position that accents our defense. Thurmond brings a great nickel position.
    Lets not forget... It was browner and Thurmond who started out as our corners a few years back.
    all i'm saying is just because you don't see uniqueness doesn't mean it isn't there ;)
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  • I can't believe this thread exists.. :141847_bnono:
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  • Exactly. Thurmond isn't going anywhere and probably is our nickel corner soon enough.
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