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  • Tate was by far the most improved player for 2012.

    He had a terd of game against SF early in the season, but then it seemed like he picked himself up and went to work.
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  • I think we are all going to have to steel ourselves against losing 1 or 2 big name players over the next 2 years. Of all the teams in the NFL I think the Seahawks are one that a player would make financial sacrifices for on field glory. But at the end of the day, something has to give. Probably why PC/JS are stacking as much as they can on the 2's.

    Will Tate be a casualty, probably not, but Rice, probably. Going to be really intersting how training camp plays out.
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  • Love me some Tate. His spinning TD against the Jets cracks me up every time. And that juke around 6:00 is a thing of beauty.
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  • Prior to this past season, there were times I got the impression Pete was getting rather discouraged with Tate's (slow) development. Fortunately, Pete is smart enough to understand the difference a competent QB makes. I doubt anyone wants to part ways with Tate, but it will come down to money. Someone suggested we let Rice go before Tate go and I don't endorse that at all. With Harvin and Baldwin, we would miss Rice way more than Tate. Can't happen.
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  • To set the record straight, Sidney's cap hit for 2013 is $9.7M... the same goes for 2014... and a slight escalation to $10.2M in 2015. Some people talk as if his cap hit is in excess of $13M. It's not... and never will be under this contract.

    IMO, last year he played to his $8.2M cap hit... but just barely.. considering his opportunities, which were limited. If you weren't aware, Calvin Johnson lead the league with 205 targets... Rice was targeted only 80 times last year.

    With the Hawks run-first offense, he likely won't be able to play to his $9.7M cap hit, especially considering that Percy will be taking away some of his targets.

    If I had to guess right now, I'd say that the Hawks keep Rice through this year and next year at a minimum. His contract is up after the 2015 season.

    Back on topic... I see great things for Tate's future. I would hate to lose him in FA.
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  • My nine year old daughter came in while I was watching this and she says.. "Oh, Seahawks! Man, we're going to kill them this year." When I asked her who she meant by "them", she said "Hello! The 49ers!".

    Needless to say she gets to stay up 30 minutes late tonight and eat ice cream.

    No disrespect to the guy that said Wilson made Tate look good but Tate earned his pay last year. He had so many tough catches and big YAC plays...
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  • Dude, that play he makes against Miami's RJ Stanford at the 5 minute mark is incredible to me--when Tate is in the zone, it's a thing of beauty!
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  • Tate's underrated, and I think enjoys that, he's elusive and most importantly.. he can take being hit.. rice worries me everytime he might be knocked out... I remember with Tjack.. rice when he did see the ball.. it was just long enough to catch it and then lights out.. a lot... this yr the bears game scared the crap outta me. Hopefully that can change but until it does I'll take tate over rice, Tate fights for yardage rice slumps unconscious for it
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  • Watching Tate reminds me of those old vibrating magnetic football games. Dude looks he's just out of control, elbows & knees flailing everywhere, but he's impossible to knock over.

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  • I would prefer keeping Tate to Rice if it comes to that. Tate can play at the X. We don't really seem to have a traditional offense anyway. Our best receiver is going to mostly play in the slot, for example.
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  • I said on these boards probably 2 years ago that Tate would become a Steve Smith-type WR for us. In terms of toughness, scrappiness, hands, quickness, and competitiveness, I think Golden has proven me right.
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  • GT was solid last year. There were a few drops early in the season that I am sure he would like to have to do over but after SF1 last year he was arguably the "go to" target for Wilson until Miller awoke later on. Would be a travesty to build up a guy like Tate and then lose him to FA. Tough choices lie ahead though.
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  • I'd love to keep Tate, and hope we do.

    IMO, Harper was drafted as the eventual replacement for Sidney. Before people have a fit, I am not comparing the two...I just think that either Rice or Miller will have to go in order to be able to sign Thomas, Sherman and Wilson (let alone Okung and others), if possible.

    I'm a huge Sidney fan and wish we would feature him even more...but I see the math. Worst case scenario, we lose Sidney but keep Golden and we still have the core of a very good WR group (Harvin, Tate, Baldwin and potentially Harper).
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  • Im cool with keeping Tate, but that means bye bye to Sydney Rice...and Im ok with that. Harper will step in and dominate.

    You can't keep Tate, Rice, and Harvin though after this year. Choices will have to be made.
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  • I was watching this Russell Wilson highlight video, and half way through it, I noticed a common occurrence.... Tate was in A LOT of the plays. I knew he had a couple here and there that were very good, but I didn't realize it was that significant. If we can resign him at a reasonable price, I'm ALL for it.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Exactly, he's just a slot WR. Can he play flanker? Can he play split-end? Does he provide an awesome value on Special Teams... I could care less if Baldwin is an RFA, that means nothing save for the fact the Seahawks could retain him for another year at a reasonable price... I'm just thinking about the bigger picture of it all. As I said, I think the Seahawks drafted Harper to fill the Obomanu role: A WR who can play all three positions at a solid level, and have above average to elite significance as a blocker, as well as be an awesome special teamer specifically as a Gunner. If Harper can show that he can do all of those roles, then he's easily a lock.

    As long as Tate and Harvin stay healthy, you really don't have any need for Baldwin, both Tate and Harvin can switch off in the split-end and slot roles, IF Baldwin sticks he will most likely be reduced 1-2 targets a game for 15-20 catches a year.

    At least Williams has the value of backing up Rice, as well as, making him expendable in 2014. I have nothing against Baldwin, he just offers little in versatility as well as future value. However, while I would like the Seahawks to keep him, I just think he'll be the odd man out if they only keep 5 WRs.


    Baldwin can play all the WR positions. All of Seattle's WRs are expected to line up everywhere. He just happens to be the best on our team in the slot (pre-Harvin). He also plays Special Teams on kick coverage.

    Pete Carroll also said he plans to play Harper on the outside and specifically said he was NOT a slot guy. I seriously doubt Harper could play the slot any better than Baldwin could play the outside, and Baldwin is far more trustworthy as a receiver in general at this point. I think Harper will make the team, but not at the expense of any of the top four WRs. He's a solid bet for WR #5. Williams and maybe Kearse have a shot of either taking Harper's place at #5 or making it on the roster as the WR #6.


    We'll see... but I think in the end in terms of keeping 5 WRs... Stephen Williams is more valuable that Doug Baldwin. Chris Harper is more valuable than Doug Baldwin. Of course this is in the scenario, that everyone is competing, and doing what they need to do to make the team. I'm trying to say that its established that Harper and Williams will make the team over Baldwin. I'm not, I'm just saying that if they both show up, work hard, and prove they have what it takes to play and be productive then Doug Baldwin becomes expendable and I already gave you key points:

    1) Seahawks are most likely going to replace Sidney Rice after this season, and having both Harper and Williams in the fold, makes that much more comfortable.

    2) Seahawks are most likely going to try to retain Golden Tate after this season (which makes point 1 more crucial in the bigger picture). If they do, there is no reason to continue to hang on to Baldwin with Harvin already on the roster.

    3) My point about Harper stands, the guy will be a load to handle. I'm not saying he's going to tear it up but you have to realize that the Seahawks drafted him with a 4th round pick over guys like Patton and their 5th round picks Williams, and Simon. They obviously liked his skillset and abilitiy enough to where he was a luxury pick even though we had Rice, Tate, Harvin, and Baldwin. Again why I feel why Harper is a lock, just think of what Ben Obomanu was for this team. Harper is the bigger, faster, more physical, more athletic version of that and provides a solid base of reciveing, blocking, and special teams ability. Whether he can play slot remains to be seen, but Harp is a seemingly smart WR, who possesses the toughness and attitude to go over the middle and make catches in traffic.

    4) Again, I'm not hating on Baldwin, he's a cool dude but for the future of this team, he's not an essential player anymore with Harvin making 10+ mill a year. In the end in a perfect world Seahawks will keep 6 WRs.
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  • Pandion Haliaetus wrote:
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    Pandion Haliaetus wrote:Exactly, he's just a slot WR. Can he play flanker? Can he play split-end? Does he provide an awesome value on Special Teams... I could care less if Baldwin is an RFA, that means nothing save for the fact the Seahawks could retain him for another year at a reasonable price... I'm just thinking about the bigger picture of it all. As I said, I think the Seahawks drafted Harper to fill the Obomanu role: A WR who can play all three positions at a solid level, and have above average to elite significance as a blocker, as well as be an awesome special teamer specifically as a Gunner. If Harper can show that he can do all of those roles, then he's easily a lock.

    As long as Tate and Harvin stay healthy, you really don't have any need for Baldwin, both Tate and Harvin can switch off in the split-end and slot roles, IF Baldwin sticks he will most likely be reduced 1-2 targets a game for 15-20 catches a year.

    At least Williams has the value of backing up Rice, as well as, making him expendable in 2014. I have nothing against Baldwin, he just offers little in versatility as well as future value. However, while I would like the Seahawks to keep him, I just think he'll be the odd man out if they only keep 5 WRs.


    Baldwin can play all the WR positions. All of Seattle's WRs are expected to line up everywhere. He just happens to be the best on our team in the slot (pre-Harvin). He also plays Special Teams on kick coverage.

    Pete Carroll also said he plans to play Harper on the outside and specifically said he was NOT a slot guy. I seriously doubt Harper could play the slot any better than Baldwin could play the outside, and Baldwin is far more trustworthy as a receiver in general at this point. I think Harper will make the team, but not at the expense of any of the top four WRs. He's a solid bet for WR #5. Williams and maybe Kearse have a shot of either taking Harper's place at #5 or making it on the roster as the WR #6.


    We'll see... but I think in the end in terms of keeping 5 WRs... Stephen Williams is more valuable that Doug Baldwin. Chris Harper is more valuable than Doug Baldwin. Of course this is in the scenario, that everyone is competing, and doing what they need to do to make the team. I'm trying to say that its established that Harper and Williams will make the team over Baldwin. I'm not, I'm just saying that if they both show up, work hard, and prove they have what it takes to play and be productive then Doug Baldwin becomes expendable and I already gave you key points:

    1) Seahawks are most likely going to replace Sidney Rice after this season, and having both Harper and Williams in the fold, makes that much more comfortable.

    2) Seahawks are most likely going to try to retain Golden Tate after this season (which makes point 1 more crucial in the bigger picture). If they do, there is no reason to continue to hang on to Baldwin with Harvin already on the roster.

    3) My point about Harper stands, the guy will be a load to handle. I'm not saying he's going to tear it up but you have to realize that the Seahawks drafted him with a 4th round pick over guys like Patton and their 5th round picks Williams, and Simon. They obviously liked his skillset and abilitiy enough to where he was a luxury pick even though we had Rice, Tate, Harvin, and Baldwin. Again why I feel why Harper is a lock, just think of what Ben Obomanu was for this team. Harper is the bigger, faster, more physical, more athletic version of that and provides a solid base of reciveing, blocking, and special teams ability. Whether he can play slot remains to be seen, but Harp is a seemingly smart WR, who possesses the toughness and attitude to go over the middle and make catches in traffic.

    4) Again, I'm not hating on Baldwin, he's a cool dude but for the future of this team, he's not an essential player anymore with Harvin making 10+ mill a year. In the end in a perfect world Seahawks will keep 6 WRs.


    There isn't a team in the NFL that would prefer to have Stephen Williams over Doug Baldwin. Not one. Sometimes you need to get your mind out of the X and Os for a second, and think about the big picture. Baldwin is a proven contributor on an elite team. Williams couldn't hack it on a terrible Cardinals team. Assuming they performed exactly the same in training camp, 32/32 GMs would take Baldwin over Williams based on real life gamr tape. That's a fact.

    Not saying Williams can't get coached up into something special, but right now, everything being equal, no GM in their right mind would take him over Doug Baldwin. Don't care what you think his limitations are (which I believe you're greatly exaggerating).
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  • No team would take Stephen Williams over Baldwin .... Ur crazy bruh
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  • Personally I prefer to keep the talk of who we are keeping in the future on hold till the 2014 off season.


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    What is this offense going to see, 60 to 70 snaps a game ? Our running game is going to take 40 to 45 % of those snaps. Only so many balls to go around. Balls thrown to RBs. Miller, Harvin, Rice, Tate, Baldwin, second TEs. Well this may be awesome when it comes to team goals it will definitely drive down individual stats. Individual stats play a big part of size of contract. Tates dollar numbers will be lower because his stats will not command the big dollar. Mind you, IF we win a Super Bowl, everybody's ability to earn a big pay check goes up dramatically. These lower stats will also make it a little easier to renegotiate in the future with Rice and Miller.
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  • I think Rice is the guy out next year, if we're gonna re-sign Tate. Tate is younger, stays healthier, he'll be cheaper, he's got more upside, better blocker and despite being shorter probably plays bigger then Rice. I love Rice but if it come down to the two a say Tate wins that battle, plus him and Russell have great chemistry. Rice also seems to get upset when he doesn't get the ball, which is hard to fault him for, but he almost shows up the QB with his actions sometimes. Hopefully we can keep both of them.
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  • I think Seattle has a top 5 offense in every category to go along with a top 5 defense in every category this year and that's a team that can win a Super Bowl. We haven't lost anybody that was irreplaceable and we only added better depth and competition to the roster. Unfortunately, San Fran is the team for us to beat and they are in our division, but we've proven we can mop the floors with them, so beating San Fran in San Fran isn't an impossible task. The most important thing for this team to do is focus on playing to win the road games. Grinding hard-nosed mistake-free football needs to become the focus as the offseason progresses.
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  • I really like Tate, I hope we can find away to keep him long term. I think with our WR group and Run game With Wilson at QB it will be flat out scary for other teams. Now you throw in our (I feel up graded D) all I can say is look out.

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  • Tate will be kept long term. It isn't even on my worry list.
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  • Golden Tate was immense last year.

    Not only did he make a stack load of incredible, and often incredibly important, plays, but he hardly had any drops either. I think that Thursday night Niners game was the only blot on his copy book.
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  • Tate is also a scrapper. He looks for blocks and people to hit, which is awesome for a dude with his stature.

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  • I think all of our receivers could be more productive this season. It took them half of last season to figure out that with this QB when a play breaks down its not over. As soon as the receivers began to maintain their route responsibilities big plays began to happen.
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  • I don't think there is any way they get rid of Baldwin, he's cheap and he's going to be a RFA. I like Tate but I want to see how he does this year before making a commitment to him. On the one hand he could put up another great season or with Harvin coming in he might become a non-factor (doubt it) let's see how it goes.

    Also to say Baldwin offers no versatility is BS, he's probably our best special teams receiver still on the roster.
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  • We'll see... but I think in the end in terms of keeping 5 WRs... Stephen Williams is more valuable that Doug Baldwin.


    Based on??? Stephen Williams might be the next Darren Fells for all we know.
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  • With what Harper's being penciled in for, one would forget he's a recent 4th round draft choice.
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  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:If Tate makes another big jump this year, well, we could certainly do worse than having two players with that kind of ability.


    This. Tate came in with huge hype and fell short of the everyones hopes from day 1. They gave him some time to work out his issues and then every year after the guy just keeps making huge strides. He will be a Probowler before he is done.
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  • Disappointed in Tate for the first 2 years, he made a believer out of me last year. Hey, even if he makes zero improvement this year, all he has to do is play at the same level this upcoming year and he's a dangerous weapon worth keeping around.

    I don't know if any of our WRs are the odd man out, but between Baldwin and Tate I know which one I want to see with us long-term. Baldwin is a solid NFL starter in the slot, but I can't see in my mind's eye Baldwin coming back to haunt us the way I can see Tate doing so.
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  • I’m still not 100% sold on Golden Tate. Before last season I was of the opinion that he an easily replaceable player. Now, I think he has proven that he can play in this league, but I still want to see more from him before we re-sign him. With big money already invested at WR (Rice & Harvin) I don’t think it would be wise to invest more money at that position. Sidney Rice is making $8.2 million per year average and Harvin is making $11.1 million per year average. I think Tate would sign a similar contract to Steelers WR Antonio Brown (6 years $43 million, $7.1 million average per year, $8.5 million guaranteed). Brown and Tate came out in the same draft but Brown was quicker to produce than Tate. IMO Tate is not a core player.

    I the next few years we need to re-sign the following players,

    (FS) Earl Thomas: Thomas is considered one of the top-3 Safeties in the NFL and will be costly to re-sign. When he re-signs he may be the highest paid safety making anywhere from $9 - $11 million per year if not more.

    (CB) Richard Sherman: By some he is already considered the best CB in the NFL, and elite CB command a lot of money. If he gives us a bit of a hometown discount, which hopefully will be cheaper than Revis’s $16 million per year, his contract will still be a big hit each year (estimate $14 million per year).

    (LT) Russell Okung: Is another player that will probably command top-5 LT type money, guestimate at least $12 million per year.

    (QB) Russell Wilson: He is under contract for three more years, but he will be another top-5 paid player at his position (estimate at least $16 million per year).

    (OLB) KJ Wright: While he may not command top-10 money for his position, he is still going to cost a pretty penny to re-sign.

    (MLB) Bobby Wagner: The last year of his contract is 2015, so he is yet another player who could be considered a core player.

    If Tate has another nice year, then put a 2nd round tender on him at the end of this season. He would still make good money, around $2.5 million. Then let the 2014 season be his “prove it” season, and by the end of that season if he proves to be a borderline Pro Bowl type player then reward him with a long contract. At worst we put a 2nd round tender on him after this season and he signs elsewhere. Then, all of a sudden we have an extra 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft. The 2014 draft is going to be a great draft for WR, and that additional 2nd round pick can be used to trade up in the 1st round to get a WR that we covet.
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  • I agree with your list although let's wait and see on Wagner and Wright. We've shown an ability to get LB's in the middle rounds and it seems we value LB's differently than Ruskell (Remember when we paid Hill, Tatupu and Curry 7 million plus a year).

    Not saying I don't value the LB position but if we could invest our money in the DL and secondary and continue to get cheap labor via the draft at LB I would be ecstatic.
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  • cover-2 wrote:If Tate has another nice year, then put a 2nd round tender on him at the end of this season. He would still make good money, around $2.5 million. Then let the 2014 season be his “prove it” season, and by the end of that season if he proves to be a borderline Pro Bowl type player then reward him with a long contract. At worst we put a 2nd round tender on him after this season and he signs elsewhere. Then, all of a sudden we have an extra 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft. The 2014 draft is going to be a great draft for WR, and that additional 2nd round pick can be used to trade up in the 1st round to get a WR that we covet.


    Tate isn't a RFA (Baldwin is), so they either the Hawks will reup him, franchise him or he will walk for nothing.
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  • Tate is unrestricted after this year. He can sign with any team for any amount after the season (unless he's franchised, which would surprise me). You can only put a 2nd round tender on a restricted free agent.
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  • I hate highlight flicks that show the same play four or five times. It drives me nuts.

    I think Tate is pretty good. I think with Tate, Baldwin, Harvin one of them has to be odd man out. No? I think Rice is done after this year and/or his deal is reworked.
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  • It all depends on the type of money he will be asking. We have other players we need to pay for before Tate. Golden really grew on me last year and I would love to have both him and Percy for years to come. However, if he again improves this year like last then I see him chasing the $$$ and good for him, he should get paid.
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  • getnasty wrote:I think Rice is the guy out next year, if we're gonna re-sign Tate. Tate is younger, stays healthier, he'll be cheaper, he's got more upside, better blocker and despite being shorter probably plays bigger then Rice. I love Rice but if it come down to the two a say Tate wins that battle, plus him and Russell have great chemistry. Rice also seems to get upset when he doesn't get the ball, which is hard to fault him for, but he almost shows up the QB with his actions sometimes. Hopefully we can keep both of them.


    I wouldn't say Tate plays bigger than Rice. Rice will extend and snatch the ball out of the air, just as he's always done throughout college.
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  • SE174 wrote:Might be 8 months late, but one could say Tate single-handedly beat the Packers. :thumbup:


    Actually, it was critical that he used TWO hands to make that catch.
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  • It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks tell Tate and his agent to go out and see what kind of money is out there after this year is over.

    At this point in time, I don't see Golden getting much more than ~4.5M/yr... and that likely would be for only a couple of years... at most, three.
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  • WestcoastSteve wrote:
    cover-2 wrote:If Tate has another nice year, then put a 2nd round tender on him at the end of this season. He would still make good money, around $2.5 million. Then let the 2014 season be his “prove it” season, and by the end of that season if he proves to be a borderline Pro Bowl type player then reward him with a long contract. At worst we put a 2nd round tender on him after this season and he signs elsewhere. Then, all of a sudden we have an extra 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft. The 2014 draft is going to be a great draft for WR, and that additional 2nd round pick can be used to trade up in the 1st round to get a WR that we covet.


    Tate isn't a RFA (Baldwin is), so they either the Hawks will reup him, franchise him or he will walk for nothing.


    Oh, my bad. Then I'm all for letting Tate test the free agent market.
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