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Very interesting. I will readily admit that was the one pick I thought seemed pretty ridiculous, only because he seemed like a 7th rounder at best. It would be awesome if they strike gold yet again on an unheralded 5th rounder

Our 4th and 5th rounders seem to be very hit or miss:

2010
4 - Walter Thurmond - Hit on talent, miss on health
4 - EJ Wilson - Miss
5 - Kam Chancellor - HIT

2011
4 - KJ Wright - HIT
4 - Kris Durham - Miss
5 - Richard Sherman - HIT
5 - Mark Legree - MISS

2012
4 - Robert Turbin - HIT
4 - Jaye Howard - Miss (so far)
5 - Korey Toomer - Miss

2013
4 - Chris Harper ?
5 - Jesse Williams ?
5 - Tharold Simon ?
5 - Luke Willson ?


Gee, so compared to other teams, how do suppose we break out? We had better find a GM that isn't so 'hit or miss' in those later rounds. Was the guy you are responding to saying we 'hit' every pick in those rounds?

Was I saying that it's a terrible thing that we hit or miss? You misread my post entirely. I wasn't denigrating Pete or John at all, just simply observing that we either hit 4th and 5th rounders out of the park, or they fizzle out quickly. Like kearly said, the fact that we've hit so many times in such a short amount of time in those later rounds is incredible.

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Looks like he made a good first day impression. He's an intriguing athlete to say the least. The fact he was one of only two players named by JS as "must-gets" from the draft impresses me.

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Very interesting. I will readily admit that was the one pick I thought seemed pretty ridiculous, only because he seemed like a 7th rounder at best. It would be awesome if they strike gold yet again on an unheralded 5th rounder

Our 4th and 5th rounders seem to be very hit or miss:

2010
4 - Walter Thurmond - Hit on talent, miss on health
4 - EJ Wilson - Miss
5 - Kam Chancellor - HIT

2011
4 - KJ Wright - HIT
4 - Kris Durham - Miss
5 - Richard Sherman - HIT
5 - Mark Legree - MISS

2012
4 - Robert Turbin - HIT
4 - Jaye Howard - Miss (so far)
5 - Korey Toomer - Miss

2013
4 - Chris Harper ?
5 - Jesse Williams ?
5 - Tharold Simon ?
5 - Luke Willson ?


LeGree, Durham and Wilson are gone so those are misses but to call Howard or Toomer a miss after one season is a bit silly, Kam was only a backup after one season. Developed into a pro bowler in year 2, not saying Howard or Toomer will but it's too soon to call it either way.


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Only saw a couple of clips, but I liked that he seems to reach out and catch with his hands. That seems to be a dying art lately. So many guys let the ball get into their bodies on so many catches. It's all about the technique.

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I love that both Willson and Harper have strong soft hands. We will be five-deep at WR and two-deep at TE with receivers with great hands.


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He looks a bit like James Woods. He's a good interview. Seems like he gets it.


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I will never question a JS/PC draft pick until they give me a reason to. Stats aren't everything and that is what seems to be why everyone questioned the pick. It is really easy to be an armchair player evaluator.


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Looks like he made a good first day impression. He's an intriguing athlete to say the least. The fact he was one of only two players named by JS as "must-gets" from the draft impresses me.

http://blog.seahawks.com/2013/05/10/fri ... -minicamp/


I must have missed this. Who was the other? I didn't see it mentioned in the article you linked.


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Very interesting. I will readily admit that was the one pick I thought seemed pretty ridiculous, only because he seemed like a 7th rounder at best. It would be awesome if they strike gold yet again on an unheralded 5th rounder

Our 4th and 5th rounders seem to be very hit or miss:

2010
4 - Walter Thurmond - Hit on talent, miss on health
4 - EJ Wilson - Miss
5 - Kam Chancellor - HIT

2011
4 - KJ Wright - HIT
4 - Kris Durham - Miss
5 - Richard Sherman - HIT
5 - Mark Legree - MISS

2012
4 - Robert Turbin - HIT
4 - Jaye Howard - Miss (so far)
5 - Korey Toomer - Miss

2013
4 - Chris Harper ?
5 - Jesse Williams ?
5 - Tharold Simon ?
5 - Luke Willson ?


LeGree, Durham and Wilson are gone so those are misses but to call Howard or Toomer a miss after one season is a bit silly, Kam was only a backup after one season. Developed into a pro bowler in year 2, not saying Howard or Toomer will but it's too soon to call it either way.



I agree with W.C.Steve:

Howard made the team, Toomer was put on the practice squad.

Everyone knew Toomer would be a raw, developmental prospect and was a longshot to make the team.

In Howard's case, I think the Seahawks liked him enough, but he still had to develop his base and core strength to be a little more consistent. . Seahawks, also, had one of the best Defenses, last season, which shows the strength of their players and its depth chart. Only 45 players are allowed to suit up, some guys just had to be inactive. Besides the person who pretty much recruited Jaye Howard to the Seahawks, is now the Seahawk's Defensive Coordinator. If anyone knows how to use Howard's skillset and maximize his potential its going to be Dan Quinn.

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 Post subject: Re: Luke Willson
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Hope Willson is able to stick if he shows he can handle the blocking aspect. I am just amazed at the TE depth that Rice University had. Their starter is drafted in the 2nd, Willson in the 5th and another signing with the Cowboys (?) as an UDFA. I think the Huskies had two of the TEs back in the day make it to camps like this.

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Looks like he made a good first day impression. He's an intriguing athlete to say the least. The fact he was one of only two players named by JS as "must-gets" from the draft impresses me.

http://blog.seahawks.com/2013/05/10/fri ... -minicamp/


I must have missed this. Who was the other? I didn't see it mentioned in the article you linked.

I'm not positive on this, but I remember hearing it was Jordan Hill.

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One thing that I find interesting is this - Wasn't Wilson the second tight end picked from Rice in the draft? Didn't the 49ers take a tight end Right in front of us in an earlier round That caused the Seahawks to trade back?

At the time I remember thinking That the Hawks must have been eying THAT player - And we ended up with his teammate in a later round...weird. Add to that that JS is fired up over Wilson and I'm left scratching my head.

Not that I think Wilson will be a bad player, just a strange turn if events is all.

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They specifically pointed out earlier that they think Toomer is going to break out this season and is doing really good things so far. I think the lack of drafting any WLB in the draft tells me they're very confident in Toomer.

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I have a feeling that the 49ers were trying to copycat us on a number of players in this draft, and on this one missed the boat entirely. We probably were at Rice scouting Luke Willson because of his incredible speed at that size, then the niners followed us there, thought we were looking at McDonald, and made a point of trading up trying to one ups manship us. (ex. Patton, Daniels, drafting so many many names etc.)

I predict this: Willson outperforms, outplays, and outproduces McDonald across the course of their careers. I'd wager he edges him in receptions, yards, avg yards per reception, first downs, and TDs. And more Superbowl rings too :)

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I have a feeling that the 49ers were trying to copycat us on a number of players in this draft, and on this one missed the boat entirely. We probably were at Rice scouting Luke Willson because of his incredible speed at that size, then the niners followed us there, thought we were looking at McDonald, and made a point of trading up trying to one ups manship us. (ex. Patton, Daniels, drafting so many many names etc.)

I predict this: Willson outperforms, outplays, and outproduces McDonald across the course of their careers. I'd wager he edges him in receptions, yards, avg yards per reception, first downs, and TDs. And more Superbowl rings too :)

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What makes you say that?

I don't have any knowledge either way, so I'm curious.

If in fact we meant to take Wilson all along, why do you think we traded back from that spot after the 9ers took the other guy?

Like I said, I know nothing about either player, I'm happy to see the Jimmy Graham comps, obviously. I hope you're right.

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I have a feeling that the 49ers were trying to copycat us on a number of players in this draft, and on this one missed the boat entirely. We probably were at Rice scouting Luke Willson because of his incredible speed at that size, then the niners followed us there, thought we were looking at McDonald, and made a point of trading up trying to one ups manship us. (ex. Patton, Daniels, drafting so many many names etc.)

I predict this: Willson outperforms, outplays, and outproduces McDonald across the course of their careers. I'd wager he edges him in receptions, yards, avg yards per reception, first downs, and TDs. And more Superbowl rings too :)

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What makes you say that?

I don't have any knowledge either way, so I'm curious.

If in fact we meant to take Wilson all along, why do you think we traded back from that spot after the 9ers took the other guy?

Like I said, I know nothing about either player, I'm happy to see the Jimmy Graham comps, obviously. I hope you're right.


We've traded down early and often in every draft of the PC and JS era. We probably didn't see anyone worth taking instead of trading down and took advantage of an offer.


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I have a feeling that the 49ers were trying to copycat us on a number of players in this draft, and on this one missed the boat entirely. We probably were at Rice scouting Luke Willson because of his incredible speed at that size, then the niners followed us there, thought we were looking at McDonald, and made a point of trading up trying to one ups manship us. (ex. Patton, Daniels, drafting so many many names etc.)

I predict this: Willson outperforms, outplays, and outproduces McDonald across the course of their careers. I'd wager he edges him in receptions, yards, avg yards per reception, first downs, and TDs. And more Superbowl rings too :)

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What makes you say that?

I don't have any knowledge either way, so I'm curious.

If in fact we meant to take Wilson all along, why do you think we traded back from that spot after the 9ers took the other guy?

Like I said, I know nothing about either player, I'm happy to see the Jimmy Graham comps, obviously. I hope you're right.


I can explain this for you.

First, as mentioned earlier in the thread, JS said that Luke Willson was the only player in this draft that they felt they couldn't leave without. They felt the same way about Russell Wilson and Bruce Irvin last year. That right there tells you that they had no interest in drafting Vance McDonald.

Second, they explained on Brock and Danny why they traded down. All three of the players they were eyeing in the second round were still on the board when their original pick was coming up. They felt at the time that they would be happy with any three of those players in the second round, so they made the decision to get additional picks from Baltimore who wanted to move up. Luckily, by the time their new pick came up, the top guy on their board (Christine Michael) was still available. Here's the other cool thing: another one of those three players they would've happily taken in the second was actually Jordan Hill. He ended up lasting all the way to their third round pick, and they managed to get two guys who they coveted in the second round.

The 49ers trading up for Vance McDonald had nothing to do with Seattle's decision-making. In fact, they decided to trade down before the 49ers pick was officially revealed. I think San Francisco seriously thought Seattle was eyeing McDonald and pointlessly wasted draft capital to get him.


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I have a feeling that the 49ers were trying to copycat us on a number of players in this draft, and on this one missed the boat entirely. We probably were at Rice scouting Luke Willson because of his incredible speed at that size, then the niners followed us there, thought we were looking at McDonald, and made a point of trading up trying to one ups manship us. (ex. Patton, Daniels, drafting so many many names etc.)

I predict this: Willson outperforms, outplays, and outproduces McDonald across the course of their careers. I'd wager he edges him in receptions, yards, avg yards per reception, first downs, and TDs. And more Superbowl rings too :)

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What makes you say that?

I don't have any knowledge either way, so I'm curious.

If in fact we meant to take Wilson all along, why do you think we traded back from that spot after the 9ers took the other guy?

Like I said, I know nothing about either player, I'm happy to see the Jimmy Graham comps, obviously. I hope you're right.


I can explain this for you.

First, as mentioned earlier in the thread, JS said that Luke Willson was the only player in this draft that they felt they couldn't leave without. They felt the same way about Russell Wilson and Bruce Irvin last year. That right there tells you that they had no interest in drafting Vance McDonald.

Second, they explained on Brock and Danny why they traded down. All three of the players they were eyeing in the second round were still on the board when their original pick was coming up. They felt at the time that they would be happy with any three of those players in the second round, so they made the decision to get additional picks from Baltimore who wanted to move up. Luckily, by the time their new pick came up, the top guy on their board (Christine Michael) was still available. Here's the other cool thing: another one of those three players they would've happily taken in the second was actually Jordan Hill. He ended up lasting all the way to their third round pick, and they managed to get two guys who they coveted in the second round.

The 49ers trading up for Vance McDonald had nothing to do with Seattle's decision-making. In fact, they decided to trade down before the 49ers pick was officially revealed. I think San Francisco seriously thought Seattle was eyeing McDonald and pointlessly wasted draft capital to get him.


Thanks for sharing, I hadn't heard about the 3 still on their board. If that's the case than this draft class was certainly a productive one. I'm really exicted to see what the 2 DT's can do. I'm also very excited to see what kind of impact Harper and Willson will make on this team. I've got to beleive both will make the team and should be contributors this year.


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Willson has nearly identical size and speed to Jimmy Graham, in fact he was the only draftable tight end this year who could really make a claim like that. So the sense of excitement about getting him makes complete sense. I don't think Willson will be that good, but at his best he might be one of the better vertical threat TEs in the league. Seattle's offense is all about making defenses as uncomfortable as possible. Even if Wilson only has 200 yards receiving next season, he could still elevate the offense as teams will have to account for him.


We just need an Evan Moore who can actually catch the ball. That guy was the perfect piece for our offense, except that he dropped the ball almost every time it hit him in the hands.

If Willson can upgrade on that and he can actually catch, our receiving game will be wide open with 2 TE sets.

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Very interesting. I will readily admit that was the one pick I thought seemed pretty ridiculous, only because he seemed like a 7th rounder at best. It would be awesome if they strike gold yet again on an unheralded 5th rounder

Our 4th and 5th rounders seem to be very hit or miss:

2010
4 - Walter Thurmond - Hit on talent, miss on health
4 - EJ Wilson - Miss
5 - Kam Chancellor - HIT

2011
4 - KJ Wright - HIT
4 - Kris Durham - Miss
5 - Richard Sherman - HIT
5 - Mark Legree - MISS

2012
4 - Robert Turbin - HIT
4 - Jaye Howard - Miss (so far)
5 - Korey Toomer - Miss

2013
4 - Chris Harper ?
5 - Jesse Williams ?
5 - Tharold Simon ?
5 - Luke Willson ?



I think saying Jaye Howard and Korey Toomer are misses is a bit presumptuous. They have only been on the squad for a year and both had guys pretty much penciled in as starters ahead of them. If Toomer and Howard can't perform well enough to get some playing time this year, then we might begin considering them as misses. Personally, I think both of them are going to surprise a lot of people after working with one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL for a year.


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I'm sure we'll have a lot of fun with his name. There are so many things we can do with it.

First of all, we can call him The Godfather as thats what Luke Wilson was called in Old School.

Secondly, he can "Will" us to victory because he has a Jedi name.

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Awesome!

I think that Luke Wilson is one of the reasons they decided to let Fells go. The kid has all the physical tools, I'm hoping with some good coaching he can pull it all together.


Yup, Fells was probably at the bottom of the list. Very raw because he played no college ball.


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Bravo for Willson and I hope he's everything the expect him to be. If he is, that will make this offense dynamic in the passing game. Imagine adding another tall receiver, one that weighst 250#, for Russell to spot running free past those "tiny" DBs downfield.

I have big hopes for Willson but they are tempered by his injury history. He had an ankle injury, presumably a high ankle sprain, in 2012 that limited him to 9 catches for a meager 126 yards and 2 TDs. From what I could find, he had ankle problems in 2011 that forced him to miss time and there were some injury issues in 2010 but information is hard to come by.

It's not like he had a lot of opportunity to catch the ball when he was on the field. The Rice football team seemed to focus on the run and in 2012 averaged 201.8 yards per game with a 4.2 ypa average which netted them 26 rushing touchdowns. But their passing game wasn't bad either with their QB, Taylor McHargue having ~60% completion percentage and a 12 to 5 TD to INT ratio. For the year, McHargue had 194 completions.

Even so, there were 7 other players on the Rice Owls with double digit numbers in receptions, but really on 4 that were significant:
Jordan Taylor 57 catches 826 yards 3 TDs
Sam McGuffie 54 catches 603 yards 5 TDs
Vance McDonald 36 catches 458 yards 2 TDs
Donte Moore 26 catches 326 yards 4 TDs

In 2012 Willson was a team captain and finished his career at Rice with 78 catches for 986 yards (12.6 yards per) and 9 TDs.

Apparently his father and both brothers have played sports and besides football, Luke spent time in the Blue Jays 2011 "extended" spring training camp.

I hope he can get in the training he needs to avoid injuries or his career will be over before it gets started.

I especially enjoyed this quote:

"I had got a phone call at pick No. 157 and when I answered the phone I saw a Seattle area code. I answered it and it was (GM John Schneider) and I actually gave the thumbs up and my family and friends erupted. To be honest, I actually didn't even watch my selection on TV because I already knew and, besides, I was shaking I was so excited."

[url]sports.ca.msn.com/nfl/news/seahawks-select-canadian-luke-willson-in-5th-round-of-nfl-draft[/url]

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Okay I'll jump on the Luke Willson bandwagon myself. I'm willing to bet that he makes the 53-man roster.


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Very interesting. I will readily admit that was the one pick I thought seemed pretty ridiculous, only because he seemed like a 7th rounder at best. It would be awesome if they strike gold yet again on an unheralded 5th rounder

Our 4th and 5th rounders seem to be very hit or miss:

2010
4 - Walter Thurmond - Hit on talent, miss on health
4 - EJ Wilson - Miss
5 - Kam Chancellor - HIT

2011
4 - KJ Wright - HIT
4 - Kris Durham - Miss
5 - Richard Sherman - HIT
5 - Mark Legree - MISS

2012
4 - Robert Turbin - HIT
4 - Jaye Howard - Miss (so far)
5 - Korey Toomer - Miss

2013
4 - Chris Harper ?
5 - Jesse Williams ?
5 - Tharold Simon ?
5 - Luke Willson ?


That hit rate, coupled with the fact that we intentionally add additional 4th/5th round picks by sacrificing our day 1/2 draft position is virtually akin to getting 2 first round picks every single year. Even if you account for the NFL standard 'hit' rates.

That is beyond fantastic. And what's better, is that it's an ability that is sustainable throughout periods of success.


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 Post subject: Re: Luke Willson
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I would just like to point out I was the first person to take Luke Willson as my adopt a rookie. So far its looking like I made a pretty good choice :)


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