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#Seahawks WR Percy Harvin’s visit with Dr. Bryan Kelly about his hip is finishing, I’m told. Harvin will consider his options tonight.
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That kind of sounds like he's going to miss games.

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Sounds like the surgery option is very much on the table right now. Not surprising, but very disappointing


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Way too soon to say!

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"options" means he has more options than just surgery...

it now comes down to a pain tolerance, performance degradation, and potential pitfalls for re-aggravation.


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rest him until the season starts, thats over a month of of R&R

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Something that's going to weigh heavily in Percy's decision is going to be a potential Super Bowl ring. Can you imagine electing to have the surgery, then watching your teammates potentially play in or win the Super Bowl that you could have been on the field for? Personally, if it's a minor tear, I'm on the field.

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Yeah, the "news" by Rapport doesn't seem like anything.

Honestly I doubt we hear anything today and tomorrow Pete says they are gonna take it easy with him but I doubt surgery will be performed before this season. He may opt to wait till after the season, everyone talks about how tough Harvin is, if Chancellor played with a similar injury, I can see Harvin playing through the season.


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My gut tells me that Percy is going to milk this as much as he can to avoid practicing with the team, but when the season rolls around, he will be suited up and featured prominently in the offense.

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#Seahawks WR Percy Harvin’s visit with Dr. Bryan Kelly about his hip is finishing, I’m told. Harvin will consider his options tonight.
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Talk about vague............

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even if he misses some games, just seeing how focused and determined Baldwin and Tate are , makes me feel very confident in the recieving core going into the season..

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I think he'll play. Just a hunch, nothing to go on.

He probably wants to really feel a part of the parade that will be going down Fourth this February.

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Of course surgery is on the table. The doc evaluating him today is going to be the guy performing it. The tear was already known.

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Thats what the Doc see's when he says Surgery is an option. He would be dumb not too.

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That's too vague to suss anything out. Considering his options? How many are there?

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Rest and Rehab for the entire season, let the thing heal on its own without surgery, become ultra-explosive for the playoff run -- opposing coaches won't even be able to gameplan for it.
The Wilson-Harvin connection would be unknown and something to be feared.

The above is imagination at play. No knowledge of science or Harvin's situation necessary.

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That's too vague to suss anything out. Considering his options? How many are there?


I imagine that if the tear was bad enough that Harvin couldn't play on it at all, there'd only be the one option.

So in a way, it's good that there seem to be more.

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That's too vague to suss anything out. Considering his options? How many are there?


I imagine that if the tear was bad enough that Harvin couldn't play on it at all, there'd only be the one option.

So in a way, it's good that there seem to be more.

That's what I was trying to point out actually. It seems like playing isn't a fantasy but a viable option. And all we hear about is how competitive Percy is. So maybe the situation isn't as dire as many think.

Who cares if he misses practices? Marshawn does all the time.

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On Q It Up Sports last night, they had a clip of John Schnieder saying: "It's possible he could be suited up and practicing next week"
Of course last week PC said surgery could mean he's out for the season, but that could just be a PC mind-fk directed at Harvin--"You screw with me, you don't play"

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My gut tells me that Percy is going to milk this as much as he can to avoid practicing with the team, but when the season rolls around, he will be suited up and featured prominently in the offense.


Not criticizing at all but your view is pretty negative as far as Harvin is concerned. Don't you think Percy actually wants to practice and play with the Seahawks? My suspicion is he is actually more than a tad frustrated by this situation and wants to play and practice pain free or at least so he doesn't aggravate the hip any further or so he knows how it can be healed that works best for him and for the team.

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My gut tells me that Percy is going to milk this as much as he can to avoid practicing with the team, but when the season rolls around, he will be suited up and featured prominently in the offense.


Not criticizing at all but your view is pretty negative as far as Harvin is concerned. Don't you think Percy actually wants to practice and play with the Seahawks? My suspicion is he is actually more than a tad frustrated by this situation and wants to play and practice pain free or at least so he doesn't aggravate the hip any further or so he knows how it can be healed that works best for him and for the team.


Well, I wouldn't have this opinion if Percy Harvin didn't have a history of pulling similar shit. I guess it amounts to what is more important to him, collecting a paycheck (which he will do no matter what happens), or winning a championship.

At any rate, I expect we will have our answer soon enough.

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As per the presser going on now no news on percy yet

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Have his former coaches or teammates ever said Percy plays games or is that just the media/fan opinion? I'm pretty much thinking it's the latter, and I suspect a lot of it comes from people who never had a migraine in their lives. If they had, they wouldn't question anyone not wanting to practice while having one.

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When it comes to the outcome of Seahawks receiver Percy Harvin’s second opinion on the torn labrum in his hip, the flow of information has gone to less than a trickle.

And that may not be good news for the team and the player.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/on-harvin-no-news-may-not-be-good-news/

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Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.


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I think Percy's just milking it for all he can. Dude hates practicing and that's never been a secret about him.

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Florio is always a negative Nellie and sometime no news is just exactly that, no news.

I don't think Percy will lose any playing time but my opinion has the same weight as the negative viewpoint.

In the same vein the news that Rice is flying to Switzerland for blood platlette treatment to his knee or knees may also be no news, a curiousity, or bad news. Pick your poison according to your viewpoint.

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I a, under the idea that no news is bad news. Please, do not let this require surgery!

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I a, under the idea that no news is bad news. Please, do not let this require surgery!


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Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.


He's just milking it for a more dramatic post and more traffic. He knows nothing more than anybody else at this point. Rapaport said Harvin would consider his options this evening: isn't it possible that the reason why we haven't heard much is because Harvin hasn't decided what he was going to do?


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I doubt that no news means anything. I'm sure Harvin is talking to Carroll, Schneider, and the team docs about the best course of action, maybe even as we speak.

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Bottom line, Florio told people Harvin would see the doctor and Tuesday, he knows that people are logging onto his site to see if there's any news on Harvin, but there isn't any so he spins that as something ominous just so he can have something to day about it. It may well be bad news, but the fact that we haven't heard anything yet is not evidence of impending bad news no matter how much Florio tries to pretend otherwise.


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Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.


Maybe.

There is a tear in the labrum, that we know according to Seattle's doctors...........so this isn't a "is there a tear or isn't there" black and white 2nd opinion issue.

This is a "how bad is the tear, and can I play on it this year without jeopardizing my career or have long term problems" gray area. So that's why we haven't heard anything yet. It might take a couple days for Harvin to talk to everyone involved and come up with a course of action.

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Florio says no news may be bad news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... good-news/

I know it is sacrilegious to endorse a Florio opinion or to be negative about this whole thing around here, but I agree with him. If the news was good, we'd know by now.



Florio's spot on. Let's call this as it is.... a shambles.


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I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).

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Just pretend we didn't have a first round pick, and all will be fine. Because our dream of Harvin was just that.
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A poster over on another site said that he had a torn "labia". Lucky for us...because that would probably be a career ender.


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I think Percy's just milking it for all he can. Dude hates practicing and that's never been a secret about him.

Didn't Percy injure the hip running full speed at a non team practice? Him, Russell, and the boys were getting ready for camp and he hurt himself? Doesn't sound like a guy who hates practicing.

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I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).


No need to apologise, but I don't see what I'm speculating about really? After all, I'm just agreeing with Florio and suggesting myself this has become a shambles. Which IMO, it has.

Harvin's gone from flying around one minute, to sitting the next. The team doctors say he can play, but then he wants a second opinion. It's taken days to get that second opinion, dragging out the drama even longer. And now everyone is being forced to wait even longer while Percy finally decides what he wants to do.

Harvin is known for drama, and this is another example. Make a decision Percy and get on with it so whatever happens this team can move on.


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I just heard; have surgery and be available about week 12 or play through.

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Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.


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I am sorry, but this is just speculation on your part, even if it is coming from an exceptionally intelligent person whose work I very much enjoy reading (if theENGLISHseahawk is who I think that he is).


No need to apologise, but I don't see what I'm speculating about really? After all, I'm just agreeing with Florio and suggesting myself this has become a shambles. Which IMO, it has.

Harvin's gone from flying around one minute, to sitting the next. The team doctors say he can play, but then he wants a second opinion. It's taken days to get that second opinion, dragging out the drama even longer. And now everyone is being forced to wait even longer while Percy finally decides what he wants to do.

Harvin is known for drama, and this is another example. Make a decision Percy and get on with it so whatever happens this team can move on.


I'm sorry, I just don't see the drama here. If Harvin plays through this injury and it turns out to be more serious than the team doctor thinks it is, he is risking a more serious injury that could affect not only his career but his life after football. Don't you think that's worth taking a little time to be sure?

And now that he has seen the doctor and gotten his second opinion, don't you think it's worth taking a few hours, maybe even sleeping on it, to think it over and make the right decision?

You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?

And as for agreeing with Florio, why? The man basically said that he has nothing to report but that it COULD be a bad outcome. Nobody has anything to report and everyone knows that the outcome could be bad. Florio is the same guy who concocted a theory last spring that the Seahawks could cut Sidney Rice for cap reasons after trading for Harvin and based that theory on ZERO actual evidence. The man just throws [stuff] up against the wall to see what sticks. Take it with a grain of salt.


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Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.


I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.


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Can you define "become a shambles"? I have never seen the term shambles used in that way. Thanks.


I'm saying it's become a bit of a mess and needs sorting asap so the team can move on, whatever the decision.

Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.

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I'm sorry, I just don't see the drama here. If Harvin plays through this injury and it turns out to be more serious than the team doctor thinks it is, he is risking a more serious injury that could affect not only his career but his life after football. Don't you think that's worth taking a little time to be sure?


I'm willing to accept this if we're also going to say the team doctors are incompetent and making decisions in the absolute interest of the team and not the player. Usually when you get cleared, you're cleared. You don't fly to New York to seek out a specialist who... given any opportunity to perform surgery... is likely to push for it. However minor.

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don't you think it's worth taking a few hours, maybe even sleeping on it, to think it over and make the right decision? You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?


No, I think it's time to make a decision. You might not think this is drama... but I see a 26 page thread on this forum, constant Twitter chatter among both local and national media and an entire fan base wondering what the hell is going on.

He has the information now. It's time to make a decision. Either have the surgery or don't. There's no need for it to be "slept on".

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You talk about this "dragging on even longer," but it has only been five days! Five days in which he probably wouldn't have been practicing anyway. What is the big deal?


Can you tell me then how long injuries usually take to be diagnosed? Especially after the team doctors have cleared you? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Six days now by my count since camp began. It'll stretch into a seventh.

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And as for agreeing with Florio, why? The man basically said that he has nothing to report but that it COULD be a bad outcome. Nobody has anything to report and everyone knows that the outcome could be bad. Florio is the same guy who concocted a theory last spring that the Seahawks could cut Sidney Rice for cap reasons after trading for Harvin and based that theory on ZERO actual evidence. The man just throws [stuff] up against the wall to see what sticks. Take it with a grain of salt.


No, Florio actually says if it was just a case of no surgery the chances are it would have been announced today that everything was fine and he'd be involved in camp ASAP. And he is spot on. The fact that we're all still hanging on suggests the team and Harvin's rep's are doing one of two things - either trying to convince him not to take surgery, or discussing the surgery options. For me, any kind of surgery is bad news because he's going to miss considerable time.

And I'm not really fussed what Florio has written in the past. I don't think his work is constantly accurate by any means, but in this case I agree with him. This isn't throwing stuff against a wall. It's his view. A view that I, not unfairly I'd say, share.


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Move on from what? They haven't even played one preseason game or even got to the first cutdown day. Seems the only drama going on is completely in your head.


Yes... it's all me. This is actually a subject of minor interest to Seahawks fans and the wider NFL. In fact I doubt anyone is really all that interested in it. It'll probably be filed underneath "Blaine Gabbert camp update" and "Andy Reid eats sandwich" on NFL.com

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

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