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 Post subject: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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I love beast mode just as much as the next guy. But i already had a problem with him being a no show at OTA's...here are a few really good reasons why:

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2280070/Taki ... TA-absence

Also, this about this:

"There was a reason Indianapolis won 12 games a year for a decade. Peyton Manning set the tone, but Edgerrin James and Marvin Harrison didn't miss minicamps or OTAs. When an organization's best and most talented players invest more than anyone else, results tend to follow. "

this came from this good article on RW:
http://mynorthwest.com/292/2278469/Russ ... servations

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Marshawn has come into training camp in better shape the the year before for two straight years. Whatever he's doing down there in Cali, it's working. As for Harrison and James, they have 1 Superbowl between the two of them.


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Marshawn marches to the beat of his own drum.

I'm not concerned.

The team's leader is there and that by far trumps Marshawn not being there.

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Total non-issue for me. This is the one guy I give a pass to on practices and off-season work. He is the guy that sets the tone on the field. No one plays harder on game day, and this guy puts his career on the line every time he touches the ball. He never gives up an inch. As long as he keeps coming to mandatory camps in shape, which he has for the last couple years, then he can train any way and anywhere he pleases.


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Marshawn has come into training camp in better shape the the year before for two straight years. Whatever he's doing down there in Cali, it's working. As for Harrison and James, they have 1 Superbowl between the two of them.


Exactly. Plus you look at players like Walter Jones who knew exactly what he needed to do to get himself in prime playing shape no matter what the circumstances. Pushing Escalades in AL while holding out for a new contract--how many times the first season he held out of camp did we fans scream bloody murder that he was not going to be on the same page with the rest of the line, or an injury risk?

Big Walt proved that he could come in 100% ready to go at the first snap with zero issues. And I believe Marshawn is the same way.

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Marshawn knows his role, and is ALWAYS ready for the season.

Also, I'd rather the Seahawks not be anything like Indy...not enough playoff wins and/or championships.



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Not concerned as long as he's working out somewhere. Big Walt did this for years.


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I would be worried if he had a higher ceiling that was at risk by him not being here. I think with Lynch, not much more would be gained by coming to the voluntary practices. He just seems to be one of those guys that just needs a few practices and a preseason game or two to get back to game form. I saw a video of PC trying to coach him up on the sideline and Lynch was just politely letting Pete know that he knew exactly what to do. This also gives the rooks a chance to show what they got.


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Marshawn actually works with the same trainer I used to work with. His name is Jamal Liggin and is from Oakland as well, but has relocated to the LA area. There's actually a clip of him working out with him on YouTube, I'll try finding the link.

But this trainer is the real deal and specializes in speed and agility training. I'm 100% certain Marshawn is handling this DUI, which was today, and also working out here in Oakland/LA. Marshawn will show up ready, and in shape.

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Isn't there a chance Lynch is going to be suspended for a few games? If so, I'm happy Turbin and the new RBs are all getting more reps.


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When Marshawn's back magically heals, then I'll complain that he's not heaping more punishment on his body.

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Well, if his DUI really was today, it would be less of a distraction to the team for Lynch to stay down there and train and take care of it, instead of coming up to OTA's, then leaving to go take care of his DUI, then coming back.

His dediction to this team hasn't been quesitoned the last 2 years by anybody, so I'm ok with it.

Besides, looks like Michael is always on the sidelines icing hamstrings per Brock on one of the above links. Sounds like he needs to get into better football shape, so maybe the increased reps will help him and Turbo.


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Much ado...didn't he miss them last year as well? He's doing an intense program in Cali, according to PC, and it works for him. If it ain't broke...


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How did Edge do with Arizon, did he attend the OTA's there? I haven't a clue, but I think this worry about shawn at OTA's is just a bit chicken little.

The guy ran for 1700 something last year, don't runners typically need a bit of a break after taking those beatings? Edge doesn't count cos Peyton was the offense (imo) nowhere near what we expect from Shawn.

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I actually LIKE that he's not here. WHy you ask? Because Having Marshawn here won't depreciably make him better. He's coming off a career year. However, by not being here it gives Turbin, Michael, and Ware a ton of reps. Alot more reps than what they would get if Lynch were here.

What this does is speed up the progression of these players. In affect your raising the floor of these players and accelerating the learning process for the 2 rookies as they are taking more and reps.

IMO this will actually make for a more deep RB corps as they should and grow with the extra reps making them more likely to contribute at a higher level than if he were here. So to me, it's strengthening the depth with him gone and I'm fine with that.


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I actually LIKE that he's not here. WHy you ask? Because Having Marshawn here won't depreciably make him better. He's coming off a career year. However, by not being here it gives Turbin, Michael, and Ware a ton of reps. Alot more reps than what they would get if Lynch were here.

What this does is speed up the progression of these players. In affect your raising the floor of these players and accelerating the learning process for the 2 rookies as they are taking more and reps.

IMO this will actually make for a more deep RB corps as they should and grow with the extra reps making them more likely to contribute at a higher level than if he were here. So to me, it's strengthening the depth with him gone and I'm fine with that.


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Well, if his DUI really was today, it would be less of a distraction to the team for Lynch to stay down there and train and take care of it, instead of coming up to OTA's, then leaving to go take care of his DUI, then coming back.

His dediction to this team hasn't been quesitoned the last 2 years by anybody, so I'm ok with it.

Besides, looks like Michael is always on the sidelines icing hamstrings per Brock on one of the above links. Sounds like he needs to get into better football shape, so maybe the increased reps will help him and Turbo.


His DUI hearing on motion to suppress was yesterday, but it got continued to July with no new trial date set.

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Marshawn Lynch gives us everything he's got, on every single down, in every single game, regardless of the score and how much time may be left. Even regardless of whether he's battling through injurys. I could give a crap less if he misses some OTA's because I've never seen a Seahawk battle so hard on the field as Marshawn does.


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Look Huard, bringing up the Michael Crabtree injury as an example of a player showing up for VOLUNTARY practice is a dumb point of reasoning, because I would be livid as hell if Marshawn VOLUNTEERED to come to the OTA, and then bunged himself up UNECCESARILY.
The Seahawks biggest concern with Marshawn should be keeping him healthy, and not having him get all banged up in non-game workouts.
You can't practice what he does in OTAs, because the punishment he takes while in regular Season games, can be scripted.
IF you want the other RBs to benefit from what Marshawn can teach them to do, there is plenty of game film that could be viewed.


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You don't tell Marshawn what to do. He thinks outside the cage. He is a Beast with no master.

Nice try, though.

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He has his own work out program at home that helps with his back, he was seen stopping by the VMAC and was in great shape from what Pete had said. Find some 49er issue to talk about and quit stirring up trouble we don't need here.

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Yah, I am not worried about Marshawn. He is as tough as nails and bleeds the Seahawks Blue.

Besides my adopt a rookie has his back.....

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I love marshawn and I guess its none of my bees wax but when I see him likin pics on Instagram of babes smokin the reefer at 2:00pm in the afternoon when the team is practicing kind of makes me wonder...


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It's not that I'm worried about him or his absence impacting his season at all, but it still just doesn't sit quite right with me. He is the only healthy player on the team not there. Why not spend time with the team? Even if he takes zero reps in practice. Even if he showed for OTAs, there would be plenty of time for his workout routine down in the Bay or wherever he is.


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When he starts missing the required ones then I'll worry.

You kiddies have not enough to do. Lets save his back as much as we can so we can be sure and get 2-3 more years out of him.

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Look at this beast - Just doing the numbers here - I think this is working out with about 250-275 lbs - assuming those big ones are 45's. They might be more!

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The inner look to be rubberized, so three plates per side plus the bar would be 315.

(Typically big plates are 20 kg or 45 lb, same for the bar.)

If that's a weight he is routinely working out with, his max is probably approaching 400, at least 375.


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Beast doesn't like talking to the media, and with the DUI hanging over his head, I think he's just avoiding the circus.


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Maybe a small part of it has to do with him having a hearing about his DUI scheduled for yesterday (although it was moved to July). Probably would've been easier to just stay in the area. This doesn't really bother me anyway though. From what Pete said, it sounds like he's in better shape than ever.

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I actually LIKE that he's not here. WHy you ask? Because Having Marshawn here won't depreciably make him better. He's coming off a career year. However, by not being here it gives Turbin, Michael, and Ware a ton of reps. Alot more reps than what they would get if Lynch were here.

What this does is speed up the progression of these players. In affect your raising the floor of these players and accelerating the learning process for the 2 rookies as they are taking more and reps.

IMO this will actually make for a more deep RB corps as they should and grow with the extra reps making them more likely to contribute at a higher level than if he were here. So to me, it's strengthening the depth with him gone and I'm fine with that.


You lost me at 'won't DEPRECIABLY make him better' SMH LMAO

Y'all are missing the point. It's not about making Lynch better. It's about him setting the example as a vet, and as one of the main faces of this team. SHOW the work ethic and importance of team unity.

Could very well be that he's maintaining a low profile because of the DUI, but I'd sure love to hear he was at OTAs.


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http://youtu.be/uhuuHxmkRgA


Look at this beast - Just doing the numbers here - I think this is working out with about 250-275 lbs - assuming those big ones are 45's. They might be more!

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Those look like hundreds on the inside. Which would make it 535 pounds....probably maxing out.


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I have a feeling Beast is just preparing to unleash. He's pissed about not being able to generate contact outside the tackles with his head down, so he is going to take it out on the DL.

OTA's are probably just a distraction to his intense focus on preparation to pound the rock in 2013. He is the nastiest of the nasty when it comes to running with contact.

I will be concerned if he doesn't show up to the mandatory stuff.

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I just watched a little of the Minny game to get a look at RW and I couldn't help but notice Lynch. That is a hard hitting defense in Minny and Lynch just kept bringing it. They started out hitting him pretty hard, even standing him up after popping loose, but in the end, the results are the same. 4 tacklers bringing him down, being dragged around for yards.

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Lynch will miss the preseason games too.

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It doesn't affect the price of tea in china.



I'd guess that he plays in a couple of games.....maybe a first half or so. Most likely skips the Oakland game. He knows that a RB hits the "wall" at age thirty, so he wants to maximize his play during the Regular season in the next few years. His age is listed at 27, so he has 3 - 4 years left. I'm amazed at how "injury proof" he seems to be!


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- Marshawn suffers serious injury during OTAs -

WHY WAS MARSHAWN EVEN PRACTICING AT THE OTAS?!?!?!!

I want this guy making as few cuts and taking as little contact through the entire offseason and preseason as possible. He's a proven commodity with a timer ticking down.


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I actually LIKE that he's not here. WHy you ask? Because Having Marshawn here won't depreciably make him better. He's coming off a career year. However, by not being here it gives Turbin, Michael, and Ware a ton of reps. Alot more reps than what they would get if Lynch were here.

What this does is speed up the progression of these players. In affect your raising the floor of these players and accelerating the learning process for the 2 rookies as they are taking more and reps.

IMO this will actually make for a more deep RB corps as they should and grow with the extra reps making them more likely to contribute at a higher level than if he were here. So to me, it's strengthening the depth with him gone and I'm fine with that.


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I actually LIKE that he's not here. WHy you ask? Because Having Marshawn here won't depreciably make him better. He's coming off a career year. However, by not being here it gives Turbin, Michael, and Ware a ton of reps. Alot more reps than what they would get if Lynch were here.

What this does is speed up the progression of these players. In affect your raising the floor of these players and accelerating the learning process for the 2 rookies as they are taking more and reps.

IMO this will actually make for a more deep RB corps as they should and grow with the extra reps making them more likely to contribute at a higher level than if he were here. So to me, it's strengthening the depth with him gone and I'm fine with that.


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:13: I'm with these guys. Let Marshawn rest up and train on his own if he wants. Give the young guys the reps.


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The only veteran leadership your going to get out of Marshawn is on Sundays. Hopefully everyone else sees how he plays hard on every down regardless of the score. To me that goes why farther the showing up at OTA's. Sure it would be nice if he showed up and was a bigger part of the team, but I just don't see him as that guy. Now Russell Wilson, he's that guy.


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OMG, such a non issue. Like everyone else said; it's just about mileage.

Oh and Indy sucked. I don't want us to look like that bunch of fricken daisies.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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Pretty much just here to Echo what everyone else has said. Lynch has entered the Prime years for RB's. He understands how to read defenses and how to run hard. Any further tear on his body during these voluntary workouts adds nothing to the process.

He's been a beast since hes been here, no reason to fix what isnt broken.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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You don't tell Marshawn what to do. He thinks outside the cage.


Outside the cage.
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 Post subject: Re: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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http://youtu.be/uhuuHxmkRgA


Look at this beast - Just doing the numbers here - I think this is working out with about 250-275 lbs - assuming those big ones are 45's. They might be more!

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Those look like hundreds on the inside. Which would make it 535 pounds....probably maxing out.



I could squat at least half of that.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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The only veteran leadership your going to get out of Marshawn is on Sundays. Hopefully everyone else sees how he play hard on every down regardless of the score. To me that goes why farther the showing up at OTA's. Sure it would be nice if he showed up and was a bigger part of the team, but I just don't see him as that guy. Now Russell Wilson, he's that guy.


Yep, "it his what it is" and he's not likely to change giving his history. However, I'm also of the same mindset Brock Huard is. When EVERYBODY on the team shows for voluntary OTAs except ONE person, something 'doesn't smell right.' I don't care how much that player contributes. The hardest working 'noTime2Sleep' mofo shows up, as does Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Sidney Rice, BamBam (note, he has a big contract too), Golden Tate, BB, DB, Zack Taylor..etc. If nobody feels any one of those guys are as important to the team as Lynch, then their collective contributions certainly trump his.

The team's gonna treat him right, just as they nursed his back through the practices last season. His presence alone is what matters most at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking issue with Marshawn Lynch's OTA absence, here is why;
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Call me old fashioned, (and yes, it's no problem if you do) but I think a player should show up for ANY team activity regardless of how trivial.

Do you really think Steve Largent thought it was above him to participate in OTAs?

It's not about if the player needs the work, it's about leadership and comradery. I think someone of high character gets that naturally. (*cough* Russell Wilson *cough*)

I don't argue that Lynch is a productive, high impact player (and that may be the bottom line for many and I truly get that) but to me his character is in question and yeah, that bugs me a bit.

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At his age and experience, the position he plays and his lingering back, I have no issue with it. He isn't the Mike Rob rahrah vocal guy. As far as the Earls and Russels, they are younger and the leaders. As much of a talent Marshawn is I don't think he is neccessarily looked to as a leader.


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It's not that I'm worried about him or his absence impacting his season at all, but it still just doesn't sit quite right with me. He is the only healthy player on the team not there. Why not spend time with the team? Even if he takes zero reps in practice. Even if he showed for OTAs, there would be plenty of time for his workout routine down in the Bay or wherever he is.


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Lynch will miss the preseason games too.

It doesn't affect the price of tea in china.



I'd guess that he plays in a couple of games.....maybe a first half or so. Most likely skips the Oakland game. He knows that a RB hits the "wall" at age thirty, so he wants to maximize his play during the Regular season in the next few years. His age is listed at 27, so he has 3 - 4 years left. I'm amazed at how "injury proof" he seems to be!


While 30 is the age he's gotten a lot of touches the last few years then you factor in playoffs. He also left college early so he started playing at 21 and so I think it will be wise to manage his mileage.


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