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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:39 am
  • jammerhawk wrote:
    SmokinHawk wrote:My gut tells me that Percy is going to milk this as much as he can to avoid practicing with the team, but when the season rolls around, he will be suited up and featured prominently in the offense.


    Not criticizing at all but your view is pretty negative as far as Harvin is concerned. Don't you think Percy actually wants to practice and play with the Seahawks? My suspicion is he is actually more than a tad frustrated by this situation and wants to play and practice pain free or at least so he doesn't aggravate the hip any further or so he knows how it can be healed that works best for him and for the team.


    Well, I wouldn't have this opinion if Percy Harvin didn't have a history of pulling similar shit. I guess it amounts to what is more important to him, collecting a paycheck (which he will do no matter what happens), or winning a championship.

    At any rate, I expect we will have our answer soon enough.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:54 am
  • As per the presser going on now no news on percy yet
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:57 am
  • Have his former coaches or teammates ever said Percy plays games or is that just the media/fan opinion? I'm pretty much thinking it's the latter, and I suspect a lot of it comes from people who never had a migraine in their lives. If they had, they wouldn't question anyone not wanting to practice while having one.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:17 pm
  • Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

    I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:19 pm
  • I think Percy's just milking it for all he can. Dude hates practicing and that's never been a secret about him.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:40 pm
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:54 pm
  • Florio is always a negative Nellie and sometime no news is just exactly that, no news.

    I don't think Percy will lose any playing time but my opinion has the same weight as the negative viewpoint.

    In the same vein the news that Rice is flying to Switzerland for blood platlette treatment to his knee or knees may also be no news, a curiousity, or bad news. Pick your poison according to your viewpoint.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:02 pm
  • I a, under the idea that no news is bad news. Please, do not let this require surgery!
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:07 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:I a, under the idea that no news is bad news. Please, do not let this require surgery!


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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:09 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

    I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.


    He's just milking it for a more dramatic post and more traffic. He knows nothing more than anybody else at this point. Rapaport said Harvin would consider his options this evening: isn't it possible that the reason why we haven't heard much is because Harvin hasn't decided what he was going to do?
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:10 pm
  • I doubt that no news means anything. I'm sure Harvin is talking to Carroll, Schneider, and the team docs about the best course of action, maybe even as we speak.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:11 pm
  • What does incarceratedBob have to say about this?
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:13 pm
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:13 pm
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:14 pm
  • Bottom line, Florio told people Harvin would see the doctor and Tuesday, he knows that people are logging onto his site to see if there's any news on Harvin, but there isn't any so he spins that as something ominous just so he can have something to day about it. It may well be bad news, but the fact that we haven't heard anything yet is not evidence of impending bad news no matter how much Florio tries to pretend otherwise.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:16 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

    I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.


    Maybe.

    There is a tear in the labrum, that we know according to Seattle's doctors...........so this isn't a "is there a tear or isn't there" black and white 2nd opinion issue.

    This is a "how bad is the tear, and can I play on it this year without jeopardizing my career or have long term problems" gray area. So that's why we haven't heard anything yet. It might take a couple days for Harvin to talk to everyone involved and come up with a course of action.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:16 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

    I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.



    Florio's spot on. Let's call this as it is.... a shambles.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:20 pm
  • I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:23 pm
  • Just pretend we didn't have a first round pick, and all will be fine. Because our dream of Harvin was just that.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:49 pm
  • A poster over on another site said that he had a torn "labia". Lucky for us...because that would probably be a career ender.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:58 pm
  • SmokinHawk wrote:I think Percy's just milking it for all he can. Dude hates practicing and that's never been a secret about him.

    Didn't Percy injure the hip running full speed at a non team practice? Him, Russell, and the boys were getting ready for camp and he hurt himself? Doesn't sound like a guy who hates practicing.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:08 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).


    No need to apologise, but I don't see what I'm speculating about really? After all, I'm just agreeing with Florio and suggesting myself this has become a shambles. Which IMO, it has.

    Harvin's gone from flying around one minute, to sitting the next. The team doctors say he can play, but then he wants a second opinion. It's taken days to get that second opinion, dragging out the drama even longer. And now everyone is being forced to wait even longer while Percy finally decides what he wants to do.

    Harvin is known for drama, and this is another example. Make a decision Percy and get on with it so whatever happens this team can move on.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:17 pm
  • I just heard; have surgery and be available about week 12 or play through.

    I dont care either way.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:20 pm
  • Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:26 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).


    No need to apologise, but I don't see what I'm speculating about really? After all, I'm just agreeing with Florio and suggesting myself this has become a shambles. Which IMO, it has.

    Harvin's gone from flying around one minute, to sitting the next. The team doctors say he can play, but then he wants a second opinion. It's taken days to get that second opinion, dragging out the drama even longer. And now everyone is being forced to wait even longer while Percy finally decides what he wants to do.

    Harvin is known for drama, and this is another example. Make a decision Percy and get on with it so whatever happens this team can move on.


    I'm sorry, I just don't see the drama here. If Harvin plays through this injury and it turns out to be more serious than the team doctor thinks it is, he is risking a more serious injury that could affect not only his career but his life after football. Don't you think that's worth taking a little time to be sure?

    And now that he has seen the doctor and gotten his second opinion, don't you think it's worth taking a few hours, maybe even sleeping on it, to think it over and make the right decision?

    You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?

    And as for agreeing with Florio, why? The man basically said that he has nothing to report but that it COULD be a bad outcome. Nobody has anything to report and everyone knows that the outcome could be bad. Florio is the same guy who concocted a theory last spring that the Seahawks could cut Sidney Rice for cap reasons after trading for Harvin and based that theory on ZERO actual evidence. The man just throws [stuff] up against the wall to see what sticks. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:27 pm
  • bigtrain21 wrote:Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.


    I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:33 pm
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    bigtrain21 wrote:Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.


    I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.

    Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:40 pm
  • Shadowhawk wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't see the drama here. If Harvin plays through this injury and it turns out to be more serious than the team doctor thinks it is, he is risking a more serious injury that could affect not only his career but his life after football. Don't you think that's worth taking a little time to be sure?


    I'm willing to accept this if we're also going to say the team doctors are incompetent and making decisions in the absolute interest of the team and not the player. Usually when you get cleared, you're cleared. You don't fly to New York to seek out a specialist who... given any opportunity to perform surgery... is likely to push for it. However minor.

    Shadowhawk wrote:don't you think it's worth taking a few hours, maybe even sleeping on it, to think it over and make the right decision? You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?


    No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

    He has the information now. It's time to make a decision. Either have the surgery or don't. There's no need for it to be "slept on".

    Shadowhawk wrote:You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?


    Can you tell me then how long injuries usually take to be diagnosed? Especially after the team doctors have cleared you? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six days now by my count since camp began. It'll stretch into a seventh.

    Shadowhawk wrote:And as for agreeing with Florio, why? The man basically said that he has nothing to report but that it COULD be a bad outcome. Nobody has anything to report and everyone knows that the outcome could be bad. Florio is the same guy who concocted a theory last spring that the Seahawks could cut Sidney Rice for cap reasons after trading for Harvin and based that theory on ZERO actual evidence. The man just throws [stuff] up against the wall to see what sticks. Take it with a grain of salt.


    No, Florio actually says if it was just a case of no surgery the chances are it would have been announced today that everything was fine and he'd be involved in camp ASAP. And he is spot on. The fact that we're all still hanging on suggests the team and Harvin's rep's are doing one of two things - either trying to convince him not to take surgery, or discussing the surgery options. For me, any kind of surgery is bad news because he's going to miss considerable time.

    And I'm not really fussed what Florio has written in the past. I don't think his work is constantly accurate by any means, but in this case I agree with him. This isn't throwing stuff against a wall. It's his view. A view that I, not unfairly I'd say, share.
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Re: Harvin -
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:46 pm
  • KCHawkGirl wrote:Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.


    Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:48 pm
  • In the last hour it finally clicked, I don't think I'll care that much if he misses games, we have Russell Wilson, emerging depth, and hopefully an even better defense. Whatever.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:53 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.


    Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

    Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

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    Talk about impatient. You seriously need to chill out because whatever the deal is we will know soon enough, excuse me that it's just not matching your personal schedule. :roll:

    It isn't like he's critical to our success or anything. He would be nice to have but not critical say like someone called Russell Wilson?
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:57 pm
  • pehawk wrote:I just heard; have surgery and be available about week 12 or play through.

    I dont care either way.


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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:00 pm
  • Sportcenter and John Clayton. Surgery, he's available last quarter of the season. No surgery, he grinds through.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:02 pm
  • KCHawkGirl wrote:Talk about impatient. You seriously need to chill out because whatever the deal is we will know soon enough, excuse me that it's just not matching your personal schedule. :roll:


    Just in case you weren't aware... people can have a different opinion on a particular subject. It is actually allowed on the internet, believe it or not.

    But the irony of your bossy madam routine telling someone to "chill out" has been noted.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:02 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I'm willing to accept this if we're also going to say the team doctors are incompetent and making decisions in the absolute interest of the team and not the player. Usually when you get cleared, you're cleared. You don't fly to New York to seek out a specialist who... given any opportunity to perform surgery... is likely to push for it. However minor.


    Why don't we ask Kenny Easley about how competent his team doctors were and how much they cared about his welfare? Based on multiple reports, the team has said they want Harvin to play through this. The team doctor has said Harvin can play. But if they are wrong, it's Harvin who has to live with their mistake, just like Easley did.

    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

    He has the information now. It's time to make a decision. Either have the surgery or don't. There's no need for it to be "slept on".


    And everyone who has posted on this 26-page thread, local and national media, and an entire fan base all have one thing in common: it doesn't matter one damn bit what we think. If Carroll and Schneider came out and said that Harvin needs to make a decision, THAT would matter. If Seahawks players were coming out and saying Harvin needs to make a decision, THAT would matter. But as far as I'm concerned, Percy Harvin has no obligation to anyone else as far as when he has to make a decision. If you have anything suggesting that the front office or the rest of the team is getting restless, I'll concede the point. But I don't think you do. There may be drama on a few message boards but the only thing that counts is whether there is drama in the Seahawks locker room, and there is no evidence that that is the case.

    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Can you tell me then how long injuries usually take to be diagnosed? Especially after the team doctors have cleared you? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six days now by my count since camp began. It'll stretch into a seventh.


    I highly doubt that Percy Harvin is this doctor's only patient. Today was probably the soonest that the doctor could see him. Again, if you have any evidence to the contrary present it. And as far as the team doctor is concerned, see my first response.

    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:No, Florio actually says if it was just a case of no surgery the chances are it would have been announced today that everything was fine and he'd be involved in camp ASAP. And he is spot on. The fact that we're all still hanging on suggests the team and Harvin's rep's are doing one of two things - either trying to convince him not to take surgery, or discussing the surgery options. For me, any kind of surgery is bad news because he's going to miss considerable time.

    And I'm not really fussed what Florio has written in the past. I don't think his work is constantly accurate by any means, but in this case I agree with him. This isn't throwing stuff against a wall. It's his view. A view that I, not unfairly I'd say, share.


    The question isn't whether Harvin will have surgery; surgery is probably inevitable at some point. The question is whether Harvin can afford to wait to delay surgery until after the season the way Kam Chancellor did last year. And on that score, Florio has no new information and is falling back on his old days when PFT was nothing more than a rumor site. I brought up the Rice story from last spring as evidence that Florio tends to make stuff up just to attract readers. He is doing the same in this case.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:04 pm
  • ExperienceJones wrote:Softy reporting he's done for the year.



    uhhh...wut?
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:06 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:
    ExperienceJones wrote:Softy reporting he's done for the year.



    uhhh...wut?


    That's what I heard, might have misheard. Had to leave the car.
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Re: Harvin -
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:07 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.


    Why should a player make a medical decision that affects his future based on the impatience of the media and the fanbase? That seems like a terrible reason to rush into a major medical decision. The fact that many fans are freaking out about this should have no baring on the decision. Any decision should be made based on discussions between the player and the team period.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:07 pm
  • ExperienceJones wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:
    ExperienceJones wrote:Softy reporting he's done for the year.



    uhhh...wut?


    That's what I heard.


    You heard it on the radio? Or you heard it from someone who "heard" it on the radio?
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:08 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:
    ExperienceJones wrote:Softy reporting he's done for the year.



    uhhh...wut?


    I would be happy with surgery, but back week 12 or so. That wouldn't be the worst result.

    Done for year? Might as well try and play through if you can monitor the injury and check that you are not making the tear bigger.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:09 pm
  • listening to KJR now they are just posing a hypothetical quesiton about what people think "IF" he's done for the year.

    I hate it when they do these dumb "IF" segments becuase if you tune in in the middle its hard to tell that it's a hypothetical.
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Re: Harvin -
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:09 pm
  • Shadowhawk wrote:He is doing the same in this case.


    I still don't understand this suggestion that he's making anything up.

    Florio's not talking in facts. He's suggesting, again, not unfairly IMO, that the fact Harvin hasn't just come out and been cleared by this specialist suggests it's not the good news we were hoping for. I think we can all agree that the chances are Harvin won't come out tomorrow and say, "the specialist says I'm good to go". What is more likely is that the specialist has suggested surgery and the team are now talking to Harvin about the options. Otherwise we'd have heard something by now.

    I get that some people don't much like Florio, but in this instance I find it hard to argue with him. He's called it pretty well for me.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:10 pm
  • ExperienceJones wrote:
    Missing_Clink wrote:
    ExperienceJones wrote:Softy reporting he's done for the year.



    uhhh...wut?


    That's what I heard, might have misheard. Had to leave the car.


    Nothing on Twitter yet, and you've got to figure that news like that would be exploding by now. Probably a mishear. [crossing fingers]
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:10 pm
  • Also the idea that percy harvin is like a 12 year old who gets a doctors note to get out of gym class is idiocy.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
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Re: Harvin -
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:12 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:Talk about impatient. You seriously need to chill out because whatever the deal is we will know soon enough, excuse me that it's just not matching your personal schedule. :roll:


    Just in case you weren't aware... people can have a different opinion on a particular subject. It is actually allowed on the internet, believe it or not.

    But the irony of your bossy madam routine telling someone to "chill out" has been noted.

    I don't care that you have an opposing opinion because your opinion whatever it imay be is yours and you have a perfect right to it. But know that it affects nothing about the situation or myself.
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Re: Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:13 pm
  • so far this is the only solid anything i can find, from Sando just saying Percy is taking tonight to weigh his options, which probably means it's up to him if he's going to get surgery that will likely end most or all of his season, or if he's going to play through it.

    my hope is that he plays through it. I don't need him to be spectacular, I just want him to be a threat.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/s ... gh-options
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Re: Harvin -
Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:13 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.


    Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

    Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

    :roll:


    Damn straight.

    I agree with this in it's entirety. Further, call me a pr*ck, but I don't have a lot of concern re. whether or not Harvin walks with a slight limp as he laughs his way to the bank for the next 60 years. There is a trade off in life and in sports. Not many in here can say they don't risk a piece of their future happiness to provide for the family today. We are not the Shanahan ran Redskins. We are known for being cautious and caring of our team. IF the Hawk doc has cleared him to play, he should be playing. Period. If not, give the money back and GTFOODodge. In what other occupation is Harvin equipped to bank 25 million front money? I hear football is a very rough sport and there has even been reports of injury. It's part of the game and that is the trade off.

    Stallone pumped roids to chisel his body. He understood this may cause him problems later in life so his trade off was: be a semi-dumb thumb breaker, ala Rocky, for life, or push the envelop and live a few less years but do so as a jet-setting, multi-millionaire playboy. Harvin, and every other player, has committed to this same trade off. Harvin made a choice and we lived up to our end of the deal. Now it's time for him to do the same, unless he wants to replace Kelly Stouffer and Dan McQwire on our biggest bust of all time list.

    I sincerely hope this rant was for naught and we get good news sooner than later. Rant over.
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