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    loafoftatupu wrote:I have no problem with the Niners getting the nod. It wasn't much different with the Hawks in 2006, but the injury bug thwarted their run at success.

    The Niners earned that prediction and even considering the fantastic offseason the Hawks had, the Niners didn't lose a lot and made some gains of their own.

    Can the Hawks beat the Niners? Oh hell yes. But there are 14 other games to play and SF is going to be favored in most of them and they will likely win most of them. For now, the predictions of SF winning are warranted. I do believe that can change over the course of 2013.

    Loafo, Marshawn's date with the district attorney is probably going to affect the 49ers vs Seahawk game one way or the other. Evidence is clear he was driving drunk, and if he's convicted of a DUI, I think it's a for sure NFL two game suspension. I like Michael, he runs just like Lynch. But 2nd game into the season, he'll still be learning and not playing full speed. Marshawn is a big part of your offense, and I'm sure you will miss him if he can't be on the field. Not only do you have one of the toughest schedules, if not the toughest of them all, but if you don't have Marshawn for two or perhaps four weeks, that will definitely put a damper on the superbowl enthusiasm in Seattle and your offense. A half game separated the 49ers from the 'Hawks last year, a full game or two separation may be too far to make up to win the divsion if those games without Marshawn are losses.


    Think you're reading too much into the situation. Runningback is a position where rookies tend to excel pretty quickly. Just the past few seasons, you have Alfred Morris, Doug Martin, Trent Richardson, etc etc. that have played at very high levels. Michael isn't on the level of Marshawn Lynch and probably won't instantly command an 8 man box and somewhat limit our offensive balance until he proves he is worth the attention, but it isn't near the disaster of losing a starting QB and having to start a rookie.


    Michael will be a pretty good back from the videos the members here posted. I fully expect him to be productive from the start. It's in pass protection that new backs have problems in. 49ers have a decent pass rush, and that can be a problem on third and longs. Marshawn was a big key to winning that 49er v. seahawk game last year. He pretty much ran over the left side of the 49ers defensive line. RJF still has the cleatmarks on his back to show for it. I daresay if Michael is in the game on third and longs, I can see the 49ers doing a lot more blitzing than usual.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    loafoftatupu wrote:I have no problem with the Niners getting the nod. It wasn't much different with the Hawks in 2006, but the injury bug thwarted their run at success.

    The Niners earned that prediction and even considering the fantastic offseason the Hawks had, the Niners didn't lose a lot and made some gains of their own.

    Can the Hawks beat the Niners? Oh hell yes. But there are 14 other games to play and SF is going to be favored in most of them and they will likely win most of them. For now, the predictions of SF winning are warranted. I do believe that can change over the course of 2013.

    Loafo, Marshawn's date with the district attorney is probably going to affect the 49ers vs Seahawk game one way or the other. Evidence is clear he was driving drunk, and if he's convicted of a DUI, I think it's a for sure NFL two game suspension. I like Michael, he runs just like Lynch. But 2nd game into the season, he'll still be learning and not playing full speed. Marshawn is a big part of your offense, and I'm sure you will miss him if he can't be on the field. Not only do you have one of the toughest schedules, if not the toughest of them all, but if you don't have Marshawn for two or perhaps four weeks, that will definitely put a damper on the superbowl enthusiasm in Seattle and your offense. A half game separated the 49ers from the 'Hawks last year, a full game or two separation may be too far to make up to win the divsion if those games without Marshawn are losses.


    To be honest, I hope he plays. I'd prefer both teams at full strength when they meet. We didn't get that last year. Not saying the game would have been dramatically different (no way to predict), but I'd have liked to see what would have happened in that game if Justin isn't out, Aldon isn't hurt, and Vernon isn't knocked out of the game in the 1st quarter.
    It was late in the season. Everybody is hurt at that point in time. Injuries are a part of the game. That's why depth is so important on championship teams. I think the Giants have had at least three elite pass rushers since Coughlin has been coach. Depth on the pass rush side is a big question for both teams, but I think the 49ers might have the better depth for a 16 game season. The 'Hawks are still looking for that elite pass rusher.
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  • For all the talk and back and forth, remember. Michael isn't our backup RB, Turbin is.

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  • RichNhansom wrote:Evidence is clear he was driving drunk?

    Do tell, I haven't seen any real information being put out there so apparently they are only informing the Niner fan base?

    Sorry, you may end up correct but at this point no one really knows what is going to happen. You are simply hoping you don't have to face him and I can understand why but worse case scenario, we seen what Wilson could do in Atlanta when Lynch was playing on a sprained ankle so even without Lynch I am confident we can put a big fat W on the Niners.


    Christine Michael was essentially the 'Hawks first round draft choice. They could have chosen Demontre Moore or Alex Okefor at that position, but they chose an RB. I think that says a lot regarding their concern for Marshawns Dui Issue.
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  • sutz wrote:For all the talk and back and forth, remember. Michael isn't our backup RB, Turbin is.

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    Heh. I give that designation to Danger-Russ. :mrgreen:
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  • Giedi wrote:
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    Giedi wrote:Loafo, Marshawn's date with the district attorney is probably going to affect the 49ers vs Seahawk game one way or the other. Evidence is clear he was driving drunk, and if he's convicted of a DUI, I think it's a for sure NFL two game suspension. I like Michael, he runs just like Lynch. But 2nd game into the season, he'll still be learning and not playing full speed. Marshawn is a big part of your offense, and I'm sure you will miss him if he can't be on the field. Not only do you have one of the toughest schedules, if not the toughest of them all, but if you don't have Marshawn for two or perhaps four weeks, that will definitely put a damper on the superbowl enthusiasm in Seattle and your offense. A half game separated the 49ers from the 'Hawks last year, a full game or two separation may be too far to make up to win the divsion if those games without Marshawn are losses.


    Think you're reading too much into the situation. Runningback is a position where rookies tend to excel pretty quickly. Just the past few seasons, you have Alfred Morris, Doug Martin, Trent Richardson, etc etc. that have played at very high levels. Michael isn't on the level of Marshawn Lynch and probably won't instantly command an 8 man box and somewhat limit our offensive balance until he proves he is worth the attention, but it isn't near the disaster of losing a starting QB and having to start a rookie.


    Michael will be a pretty good back from the videos the members here posted. I fully expect him to be productive from the start. It's in pass protection that new backs have problems in. 49ers have a decent pass rush, and that can be a problem on third and longs. Marshawn was a big key to winning that 49er v. seahawk game last year. He pretty much ran over the left side of the 49ers defensive line. RJF still has the cleatmarks on his back to show for it. I daresay if Michael is in the game on third and longs, I can see the 49ers doing a lot more blitzing than usual.


    If Michael starts, no guarantee there as Turbin holds the #2 spot atm, then your DC will have to come up with a better answer for Percy Harvin (and Russell Wilson at home) then he showed capable of last year, before he succeeds with heavy blitzing in the Clink. The reason Lynch ran over your team is we had a lead and kept riding him, like we quite often did when we had 2-5 score leads last year. Your secondary is the weakest link of your defense, pass rush is only half the answer if you can't set the tone with your secondary, especially with Wilson's out of pocket agility.
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  • Michael may have been insurance for Lynch's DUI but it also makes sense to reduce Lynch's carries due to his running style. We will see if he gets suspended, I don't remember all the details about the incident when it came out but there was a belief it won't stick. Truth is I'm not overly worried about it. I think Lynch is great but we have enough weapons and a QB who showed in the playoffs, he can compensate. I actually wish Lynch would have sat out the Atlanta game. His injury was enough to make him mortal and he had a key fumble that probably doesn't happen if he is healthy and fresh.

    If Michael pans out we will have Lynch healthy and fresh for game two in your house and the playoffs. I think we'll be ok.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Michael may have been insurance for Lynch's DUI but it also makes sense to reduce Lynch's carries due to his running style. We will see if he gets suspended, I don't remember all the details about the incident when it came out but there was a belief it won't stick. Truth is I'm not overly worried about it. I think Lynch is great but we have enough weapons and a QB who showed in the playoffs, he can compensate. I actually wish Lynch would have sat out the Atlanta game. His injury was enough to make him mortal and he had a key fumble that probably doesn't happen if he is healthy and fresh.

    If Michael pans out we will have Lynch healthy and fresh for game two in your house and the playoffs. I think we'll be ok.


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  • What I remember about it was that he blew exactly .80 at the scene, and then blew over 8.0 at the station. According to his attorney, that means his BAC was trending up as his body metabolized the alcohol, which means his BAC was under .80 when he was driving. And that this argument has been successfully used in California to defeat a DUI charge.

    My guess is he'll plead down to reckless driving.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
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    Lady Talon wrote:Think you're reading too much into the situation. Runningback is a position where rookies tend to excel pretty quickly. Just the past few seasons, you have Alfred Morris, Doug Martin, Trent Richardson, etc etc. that have played at very high levels. Michael isn't on the level of Marshawn Lynch and probably won't instantly command an 8 man box and somewhat limit our offensive balance until he proves he is worth the attention, but it isn't near the disaster of losing a starting QB and having to start a rookie.


    Michael will be a pretty good back from the videos the members here posted. I fully expect him to be productive from the start. It's in pass protection that new backs have problems in. 49ers have a decent pass rush, and that can be a problem on third and longs. Marshawn was a big key to winning that 49er v. seahawk game last year. He pretty much ran over the left side of the 49ers defensive line. RJF still has the cleatmarks on his back to show for it. I daresay if Michael is in the game on third and longs, I can see the 49ers doing a lot more blitzing than usual.


    If Michael starts, no guarantee there as Turbin holds the #2 spot atm, then your DC will have to come up with a better answer for Percy Harvin (and Russell Wilson at home) then he showed capable of last year, before he succeeds with heavy blitzing in the Clink. The reason Lynch ran over your team is we had a lead and kept riding him, like we quite often did when we had 2-5 score leads last year. Your secondary is the weakest link of your defense, pass rush is only half the answer if you can't set the tone with your secondary, especially with Wilson's out of pocket agility.

    Seattle has an outstanding offense when its on the field. Key is - when it's on the field. Ball control teams like the 49ers do give outstading offenses problems simply because they can't get back on the field. A ball control power running attack will tend to do that. Atlanta game is an example. Laofa and I had a lengthy discussion about how to win away games, and it boils down to defense.

    The Seattle offense and the 49er offense do look the same. It's a long 16 game season, and again the Michael pick is an exciting pick for the Seahawk franchise. I think he can be heir apparent to Lynch when he decides to hang it up. Pete learned a lot from Seifert when he was with the 49er organization. Thats why I think both offenses are so similar and pretty much top of the line, with both QB's pretty much setting the standards for future NFL QBing for the next few years. With both offenses so even, I think its defense where the games between the two teams will turn. At this point the Seattle defense has more question marks than the 49er defense.
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  • 49ers SHOULD get the nod over us at this time, they went farther than we did last year. That and I like not being the favorite, would rather have a chip on our shoulders.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Michael may have been insurance for Lynch's DUI but it also makes sense to reduce Lynch's carries due to his running style. We will see if he gets suspended, I don't remember all the details about the incident when it came out but there was a belief it won't stick. Truth is I'm not overly worried about it. I think Lynch is great but we have enough weapons and a QB who showed in the playoffs, he can compensate. I actually wish Lynch would have sat out the Atlanta game. His injury was enough to make him mortal and he had a key fumble that probably doesn't happen if he is healthy and fresh.

    If Michael pans out we will have Lynch healthy and fresh for game two in your house and the playoffs. I think we'll be ok.

    I'm sure Tom can give Lynch some legal tips to beat the rap. Let's hope Tom Cable doesn't deck anybody if you do suffer your first loss. :mrgreen: Some of your defensive coaches are brand new and cant afford time in the hospital. Marshawn is a beast. I'm sure many of the 49er defenders will breath a sigh of relief if Lynch in the hooscow.
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  • MLOhawks wrote:49ers SHOULD get the nod over us at this time, they went farther than we did last year.

    I kinda like being the favorite in some circles, but I'm certainly not going to get upset about some people liking the Digits as favorites. To be the man, you gotta beat the man, and right now, the Digits are the man in the NFCW. Who is going to win the division? I'm confident in the Seahawks and I like our chances, but at this point it's a coin flip.
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  • BlueTalon wrote:What I remember about it was that he blew exactly .80 at the scene, and then blew over 8.0 at the station. According to his attorney, that means his BAC was trending up as his body metabolized the alcohol, which means his BAC was under .80 when he was driving. And that this argument has been successfully used in California to defeat a DUI charge.

    My guess is he'll plead down to reckless driving.


    That's not the sequence of events as described in the articles I posted on the precious page.

    It has also been reported that if he pleads guilty to anything that he will be suspended for 2 games. It has also been reported that Goodell doesn't need Lynch to be found guilty of anything in order for him to still decide to suspend Lynch

    And unfortutely for Lynch I am sure (thanks to Sherman's reminding everybody) that Goodell remembers that the Seahawks have already used their get out of jail free card, and would like nothing more than to send a message to Seattle about the legal system.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:send a message to Seattle about the legal system.


    Seriously? That's a ridiculous statement. Now Goodell dislikes Seattle because Sherm won an appeal?

    You're trying to enjoy this Lynch thing too much. Guy got busted, he'll pay a fancy lawyer to plead it down or win on a technicality. Might be suspended, might not but don't think for a second that Goodell's sitting back in his big evil chair sipping brandy and waiting for the moment to pounce on Seattle.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    BlueTalon wrote:What I remember about it was that he blew exactly .80 at the scene, and then blew over 8.0 at the station. According to his attorney, that means his BAC was trending up as his body metabolized the alcohol, which means his BAC was under .80 when he was driving. And that this argument has been successfully used in California to defeat a DUI charge.

    My guess is he'll plead down to reckless driving.


    That's not the sequence of events as described in the articles I posted on the precious page.

    It has also been reported that if he pleads guilty to anything that he will be suspended for 2 games. It has also been reported that Goodell doesn't need Lynch to be found guilty of anything in order for him to still decide to suspend Lynch

    And unfortutely for Lynch I am sure (thanks to Sherman's reminding everybody) that Goodell remembers that the Seahawks have already used their get out of jail free card, and would like nothing more than to send a message to Seattle about the legal system.


    Even if he's suspended the first four games, we'll still beat you at home so it's not as big of a worry as you make it out to be. Plus, as pointed out by others, that will just save some wear and tear which may help in the long run. Thanks for monitoring the situation though.
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  • E.C. Laloosh wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:send a message to Seattle about the legal system.


    Seriously? That's a ridiculous statement. Now Goodell dislikes Seattle because Sherm won an appeal?

    You're trying to enjoy this Lynch thing too much. Guy got busted, he'll pay a fancy lawyer to plead it down or win on a technicality. Might be suspended, might not but don't think for a second that Goodell's sitting back in his big evil chair sipping brandy and waiting for the moment to pounce on Seattle.


    Not saying that Goodell has been sitting and waiting for the opportunity to get back at Seattle. You either don't pay attention to how Goodell operates or you are just kidding yourself that Goodell won't suspend him even if he gets off on a technicality with the cops. Like it has been reported, a conviction just makes it automatic, but that Goodell is likely to suspend him regardless.
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  • FortWorthSeahawk wrote:
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    BlueTalon wrote:What I remember about it was that he blew exactly .80 at the scene, and then blew over 8.0 at the station. According to his attorney, that means his BAC was trending up as his body metabolized the alcohol, which means his BAC was under .80 when he was driving. And that this argument has been successfully used in California to defeat a DUI charge.

    My guess is he'll plead down to reckless driving.


    That's not the sequence of events as described in the articles I posted on the precious page.

    It has also been reported that if he pleads guilty to anything that he will be suspended for 2 games. It has also been reported that Goodell doesn't need Lynch to be found guilty of anything in order for him to still decide to suspend Lynch

    And unfortutely for Lynch I am sure (thanks to Sherman's reminding everybody) that Goodell remembers that the Seahawks have already used their get out of jail free card, and would like nothing more than to send a message to Seattle about the legal system.


    Even if he's suspended the first four games, we'll still beat you at home so it's not as big of a worry as you make it out to be. Plus, as pointed out by others, that will just save some wear and tear which may help in the long run. Thanks for monitoring the situation though.


    I could give a crap if you guys beat us in Seattle if it meant that you would start off 1-3. And don't fool yourself into thinking that you would have an easy victory over ANYBODY without Lynch.

    There are 14 other games that are played that don't have us lining up across each other.

    I'll take 3-1 over 1-3 any season.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    E.C. Laloosh wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:send a message to Seattle about the legal system.


    Seriously? That's a ridiculous statement. Now Goodell dislikes Seattle because Sherm won an appeal?

    You're trying to enjoy this Lynch thing too much. Guy got busted, he'll pay a fancy lawyer to plead it down or win on a technicality. Might be suspended, might not but don't think for a second that Goodell's sitting back in his big evil chair sipping brandy and waiting for the moment to pounce on Seattle.


    Not saying that Goodell has been sitting and waiting for the opportunity to get back at Seattle. You either don't pay attention to how Goodell operates or you are just kidding yourself that Goodell won't suspend him even if he gets off on a technicality with the cops. Like it has been reported, a conviction just makes it automatic, but that Goodell is likely to suspend him regardless.


    Then you should have said that instead of:

    And unfortutely for Lynch I am sure (thanks to Sherman's reminding everybody) that Goodell remembers that the Seahawks have already used their get out of jail free card, and would like nothing more than to send a message to Seattle about the legal system.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:I could give a crap if you guys beat us in Seattle if it meant that you would start off 1-3. And don't fool yourself into thinking that you would have an easy victory over ANYBODY without Lynch.

    There are 14 other games that are played that don't have us lining up across each other.

    I'll take 3-1 over 1-3 any season.


    Getting a little ahead of yourself but thanks for clarifying what your interest in this discussion is. Next man up, move on. Games to play, teams to prepare for. We drafted two running backs that run like Lynch. Even if they're not as effective, they can carry the ball north and south and we have plenty of other weapons to complement the running game.
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  • Wouldn't it be funny as hell if my miners and the hawks are 3rd and 4th in the division. Then all of this is pointless lol.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    BlueTalon wrote:What I remember about it was that he blew exactly .80 at the scene, and then blew over 8.0 at the station. According to his attorney, that means his BAC was trending up as his body metabolized the alcohol, which means his BAC was under .80 when he was driving. And that this argument has been successfully used in California to defeat a DUI charge.

    My guess is he'll plead down to reckless driving.

    That's not the sequence of events as described in the articles I posted on the precious page.

    Oh, well then that settles it. If it appeared in a newspaper, it must be true. They never get anything wrong.

    NinerLifer wrote:It has also been reported that if he pleads guilty to anything that he will be suspended for 2 games. It has also been reported that Goodell doesn't need Lynch to be found guilty of anything in order for him to still decide to suspend Lynch

    And unfortutely for Lynch I am sure (thanks to Sherman's reminding everybody) that Goodell remembers that the Seahawks have already used their get out of jail free card, and would like nothing more than to send a message to Seattle about the legal system.

    I smell hope mixed with fear.
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  • LMAO, I"I smell hope mixed with fear" I love that quote. Can I have it?
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  • Well... I don't have a copyright on it, but a little attribution would be nice. :229031_cheers:
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  • Giedi wrote:
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    Giedi wrote:Michael will be a pretty good back from the videos the members here posted. I fully expect him to be productive from the start. It's in pass protection that new backs have problems in. 49ers have a decent pass rush, and that can be a problem on third and longs. Marshawn was a big key to winning that 49er v. seahawk game last year. He pretty much ran over the left side of the 49ers defensive line. RJF still has the cleatmarks on his back to show for it. I daresay if Michael is in the game on third and longs, I can see the 49ers doing a lot more blitzing than usual.


    If Michael starts, no guarantee there as Turbin holds the #2 spot atm, then your DC will have to come up with a better answer for Percy Harvin (and Russell Wilson at home) then he showed capable of last year, before he succeeds with heavy blitzing in the Clink. The reason Lynch ran over your team is we had a lead and kept riding him, like we quite often did when we had 2-5 score leads last year. Your secondary is the weakest link of your defense, pass rush is only half the answer if you can't set the tone with your secondary, especially with Wilson's out of pocket agility.

    Seattle has an outstanding offense when its on the field. Key is - when it's on the field. Ball control teams like the 49ers do give outstading offenses problems simply because they can't get back on the field. A ball control power running attack will tend to do that. Atlanta game is an example. Laofa and I had a lengthy discussion about how to win away games, and it boils down to defense.

    The Seattle offense and the 49er offense do look the same. It's a long 16 game season, and again the Michael pick is an exciting pick for the Seahawk franchise. I think he can be heir apparent to Lynch when he decides to hang it up. Pete learned a lot from Seifert when he was with the 49er organization. Thats why I think both offenses are so similar and pretty much top of the line, with both QB's pretty much setting the standards for future NFL QBing for the next few years. With both offenses so even, I think its defense where the games between the two teams will turn. At this point the Seattle defense has more question marks than the 49er defense.


    We were a ball control offense. I have a suspicion you shouldn't count on the Hawks rushing more then anyone else in the league this particular year. Obviously, we won't abandon power running, but we certainly have a dynamic receiver now, instead of relying solely on Russell Wilson's ability to extend plays waiting for receivers to beat single coverage whilst stacking the box. In the past, our QB and WR combinations hardly struck fear into a defense. Those days are over.

    Because your defense has handled Avril and Bennett in the past means your fans can assume it will continue to do so. Handling them on teams with two of the leakiest secondaries in the league is not the same thing as handling them when your quarterback is going to have problems with one of the best. Until you indeed do shut them down personally as role players on a top scoring defense with a top secondary, it's as much speculation as assuming Micheal can step in for Lynch immediately with zero production dropoff.
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  • rlkats wrote:Wouldn't it be funny as hell if my miners and the hawks are 3rd and 4th in the division. Then all of this is pointless lol.


    If the Rams and Cards both had miracle seasons and each of us ended up sitting in the 3rd and 4th spots by seasons end, we should all agree now that we gather up back here in a thread "Come here to laugh at ourselves" and look back at how rediculous we all were for thinking the contrary.

    And mention over and over again how lucky they both were as well! :th2thumbs:
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
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    Lady Talon wrote:We were a ball control offense. I have a suspicion you shouldn't count on the Hawks rushing more then anyone else in the league this particular year. Obviously, we won't abandon power running, but we certainly have a dynamic receiver now, instead of relying solely on Russell Wilson's ability to extend plays waiting for receivers to beat single coverage whilst stacking the box. In the past, our QB and WR combinations hardly struck fear into a defense. Those days are over.

    Because your defense has handled Avril and Bennett in the past means your fans can assume it will continue to do so. Handling them on teams with two of the leakiest secondaries in the league is not the same thing as handling them when your quarterback is going to have problems with one of the best. Until you indeed do shut them down personally as role players on a top scoring defense with a top secondary, it's as much speculation as assuming Micheal can step in for Lynch immediately with zero production dropoff.

    I think you will be a good offense, as good as the 49ers are. Wilson and the pistol concepts will make that happen. What makes the pistol work (aside from a fine passing QB) is a great run game. You guys have that with Lynch, and like I said, I like the Michael pick - he's going to be a beast this year. We don't have an O Line issue, but you may have, but in both games against the 49ers - your O Lines basically played very solid. You not taking O Linemen till the 7th says you are very confident of your O Line players.

    Now on defense, of course everything is speculation. The 'Hawks generally play a bend but don't break defense, and that doesn't require as physically talented a crew as disruptive turnover focused defenses are. In the red zone, Kam is a linebacker and Pete uses the back end of the endzone as an additional DB and begins to blitz when teams get into the redzone. I can see this working with Avril and Bennet - who I see as more one dimensional pass rushers than balanced players. Again, just an opinion. Avirl and Bennet with Kam as the 8th man on that red zone front 7 strengthens that run defense in the red zone. Very tough to score on schematically if they play to their strengths.

    But again, with good defense, and good ball control. Assuming everything is equal, if the 49ers can't score TD's - fieldgoals may just do it. Of course, that was the winning formula in 2011 and the 49ers swept the Seahawks. Wilson changed that equasion in 2012, and the 49ers have to come up with something else to deal with Wilson, because it's no longer enough just to play good defense and ball control against the Seahawks, you have to score points.
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  • Well they have done more than us the past few seasons so they probably get the nod ahead of us as much as I hate saying that. We have to prove that we can stay good and not just be a one year wonder like the Lions a couple season ago.
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  • Blitzer88 wrote:Well they have done more than us the past few seasons so they probably get the nod ahead of us as much as I hate saying that. We have to prove that we can stay good and not just be a one year wonder like the Lions a couple season ago.


    Coincidentally the Lions season that you mention came to mind with your surprise season last year, and all the hype it is causing this offseason so far. Pretty much identical situation that then saw them plummet to mediocrity.

    Doubt it happens in your case...though with the addition of Avril you might have cursed yourselves. ;)
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Blitzer88 wrote:Well they have done more than us the past few seasons so they probably get the nod ahead of us as much as I hate saying that. We have to prove that we can stay good and not just be a one year wonder like the Lions a couple season ago.


    Coincidentally the Lions season that you mention came to mind with your surprise season last year, and all the hype it is causing this offseason so far. Pretty much identical situation that then saw them plummet to mediocrity.

    Doubt it happens in your case...though with the addition of Avril you might have cursed yourselves. ;)



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  • Yeah, I don't even see the link being made there. Variable A - strong season the surprises many nationally and Variable B - expectations raised because of previously strong season....

    so those two variables make this situation like Detroit's? What about San Fran's "surprise" season in 2011? What about their expectations heading into 2012? You're projecting out a lot based on the smallest of similarities. Do you warn all men with beards to stay away from the Romans?
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  • The two best teams in football are the Hawks and the Niners. Colin Cowherd thinks the Hawks are the best team in the NFL. But I like the Niners draft a lot.
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  • Giedi wrote:I think you will be a good offense, as good as the 49ers are. Wilson and the pistol concepts will make that happen. What makes the pistol work (aside from a fine passing QB) is a great run game. You guys have that with Lynch, and like I said, I like the Michael pick - he's going to be a beast this year. We don't have an O Line issue, but you may have, but in both games against the 49ers - your O Lines basically played very solid. You not taking O Linemen till the 7th says you are very confident of your O Line players.


    I think we'll be better than the 49ers on offense. Right now, today, Russell Wilson is a better passer than Colin Kaepernick, and reads defenses better. I think Lynch, today, is a better back than Gore, who has more wear on his tires. I like our backup RBs better than yours. I think we have a little more receiver depth than you do, but you can make the argument your starting receivers are better, especially if you're counting Vernon as a receiver.

    People would have to have incredibly high standards to say the Seahawks have issues on our offensive line. We don't have Iupati or 2005 Steve Hutchinson at guard.....but I don't think anyone would suggest that means we have issues. We have two Pro Bowl caliber guys at this point (Okung and Unger), and pretty solid starters with them. Not quite as good as the 49ers line, but certainly above league average.

    Giedi wrote:Now on defense, of course everything is speculation. The 'Hawks generally play a bend but don't break defense, and that doesn't require as physically talented a crew as disruptive turnover focused defenses are. In the red zone, Kam is a linebacker and Pete uses the back end of the endzone as an additional DB and begins to blitz when teams get into the redzone. I can see this working with Avril and Bennet - who I see as more one dimensional pass rushers than balanced players. Again, just an opinion. Avirl and Bennet with Kam as the 8th man on that red zone front 7 strengthens that run defense in the red zone. Very tough to score on schematically if they play to their strengths.

    But again, with good defense, and good ball control. Assuming everything is equal, if the 49ers can't score TD's - fieldgoals may just do it. Of course, that was the winning formula in 2011 and the 49ers swept the Seahawks. Wilson changed that equasion in 2012, and the 49ers have to come up with something else to deal with Wilson, because it's no longer enough just to play good defense and ball control against the Seahawks, you have to score points.


    Very high standards here if the Seahawks are a "bend but don't break defense". We gave up 13 yards a game more on defense than you did, but two less points per game as well. We actually generated more turnovers on defense than you did (31 to 25). So I'd say we're at least as good as being a "disruptive turnover based defense", if not better, than the 49ers. For as much as Seahawk fans complain about our lack of sacks, you guys only had two more than we did (38 to 36).

    Perhaps we don't "bend" as much as you think? 8)
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  • pinksheets wrote:Yeah, I don't even see the link being made there. Variable A - strong season the surprises many nationally and Variable B - expectations raised because of previously strong season....

    so those two variables make this situation like Detroit's? What about San Fran's "surprise" season in 2011? What about their expectations heading into 2012? You're projecting out a lot based on the smallest of similarities. Do you warn all men with beards to stay away from the Romans?


    As a matter of fact I wasn't certain that the Niners 2011 season wouldn't go down as a fluke as well, until they followed it up one better in 2012 in order to prove they are legit.
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  • It wouldn't strike me oddly at all if the Niners were regarded as more likely to make the SB than the Hawks, they are that solid and have followed up solid season with even more of a solid season. It's a close race, but we haven't proven we can do it 2 years in a row like they have, no matter how much I feel that the Hawks will do just that.

    That said, the idea of the Hawks D as bend but don't break is laughable. The 05 Hawk D was bend but don't break. This Hawk D is shut your best receivers down and stop your run game. The only mark against the Hawk D that I'll take as legit is that they had terrible breakdowns in the 4th quarter last year on critical possessions, something I attribute to lack of pass rush at those critical times. Hopefully we'll see that this has been addressed, time will tell.
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  • Giedi wrote:I think you will be a good offense, as good as the 49ers are. Wilson and the pistol concepts will make that happen. What makes the pistol work (aside from a fine passing QB) is a great run game. You guys have that with Lynch, and like I said, I like the Michael pick - he's going to be a beast this year. We don't have an O Line issue, but you may have, but in both games against the 49ers - your O Lines basically played very solid. You not taking O Linemen till the 7th says you are very confident of your O Line players.

    Now on defense, of course everything is speculation. The 'Hawks generally play a bend but don't break defense, and that doesn't require as physically talented a crew as disruptive turnover focused defenses are. In the red zone, Kam is a linebacker and Pete uses the back end of the endzone as an additional DB and begins to blitz when teams get into the redzone. I can see this working with Avril and Bennet - who I see as more one dimensional pass rushers than balanced players. Again, just an opinion. Avirl and Bennet with Kam as the 8th man on that red zone front 7 strengthens that run defense in the red zone. Very tough to score on schematically if they play to their strengths.

    But again, with good defense, and good ball control. Assuming everything is equal, if the 49ers can't score TD's - fieldgoals may just do it. Of course, that was the winning formula in 2011 and the 49ers swept the Seahawks. Wilson changed that equasion in 2012, and the 49ers have to come up with something else to deal with Wilson, because it's no longer enough just to play good defense and ball control against the Seahawks, you have to score points.


    I don't agree with you on the bend but don't break style. Not for the Hawks. Our losses were all 4th quarter road meltdowns. Either playing soft zone or being weak to quick downhill running RBs or just not having the personell available to put up a credible pass rush. None of those reasons save the soft zone were part of a plan. Much of it in my opinion had to do with predictable defensive sub packages as well as the inability of our DC to get it those weaknesses solved on the fly. As others have pointed out, as far as sacks and turnovers, as well as yardage given up, we weren't all that far removed from SF's defense statistically.

    I do think we have a fairly average O-line. Our skill players allow us to get away with it to a degree. RW is one of the most elusive QBs I've seen and makes up for some O-line mistakes. Lynch loves contact and isn't adverse to dragging an 8 man box for 5 yards a rush. Rice, Tate, Miller, etc finally got with the program and figured out how to bail a good thrower out of trouble. Now we have Percy Harvin, who will require another man to spy on him. Between needing to spy Lynch, Wilson, and Harvin, it puts far more pressure on the remaining 8 men to deal with their responsibilities then it does on our O-line.

    I would venture to say SF's offense isn't as much ball control anymore as you would think. With Alex Smith yes, with CK, no. Harbaugh went for the big play/quick scores (and a lot of 9er fans were relieved to see that) and left his D on the field more often with CK. Couple that with a defense that rarely subs and it really got your D burned points wise in more games then just the Seattle loss. New England for one, NFC Championship and the Superbowl as well.

    I would guess you'll use your draft picks to sub in this year, but expecting dominance from young DL at least as much of a question mark if not more of one then Avril or Bennett completely dominating.
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  • camdawg wrote:
    Giedi wrote:I think you will be a good offense, as good as the 49ers are. Wilson and the pistol concepts will make that happen. What makes the pistol work (aside from a fine passing QB) is a great run game. You guys have that with Lynch, and like I said, I like the Michael pick - he's going to be a beast this year. We don't have an O Line issue, but you may have, but in both games against the 49ers - your O Lines basically played very solid. You not taking O Linemen till the 7th says you are very confident of your O Line players.


    I think we'll be better than the 49ers on offense. Right now, today, Russell Wilson is a better passer than Colin Kaepernick, and reads defenses better. I think Lynch, today, is a better back than Gore, who has more wear on his tires. I like our backup RBs better than yours. I think we have a little more receiver depth than you do, but you can make the argument your starting receivers are better, especially if you're counting Vernon as a receiver.

    People would have to have incredibly high standards to say the Seahawks have issues on our offensive line. We don't have Iupati or 2005 Steve Hutchinson at guard.....but I don't think anyone would suggest that means we have issues. We have two Pro Bowl caliber guys at this point (Okung and Unger), and pretty solid starters with them. Not quite as good as the 49ers line, but certainly above league average.

    Giedi wrote:Now on defense, of course everything is speculation. The 'Hawks generally play a bend but don't break defense, and that doesn't require as physically talented a crew as disruptive turnover focused defenses are. In the red zone, Kam is a linebacker and Pete uses the back end of the endzone as an additional DB and begins to blitz when teams get into the redzone. I can see this working with Avril and Bennet - who I see as more one dimensional pass rushers than balanced players. Again, just an opinion. Avirl and Bennet with Kam as the 8th man on that red zone front 7 strengthens that run defense in the red zone. Very tough to score on schematically if they play to their strengths.

    But again, with good defense, and good ball control. Assuming everything is equal, if the 49ers can't score TD's - fieldgoals may just do it. Of course, that was the winning formula in 2011 and the 49ers swept the Seahawks. Wilson changed that equasion in 2012, and the 49ers have to come up with something else to deal with Wilson, because it's no longer enough just to play good defense and ball control against the Seahawks, you have to score points.


    Very high standards here if the Seahawks are a "bend but don't break defense". We gave up 13 yards a game more on defense than you did, but two less points per game as well. We actually generated more turnovers on defense than you did (31 to 25). So I'd say we're at least as good as being a "disruptive turnover based defense", if not better, than the 49ers. For as much as Seahawk fans complain about our lack of sacks, you guys only had two more than we did (38 to 36).

    Perhaps we don't "bend" as much as you think? 8)


    Against Atlanta - both offenses scored 28, but the 49er defense was still better than the 'Hawks by 6 points, and keep in mind *both* Justin and Aldon were hurt, and the starters played about 90% of the snaps throughout the year. Clemons was hurt too, but other than Clemons, I don't recall any other significant 'Hawk injuries. Defense clearly is the issue for the 'Hawks, however I don't think you adequately addressed it in the offseason. Again, just my opinion.

    Here are the facts. Your draft consisted of 27 % picks in the first four rounds (3 out of 11), the 49er draft consisted of 54% of the picks in the first four rounds (6 out of 11). You traded your first round pick on a top of the line WR, the 49ers used a 6th round pick. First 4 rounds the 49ers used 3 picks for offense and defense. Seattle used only one pick on defense and two on offense (first four rounds). On balance the draft - if you just weigh the draft positions by rounds (regardless of need or talent), the 49er draft was better than the 'Hawk draft from a defensive perspective.

    Bend but don't break vs. Disruptive defenses. Both can win superbowls. Classic case of a bend but don't break (I think) was the Pittsburg Steel curtain, rarely blitzed just lined up in a 4-3 and killed offense. Disruptive defenses would be the likes of the 3-4 Raider defenses of old, with *the Mad Stork,* Alzado, and Howie. They won 3 superbowls with that kind of defense. I read Pete as a more read and react guy and it makes sense, he's a very conservative defensive coach. I could be wrong however, since he hasn't coached in SF for a while.
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  • Giedi wrote:Against Atlanta - both offenses scored 28, but the 49er defense was still better than the 'Hawks by 6 points, and keep in mind *both* Justin and Aldon were hurt, and the starters played about 90% of the snaps throughout the year. Clemons was hurt too, but other than Clemons, I don't recall any other significant 'Hawk injuries. Defense clearly is the issue for the 'Hawks, however I don't think you adequately addressed it in the offseason. Again, just my opinion.


    Jones had been on IR since 12/28. Red was dealing through a plantar fascia injury. So we had to take a situational rookie DE and plant him in Clemons spot and expect him to anchor the run (a weakness for Irvin all season) with nobody to relieve him AND Red but a player that hadn't played a NFL football down in 5 years and whose name rhymes with Chupacabra. Now, I like Irvin, but he isn't a world beater, and rookie Dlineman take quite awhile to get used to regular season games much less get thrown out of position and expected to hold 3 downs against a good O line in a Divisional playoff game.

    Small wonder it didn't work? If anything, gambling that Clemons wouldn't get hurt and not adequately addressing depth was more the problem with the defense in that loss. We did address that in the offseason with Avril and Bennett. Whether or not they'll be world beaters remains to be seen.

    As for the 6 points, lol. Seattle was the only west Coast playoff team to visit an east coast stadium with a 1 pm ET kickoff time. There's just no excuse for that in the playoffs, IMO. Out of three regular season 1PM ET starts the 9ers endured in 2012, their only win was at the Jets.

    Despite all that, 28 seconds and 2 points short of a road playoff win after being down 27-7 in the 3rd quarter is hardly anything to be ashamed of, considering our dline issues.
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  • Giedi wrote:
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    Giedi wrote:I think you will be a good offense, as good as the 49ers are. Wilson and the pistol concepts will make that happen. What makes the pistol work (aside from a fine passing QB) is a great run game. You guys have that with Lynch, and like I said, I like the Michael pick - he's going to be a beast this year. We don't have an O Line issue, but you may have, but in both games against the 49ers - your O Lines basically played very solid. You not taking O Linemen till the 7th says you are very confident of your O Line players.


    I think we'll be better than the 49ers on offense. Right now, today, Russell Wilson is a better passer than Colin Kaepernick, and reads defenses better. I think Lynch, today, is a better back than Gore, who has more wear on his tires. I like our backup RBs better than yours. I think we have a little more receiver depth than you do, but you can make the argument your starting receivers are better, especially if you're counting Vernon as a receiver.

    People would have to have incredibly high standards to say the Seahawks have issues on our offensive line. We don't have Iupati or 2005 Steve Hutchinson at guard.....but I don't think anyone would suggest that means we have issues. We have two Pro Bowl caliber guys at this point (Okung and Unger), and pretty solid starters with them. Not quite as good as the 49ers line, but certainly above league average.

    Giedi wrote:Now on defense, of course everything is speculation. The 'Hawks generally play a bend but don't break defense, and that doesn't require as physically talented a crew as disruptive turnover focused defenses are. In the red zone, Kam is a linebacker and Pete uses the back end of the endzone as an additional DB and begins to blitz when teams get into the redzone. I can see this working with Avril and Bennet - who I see as more one dimensional pass rushers than balanced players. Again, just an opinion. Avirl and Bennet with Kam as the 8th man on that red zone front 7 strengthens that run defense in the red zone. Very tough to score on schematically if they play to their strengths.

    But again, with good defense, and good ball control. Assuming everything is equal, if the 49ers can't score TD's - fieldgoals may just do it. Of course, that was the winning formula in 2011 and the 49ers swept the Seahawks. Wilson changed that equasion in 2012, and the 49ers have to come up with something else to deal with Wilson, because it's no longer enough just to play good defense and ball control against the Seahawks, you have to score points.


    Very high standards here if the Seahawks are a "bend but don't break defense". We gave up 13 yards a game more on defense than you did, but two less points per game as well. We actually generated more turnovers on defense than you did (31 to 25). So I'd say we're at least as good as being a "disruptive turnover based defense", if not better, than the 49ers. For as much as Seahawk fans complain about our lack of sacks, you guys only had two more than we did (38 to 36).

    Perhaps we don't "bend" as much as you think? 8)


    Against Atlanta - both offenses scored 28, but the 49er defense was still better than the 'Hawks by 6 points, and keep in mind *both* Justin and Aldon were hurt, and the starters played about 90% of the snaps throughout the year. Clemons was hurt too, but other than Clemons, I don't recall any other significant 'Hawk injuries. Defense clearly is the issue for the 'Hawks, however I don't think you adequately addressed it in the offseason. Again, just my opinion.

    Here are the facts. Your draft consisted of 27 % picks in the first four rounds (3 out of 11), the 49er draft consisted of 54% of the picks in the first four rounds (6 out of 11). You traded your first round pick on a top of the line WR, the 49ers used a 6th round pick. First 4 rounds the 49ers used 3 picks for offense and defense. Seattle used only one pick on defense and two on offense (first four rounds). On balance the draft - if you just weigh the draft positions by rounds (regardless of need or talent), the 49er draft was better than the 'Hawk draft from a defensive perspective.

    Bend but don't break vs. Disruptive defenses. Both can win superbowls. Classic case of a bend but don't break (I think) was the Pittsburg Steel curtain, rarely blitzed just lined up in a 4-3 and killed offense. Disruptive defenses would be the likes of the 3-4 Raider defenses of old, with *the Mad Stork,* Alzado, and Howie. They won 3 superbowls with that kind of defense. I read Pete as a more read and react guy and it makes sense, he's a very conservative defensive coach. I could be wrong however, since he hasn't coached in SF for a while.

    I am with HawksFTW in that I have serious doubts about you actually watching football given the above post.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:I am with HawksFTW in that I have serious doubts about you actually watching football given the above post.

    That's fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions. You know the saying, Opinions are like arm pitts. Everybody has them, and they all stink.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:I am with HawksFTW in that I have serious doubts about you actually watching football given the above post.

    That's fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions. You know the saying, Opinions are like arm pitts. Everybody has them, and they all stink.

    Good that you're not offended but I said what I said because the 70's-early 80's Pittsburgh defense was the antithesis of bend/don't break. Like the current NY Giants their scheme is built on pressure from their front 7 what made Pittsburgh stellar is not only did they have a superior front 7 but a secondary as good as the LOB. Pete believes in a shutdown secondary consisting of long rangy CB's combined with LB's with wicked speed and multiple edge rushers built on speed. Very similar to Pittsburgh but with the emphasis on the secondary rather than the front 7. In otherwords Seattle's scheme is about as far from bend/don't break as Kansas is in opposite direction.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
    Giedi wrote:Against Atlanta - both offenses scored 28, but the 49er defense was still better than the 'Hawks by 6 points, and keep in mind *both* Justin and Aldon were hurt, and the starters played about 90% of the snaps throughout the year. Clemons was hurt too, but other than Clemons, I don't recall any other significant 'Hawk injuries. Defense clearly is the issue for the 'Hawks, however I don't think you adequately addressed it in the offseason. Again, just my opinion.


    Jones had been on IR since 12/28. Red was dealing through a plantar fascia injury. So we had to take a situational rookie DE and plant him in Clemons spot and expect him to anchor the run (a weakness for Irvin all season) with nobody to relieve him AND Red but a player that hadn't played a NFL football down in 5 years and whose name rhymes with Chupacabra. Now, I like Irvin, but he isn't a world beater, and rookie Dlineman take quite awhile to get used to regular season games much less get thrown out of position and expected to hold 3 downs against a good O line in a Divisional playoff game.

    Small wonder it didn't work? If anything, gambling that Clemons wouldn't get hurt and not adequately addressing depth was more the problem with the defense in that loss. We did address that in the offseason with Avril and Bennett. Whether or not they'll be world beaters remains to be seen.

    As for the 6 points, lol. Seattle was the only west Coast playoff team to visit an east coast stadium with a 1 pm ET kickoff time. There's just no excuse for that in the playoffs, IMO. Out of three regular season 1PM ET starts the 9ers endured in 2012, their only win was at the Jets.

    Despite all that, 28 seconds and 2 points short of a road playoff win after being down 27-7 in the 3rd quarter is hardly anything to be ashamed of, considering our dline issues.


    Jones and Red seem to have durability problems, from your info above. If 'Hawks are going to be a championship team, they have to have championship depth. The 49ers, back in their heyday had Hall of Fame players backing up hall of fame players. Of course, that's drastically changed with the Salary cap. But take the NY Giants, they won the superbowl because they had sufficient depth to get through the rough spots during the season, and weather the storm. When their stars came back - it was just in time for a superbowl run. I think it's the same with Baltimore. They suffered losses to Ray Lewis and I believe Ed Reed and still were able to make the playoffs and make a superbowl run. I just don't think this years draft added much to your defensive depth.

    As for regional time zone differences, if the effect is 2.5% - in a 70 play game that's a difference of 1.75 plays. If your team can't overcome one or two good plays by the opposing home team, you don't deserve to be in the Playoffs or Superbowl. Laofo and I had an extensive discussion on this and that's why defense is so important in playoff or big game scenarios with regional time zone differences.
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    KCHawkGirl wrote:I am with HawksFTW in that I have serious doubts about you actually watching football given the above post.

    That's fine, everybody is entitled to their opinions. You know the saying, Opinions are like arm pitts. Everybody has them, and they all stink.

    Good that you're not offended but I said what I said because the 70's-early 80's Pittsburgh defense was the antithesis of bend/don't break. Like the current NY Giants their scheme is built on pressure from their front 7 what made Pittsburgh stellar is not only did they have a superior front 7 but a secondary as good as the LOB. Pete believes in a shutdown secondary consisting of long rangy CB's combined with LB's with wicked speed and multiple edge rushers built on speed. Very similar to those Pittsburgh but with the emphasis on the secondary rather than the front 7.


    Again, bend but don't break defenses are used when you dont' have defensive talent to go toe to toe with an offense between the 20's.

    As for the Giants. The Old Giants Parcells defense is a yardage defense. Meaning they will stifle your offense yardage-wise. Carl Banks, Lenard Marshall and Lawrence taylor, to name a few were very disruptive players and disrupted offenses. Those were athletic freaks, like Howie Long, that just by their athletic ability will disrupt an offense. However, the Giants defense philosophically was to try stifle your offense (at least the ones run by Bill Parcells) with solid mistake free team defense. They had big guys in the front and outside guys that could pass rush, and DB's that could cover. It was a stifling defense, never made any mistakes, and never needed to blitz. Same with the Steeler Defense, they had only like four defensive formation calls and nobody could beat them despite knowing exactly which defense was bieng called.

    Disruptive defenses like the Raider defenses of old used gap penetration schemes to achieve their ends, which is to get into the backfield and destory blocking schemes or take out the QB. Old raider defenses had the primary purpose of taking away the football from the opposing offense. Whereas Steeler and Giant's defense of old were very solid, physically imposing, and simply stronger than almost all offenses - didn't gap penetrate and simply held their ground and didn't let you move or go anywhere.

    Good solid front 7 play is a must in any defense. Be it the Tampa 2, Wide 9, Eagle 5-2, or 46. That goes without saying. No, my main point is that when Pete was with the 49ers they rarely blitzed, and I can see in the games last year and the year before, he still runs a cautious defense.
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  • True he doesn't blitz because he'd rather stop you at the jump like Pittsburgh of old and no that isn't the definition of bend/don't break hence I question your knowledge or more exactly if you know the definition or meaning of the terminology you're throwing around. Because I think you're meaning something else than you think you do.

    Pete does the opposite of bend/don't break. He wants to stone you on defense while shortening the game by running not play some game of field position hockey. He wants short fields to build up a big lead and proceed to play keepaway via running. That style demands an aggressive in your face defense not reckless like Arizona or St. Louis for example.
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  • Giedi wrote:You know the saying, Opinions are like arm pitts. Everybody has them, and they all stink.

    Some worse than others.
    49ers webzone: Win or lose, i hope you injure Sherman. Like a serious career ending injury. I don't want him to get paid.
    49ers webzone: noise should not be the overwhelming reason a team is favored. they need to spray noise-damping foam onto the ceiling of that place.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:True he doesn't blitz because he'd rather stop you at the jump like Pittsburgh of old and no that isn't the definition of bend/don't break hence I question your knowledge or more exactly if you know the definition or meaning of the terminology you're throwing around. Because I think you're meaning something else than you think you do.

    Pete does the opposite of bend/don't break. He wants to stone you on defense while shortening the game by running not play some game of field position hockey. He wants short fields to build up a big lead and proceed to play keepaway via running. That style demands an aggressive in your face defense not reckless like Arizona or St. Louis for example.

    That's my point. He doesn't blitz. LeBeau is what I mean when you say *aggressive* defense. LeBeau's schemes are calculated defensive calls that aren't sit back and wait for the offense to do something and react to it. Pete's offense, (I take it from your post - since I dont' watch a lot of Seattle games) he's a 4-3 guy, not a 3-4 guy? And he doesn't do a lot of movement and shifting on the defensive side? He lines up in the 4-3 and plays it pretty straight and beats you with solid mistake free team defense like the Parcells and Noll defenses of old?
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    Giedi wrote:You know the saying, Opinions are like arm pitts. Everybody has them, and they all stink.

    Some worse than others.

    Well, KCH is doing the best she can I'm sure. Everybody has their bad days... :mrgreen:
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  • Giedi wrote:No, my main point is that when Pete was with the 49ers they rarely blitzed, and I can see in the games last year and the year before, he still runs a cautious defense.

    You go ahead and keep thinking that.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:True he doesn't blitz because he'd rather stop you at the jump like Pittsburgh of old and no that isn't the definition of bend/don't break hence I question your knowledge or more exactly if you know the definition or meaning of the terminology you're throwing around. Because I think you're meaning something else than you think you do.

    Pete does the opposite of bend/don't break. He wants to stone you on defense while shortening the game by running not play some game of field position hockey. He wants short fields to build up a big lead and proceed to play keepaway via running. That style demands an aggressive in your face defense not reckless like Arizona or St. Louis for example.

    That's my point. He doesn't blitz. LeBeau is what I mean when you say *aggressive* defense. LeBeau's schemes are calculated defensive calls that aren't sit back and wait for the offense to do something and react to it. Pete's offense, (I take it from your post - since I dont' watch a lot of Seattle games) he's a 4-3 guy, not a 3-4 guy? And he doesn't do a lot of movement and shifting on the defensive side? He lines up in the 4-3 and plays it pretty straight and beats you with solid mistake free team defense like the Parcells and Noll defenses of old?
    I see the problem we're using the terminology differently. Pete uses what's called a 4-3 under with a single high safety as the base but really, it shifts often and presents as 4-3 or 3-4 as the situation dictates. I am not technical so I'm explaining this horribly, but he's by no means is he running his defense conservative or just base as you're defining it.

    He blitzes plenty but what he's trying to do is achieve pressure/turnovers by shutting off the run and baiting you to pass long without the constant blitzes It's almost like an aggressive Tampa 2 , tempt you to pass but with press coverage and quick pressure from the edge while collapsing the pocket up the middle hence Jesse Williams and the guy from Tampa via FA.

    It's the dink and dunk that kills us because it's quick hitting. Hence the Winfield signing both to stop the up the middle running and the quick slant.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:
    Giedi wrote:Against Atlanta - both offenses scored 28, but the 49er defense was still better than the 'Hawks by 6 points, and keep in mind *both* Justin and Aldon were hurt, and the starters played about 90% of the snaps throughout the year. Clemons was hurt too, but other than Clemons, I don't recall any other significant 'Hawk injuries. Defense clearly is the issue for the 'Hawks, however I don't think you adequately addressed it in the offseason. Again, just my opinion.


    Jones had been on IR since 12/28. Red was dealing through a plantar fascia injury. So we had to take a situational rookie DE and plant him in Clemons spot and expect him to anchor the run (a weakness for Irvin all season) with nobody to relieve him AND Red but a player that hadn't played a NFL football down in 5 years and whose name rhymes with Chupacabra. Now, I like Irvin, but he isn't a world beater, and rookie Dlineman take quite awhile to get used to regular season games much less get thrown out of position and expected to hold 3 downs against a good O line in a Divisional playoff game.

    Small wonder it didn't work? If anything, gambling that Clemons wouldn't get hurt and not adequately addressing depth was more the problem with the defense in that loss. We did address that in the offseason with Avril and Bennett. Whether or not they'll be world beaters remains to be seen.

    As for the 6 points, lol. Seattle was the only west Coast playoff team to visit an east coast stadium with a 1 pm ET kickoff time. There's just no excuse for that in the playoffs, IMO. Out of three regular season 1PM ET starts the 9ers endured in 2012, their only win was at the Jets.

    Despite all that, 28 seconds and 2 points short of a road playoff win after being down 27-7 in the 3rd quarter is hardly anything to be ashamed of, considering our dline issues.


    Jones and Red seem to have durability problems, from your info above. If 'Hawks are going to be a championship team, they have to have championship depth. The 49ers, back in their heyday had Hall of Fame players backing up hall of fame players. Of course, that's drastically changed with the Salary cap. But take the NY Giants, they won the superbowl because they had sufficient depth to get through the rough spots during the season, and weather the storm. When their stars came back - it was just in time for a superbowl run. I think it's the same with Baltimore. They suffered losses to Ray Lewis and I believe Ed Reed and still were able to make the playoffs and make a superbowl run. I just don't think this years draft added much to your defensive depth.

    As for regional time zone differences, if the effect is 2.5% - in a 70 play game that's a difference of 1.75 plays. If your team can't overcome one or two good plays by the opposing home team, you don't deserve to be in the Playoffs or Superbowl. Laofo and I had an extensive discussion on this and that's why defense is so important in playoff or big game scenarios with regional time zone differences.


    lol I didn't say WE DESERVED. I said we did pretty good minus our best outside and interior pass rushers, starting a rookie and an unknown DE and expecting a pass rush out of necessity, and playing a very competitive early game while allowing 6 points more then your vaunted SF defense did in a late game. Were the Vikings and the Rams such powerhouses that you couldn't overcome the 1 PM Eastern 2.5% (maybe) 2 play a game (maybe) effect of the time zone difference? Why does Goodell prevent East Coast teams from coming west more than two times a season for 2.5% with no thought to West Coast teams going East? I know which way I'd rather travel. Been there and done it.

    As for the Ravens, Ray Lewis was barely a difference maker on the field, before or after his absence. Nor did their defense depth step it up, their offense carried them (barely, thank the Steeler collapse) to the playoffs. Unless you are addicted to football, casual fans outside of Baltimore never even heard of Kruger and Ellerbe until after Lewis had returned. His impact wasn't as a best player, it was pure motivation.

    I don't even consider the Giants to have a great defense, they regularly get shellacked, yet know how to play on the road, or in the post season. Coughlin does a fine job with those guys. They go to another team, and most of them suck.
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