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  • And somewhere on a Niner board there are 150 pages of: "Are the Seahawks kinda getting the nod over us as SB favs..." Flavor of the day...that's all.

    Opinions are just that until proven as fact. We will have to wait a few months on that. One thing people ARE agreeing on though...that the Hawks and Niners are two of the current super powers in the NFL. But wait...ask a Rams fan what THEY think...
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  • BlueTalons wrote:And somewhere on a Niner board there are 150 pages of: "Are the Seahawks kinda getting the nod over us as SB favs..." Flavor of the day...that's all.

    Opinions are just that until proven as fact. We will have to wait a few months on that. One thing people ARE agreeing on though...that the Hawks and Niners are two of the current super powers in the NFL. But wait...ask a Rams fan what THEY think...


    LOL....and don't sleep on the Cardinals.

    I think we Niners and Seahawks fans can join in laughing at them and their MLB situation. LOL.
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  • firebee wrote:It revolves around players Bending their assignments to make plays, but not breaking assignment and letting opponents make bigger plays than they should've due to undisciplined play.


    Uh, is there a philosophy that DOESN'T revolve around that?
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
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    KCHawkGirl wrote:True he doesn't blitz because he'd rather stop you at the jump like Pittsburgh of old and no that isn't the definition of bend/don't break hence I question your knowledge or more exactly if you know the definition or meaning of the terminology you're throwing around. Because I think you're meaning something else than you think you do.

    Pete does the opposite of bend/don't break. He wants to stone you on defense while shortening the game by running not play some game of field position hockey. He wants short fields to build up a big lead and proceed to play keepaway via running. That style demands an aggressive in your face defense not reckless like Arizona or St. Louis for example.

    That's my point. He doesn't blitz. LeBeau is what I mean when you say *aggressive* defense. LeBeau's schemes are calculated defensive calls that aren't sit back and wait for the offense to do something and react to it. Pete's offense, (I take it from your post - since I dont' watch a lot of Seattle games) he's a 4-3 guy, not a 3-4 guy? And he doesn't do a lot of movement and shifting on the defensive side? He lines up in the 4-3 and plays it pretty straight and beats you with solid mistake free team defense like the Parcells and Noll defenses of old?
    I see the problem we're using the terminology differently. Pete uses what's called a 4-3 under with a single high safety as the base but really, it shifts often and presents as 4-3 or 3-4 as the situation dictates. I am not technical so I'm explaining this horribly, but he's by no means is he running his defense conservative or just base as you're defining it.

    He blitzes plenty but what he's trying to do is achieve pressure/turnovers by shutting off the run and baiting you to pass long without the constant blitzes It's almost like an aggressive Tampa 2 , tempt you to pass but with press coverage and quick pressure from the edge while collapsing the pocket up the middle hence Jesse Williams and the guy from Tampa via FA.

    It's the dink and dunk that kills us because it's quick hitting. Hence the Winfield signing both to stop the up the middle running and the quick slant.


    That's basically a Bill Parcells kind of defense. No constant blitzing like Lebeau. 4-3 unders really need a strong middle. I can see why Pete let Branch go to the Bills. Wagner looks like a keeper at ILB. Bennet has a question mark with that shoulder surgery. Mebane will be pushed by Willaims. So that middle is a little bit of a questionmark. Dink and dunk offenses have a easy time with read and react 4-3 unders because of the option routes. Zone bliting 3-4's give dink and dunk more problems because it cancels out the read option, but they are based on the 3-4 alignment, not the 4-3. I don't see Pete/Quinn going to a more aggressive 3-4 (like you said 4-3 unders look like 3-4 alignments that have shifted to the weakside) since I don't think that's in Quinn's or Pete's comfort level. When he was DC for the 49ers, Seifert/Carroll played a straight 4-3 with Bryant Young and Dana Subblefield, and it was read and react, not a blitzing gap penetrating kind of defense.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
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    Lady Talon wrote:Jones had been on IR since 12/28. Red was dealing through a plantar fascia injury. So we had to take a situational rookie DE and plant him in Clemons spot and expect him to anchor the run (a weakness for Irvin all season) with nobody to relieve him AND Red but a player that hadn't played a NFL football down in 5 years and whose name rhymes with Chupacabra. Now, I like Irvin, but he isn't a world beater, and rookie Dlineman take quite awhile to get used to regular season games much less get thrown out of position and expected to hold 3 downs against a good O line in a Divisional playoff game.

    Small wonder it didn't work? If anything, gambling that Clemons wouldn't get hurt and not adequately addressing depth was more the problem with the defense in that loss. We did address that in the offseason with Avril and Bennett. Whether or not they'll be world beaters remains to be seen.

    As for the 6 points, lol. Seattle was the only west Coast playoff team to visit an east coast stadium with a 1 pm ET kickoff time. There's just no excuse for that in the playoffs, IMO. Out of three regular season 1PM ET starts the 9ers endured in 2012, their only win was at the Jets.

    Despite all that, 28 seconds and 2 points short of a road playoff win after being down 27-7 in the 3rd quarter is hardly anything to be ashamed of, considering our dline issues.


    Jones and Red seem to have durability problems, from your info above. If 'Hawks are going to be a championship team, they have to have championship depth. The 49ers, back in their heyday had Hall of Fame players backing up hall of fame players. Of course, that's drastically changed with the Salary cap. But take the NY Giants, they won the superbowl because they had sufficient depth to get through the rough spots during the season, and weather the storm. When their stars came back - it was just in time for a superbowl run. I think it's the same with Baltimore. They suffered losses to Ray Lewis and I believe Ed Reed and still were able to make the playoffs and make a superbowl run. I just don't think this years draft added much to your defensive depth.

    As for regional time zone differences, if the effect is 2.5% - in a 70 play game that's a difference of 1.75 plays. If your team can't overcome one or two good plays by the opposing home team, you don't deserve to be in the Playoffs or Superbowl. Laofo and I had an extensive discussion on this and that's why defense is so important in playoff or big game scenarios with regional time zone differences.


    lol I didn't say WE DESERVED. I said we did pretty good minus our best outside and interior pass rushers, starting a rookie and an unknown DE and expecting a pass rush out of necessity, and playing a very competitive early game while allowing 6 points more then your vaunted SF defense did in a late game. Were the Vikings and the Rams such powerhouses that you couldn't overcome the 1 PM Eastern 2.5% (maybe) 2 play a game (maybe) effect of the time zone difference? Why does Goodell prevent East Coast teams from coming west more than two times a season for 2.5% with no thought to West Coast teams going East? I know which way I'd rather travel. Been there and done it.

    As for the Ravens, Ray Lewis was barely a difference maker on the field, before or after his absence. Nor did their defense depth step it up, their offense carried them (barely, thank the Steeler collapse) to the playoffs. Unless you are addicted to football, casual fans outside of Baltimore never even heard of Kruger and Ellerbe until after Lewis had returned. His impact wasn't as a best player, it was pure motivation.

    I don't even consider the Giants to have a great defense, they regularly get shellacked, yet know how to play on the road, or in the post season. Coughlin does a fine job with those guys. They go to another team, and most of them suck.

    As a west coast team the 49ers seem to have handled regional time differences and have been successful, so I don't see regional time difference as an issue that will prevent any west coast team from winning games. Yes Circadian rythms do exist, and yes it does affect performance, but conversly late games should also be a benefit to west coast teams. Theoretically, they should even out over time.

    I didn't mean that Ray Lewis was an impact player on the Baltimore defense this year, what I meant was that if you look at any championship team, they have very good depth on the defensive side. Well, good depth all around, really. That's what I meant. As for the Giants, their pass rush got old this year, and hence their defensive depth really lost some substance. I think Osi was let go and signed with another team, if I recall correctly.

    The vikings and the rams exposed a weakned defensive line, and that's what the 49ers remedied this past draft. Seattle ran over the 49er replacement DE in December 23, 2012. That's what happens if a team does not have championship depth.
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  • Archer wrote:
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    Again, bend but don't break defenses are used when you dont' have defensive talent to go toe to toe with an offense between the 20's.

    As for the Giants. The Old Giants Parcells defense is a yardage defense. Meaning they will stifle your offense yardage-wise. Carl Banks, Lenard Marshall and Lawrence taylor, to name a few were very disruptive players and disrupted offenses. Those were athletic freaks, like Howie Long, that just by their athletic ability will disrupt an offense. However, the Giants defense philosophically was to try stifle your offense (at least the ones run by Bill Parcells) with solid mistake free team defense. They had big guys in the front and outside guys that could pass rush, and DB's that could cover. It was a stifling defense, never made any mistakes, and never needed to blitz. Same with the Steeler Defense, they had only like four defensive formation calls and nobody could beat them despite knowing exactly which defense was bieng called.

    Disruptive defenses like the Raider defenses of old used gap penetration schemes to achieve their ends, which is to get into the backfield and destory blocking schemes or take out the QB. Old raider defenses had the primary purpose of taking away the football from the opposing offense. Whereas Steeler and Giant's defense of old were very solid, physically imposing, and simply stronger than almost all offenses - didn't gap penetrate and simply held their ground and didn't let you move or go anywhere.

    Good solid front 7 play is a must in any defense. Be it the Tampa 2, Wide 9, Eagle 5-2, or 46. That goes without saying. No, my main point is that when Pete was with the 49ers they rarely blitzed, and I can see in the games last year and the year before, he still runs a cautious defense.


    How is the 1st in scoring Defense, and 4th in yards Defense a "bend but don't break". I don't think you actually paid much attention to the Seahawks D last year if that is truly what you think. The D did have issues with the pass rush and especially later in the year, the run defense, but they were a top D by basically every available metric. The Seahawks team overall last year was 1st in DVOA and is not a fluke team. Seattle has some of the best defensive talent in the league and your post reads like wishful thinking.

    Seattle is a top D, no question. But that doesn't mean you don't play various kinds of defenses. Some teams, I"m sure, you'll blitz to death because you can, and because they are behind. Some teams are ahead, and you have to play straight up because that's how the game is going. My simple point was that Pete Carroll, from his time with the 49ers is a very conservative defensive coach. He doesn't like to take chances if he can avoid it. Contrast that with guys like LeBeau, who build in aggression and high risk/high reward plays into their basic defenses. From what limited games I've seen of Pete's defense, he's still pretty much the same coach I remember from the 1990's.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
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    Lady Talon wrote:Jones had been on IR since 12/28. Red was dealing through a plantar fascia injury. So we had to take a situational rookie DE and plant him in Clemons spot and expect him to anchor the run (a weakness for Irvin all season) with nobody to relieve him AND Red but a player that hadn't played a NFL football down in 5 years and whose name rhymes with Chupacabra. Now, I like Irvin, but he isn't a world beater, and rookie Dlineman take quite awhile to get used to regular season games much less get thrown out of position and expected to hold 3 downs against a good O line in a Divisional playoff game.

    Small wonder it didn't work? If anything, gambling that Clemons wouldn't get hurt and not adequately addressing depth was more the problem with the defense in that loss. We did address that in the offseason with Avril and Bennett. Whether or not they'll be world beaters remains to be seen.

    As for the 6 points, lol. Seattle was the only west Coast playoff team to visit an east coast stadium with a 1 pm ET kickoff time. There's just no excuse for that in the playoffs, IMO. Out of three regular season 1PM ET starts the 9ers endured in 2012, their only win was at the Jets.

    Despite all that, 28 seconds and 2 points short of a road playoff win after being down 27-7 in the 3rd quarter is hardly anything to be ashamed of, considering our dline issues.


    Jones and Red seem to have durability problems, from your info above. If 'Hawks are going to be a championship team, they have to have championship depth. The 49ers, back in their heyday had Hall of Fame players backing up hall of fame players. Of course, that's drastically changed with the Salary cap. But take the NY Giants, they won the superbowl because they had sufficient depth to get through the rough spots during the season, and weather the storm. When their stars came back - it was just in time for a superbowl run. I think it's the same with Baltimore. They suffered losses to Ray Lewis and I believe Ed Reed and still were able to make the playoffs and make a superbowl run. I just don't think this years draft added much to your defensive depth.

    As for regional time zone differences, if the effect is 2.5% - in a 70 play game that's a difference of 1.75 plays. If your team can't overcome one or two good plays by the opposing home team, you don't deserve to be in the Playoffs or Superbowl. Laofo and I had an extensive discussion on this and that's why defense is so important in playoff or big game scenarios with regional time zone differences.



    So then your saying your loss at the clink was only about a 1.5% variable? Sounds about right to me. If everything was in perfect alignment for the Niners that night we probably only win by 25.

    Dude your homer double standards are painful to read. We didn't do enough on defense but your draft will save you.

    Come on man at least read your own write ups.

    I don't think regional time zone differences affect teams in the same time zone. Maybe *you* should re-read your post before you submit it?
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  • firebee wrote:The pundits look at the paper and see Glenn Dorsey, Nnamdi Asomugha, Eric Reid, Anquan Boldin, Tavon Austin and perhaps even Craig Dahl as great improvement on the defense while they lost Goldson, Sopoaga and Francois. They don't look at the fact that lack of continuity on the defense is going to effect the Niners on defense early. Look for a lot of breakdowns in coverage to happen the first half of the season for the Niners. The niners also don't have a lot of depth. They're one injury away in the secondary and on the defensive line from having an average to below average squad in both of those respected catgories.

    Seattle already boasts one of the best secondaries in the league... if not the best. Lane can step in at either corner position and hold the position down. We signed Winfield to play nickel and let Trufant go, which is a push. We resigned Jeron Johnson, who is one of the most underrated safeties in the league, simply because he's stuck behind Thomas and Chancellor, two of the best safeties in the league. We added Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett, two top notch DEs to a defensive line that still has Mebane and Bryant with Irvin as an up and comer at DE or LB and two highly touted DTs competing for playing time. We lost Leroy Hill, but we've been grooming 3 linebackers in Toomer, Smith and Morgan behind him with great physical tools the last 2 years. Wagner and Wright should only get better and they're already really good to begin with. Let's not forget about our Special Teams Ace Heath Farwell either.

    Our offensive lines are a push and both should perform extremely well this year due to their experience and continuity. Neither team lost any major players and both have quality depth. Receivers are a push and Backs are a push. Quarterbacks are a push. Both are still young relatively inexperienced quarterbacks with great playmaking ability. Problem is... San Fran is playing against Seattle in Seattle their second game of the year where Kaepernick had problems last year and where all the breakdowns in coverage will occur due to the lack of continuity on the Niners defense. San Fran will get stomped on in Seattle after Seattle comes back from Carolina. Then Seattle plays in San Fran 2 weeks after a bye week with a home game against New Orleans in between. By this time, San Fran will be feeling the effects of a key injury or two on defense and Seattle will put the nail in the coffin by sweeping San Fran due to San Fran's faltering defense that was plagued with lack of continuity at the beginning of the season and effected by lack of depth to injuries later in the season. Timing of the schedule mixed with lack of depth on the Niners defense is going to cost the Niners the division title and possibly a playoff spot this year. They appear to be better on paper when you compare their starting lineup to other starting lineups, but they're depth and lack of continuity is going to be their achilles heel.

    Personally, I think the continuity in coaching (Gus to Dan) is going to be more of a hinderance than the 49ers plugging in new defensive players on a stable coaching staff that had zero turnover. I think your coaching staff, Dan and Travis are new. You also (as you pointed out above in your post) have to integrate new players from the draft and also free agent from other teams - so that's the same on both teams. Dan and Travis dont' have impressive resume's as far as I know, but I don't know much about them in the first place.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:lol I didn't say WE DESERVED. I said we did pretty good minus our best outside and interior pass rushers, starting a rookie and an unknown DE and expecting a pass rush out of necessity, and playing a very competitive early game while allowing 6 points more then your vaunted SF defense did in a late game. Were the Vikings and the Rams such powerhouses that you couldn't overcome the 1 PM Eastern 2.5% (maybe) 2 play a game (maybe) effect of the time zone difference? Why does Goodell prevent East Coast teams from coming west more than two times a season for 2.5% with no thought to West Coast teams going East? I know which way I'd rather travel. Been there and done it.

    As for the Ravens, Ray Lewis was barely a difference maker on the field, before or after his absence. Nor did their defense depth step it up, their offense carried them (barely, thank the Steeler collapse) to the playoffs. Unless you are addicted to football, casual fans outside of Baltimore never even heard of Kruger and Ellerbe until after Lewis had returned. His impact wasn't as a best player, it was pure motivation.

    I don't even consider the Giants to have a great defense, they regularly get shellacked, yet know how to play on the road, or in the post season. Coughlin does a fine job with those guys. They go to another team, and most of them suck.

    As a west coast team the 49ers seem to have handled regional time differences and have been successful, so I don't see regional time difference as an issue that will prevent any west coast team from winning games. Yes Circadian rythms do exist, and yes it does affect performance, but conversly late games should also be a benefit to west coast teams. Theoretically, they should even out over time.

    I didn't mean that Ray Lewis was an impact player on the Baltimore defense this year, what I meant was that if you look at any championship team, they have very good depth on the defensive side. Well, good depth all around, really. That's what I meant. As for the Giants, their pass rush got old this year, and hence their defensive depth really lost some substance. I think Osi was let go and signed with another team, if I recall correctly.

    The vikings and the rams exposed a weakned defensive line, and that's what the 49ers remedied this past draft. Seattle ran over the 49er replacement DE in December 23, 2012. That's what happens if a team does not have championship depth.


    Take away the non salary cap, and early Free Agency years from SF's record and I think you'd be less impressed. All those Saint, Buc, and Stl Rams for 3 1 PM ET time slot a year pads sure ran up the stats when they didn't have a hope in hell of producing equal teams. Regardless, if you are the best in the league at traveling time zones, why should that matter?

    Roger Goodell saw fit to fix east coast teams so they did not have to ride west more then twice a year. Based upon the lesser phenomenon of traveling from east to west. Are you arguing that bias shouldn't matter to me? Or should you tell him if he's going to pad east coast winning percentages with this policy, then perhaps he shouldn't schedule massive 1 PM ET starts for west coast teams in east coast stadiums, just to make the policy ALL INCLUSIVE.

    Perhaps, if he did that, PST teams wouldn't be so radically up and down or just perennially suck and build some market power to rival the east?

    Nothing theoretical about this, its about keeping larger markets on the east coast by not subjecting them to radical time differences, artificially padding their winning percentages, so they don't have the huge bandwagon swings that West Coast teams have.
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  • Lady Talon wrote:
    Giedi wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:lol I didn't say WE DESERVED. I said we did pretty good minus our best outside and interior pass rushers, starting a rookie and an unknown DE and expecting a pass rush out of necessity, and playing a very competitive early game while allowing 6 points more then your vaunted SF defense did in a late game. Were the Vikings and the Rams such powerhouses that you couldn't overcome the 1 PM Eastern 2.5% (maybe) 2 play a game (maybe) effect of the time zone difference? Why does Goodell prevent East Coast teams from coming west more than two times a season for 2.5% with no thought to West Coast teams going East? I know which way I'd rather travel. Been there and done it.

    As for the Ravens, Ray Lewis was barely a difference maker on the field, before or after his absence. Nor did their defense depth step it up, their offense carried them (barely, thank the Steeler collapse) to the playoffs. Unless you are addicted to football, casual fans outside of Baltimore never even heard of Kruger and Ellerbe until after Lewis had returned. His impact wasn't as a best player, it was pure motivation.

    I don't even consider the Giants to have a great defense, they regularly get shellacked, yet know how to play on the road, or in the post season. Coughlin does a fine job with those guys. They go to another team, and most of them suck.

    As a west coast team the 49ers seem to have handled regional time differences and have been successful, so I don't see regional time difference as an issue that will prevent any west coast team from winning games. Yes Circadian rythms do exist, and yes it does affect performance, but conversly late games should also be a benefit to west coast teams. Theoretically, they should even out over time.

    I didn't mean that Ray Lewis was an impact player on the Baltimore defense this year, what I meant was that if you look at any championship team, they have very good depth on the defensive side. Well, good depth all around, really. That's what I meant. As for the Giants, their pass rush got old this year, and hence their defensive depth really lost some substance. I think Osi was let go and signed with another team, if I recall correctly.

    The vikings and the rams exposed a weakned defensive line, and that's what the 49ers remedied this past draft. Seattle ran over the 49er replacement DE in December 23, 2012. That's what happens if a team does not have championship depth.


    Take away the non salary cap, and early Free Agency years from SF's record and I think you'd be less impressed. All those Saint, Buc, and Stl Rams for 3 1 PM ET time slot a year pads sure ran up the stats when they didn't have a hope in hell of producing equal teams. Regardless, if you are the best in the league at traveling time zones, why should that matter?

    Roger Goodell saw fit to fix east coast teams so they did not have to ride west more then twice a year. Based upon the lesser phenomenon of traveling from east to west. Are you arguing that bias shouldn't matter to me? Or should you tell him if he's going to pad east coast winning percentages with this policy, then perhaps he shouldn't schedule massive 1 PM ET starts for west coast teams in east coast stadiums, just to make the policy ALL INCLUSIVE.

    Perhaps, if he did that, PST teams wouldn't be so radically up and down or just perennially suck and build some market power to rival the east?

    Nothing theoretical about this, its about keeping larger markets on the east coast by not subjecting them to radical time differences, artificially padding their winning percentages, so they don't have the huge bandwagon swings that West Coast teams have.


    SMDH.

    Are you seriously going to try and talk like you know anything about the older days of the NFC West and then have us take you seriously when you quote the Bucs as a team in that division?

    Really?

    Year after year the 49ers were the most traveled team in the NFL. Thats not an advatage no matter how you want to spin it. The Siants, Rams, and FALCONS also had times when they were good teams and contended for the playoffs...they just couldn't compete with SF.

    I am soooooo tired of theis "if you take away the pre salary cap era its not as impressive". Um....There was no free agency. The Niner drafted almost all of the players on theier roster. Having all that money isn't the advantage you think when nobody can escape their team.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:Year after year the 49ers were the most traveled team in the NFL. Thats not an advatage no matter ow you want to spin it.


    You're right, it's not; but all the corruption and cheating by a certain DeBartolo back in the day sure was. 8)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Marvin49 wrote:Year after year the 49ers were the most traveled team in the NFL. Thats not an advatage no matter ow you want to spin it.


    You're right, it's not; but all the corruption and cheating by a certain DeBartolo back in the day sure was. 8)


    SMDH. Dude.

    Seriously? That crap? Please explain to me what cheating you are referring to. There was no salary cap. Where did they cheat?

    The only thing that they were guilty of was a modification to Brent Jones final contract as a 49er that allowed them to sign....wait for it....Jim Druckenmiller. They then tunred THEMSELVES in and lost a 3rd round pick.

    I understand it's the popular notion of teams that hate the Niners to circulate this crap, but it ain't true. Its just an excuse.
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  • Marvin49 wrote:
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    Giedi wrote:As a west coast team the 49ers seem to have handled regional time differences and have been successful, so I don't see regional time difference as an issue that will prevent any west coast team from winning games. Yes Circadian rythms do exist, and yes it does affect performance, but conversly late games should also be a benefit to west coast teams. Theoretically, they should even out over time.

    I didn't mean that Ray Lewis was an impact player on the Baltimore defense this year, what I meant was that if you look at any championship team, they have very good depth on the defensive side. Well, good depth all around, really. That's what I meant. As for the Giants, their pass rush got old this year, and hence their defensive depth really lost some substance. I think Osi was let go and signed with another team, if I recall correctly.

    The vikings and the rams exposed a weakned defensive line, and that's what the 49ers remedied this past draft. Seattle ran over the 49er replacement DE in December 23, 2012. That's what happens if a team does not have championship depth.


    Take away the non salary cap, and early Free Agency years from SF's record and I think you'd be less impressed. All those Saint, Buc, and Stl Rams for 3 1 PM ET time slot a year pads sure ran up the stats when they didn't have a hope in hell of producing equal teams. Regardless, if you are the best in the league at traveling time zones, why should that matter?

    Roger Goodell saw fit to fix east coast teams so they did not have to ride west more then twice a year. Based upon the lesser phenomenon of traveling from east to west. Are you arguing that bias shouldn't matter to me? Or should you tell him if he's going to pad east coast winning percentages with this policy, then perhaps he shouldn't schedule massive 1 PM ET starts for west coast teams in east coast stadiums, just to make the policy ALL INCLUSIVE.

    Perhaps, if he did that, PST teams wouldn't be so radically up and down or just perennially suck and build some market power to rival the east?

    Nothing theoretical about this, its about keeping larger markets on the east coast by not subjecting them to radical time differences, artificially padding their winning percentages, so they don't have the huge bandwagon swings that West Coast teams have.


    SMDH.

    Are you seriously going to try and talk like you know anything about the older days of the NFC West and then have us take you seriously when you quote the Bucs as a team in that division?

    Really?

    Year after year the 49ers were the most traveled team in the NFL. Thats not an advatage no matter how you want to spin it. The Siants, Rams, and FALCONS also had times when they were good teams and contended for the playoffs...they just couldn't compete with SF.

    I am soooooo tired of theis "if you take away the pre salary cap era its not as impressive". Um....There was no free agency. The Niner drafted almost all of the players on theier roster. Having all that money isn't the advantage you think when nobody can escape their team.


    If you're going to be emotional, go stay in smack shack where it's normal talk. Go look at the time stamp of my post and realize it was probably a mistake. I make them. If you're tired of people's opinions of the Niners, stay out of the Seahawks fan forum. Also, if you demand post perfection, type with less spelling errors, looks bad.
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