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 Post subject: Concern for Marshawn
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Does anyone else have the same concern for Marshawn as me as it pertains to fumbles? In his last three games, he fumbled in each, losing two of those at critical times of the game. I hope this is a fluke and not some trend that is on the horizon.

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So you are concerned based on his last few games as opposed to being excited about all of his others?

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If he falls off we got 2 other talented runners to pick up the slack, I'm not in the least bit worried about the RB position.

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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.

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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.

How else would they fumble???


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How else? Did you ever see Dave Krieg play? The master of fumbling when there was no contact.

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No denying it was a problem in the post season especially because it was in critical situations.. but what did he have 4, 5 fumbles all season? i don't see it as an issue when you look at the overall season.. From what i remember he was extremely not happy with himself last year in regard to those fumbles.

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A new article today pretty much defining lynch as being consistent. No, I have zero concern about Lynch besides injuries which I have a concern about that for every player.

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I am actually quite amazed that for a rb that runs and fights so hard and is so difficult to bring down he does not have many more fumbles than he does. I am truly happy w/ that part of his game, no worries here.

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Pete's comment about the lack of rubber on the treads or what have you was concerning

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The fumbles in the last three games were brutal, especially in the Atlanta game. That really killed some early momentum as I recall. Hopefully he addressed it and we don't see many more next year.


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The last thing I'm worried about is Lynch fumbling.

It happens every once in a while and is just a characteristic of his running style.

We just have to take all the good with a little bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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The one against Washington was a fluky. The defender's helment hit the ball squarely in the perfect position to dislodge it. I don't see it as an issue at all. Ray Rice had a bigger fumbling issue for Baltimore in the playoffs, and I doubt their fans are panicking over it since he's generally solid in that regard.

What I love about Marshawn is that he puts it behind him quickly. Came up with huge game-changing plays late in both playoff games.


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Not a big concern for me. I think it was at least in part due to being a bit worn down in Dec/Jan. With an expanded RB stable this season, plus improvements in the passing game, I see Marshawn making it to the post season in better shape than last season. At least if the coaches game plan to use all of the new weapons they have added.

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He's only fumbled 19 times in his career. Compare that to Adrian Petersen, who has fumbled 26 times. Those are the two best RBs in the game right now.

Heck, Russell Wilson has 6.

No, i'm not worried.

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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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I recall butt fumble.wilson dropping one in the skins game then lynch scooped it up for a large gain


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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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FargoHawk wrote:
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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.

How else would they fumble???



Ask Dave Krieg or Mark Sanchez.


I'm not too worried about fumbling. That can be worked on. Marshawn typically doesn't have a fumbling problem over his career. I think he was playing hurt and worn down at the end of last year, and I think the additions to the RB position, coupled with Turbin having a year's experience will help out Lynch.

Adrian Peterson had a fumbling problem in his first few years. Players knew that he would fight for yardage and you could get that ball out. Chicago was famous for making him fumble; that defense was already good at creating turnovers and they got to AP. I didn't hear anything about AP having a fumbling problem last year during his epic run, so it seems he worked on it.


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I'm not too worried about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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I'm not too worried about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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I think it was more evidence of Lynch either having a flare up of his back spasms, a nagging injury to his arm/hand, or fatigue after a long and grueling season. 1 isn't going away, so that is a concern, 2 might have healed by now (if it existed), and 3 will be taken care of with the addition of Christine. So, 33% worried.

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 Post subject: Re: Concern for Marshawn
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Marshawn also runs even harder in the playoffs than in the regular season, if that's possible somehow, and he tends to be looser with the ball in order to try and get an extra yard or two, I think. That might have something to do with it.

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FargoHawk wrote:
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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.

How else would they fumble???

Romo-style?

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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.

How else would they fumble???


A seahawks fan who hasnt seen dave krieg?

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I'm not worried about Beast Mode dropping the ball. Opposing D's will have so much to account for that Lynch is bound to have a great season.


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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.


I know, right?

They should call it a "strip" when the ball is poked out by the D. Even though it has the same result, at least the stats would tell a better story.

Wait, they do that already, don't they?

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It was very irritating and uncharacteristic of him to lose those fumbles. I don't expect it to become a habit. Marshawn has had some great control of the ball his entire career with Seattle. I'm considering those last 3 games a fluke for him.

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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.


I know, right?

They should call it a "strip" when the ball is poked out by the D. Even though it has the same result, at least the stats would tell a better story.

Wait, they do that already, don't they?


This reminds me of a sportswriter in San Antonio, Dan Cook, campaigning for a Tipped Interception stat to show when an INT was not the QBs fault and instead was the fault of the receiver bobbling or tipping a catchable pass into a CBs hands.

That stat would have benefited Russell Wilson's numbers last year.


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onanygivensunday wrote:
The last thing I'm worried about is Lynch fumbling.

It happens every once in a while and is just a characteristic of his running style.

We just have to take all the good with a little bad.


I dunno, he's a clutch fumbler and it certainly worries me somewhat. Not just his fumbles in Washington and Atlanta - he so nearly cost us the Chicago game with a fumble that RW was right behind him to collect in the 4th Q (much like Wilson's fumble that Lynch was there to collect in Washington).

I don't mind fumbling once in a while, but only when those "whiles" are in the 1st Q at the halfway line


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onanygivensunday wrote:
The last thing I'm worried about is Lynch fumbling.

It happens every once in a while and is just a characteristic of his running style.

We just have to take all the good with a little bad.


I dunno, he's a clutch fumbler and it certainly worries me somewhat. Not just his fumbles in Washington and Atlanta - he so nearly cost us the Chicago game with a fumble that RW was right behind him to collect in the 4th Q (much like Wilson's fumble that Lynch was there to collect in Washington).

I don't mind fumbling once in a while, but only when those "whiles" are in the 1st Q at the halfway line


Again. Lynch has less fumbles than Adrian Peterson. Must be the off-season.

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Does anyone else have the same concern for Marshawn as me as it pertains to fumbles? In his last three games, he fumbled in each, losing two of those at critical times of the game. I hope this is a fluke and not some trend that is on the horizon.


In the Atlanta game, the ball was punched out by one player precisely simultaneous with a crotch punch from another player:

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That said, that was one play (of several) which, had it been changed, Seattle probably wins the game. Very disappointing. And, aside from the official fumbles in the last three games, his TD at the end of the game at Atlanta was this close to yet another fumble. I don't think thoughtful reasoning led him to decide it was safe to give up the ball 4 inches over the goal line.


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Again. Lynch has less fumbles than Adrian Peterson. Must be the off-season.


Again, what I said was Lynch is a clutch fumbler, fumbles at the worst possible time. Not that he fumbles more than anyone else.
And Peterson has fumbled the ball 6 times in the last 3 seasons. Lynch fumbled 7 times in 2012. Peterson only has more fumbles because he fumbled regularly in his first 3 years.

It's all good and well being reliable during the season and only fumbling a handful of times, but fumbling twice in the playoffs and losing both is definitely a case of "clutch fumbling"


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Again. Lynch has less fumbles than Adrian Peterson. Must be the off-season.


Again, what I said was Lynch is a clutch fumbler, fumbles at the worst possible time. Not that he fumbles more than anyone else.
And Peterson has fumbled the ball 6 times in the last 3 seasons. Lynch fumbled 7 times in 2012. Peterson only has more fumbles because he fumbled regularly in his first 3 years.

It's all good and well being reliable during the season and only fumbling a handful of times, but fumbling twice in the playoffs and losing both is definitely a case of "clutch fumbling"


No, its defiantly just bad luck. Thats it. Their is no higher probability that he fumbles during clutch times. Just that we will remember those better, because they were at clutch times.

I dont know exactly what you want him to get better at. He doesnt fumble often. You cant approve "clutch" fumble statistics since its not really a trait or a skil, its just a blind luck scenario. If he was a high percentage fumbler regardless, then their is a concern. But hes not, therefor there is no concern.

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Again. Lynch has less fumbles than Adrian Peterson. Must be the off-season.



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I hate it when a player knocks out the ball and it is called a fumble.


I know, right?

They should call it a "strip" when the ball is poked out by the D. Even though it has the same result, at least the stats would tell a better story.

Wait, they do that already, don't they?


This reminds me of a sportswriter in San Antonio, Dan Cook, campaigning for a Tipped Interception stat to show when an INT was not the QBs fault and instead was the fault of the receiver bobbling or tipping a catchable pass into a CBs hands.

That stat would have benefited Russell Wilson's numbers last year.
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"Oops I fell down INT" stat.

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