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 Post subject: Re: Carp is better, Walter as nickel/PR & Bowie as starting RT
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Sorry, I was really just leading you on to see what you would say. The difference in weight loss between men and women is overblown. The only real difference when it comes to weight loss specifically is muscle mass and basal metabolic rates. That being said, if a woman sets her mind to it and actually buckles down, there isn't anything stopping her from losing weight just as fast as a man. We can talk about water retention, the affinity for a female body to retain fat, etc, but those are all things that with the proper diet can be mitigated and shouldn't ultimately affect true weight loss.

Generally what you find when people make these comparisons is that all things are not equal. An out of shape man still generally has more muscle mass than an out of shape woman. If you took a man and a woman with equal percentages of body fat, both out of shape, and put them on the same diet and exercise routine, where the caloric intake was equal for both people relative to caloric output, the difference in weight loss between the man and the woman would be almost negligible with water retention counting for most of it. While weight loss isn't my specific field of study, I have a BS in Biochem, with a PhD in Nutrition, so I do have some idea of what I am talking about.

Anyway, ultimately, all I was trying to point out was that it was a really odd way of expressing it. Why a woman would claim to know about a men's weight loss more than a man is somewhat confusing.


I don't claim to know more. I was stating an opinion from my perspective and from the perspective of many of my female friends based on personal experiences. For example, a couple I know who were both overweight by a comparative amount they both went through a weight loss regimen with a personal trainer and dietitian and were very good at keeping to the program. He quite simply lost the weight faster than she did though they both put in the same effort. It took her about 3 months longer to lose the same amount of weight as he did. Caloric output aside there are differences in females versus males by way of hormones which do affect metabolism. I'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about. I'm just saying there are other factors besides just calorie intake and output that can affect the rate of weight loss.

On a side note it's great that you have that degree. Since my mom died I have been trying to figure out what to do with myself. I put my schooling on hold to care for her for the past 5 years...I'm actually looking at pursuing a degree in Exercise and Sport Science with an emphasis on Athletic training and nutrition. I would love to pick your brain some time.

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I don't claim to know more. I was stating an opinion from my perspective and from the perspective of many of my female friends based on personal experiences.


Anecdotal evidence definitely has its place, just not in making definitive statements about something that can be scientifically verified.

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For example, a couple I know who were both overweight by a comparative amount they both went through a weight loss regimen with a personal trainer and dietitian and were very good at keeping to the program. He quite simply lost the weight faster than she did though they both put in the same effort. It took her about 3 months longer to lose the same amount of weight as he did.


A couple of points: You are making qualitative statements from the outside. You have no real idea if she truly burned as many calories, despite her putting in effort. You also have no idea what their base fitness levels were, or what their basal metabolic rates were. I guarantee you there was a difference in at least one of these variables, more likely than not both. Again, anecdotal evidence doesn't really prove a point here.


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Caloric output aside there are differences in females versus males by way of hormones which do affect metabolism. I'm not saying you don't know what you are talking about. I'm just saying there are other factors besides just calorie intake and output that can affect the rate of weight loss.


Ultimately, this is incorrect. All true weight loss is simply calories in vs calories out. Water retention is more likely what you referring to, which isn't a result of caloric intake at all, and fluctuates greatly depending on lifestyle, diet, sex, etc. If that is your point, I will concede agreement. The rate at which men and women retain water is much different, and there isn't much working out can do about that. Yet at the same time, because those weight fluctuations due water retention actually average out over time, it isn't normally considered true weight loss. It is no different than a wrestler/boxer trying to make weight. There are lots of ways to trick the body into shedding water weight, but as soon as you put water back into your system, it comes right back. That doesn't actually afffect the rate at which you lose weight, is my point.

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On a side note it's great that you have that degree. Since my mom died I have been trying to figure out what to do with myself. I put my schooling on hold to care for her for the past 5 years...I'm actually looking at pursuing a degree in Exercise and Sport Science with an emphasis on Athletic training and nutrition. I would love to pick your brain some time.


Definitely, shoot me a message I will help out as I can. I was more on the lab side of things for most of my career, and now I am a professor, so I can give you the wide view of things. I love talking about this type of stuff, and I am sorry if I came off as combative. I truly was baffled by that post, and made a quip offhandedly. You come across as intelligent, so I am sure you would do fine with any of this stuff. The only reason I commented in the first place, is because I like to correct misconceptions where I see them. I think you and I are on the same page for the most part. Cheers, I will stop hijacking this thread now.

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One thing that I believe does play into the weight loss difference is actual programming. If you are constantly dieting or starving yourself like woman tend to do more so than men, your body will actually try to store fat. Because woman more commonly diet than men when men do diet this could be one reason that men lose weight faster at least initially.

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One thing that I believe does play into the weight loss difference is actual programming. If you are constantly dieting or starving yourself like woman tend to do more so than men, your body will actually try to store fat. Because woman more commonly diet than men when men do diet this could be one reason that men lose weight faster at least initially.


You have to go many consecutive days without food, on a regular basis, for that type of survival fat storage to kick in. Missing a few meals here or there, as one might do on a diet, won't affect you that way even if you are constantly dieting.

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Way to many bored people around here.

"Too"... And I agree.


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Way to many bored people around here.

"Too"... And I agree.


Atleast "Two"...And I agree.


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Way to many bored people around here.

"Too"... And I agree.


Atleast "Two"...And I agree.


"At least"...And I agree.

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I think that was nwgamer's polite way of saying "For the love of God, will someone please start talking about the Seahawks again?"

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...and I don't agree.

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I think that was nwgamer's polite way of saying "For the love of God, will someone please start talking about the Seahawks again?"


Just over a month and training camp starts BigSky.

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I think that was nwgamer's polite way of saying "For the love of God, will someone please start talking about the Seahawks again?"


Just over a month and training camp starts BigSky.

We can handle it. But it's fun to have fun amirite?



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James Carpenter. Maybe it was the draft day Saban shock when he sat at Engrams table and Carpenter was selected. Maybe its because I think he's an out of shape fat bastard and I laugh when Carroll says "game shape", like Carp even remembers what that means. He looked like he was sweating signing his contract on seahawks.com he was so fat. I don't know, maybe the fact the dude is always hurt and can never achieve game shape? Maybe its because he sucked as a right tackle, as Charles Barkley would say he was TURRIBLE! I also get the impression he doesn't want it. He reminds me of another SEC guy and former Seahawk...Chris Spencer. A guy who was great in college and had all the tools but was too stupid and lazy to utilize his talent. Carp better get it together quick because I'm not so sure the Hawks will pay him 1.5 million next year to hang out at the Golden Corral.

Rant over, done with this fool

Wow. That post was ignorant. Not you. But the post.


Yeah I was a bit drunk when I wrote that. I'm just....I don't know man. I don't think he has what it takes. I have no confidence in the guy. I think the Seahawks scrambled on that pick. In fact I know they did. They were trying to trade back and got stuck. If my memory serves they traded back already and were trying to trade back again when they took him.

I will say this. All the people that ridiculed me for my thoughts. I wrote you down. In a year or 2 we'll see whats up lol. I got your comments archived lol. And I'll always be here if you want to ridicule me.


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dunceface : haven't seen him play?
Scottemojo: That fool shut down a healthy Justin Smith last year.
Teqneek: I mean come on give Stonecold a break... That Alabama team was HORRIBLE... and Nick Saban is known for letting his players slack off and be severely lacking. Especially in those national championship games and senior bowls. That team couldnt run for crap over the left side could they ....
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hemunn: ...because Saban is a terrific evaluator of NFL level talent right?
onanygivensunday, Natethegreat: GOT MY BACK, LOVE IT, DON'T LOSE YOUR BALL SACK.
Happypuppy: Carp will be a excellent LG and will show it ...at least I hope so. My trepidation is the knee issues not allowing him to get into good shape.
NYCoug: TLDNR, My point isn't that Carp and Moffitt are guarantees to be the next Okung and Unger. It's that it's still too early to give up on either of them because they still have the talent to turn things around. All that's missing from their game is consistency and hopefully both can find it this season and elevate their games to a new level. Moffitt's probably in a fight for a roster spot this offseason, that's just the nature of this organization, but I have faith in the big guy that he'll stick and have a breakthrough season.
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I'm calling Prelag.


Tell me what you really think about Carpenter? Don't be a fence rider or a nothing President like Obama. Have an opinion.


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Dudes a beast at LG from what we saw, that's my opinion. Remember when people were calling Okung a bust? Now they look like idiots, I think the same thing will apply to the naysayers of Carpenter.

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Okung/Carpenter/Tubbs/McIntosh... could you imagine what an unbelievably ugly, hideous monster you'd have if those 4 melted together like the Blob or something? Christ that thing would be nasty! Like Bastion Booger meets Rocky Dennis meets Sloth meets the Toxic Avenger.


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This is so many kinds of perfect that I can't even begin to describe how perfect this is, dunce. Amazing find and great job. Interesting to see the turn the thread took a little afterwards, too. .Net, always keeping me on my toes.

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dunceface : haven't seen him play?
Scottemojo: That fool shut down a healthy Justin Smith last year.
Teqneek: I mean come on give Stonecold a break... That Alabama team was HORRIBLE... and Nick Saban is known for letting his players slack off and be severely lacking. Especially in those national championship games and senior bowls. That team couldnt run for crap over the left side could they ....
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Happypuppy: Carp will be a excellent LG and will show it ...at least I hope so. My trepidation is the knee issues not allowing him to get into good shape.
NYCoug: TLDNR, My point isn't that Carp and Moffitt are guarantees to be the next Okung and Unger. It's that it's still too early to give up on either of them because they still have the talent to turn things around. All that's missing from their game is consistency and hopefully both can find it this season and elevate their games to a new level. Moffitt's probably in a fight for a roster spot this offseason, that's just the nature of this organization, but I have faith in the big guy that he'll stick and have a breakthrough season.
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Dudes a beast at LG from what we saw, that's my opinion. Remember when people were calling Okung a bust? Now they look like idiots, I think the same thing will apply to the naysayers of Carpenter.


I agree with this sentiment. Well said Throw!

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On a related note, when we picked Carpenter many people were wondering why we passed on the more highly ranked RT Gabe Carimi or Wisconsin.

Carimi was just traded from the Bears to the Bucs . . . For a 6th round pick!

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James Carpenter. Maybe it was the draft day Saban shock when he sat at Engrams table and Carpenter was selected. Maybe its because I think he's an out of shape fat bastard and I laugh when Carroll says "game shape", like Carp even remembers what that means. He looked like he was sweating signing his contract on seahawks.com he was so fat. I don't know, maybe the fact the dude is always hurt and can never achieve game shape? Maybe its because he sucked as a right tackle, as Charles Barkley would say he was TURRIBLE! I also get the impression he doesn't want it. He reminds me of another SEC guy and former Seahawk...Chris Spencer. A guy who was great in college and had all the tools but was too stupid and lazy to utilize his talent. Carp better get it together quick because I'm not so sure the Hawks will pay him 1.5 million next year to hang out at the Golden Corral.

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I think the Seahawks scrambled on that pick. In fact I know they did. They were trying to trade back and got stuck. If my memory serves they traded back already and were trying to trade back again when they took him.

Absolutely laughable.

First off, no they hadn't traded back, 25 was their original spot. Second, if you actually think they forgot their draft board and "scrambled" because a traded didn't happen, then well you must have absolutely zero confidence in this FO when it comes to the draft. Yep, the same FO that drafted Russell, Thomas, Sherm, Chancellor, Wagner, Wright etc clearly has no idea what they're doing during the draft and obviously got caught with their pants down during a failed trade down and "panicked"...

Schneider said they were trying to trade down but still wanted to get Carpenter at a later spot. So yeah, I guess that's scrambling... :roll:

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Scottemojo: That fool shut down a healthy Justin Smith last year.

Keep them comming....


I take it you think this was an attack on you? So then are you denying that Carp shut down Justin Smith?

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Okung/Carpenter/Tubbs/McIntosh... could you imagine what an unbelievably ugly, hideous monster you'd have if those 4 melted together like the Blob or something? Christ that thing would be nasty! Like Bastion Booger meets Rocky Dennis meets Sloth meets the Toxic Avenger.


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This is so many kinds of perfect that I can't even begin to describe how perfect this is, dunce. Amazing find and great job. Interesting to see the turn the thread took a little afterwards, too. .Net, always keeping me on my toes.


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James Carpenter. Maybe it was the draft day Saban shock when he sat at Engrams table and Carpenter was selected. Maybe its because I think he's an out of shape fat bastard and I laugh when Carroll says "game shape", like Carp even remembers what that means. He looked like he was sweating signing his contract on seahawks.com he was so fat. I don't know, maybe the fact the dude is always hurt and can never achieve game shape? Maybe its because he sucked as a right tackle, as Charles Barkley would say he was TURRIBLE! I also get the impression he doesn't want it. He reminds me of another SEC guy and former Seahawk...Chris Spencer. A guy who was great in college and had all the tools but was too stupid and lazy to utilize his talent. Carp better get it together quick because I'm not so sure the Hawks will pay him 1.5 million next year to hang out at the Golden Corral.

Rant over, done with this fool

Wow. That post was ignorant. Not you. But the post.


Yeah I was a bit drunk when I wrote that. I'm just....I don't know man. I don't think he has what it takes. I have no confidence in the guy. I think the Seahawks scrambled on that pick. In fact I know they did. They were trying to trade back and got stuck. If my memory serves they traded back already and were trying to trade back again when they took him.

I will say this. All the people that ridiculed me for my thoughts. I wrote you down. In a year or 2 we'll see whats up lol. I got your comments archived lol. And I'll always be here if you want to ridicule me.


Weren't you joined at the hips with the anti Russell Wilson crowd during the first part of last season?...yeah, that's what I thought. Why start doubting you now? :shock:


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James Carpenter is a big pile of goo. You would think all that goo would pad his body and offer him some degree of protection but noooooooo!

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James Carpenter is a big pile of goo. You would think all that goo would pad his body and offer him some degree of protection but noooooooo!


Weren't you originally joined at the hips with the anti Red Bryant crowd? Yeah, that's what I thought. Why start doubting you now. 8-)


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When Carp was drafted I thought he could make a pro bowl LG. As it turns out he never could quite get his kick drop right at RT as it just wasn't natural for him, but I still maintain that he can be a pro bowl LG if he can stay healthy. That left side should be dominant in the run game once again starting this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Carp is better, Walter as nickel/PR & Bowie as starting RT
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When Carp was drafted I thought he could make a pro bowl LG. As it turns out he never could quite get his kick drop right at RT as it just wasn't natural for him, but I still maintain that he can be a pro bowl LG if he can stay healthy. That left side should be dominant in the run game once again starting this year.


That so exciting. The entire left side filled with probowlers and allpro's. We haven't had that since 2005. The anticipation of this upcoming season is killing me.

Imagine that 2005 offense with this defense. I think that is a real possibility for this year. Possibly even better.

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