RichNhansom wrote:Well if how you finished last year matters then the Ravens should be #1 but it's not based on last year alone it is based on last years performance and the upgrades and downgrades since that time.
Based on that the Niners are replacing an all pro safety with a rookie. Lost both starting and back up NT's and their H-back who is also their back up TE. Their receiving core consists of two guys that have caught passes from Kaepernick and their star running back turns 30 this week and their best defender is returning from injury and turns 34 in September. Add all that to a coach who doesn't play his back ups or rooks and before you assume the Niners only drafted allpro's remember Jenkins was their #1 pick last year and didn't have a single catch on the season despite lacking competition to keep him off the field. Many liked the Jenkins pick at the time also. Will this years class be better than last? Or will we see a repeat of last years draft?
In their three 10am starts the only team they could beat was the Jets and in the second week of travel they were demoralized in Seattle.
Don't buy the excuses that everyone that left was the worst player in the NFL. That is beyond ridiculous and even if they were as bad as the Niner fans want you to believe it is a direct reflection on their lack of depth and inability to plug holes where needed. I don't see any reason for that to have changed.
Niners fans want you to believe that getting Boldin was a better deal than getting Harvin. It's not. Harvin would be the best receiver on that team with everything he brings to the field. Crabtree was never in the topic of MVP last year for a season.
They want you to believe that Bennett and Avril are questionable moves that may or may not pan out but Caradine and Reid will instantly upgrade their team.
Don't buy all the bull. We are returning every position except 3 tech and DE and those are being replaced with guys that are statistically better plus Clemons will likely return at some point and be 100% by the playoffs. . Our draft was boring for a reason. We had zero holes going into the draft. We didn't desperately need to hit on a safety or NT and we don't desperately need to find quality receivers plus everyone but Harvin already has chemistry with Wilson.
It's really not a stretch to see why most have Seattle as the best team in football right now.
Where to start...
1) While I think Reid might be better long term I agree that Goldson will be a loss. I've never been Goldsons biggest fan, but he was a very good safety. He got WAY, WAY overpaid in Tampa tho. He was nowhere near as good a safety as Earl Thomas. BTW...I also think Whitner is way overrated and he's still on the roster.
2) Those starting and backup DT? Yeah....the 49ers were looking to UPGRADE at those positions because they played poorly...RJF in particular. Why did the Niner D fall apart when Justin Smith went out? It fell apart because his replacement (RJF) got mauled. Just watch Lynch's first TD in Seattle and see what happens to RJF on the play. Sopoaga was the 82nd rated DT in the league last year according to PFF. The Niners could have resigned both of those guys. They chose not to.
3) Losing Delanie Walker is one of the biggest loses to me. The guy did drop a ton of passes and is drove me crazy, but I really liked Delanie. That was the guy I really didn't want to see go. We'll just have to see if the combo of McDonald and Boldin will be able to fill that roll.
4) Doesn't play his backups or rookies...what the hell are you talking about? Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati both started as rookies. So did Bruce Miller. Aldon didn't start, but played enough to get 14 sacks. Kendall Hunter got significant playing time. So did Chris Culliver. It's funny how ONE YEAR forms everyones opinions. Jenkins was never going to start. Neither was James. Those were two of the deepest positions on the team before injuries depleted them. They didn't use the packups in the front 7 last year because as I said before, they SUCKED. RJF blew. Parys Haralson was hurt in Preseason. They didn't play their backups because they didn't have a ton of depth and they had a rash of injuries at OLB. Thats' why they focused on the front 7 in the draft. Those guys will play. Count on it. We'll see if they are better than their predecessors.
5) Gore and Justin getting old? Justified comment....but thats probably why they have drafted a RB in every draft for the past 4 years (Anthony Dixon, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, and Marcus Lattimore). Hunter and James really look like keepers. Dixon not so much and we'll just have to see on Lattimore. Drafting Tank Carradine is about depth behind Justin AND an attempt to find his eventual replacement. This is a common theme tho among Seahawks fans..."Niners are getting old, we are young...we'll dominate and Niners will fade". Its a nice little story, but it's pretty much wishful thinking. Even after trading for Boldin and McCoy, the Niners STILL had 13 picks and drafted 11 players. The 49ers have ALREADY drafted possible eventual replacements for a number of their aging players (Hunter, James, Lattimore for Gore; Jenkins, Patton for Moss/Boldin; Kilgore for Goodwin, Looney for Leonard Davis, Carradine for Justin Smith). They started this process 2 years ago. Oh, BTW....they ALREADY have 10 picks next year which will probably include a 1, 2 2's and 3 3's or a 1, a 2 and FOUR 3's depending on if KC can get to 8-8 this year. Its wishful thinking to think that the Niners are going to fade away.
6) It's really funny to me how everyone looks at the Jenkins pick and just thinks "hey...look at THAT pick!! These guys suck at drafting". First off, Jenkins has been around 1 year. Lets see what he does THIS year. You also just skipped over the OTHER players the Niner drafted these past few years...Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, NaVorro Bowman, Aldon Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Chris Culliver, Kendall Hunter, Bruce Miller and LaMichael James. I'm leaving out the guys who look promising and just haven't gotten their shot yet. Of course there is no guarantee any of the rooks will be an all-star (tho I keep hearing on this site that Christine Michael will be a superstar), using Jenkins as the example is really just cherry picking.
7) The comment about the players leaving weren't as bad as we are saying...um, yes they were. They DID have a lack of depth. Alot of that was due to injury. On the D-Line they lost Justin for a whiloe, they lost Will Tukuafu and Demarcus Dobbs earlier in the year. RJF just sucked HARD last year. Sopoaga was a decent player, but it appears father time has caught up with him. AT OLB, the niners were CRUSHED by injury losing Parys Haralson, Darius Fleming and Cameron Johnson tom injury. They ended up signing Clark Haggins...who sucked. They now have Haralson back and drafted Lemonier. If you think the Seahawks aren't going to have to use draft picks for depth, you are kidding yourself.
Harvin/Boldin: Harvin is the better player right now. No argument from me. However, Boldin doesn't NEED to be anything more than a #2 WR and didn't cost them a 1 , a 7, and a 3 next year. The Crabtree comment makes me laugh. Who said anything about MVP? What is worth noting tho is that Crab had 3 career 100 yard games before Kaep took over. In the 10 games Kaep did start, Crab had 880 yards and 8 TDs. Crab wasn't the issue. The QB was the issue. I'll take Crab over Harvin thank you. You'll disagree of course, but I'd rather have Crab.
9) Avril/Bennett: I am skeptical of these 2, but I do think they provide very, very good depth. Losing Clemons was a killer for you guys last year just as losing Justin was to us. I'm simply not a big fan of those players, but they certainly represent an upgrade to overall depth on that line.
10) The comment about your "boring" draft makes me laugh. You guys had a boring draft because you had few holes and were drafting for the furure and for depth while the 49ers draft of 2012 was just a failure. Actually, the Niners were doing last year exactly what Seattle did THIS year. They drafted for depth and the future and traded several of their picks for picks THIS year (which is why they at one point had 15 picks) and selected injured players for value(just like they did again this year).
Look...I got no prob when people refer to Seattle as a very, very talented team. They are. They are stacked all over the roster. Don't start ripping apart the 49ers roster tho because it's pretty clear you don't understand it. I'm not going to rip on Seattles moves because I clearly don't know them as well as you guys do....and I can admit that. I suggest you do the same.