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I wouldn't sign anyone. Let Helfet and McGrath fight it out for the "blocking TE" role. This pretty much guarantees that Willson will make the team.


Perhaps but we worked out Schiancoe in December and he's familiar with Bevell's system.


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Let me guess. He caught the ball, was running downfield and was looking behind him to see who was catching him and ran into the goal post?

lol yes i can visualize this happening...

Nah, there's no goal post at the 15 yard line, it's obvious that he tripped over his foot, and then stepped on it while he was down.

Seriously though, he must have been doing something right for Pete to be giving him all the reps.
As for Fells, and Willson?, let's hope that one or both of these young men can get their game to NFL level and speed, because backup TEs are pretty thinned out for the Seahawks.


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Man this sucks........injury big already seems to be a problem for this upcoming season.

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I guess Seattle and San Francisco are serious about countering each other's moves right down to the injuries even!

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So you don't want a TE that has proven to be a good #2 for a basketball player and rookie?

That is crazy talk.


Last season most of the .net was certain that starting a 3rd round rookie over a "proven" vet was crazy talk. How did that work out? McCoy had 18 receptions last year, that is far from "proven to be good" status in my book. Im cool with relying on either of the two rookies for 1 reception per game. If Miller was to go down neither McCoy, Willson, or Fells would be able to replace that production. McCoy just isn't very good, go with the upside.



Really going to use RW as a comparison to (insert random rookie here) ... I believe he would be the exception, not the rule.

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McCoy was proven to be good at dropping a lot of passes. "Stone hands" McCoy.

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I didn't think McCoy was going to make the final roster anyway, so this has no impact IMO

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Free Agent TE's left:

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Cooley, Chris
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So not much. Cooley would be interesting. Maybe Boss. Otherwise I'd rather stick with the young guys.

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I didn't think McCoy was going to make the final roster anyway, so this has no impact IMO


Yep. The only problem now is I don't think we can cut him while he's injured, so we're on the hook for his salary for the entire season while he's rehabbing. As opposed to cutting him during camp and saving the cap.

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McCoy was proven to be good at dropping a lot of passes. "Stone hands" McCoy.

He only had one drop last year. Some of you are seriously selling him short, he's a solid back up and both St Louis games aside he had a good season imo.


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Free Agent TE's left:

Rucker, Martin
Rosario, Dante
Pope, Leonard
Palmer, Michael
O'Connell, Jake
Mastrud, Jeron
Heller, Will
Epps, Dedrick
Cooley, Chris
Clark, Dallas
Beckum, Travis
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Thomas, David
McMichael, Randy
Boss, Kevin
Baker, Josh

So not much. Cooley would be interesting. Maybe Boss. Otherwise I'd rather stick with the young guys.


Meh list. What we need is another TE that can block. Willson fills the pass catching niche, if not McGrath. Neither Boss nor Cooley are blockers.

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McCoy was proven to be good at dropping a lot of passes. "Stone hands" McCoy.



Its funny that receivers that drop the football a lot are said to have "hands of stone".

While one of the best lb for lb boxers of all time was called Hands of Stone, Roberto Duran.

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McCoy was proven to be good at dropping a lot of passes. "Stone hands" McCoy.

He only had one drop last year. Some of you are seriously selling him short, he's a solid back up and both St Louis games aside he had a good season imo.

It's an issue of either not paying attention or people telling themselves that it doesn't matter. He's a solid overall #2 TE. I shouldn't be surprised how some can be so grossly incorrect about McCoy, but I am. McCoy improved a lot and was a consistent contributor last year as a blocker especially, but also gave us some nice big plays in the passing game. As to why some people choose not to acknowledge that I don't know.

We'll be fine and will have to adjust with having more 3 WR sets and more Mike Rob leading while Wilson and whoever else is brought along as a #2 TE candidate, but we'll be fine. Will be an adjustment, but we'll be fine.


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Damn, he was getting better each season.

WTF?...now we have to root for Fells, who was just cut and resigned. Also Miller is coming off an injury.

This has a high suck factor.

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First of all, I like Anthony McCoy. I like how he was improving. I do think that it will have Willson a chance to improve faster because he should get more reps. To me, that's the silver lining. It doesn't mean that I am happy McCoy is injured or that I don't trust the coaching staff. When things happen, you have to find the positive otherwise it gets depressing.

The problem is that McCoy had kind of proven himself to be a reliable #2 tight end. We don't know what Willson is, so if he doesn't become a dependable #2, that could be a problem. I like being able to go 2 tight ends. That list of available tight ends is pretty blah.


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McCoy was proven to be good at dropping a lot of passes. "Stone hands" McCoy.

my thoughts too...we just fine without him...


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He should have been on that Adderall, maybe it wouldn't have happened.

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If we wanted a blocking TE, we should bring back WIll Heller.


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Dropped Passes - 2012 NFL Season
"This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it. If the ball is thrown but the receiver never gets his hands on it, it is not recorded as a drop."

Most drops (percentage): Jermaine Kearse, Leon Washington, Lex Hilliard, James Starks...and so on. After counting 80-something guys I gave up and just scrolled down until I found Anthony's name on the list. He's way down there with the following stats: 18 receptions; 1 drop; 28 targets; 64 targets %; 3.57% drop percentage.

The perception that he has "stone hands" is simply inaccurate.

Source: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2012/

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There is of course always a lot of hyperbole happening around this place, and any player who develops a rep for dropsies like Tate or McCoy is subjected to an unfair unremitting excoriation by the uninformed.

To me the only knock on McCoy is that he's not very fast after the catch. I hope he get's better soon and if the team doesn't IR him .

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I have begged to replace McCoy more than anyone, but lets not pretend we have his replacement just waiting to take over. We have no idea if Willson can block.

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Dropped Passes - 2012 NFL Season
"This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it. If the ball is thrown but the receiver never gets his hands on it, it is not recorded as a drop."

Most drops (percentage): Jermaine Kearse, Leon Washington, Lex Hilliard, James Starks...and so on. After counting 80-something guys I gave up and just scrolled down until I found Anthony's name on the list. He's way down there with the following stats: 18 receptions; 1 drop; 28 targets; 64 targets %; 3.57% drop percentage.

The perception that he has "stone hands" is simply inaccurate.

Source: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2012/

So far, I've not seen ANY retractions from those who have labeled McCoy as "Stone Hands", even though they don't bother to look up ANY stats.
They are quick to disparage others for defending a player because THEY have judged someone as inferior, and using phrases like "And How Did That Work Out For You" as a verbal slap. :141847_bnono:
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All we can do is hope somebody like Wilson can step up. In his interviews, he sees himself as a "protypical TE," so that makes me think he won't shy away from blocking duties. I'd love to see Fells used in the red zone because his size would give defenders fits regardless of how raw he is.


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If Willson lacks something in blocking, just run more formations with a FB and a single TE. We have depth there now assuming Ware can hack it. And then use Willson as primarily a receiving theat.

Doesn't seem like a huge concern, though I would've loved to have McCoy on the depth chart just in case.


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I have begged to replace McCoy more than anyone, but lets not pretend we have his replacement just waiting to take over. We have no idea if Willson can block.


His college coach said that is primarily what he was used for last season.

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All we can do is hope somebody like Wilson can step up. In his interviews, he sees himself as a "protypical TE," so that makes me think he won't shy away from blocking duties. I'd love to see Fells used in the red zone because his size would give defenders fits regardless of how raw he is.


I would add that Willson has offered up, in one of those interviews, that he does need to work on his blocking. I think they selected him for his run and catch skills. The blocking, beyond chip blocking might evolve as the season progresses. Interesting that tryout addition Victor Marshall was also added for his run and catch ability. Darren Fells at 281 pounds is probably a reach to come in as an inline blocker right away. But I'm sure Fells in motivated.

The are 3 months, one training camp, a few more OTAs, and four preseason games away from finalizing their roster. Plenty of time to recover from this set back. And ...... there is the Tom Cable option of going with an atheletic lineman to provide services as a blocking TE.


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If Willson lacks something in blocking, just run more formations with a FB and a single TE. We have depth there now assuming Ware can hack it. And then use Willson as primarily a receiving theat.

Doesn't seem like a huge concern, though I would've loved to have McCoy on the depth chart just in case.


This is where I'm at, even if this limits our 2 TE formations, Miller is good enough, and we have so much versatility with our run/pass/read-zone stuff, that we can afford to experiment with our second TE and still be crazy effective on offense.


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I have begged to replace McCoy more than anyone, but lets not pretend we have his replacement just waiting to take over. We have no idea if Willson can block.


His college coach said that is primarily what he was used for last season.

He also barely played last season. Injury mostly.

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Dropped Passes - 2012 NFL Season
"This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it. If the ball is thrown but the receiver never gets his hands on it, it is not recorded as a drop."

Most drops (percentage): Jermaine Kearse, Leon Washington, Lex Hilliard, James Starks...and so on. After counting 80-something guys I gave up and just scrolled down until I found Anthony's name on the list. He's way down there with the following stats: 18 receptions; 1 drop; 28 targets; 64 targets %; 3.57% drop percentage.

The perception that he has "stone hands" is simply inaccurate.

Source: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2012/

So far, I've not seen ANY retractions from those who have labeled McCoy as "Stone Hands", even though they don't bother to look up ANY stats.
They are quick to disparage others for defending a player because THEY have judged someone as inferior, and using phrases like "And How Did That Work Out For You" as a verbal slap. :141847_bnono:
Hell, maybe they'd be happy to have Jeremy Stevens back :shock:



I posted an arricle where he dropped 7 of 49 targets a few months ago. Anyone that believes he only dropped one pass simply isn't watchimg the games and relies soley on inaccurately kept stat sheets.


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It's an issue of either not paying attention or people telling themselves that it doesn't matter. He's a solid overall #2 TE. I shouldn't be surprised how some can be so grossly incorrect about McCoy, but I am. McCoy improved a lot and was a consistent contributor last year as a blocker especially, but also gave us some nice big plays in the passing game. As to why some people choose not to acknowledge that I don't know.


I can acknowledge that all of the above is true and still suspect he could have been cut.

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I don't think that one drop stat is correct. Off the top of my head I remember one against the rams week 17 and one against the Redskins.

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There is a problem with message boards..."Facts" to some folk are not "Facts" to another and we end up shouting to one another. Again, it always boils down to "Who do you believe?"

High Probability: McCoy will not play during the 2013-14 season.
Moderate Probability: One of the other TE's in camp will step up to make up for those 18 catches.
Moderate Probability: One of those TE's will be as good a blocker as McCoy was.

That's all there is to talk about!! Proclaiming that he had "good hands or bad hands" is a mute point....he is not playing this year! When he returns next year, we can all speculate whether he will return to his previous accomplishments or fight over the "fact" that his replacement is better.


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There is a problem with message boards..."Facts" to some folk are not "Facts" to another and we end up shouting to one another. Again, it always boils down to "Who do you believe?"

High Probability: McCoy will not play during the 2013-14 season.
Moderate Probability: One of the other TE's in camp will step up to make up for those 18 catches.
Moderate Probability: One of those TE's will be as good a blocker as McCoy was.

That's all there is to talk about!! Proclaiming that he had "good hands or bad hands" is a mute point....he is not playing this year! When he returns next year, we can all speculate whether he will return to his previous accomplishments or fight over the "fact" that his replacement is better.



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I wouldn't rule McCoy out for the season by the way. It's usually a 6 month recovery.. sometimes it can go longer, but 6 months would put him back in late October/early November. He could come back after the bye week, which is like.. Week 12 I believe.

Remember the league changed the IR rule to allow players to come back midseason. I imagine that's the IR McCoy will find himself on.

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I wouldn't rule McCoy out for the season by the way. It's usually a 6 month recovery.. sometimes it can go longer, but 6 months would put him back in late October/early November. He could come back after the bye week, which is like.. Week 12 I believe.

Remember the league changed the IR rule to allow players to come back midseason. I imagine that's the IR McCoy will find himself on.


It has been my observation that a torn and surgically repaired Achilles takes longer to heal than the "usual" MCL tear. My meaning of "repaired" means that the athlete can stretch out, run at full speed and turn quickly without any pain.


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Willson doesn't LOOK like a guy you'd expect to be a decent blocker. He looks like a tall, 220 pound receiver. But then again, in reality Willson actually weighs a respectable 251, meaning his BMI on paper is almost identical to Zach Miller. So I guess we'll find out. We don't need him to be an all world blocker. He won't be blocking defensive lineman in the running game almost ever.


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McCoy is very replaceable. I hate to say that, but it isn't like he is a major cog in the offense. Good blocker and nice decoy to use with defenses thinking he was in to block, but we have options here.

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It may be completely obvious, as in, "totally dropping the ball"... but does McCoy falling down in the flat to have the easy first down catch go over his head for a game ending interception against the Rams, officially count as a "drop"?

I'll take my chances with the new combination of Zach Miller and Luke Willson any given Sunday...


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If Willson lacks something in blocking, just run more formations with a FB and a single TE. We have depth there now assuming Ware can hack it. And then use Willson as primarily a receiving theat.

Doesn't seem like a huge concern, though I would've loved to have McCoy on the depth chart just in case.


This is where I'm at, even if this limits our 2 TE formations, Miller is good enough, and we have so much versatility with our run/pass/read-zone stuff, that we can afford to experiment with our second TE and still be crazy effective on offense.

If we come up with two Zack Millers, wouldn't that be someting? Before him, I can't recall when when we had a TE that could come off his block and catch (on the same snap) so well.


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Losing Anthony McCoy sucks however the loss stings less when you have a guy like Percy Harvin taking significant snaps away from everyone.

McCoy's blocking can be replaced by Sean McGrath, who has similar athleticism and is very well-rounded in terms of blocking and catching... or if that doesn't fancy you, blocking TEs are dime a dozen... once teams start cutting players, Seahawks likely will find one that is worth something if none of their players step up.

McCoy's catching can probably be replaced by Luke Willson, its hard to predict a 5th round player to make an impact but the Seahawks are pretty high on his ability and they'll utilize his skillset while giving him an opportunity to make plays now that McCoy doesn't factor in the group. At the very least he has to be better than Eric Moore.

I'm not going to say anything on Darren Fells other than he has a long way to go.

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There are those that had said losing Crabtree would make our chances better, and so what tough luck for him, granted not in this thread but Softy was on the radio and harping himslef on how it was a good thing nd callers were chiming in saying who's gonna care a wins a win and 5 years from now nobodys gonna remember he was out for the season.

I was referenceing the quanity of fans that were in that type of mind set.

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If I had to choose from the above list, I would go for Dallas Clark.


Can't block, old and injury prone. Wilson's potential > The little Clark has left.


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Travis Beckum is someone I think the Hawks should bring in for a workout.


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McCoy is very replaceable. I hate to say that, but it isn't like he is a major cog in the offense. Good blocker and nice decoy to use with defenses thinking he was in to block, but we have options here.


He is replaceable, but whether we have that guy on the roster is yet to be determined. As you mentioned above, a benefit of McCoy's game was that having him in didn't tip the play call at all - seeing as he is a very good blocker and at least functional/adequate as a receiver. I am intrigued by Willson and McGrath, but it is TBD whether they should be on the field as run blockers, and this offense likes two TE sets.

I would have to give consideration to bringing David Thomas, Kevin Boss, Randy McMichael or Leonard Pope to camp just in case Willson/McGrath aren't up to the task.

Small issue though.


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Travis Beckum is someone I think the Hawks should bring in for a workout.


He's only 234, more of an H-Back.


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Travis Beckum is someone I think the Hawks should bring in for a workout.


He's only 234, more of an H-Back.

Umm, I'm aware of that. And he's someone I think the Hawks should bring in for a workout.


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I loved McCoy's swagger... that little hop step he does when in motion, and the high-stepping downfield after a reception... this guy brings "swagtangibles" to the team. Need a dictionary??

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