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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 10:55 am
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:08 am
  • NinerLifer wrote:Slight slack? :34853_doh:

    Think production differential from the RB position... not total production from the position.

    The way I think... if Lynch can gain 100 yards against a certain opponent, Turbin should be able to gain 75 yards.

    The 25 yard differential is the "slight slack".
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:09 am
  • NinerLifer wrote:Slight slack? :34853_doh:

    It's not like Lynch is Adrian Peterson (2/3 of the offense) as it was we ran the ball 55% to 45% passing but that doesn't factor in that Wilson was handcuffed for 8 weeks of the season. It's far more likely that this year's offense will be 50/50 or 55/45% passing to rushing.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:09 am
  • NinerLifer wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:I am aware that I am at a Seahawks board, but didn't think that it would automatically cause people to lose all common sense.

    And for some reason the link provided two posts above wont open correctly on my iPhone 5. However I was able to read the comments. One stated that the article brought up that he was indeed administered a second breathalyzer at the station and that it in fact showed he was OVER 0.08. Since I can't read the article (yet) I can't verify. But if so, what is the defense against that?

    The alcohol metabalizing (sp) in his system perhaps? Faulty equipment/settings?


    I imagine that is the common defense against DUI, but yet people are convicted of it every day.


    Most DUI "convictions" at this level are plea agreements. The science behind blood alcohol tests is not 100% accurate and I've known several people who had the resources to fight their cases when they tested so close to the limit and they win more of these than they lose. Honestly, it's expensive upfront money to hire an attorney to fight these things and most people know they were guilty and just plea out, but since Lynch has hired an attorney, his chances of being found guilty are less than those of his being found guilty if it goes to court.

    As for the NFL punishment, that ball is up in the air, and nobody will know for sure how that will fall until Goodell decides to make a decision. If he's found guilty or pleads guilty, there will be a suspension for sure, if not, then the commissioner has every right to either suspend him or to not suspend him and he has gone in either direction in previous cases with other players.

    I find it funny how long this debate has raged in here. We had this exact same debate after his arrest. His trial is scheduled, but could easily be delayed to the point where we won't have a decision this year either.

    It's definitely way to early to count him out of any games right now, and the team has taken measures to not only fill the gap should he miss games, but also secure a possible replacement down the road.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:11 am
  • onanygivensunday wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:Slight slack? :34853_doh:

    Think production differential from the RB position... not total production from the position.

    The way I think... if Lynch can gain 100 yards against a certain opponent, Turbin should be able to gain 75 yards.

    The 25 yard differential is the "slight slack".


    Ok, I'll go with that.

    How do you believe he would do against your first 4 opponents next year, based on their run D?
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:14 am
  • NinerLifer wrote:And for anybody on here to suggest that the loss of Lynch, one of the premier backs in the league, can be nullified by throwing in Michael...WTF? Seriously you either under appreciate what Marshawn does for not just your running game but also your passing attack, or you honestly think that Lynch is easily replaced which is completely ludicrous.

    I know I don't have to explain how a strong (which might be an understatement when talking about your very own "Beastmode") running game helps a teams passing game...right?



    I don't think ANYONE on this board would suggest that missing Marshawn for 4 games would be no big deal. I'm just not convinced that we will. IF he's to be suspended, and I think that's a big if (see my post above re: conduct policy vs. drug alcohol policy) I don't think it will be for 4 whole games. That seems like overkill to me. And FINALLY, if somehow he is to be suspended for 4 games, I think he'll appeal until the softest possible 4 games comes up (which won't include the 9ers).

    Of course it will be a huge loss, but we'll be in a better position than most, and a better position than we were last year to handle it. Plus - Lynch could use the rest.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:17 am
  • I can see where Niner fans are confused. Their backups get little to no playing time. To them, losing a starter is a detrimental blow to the team, ex. without Justin Smith, Aldon Smith is plain average.

    Seahawks fans, on the other hand, embrace the depth players and the coaches working them into practice and games, sharing snaps during preseason and the regular season with the starters. It's not a lack of "common sense" that we don't see losing Lynch for a couple games as a huge, huge blow. It's confidence that the next guy will step up as Pete has shown he can get young guys to contribute in big ways.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:18 am
  • NinerLifer wrote:
    onanygivensunday wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:Slight slack? :34853_doh:

    Think production differential from the RB position... not total production from the position.

    The way I think... if Lynch can gain 100 yards against a certain opponent, Turbin should be able to gain 75 yards.

    The 25 yard differential is the "slight slack".


    Ok, I'll go with that.

    How do you believe he would do against your first 4 opponents next year, based on their run D?

    I won't put up numbers but with Carolina it depends how those draft picks pan out it could be middling hard or easy depending with Houston and the 49ers it will be tough sledding, With Jacksonville it should be on the easier side.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:22 am
  • That might be true, but which 4 game span would that be?
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am
  • That's our first 4 games in the upcoming season.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:30 am
  • I don't believe it will be more than 1 or 2 games tops and we have a couple RBs hungry enough to step in and play lights out to fill in.

    Not worried about it. Just means more Wilson. I dunno if any opponents are really going to see more Russell Wilson as a good thing. So we play a team with a good run D who will take advantage of a missing Marshawn. Cool. They still have to cover Rice/Harvin/Tate/Miller/Baldwin. Good luck with that.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:33 am
  • The running game wouldn't just stop with Lynch being out, but it would probably take a dip in productivity. Not worried about it with Wilson taking more and more responsibility within the offense.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:35 am
  • hedgehawk wrote:The running game wouldn't just stop with Lynch being out, but it would probably take a dip in productivity. Not worried about it with Wilson taking more and more responsibility within the offense.


    It'll take a dip because Marshawn is a good zone-runner. We may do some more traditional type blocking schemes to compensate in those games. Easier to diagnose but thats when Turbin can put those big muscles to work.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:37 am
  • I think we're talking about this more than his Attorney will have to talk with the Prosecuting Attorney to make a plea work things out and get Marshawn back in the game... Don't think he'll be suspended, it's not like it's the first or last in a case like this.... DUI might be dropped, the court system has more to deal with than this... a .08 or even a .10 is nothing compared to what most people leaving a bar or party can test for. No illeigal drugs in system and nobody hurt, and a good Attorney... He's a big boy and things do happen and I think he'll be fine...
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 11:40 am
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    onanygivensunday wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:Slight slack? :34853_doh:

    Think production differential from the RB position... not total production from the position.

    The way I think... if Lynch can gain 100 yards against a certain opponent, Turbin should be able to gain 75 yards.

    The 25 yard differential is the "slight slack".


    Ok, I'll go with that.

    How do you believe he would do against your first 4 opponents next year, based on their run D?

    I'll take a numbers approach.

    Seattle averaged 161.2 yd/game running the ball last year.

    First 2013 opponent is Carolina on the road, who were 14th in the league for Run D (near the middle of the pack), giving up 110.1 yd/game on average. If Lynch were unavailable, I could still see Seattle accumulating just under their 2012 average... let's say 150 yards in that game.

    Second 2013 opponent is the 49ers at home, who were 4th in the league on Run D, holding 2012 opponents to 94.2 yd/game on average last year. I could see the Hawks gaining about 130 yards on the ground in that home game. I imagine that Pete would use Percy in the backfield quite a bit in this game.

    Third 2013 opponent is J'Ville at home, who were a dismal 30th in the league in Run D last year, giving up a generous 141.0 yd/game on average. I could see the Hawks putting up 180 or 190 at home against the Jaguars, even without Lynch.

    Fourth 2013 opponent is Houston on the road, who were 7th in the league in Run D last year, giving up 97.5 yd/game on average. Without Lynch, I foresee the Hawks only mustering about 100 yd on the ground against the Texans at their place, principally because Brian Cushing should be back at full strength.

    All in all, I don't foresee a significant drop-off in the event Marshawn is unable to play in the first four games.

    Make sense?
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 3:46 pm
  • Ya I can understand your mind set. Hopefully for the Seahawks, in the case that he is suspended, you are right. Or your season could be lost before it even begins. Especially in a division where every win will matter.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Tue May 14, 2013 3:54 pm
  • Man I really hope he doesn't miss any games......especially the SF game in week 2. I think a stiff fine will suffice.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Wed May 15, 2013 3:20 pm
  • Blitzer88 wrote:Man I really hope he doesn't miss any games......especially the SF game in week 2. I think a stiff fine will suffice.


    I don't have any sympathy for individuals who choose to drink and drive, so I hope the judge makes an example of him. Which is something that California courts have been starting to do against Celeb's and those who appear to go on acting like the laws of "common men" don't apply to them.

    Since this isn't Lynch's first incident with drunk driving, I doubt that he gets let off easy.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Wed May 15, 2013 10:16 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:
    KCHawkGirl wrote:The alcohol metabalizing (sp) in his system perhaps? Faulty equipment/settings?


    I imagine that is the common defense against DUI, but yet people are convicted of it every day.


    Most DUI "convictions" at this level are plea agreements. The science behind blood alcohol tests is not 100% accurate and I've known several people who had the resources to fight their cases when they tested so close to the limit and they win more of these than they lose. Honestly, it's expensive upfront money to hire an attorney to fight these things and most people know they were guilty and just plea out, but since Lynch has hired an attorney, his chances of being found guilty are less than those of his being found guilty if it goes to court.

    As for the NFL punishment, that ball is up in the air, and nobody will know for sure how that will fall until Goodell decides to make a decision. If he's found guilty or pleads guilty, there will be a suspension for sure, if not, then the commissioner has every right to either suspend him or to not suspend him and he has gone in either direction in previous cases with other players.

    I find it funny how long this debate has raged in here. We had this exact same debate after his arrest. His trial is scheduled, but could easily be delayed to the point where we won't have a decision this year either.

    It's definitely way to early to count him out of any games right now, and the team has taken measures to not only fill the gap should he miss games, but also secure a possible replacement down the road.

    May 22 is the magic date for the Seahawk fans. That's the date that Marshawn executes his last *get out of Jail* card. If he wins on May 22, he's home free. If he loses on may 22, more than likely - I think - he gets convicted of DUI. I understand these cases are difficult to win by any DA, but considering Marshawn's stature as a public figure, I think they will do a darn good job. Alameda DA's as known for being pretty good and pretty tough. Cheif Justice Earl Warren comes from Alameda, so that's got to say something about Alameda DA's.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Wed May 15, 2013 10:20 pm
  • Too bad this didn't happen in Washington, it takes a good dozen or so DUIs before we actually toss someone in jail on a conviction. :roll:
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Wed May 15, 2013 11:04 pm
  • NinerLifer wrote:I don't have any sympathy for individuals who choose to drink and drive, so I hope the judge makes an example of him. Which is something that California courts have been starting to do against Celeb's and those who appear to go on acting like the laws of "common men" don't apply to them.

    Since this isn't Lynch's first incident with drunk driving, I doubt that he gets let off easy.

    I have a low tolerance for stupidity, and you are starting to piss me off. The legal limit is supposed to be just that. If he blew the legal limit at the scene, as he did according to his attorney, then this will be an easy case to defend.

    I'm sure you are perfect, and have never done anything bad, so your perspective might be a little skewed. The legal limit used to be .10, and then it got reduced to .08. Your pompous argument reminds me of the ninnies back in the 70's and 80's who would complain about people going too fast in a 55mph zone, when the limit previously was 70mph and the roads were designed for 80+.

    I don't have any sympathy for hypocrites, so I hope you get busted for dui after having some cough syrup.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Wed May 15, 2013 11:06 pm
  • Giedi wrote:Cheif Justice Earl Warren comes from Alameda, so that's got to say something about Alameda DA's.

    Complete and total non sequitur.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 5:43 am
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    NinerLifer wrote:I don't have any sympathy for individuals who choose to drink and drive, so I hope the judge makes an example of him. Which is something that California courts have been starting to do against Celeb's and those who appear to go on acting like the laws of "common men" don't apply to them.

    Since this isn't Lynch's first incident with drunk driving, I doubt that he gets let off easy.

    I have a low tolerance for stupidity, and you are starting to piss me off. The legal limit is supposed to be just that. If he blew the legal limit at the scene, as he did according to his attorney, then this will be an easy case to defend.

    I'm sure you are perfect, and have never done anything bad, so your perspective might be a little skewed. The legal limit used to be .10, and then it got reduced to .08. Your pompous argument reminds me of the ninnies back in the 70's and 80's who would complain about people going too fast in a 55mph zone, when the limit previously was 70mph and the roads were designed for 80+.

    I don't have any sympathy for hypocrites, so I hope you get busted for dui after having some cough syrup.


    Ummm....ok.

    His lawyer said he blew 0.08, the police say he blew OVER it, but won't actually release the actual BAC level yet because it is one of their rules apparently according to an article I read. His lawyer is payed to do his job and create the sense of optimism. If you can't understand that....

    And I won't touch your immaturity of hoping I get pulled over for a DUI.

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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 5:49 am
  • Hawkboi wrote:I think we're talking about this more than his Attorney will have to talk with the Prosecuting Attorney to make a plea work things out and get Marshawn back in the game... Don't think he'll be suspended, it's not like it's the first or last in a case like this.... DUI might be dropped, the court system has more to deal with than this... a .08 or even a .10 is nothing compared to what most people leaving a bar or party can test for. No illeigal drugs in system and nobody hurt, and a good Attorney... He's a big boy and things do happen and I think he'll be fine...


    Call me a prude, but if he drove under the influence, I think he should get nailed for it and should get suspended. I like Lynch, and love the team, but some things are bigger than sports. Justice and public safety are among those things.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 5:57 am
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    Hawkboi wrote:I think we're talking about this more than his Attorney will have to talk with the Prosecuting Attorney to make a plea work things out and get Marshawn back in the game... Don't think he'll be suspended, it's not like it's the first or last in a case like this.... DUI might be dropped, the court system has more to deal with than this... a .08 or even a .10 is nothing compared to what most people leaving a bar or party can test for. No illeigal drugs in system and nobody hurt, and a good Attorney... He's a big boy and things do happen and I think he'll be fine...


    Call me a prude, but if he drove under the influence, I think he should get nailed for it and should get suspended. I like Lynch, and love the team, but some things are bigger than sports. Justice and public safety are among those things.


    Exactly!

    Not sure how anybody on here could feel otherwise, unless they like sharing the road with people who at any moment could change their lives forever in a negative way.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 6:00 am
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    McGruff wrote:Call me a prude, but if he drove under the influence, I think he should get nailed for it and should get suspended. I like Lynch, and love the team, but some things are bigger than sports. Justice and public safety are among those things.


    Exactly!

    Not sure how anybody on here could feel otherwise, unless they like sharing the road with people who at any moment could change their lives forever in a negative way.


    Now I feel dirty . . .
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Thu May 16, 2013 6:31 am
  • McGruff wrote:
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    McGruff wrote:Call me a prude, but if he drove under the influence, I think he should get nailed for it and should get suspended. I like Lynch, and love the team, but some things are bigger than sports. Justice and public safety are among those things.


    Exactly!

    Not sure how anybody on here could feel otherwise, unless they like sharing the road with people who at any moment could change their lives forever in a negative way.


    Now I feel dirty . . .


    No need to feel dirty man just because you have common sense.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 6:52 am
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    Blitzer88 wrote:Man I really hope he doesn't miss any games......especially the SF game in week 2. I think a stiff fine will suffice.


    I don't have any sympathy for individuals who choose to drink and drive, so I hope the judge makes an example of him. Which is something that California courts have been starting to do against Celeb's and those who appear to go on acting like the laws of "common men" don't apply to them.

    Since this isn't Lynch's first incident with drunk driving, I doubt that he gets let off easy.


    Actually I believe this is his first incident with drunk driving. He's gotten into trouble in the past for a weapons charge and a hit and run (drunk lady ran into the street, hit her at low speed, drove away).
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 6:54 am
  • While Lynch is undeniably a huge part of the team he is only one player. We have Turbin with a year under his belt and Mike Rob, who is a pretty good blocker and pass receiver.

    Michael may prove to be a load as well, so the running game for Seattle is in pretty good shape. Oh, Harvin can also line up in the backfield.

    We have multiple weapons to keep the ship sailing.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 10:47 am
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    Giedi wrote:Cheif Justice Earl Warren comes from Alameda, so that's got to say something about Alameda DA's.

    Complete and total non sequitur.

    Latin was never my strong suit. :mrgreen:

    If he loses his argument to keep the evidence out, it could be all she wrote. Just saying...
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 10:52 am
  • Largent80 wrote:While Lynch is undeniably a huge part of the team he is only one player. We have Turbin with a year under his belt and Mike Rob, who is a pretty good blocker and pass receiver.

    Michael may prove to be a load as well, so the running game for Seattle is in pretty good shape. Oh, Harvin can also line up in the backfield.

    We have multiple weapons to keep the ship sailing.

    There is an article that said the 'hawks are 20th in terms of the O-line. I think you have far and away one of the best offenses in the league this year at the skill positions. Where I think you guys fall short a bit - when comparing to the elite teams - is on the o-line. Useless to have a great WR, RB or QB if the O Line can't do it's job.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 10:55 am
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    Largent80 wrote:While Lynch is undeniably a huge part of the team he is only one player. We have Turbin with a year under his belt and Mike Rob, who is a pretty good blocker and pass receiver.

    Michael may prove to be a load as well, so the running game for Seattle is in pretty good shape. Oh, Harvin can also line up in the backfield.

    We have multiple weapons to keep the ship sailing.

    There is an article that said the 'hawks are 20th in terms of the O-line. I think you have far and away one of the best offenses in the league this year at the skill positions. Where I think you guys fall short a bit - when comparing to the elite teams - is on the o-line. Useless to have a great WR, RB or QB if the O Line can't do it's job.

    That rating should raise quite a bit just by experience and being together for that year.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 10:55 am
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    NinerLifer wrote:I don't have any sympathy for individuals who choose to drink and drive, so I hope the judge makes an example of him.

    I don't have any sympathy for hypocrites, so I hope you get busted for dui after having some cough syrup.

    I won't touch your immaturity of hoping I get pulled over for a DUI.

    Oh, and you are being completely mature. Got it.

    NinerLifer wrote:His lawyer said he blew 0.08, the police say he blew OVER it, but won't actually release the actual BAC level yet because it is one of their rules apparently according to an article I read. His lawyer is payed to do his job and create the sense of optimism. If you can't understand that....

    His job isn't to create a sense of optimism, it is to represent and defend his client. (If you can't understand that....)

    Your mind is obviously already made up about this. But just for the sake of the discussion, assume for a moment that Lynch's lawyer has his facts right, that Lynch blew exactly .08 at the scene, and then later blew over .08 at the station. Does that change your opinion at all? Or is your tirade directed not just at people who are over the legal limit, but also at people who are within the legal limit?

    Or to put it another way... if you could set the legal limit, what would it be?
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:11 am
  • BlueTalon wrote:I'm sure you are perfect, and have never done anything bad, so your perspective might be a little skewed. The legal limit used to be .10, and then it got reduced to .08. Your pompous argument reminds me of the ninnies back in the 70's and 80's who would complain about people going too fast in a 55mph zone, when the limit previously was 70mph and the roads were designed for 80+.

    It really doesn't matter what the legal limit is - if you drink at all you shouldn't be driving. There's also talk right now of lowering it to .05 which I would totally support. I'm still hoping Marshawn beats the charge though, but that's only because my Seahawk fandom usually outweighs my common sense.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:12 am
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    Giedi wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:While Lynch is undeniably a huge part of the team he is only one player. We have Turbin with a year under his belt and Mike Rob, who is a pretty good blocker and pass receiver.

    Michael may prove to be a load as well, so the running game for Seattle is in pretty good shape. Oh, Harvin can also line up in the backfield.

    We have multiple weapons to keep the ship sailing.

    There is an article that said the 'hawks are 20th in terms of the O-line. I think you have far and away one of the best offenses in the league this year at the skill positions. Where I think you guys fall short a bit - when comparing to the elite teams - is on the o-line. Useless to have a great WR, RB or QB if the O Line can't do it's job.

    That rating should raise quite a bit just by experience and being together for that year.

    True, but experience can't ward off injuries. You only added two O Linemen in this years draft, and it was in the 6th and 7th rounds. Aslo, I've read reports of your O line being injured during the 2012 year. Point being, you may have O-line talent but it's not deep and they are quite often injured (at least according to the article I read).
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:18 am
  • there is no legal limit.. if you blow .001 or over you can be charged and convicted of a DUI... it's a cash cow, and a huge part of all states economy.. It's a money making machine, hence the unconstitutional DUI check posts going on all over the country..this new law coming out to lower the legal limit is a joke.. what are they going to lower it to, .000, so if you have a bottle of water you're in danger of getting a DUI...

    i think drinking and driving is serious business as much as any, but when it becomes a business first over protecting and serving the community, that i have a problem with.. and know this:

    Every traffic stop is a DUI stop
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Thu May 16, 2013 11:21 am
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    BlueTalon wrote:I'm sure you are perfect, and have never done anything bad, so your perspective might be a little skewed. The legal limit used to be .10, and then it got reduced to .08. Your pompous argument reminds me of the ninnies back in the 70's and 80's who would complain about people going too fast in a 55mph zone, when the limit previously was 70mph and the roads were designed for 80+.

    It really doesn't matter what the legal limit is - if you drink at all you shouldn't be driving. There's also talk right now of lowering it to .05 which I would totally support. I'm still hoping Marshawn beats the charge though, but that's only because my Seahawk fandom usually outweighs my common sense.

    If it was just somebody like LadyTaloon (not saying she's ever had a DUI) but hypothedically speaking, if it was just an ordinary person, then I think he can beat the raps easy. but if he's a famous person, I think that makes a difference in the DA's eyes. They will make a harder effort to put him in jail to make an example out of him. It could be sorta like the OJ simson case - publicity-wise - all over again, and this time the NFL will not be happy about it.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:34 am
  • If it was just somebody like LadyTaloon (not saying she's ever had a DUI) but hypothedically speaking, if it was just an ordinary person, then I think he can beat the raps easy. but if he's a famous person, I think that makes a difference in the DA's eyes. They will make a harder effort to put him in jail to make an example out of him. It could be sorta like the OJ simson case - publicity-wise - all over again, and this time the NFL will not be happy about it.


    First of all he's not looking at any jail time, unless this is one of many DUI's.. if it's his first offense at the very most he's looking at 1 day in jail, 7 years probation, 2 years of alcohol classes, suspended license for 30 days, and all the fines and fee's associated with it.. And probably 2 games suspended..

    if it's his second or more and he was already on probation for another one, then yes he's screwed, but i've never seen that he's had one before this..

    this is just one of thousands of DUI cases the DA's office prosecutes every year in CA, pretty sure they don't have the time to go over this one with a fine tooth comb, just because he's a NFL player.. If found guilty he'll get the same thing i would get
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:38 am
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    BlueTalon wrote:I'm sure you are perfect, and have never done anything bad, so your perspective might be a little skewed. The legal limit used to be .10, and then it got reduced to .08. Your pompous argument reminds me of the ninnies back in the 70's and 80's who would complain about people going too fast in a 55mph zone, when the limit previously was 70mph and the roads were designed for 80+.

    It really doesn't matter what the legal limit is - if you drink at all you shouldn't be driving. There's also talk right now of lowering it to .05 which I would totally support. I'm still hoping Marshawn beats the charge though, but that's only because my Seahawk fandom usually outweighs my common sense.

    If it was just somebody like LadyTaloon (not saying she's ever had a DUI) but hypothedically speaking, if it was just an ordinary person, then I think he can beat the raps easy. but if he's a famous person, I think that makes a difference in the DA's eyes. They will make a harder effort to put him in jail to make an example out of him. It could be sorta like the OJ simson case - publicity-wise - all over again, and this time the NFL will not be happy about it.

    Marshawn is the man but I really don't think he's so famous that people in California will care which way it turns out, other than 49er fans. I mean, publicity-wise, I don't think coming down hard on him is going to send any loud message to the general public. And really, in my experience people with a lot of money have a way better chance of getting off than average joe's like LadyTalon.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:50 am
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    BlueTalon wrote:I don't have any sympathy for hypocrites, so I hope you get busted for dui after having some cough syrup.

    I won't touch your immaturity of hoping I get pulled over for a DUI.

    Oh, and you are being completely mature. Got it.

    NinerLifer wrote:His lawyer said he blew 0.08, the police say he blew OVER it, but won't actually release the actual BAC level yet because it is one of their rules apparently according to an article I read. His lawyer is payed to do his job and create the sense of optimism. If you can't understand that....

    His job isn't to create a sense of optimism, it is to represent and defend his client. (If you can't understand that....)

    Your mind is obviously already made up about this. But just for the sake of the discussion, assume for a moment that Lynch's lawyer has his facts right, that Lynch blew exactly .08 at the scene, and then later blew over .08 at the station. Does that change your opinion at all? Or is your tirade directed not just at people who are over the legal limit, but also at people who are within the legal limit?

    Or to put it another way... if you could set the legal limit, what would it be?


    I am starting to think that you have a personal experience with this, so I will tread lightly.

    However if you are suggesting that it is ok to drink and drive....

    The only opinion that I have on what the "legal" limit should be is that it should be at whatever is low enough to not cause any incapacitation to a driver. If you have drank enough to be swerving all over the road, like what was described when Lynch was pulled over for, then that is too much.

    And being a public figure, the California court system will most likely make an example out of him like they try to do to all public figures.

    And no my opinion doesn't change if he blew higher at the station vs what he did in the field. That only means that law enforcement did its job of getting a drunk driver off the road before his driving ability got worse and therefore increasing the likelihood of hurting himself or somebody else.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 11:59 am
  • it's a DUI case dude, not a double murder.. reel it in a bit my man... sounds like a whole lotta of wishful thinking.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 12:13 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:it's a DUI case dude, not a double murder.. reel it in a bit my man... sounds like a whole lotta of wishful thinking.


    I take it your not from California and familiar with all the celebrity types who the California judges enjoy establishig precedent against.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 12:32 pm
  • I take it you're not from Washington state, or Benton county, which has the toughest DUI laws in the state of washington which has the toughest DUI laws in the United states...

    The Judge cannot do anything to him that he can't or won't do to joe blow.. it's called discrimination...

    Your criminal case log is backed up, your jails are full, i don't see any extra efforts made in this one case out of thousands.. i would also suspect most people in CA outside of football fans wouldn't even recognize him if they were standing right next to him..So not sure how famous he really is.. If Frank Gore walked into a grocery store tomorrow, i don't know how many people would recognize him, i would think that number would be low..
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 12:54 pm
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    hawker84 wrote:it's a DUI case dude, not a double murder.. reel it in a bit my man... sounds like a whole lotta of wishful thinking.


    I take it your not from California and familiar with all the celebrity types who the California judges enjoy establishig precedent against.

    Ya just like Lindsay Lohan.
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Thu May 16, 2013 2:45 pm
  • NinerLifer wrote:I am starting to think that you have a personal experience with this, so I will tread lightly.

    However if you are suggesting that it is ok to drink and drive....

    The only opinion that I have on what the "legal" limit should be is that it should be at whatever is low enough to not cause any incapacitation to a driver. If you have drank enough to be swerving all over the road, like what was described when Lynch was pulled over for, then that is too much.

    And no my opinion doesn't change if he blew higher at the station vs what he did in the field. That only means that law enforcement did its job of getting a drunk driver off the road before his driving ability got worse and therefore increasing the likelihood of hurting himself or somebody else.

    I have no personal experience with DUI legal trouble. What I have is a pet peeve about people arbitrarily re-defining terms, and disregarding the law in favor of whatever the hell they want to substitute in its place.

    It has been my opinion from the very beginning that Lynch will likely plead guilty to reckless driving, if he doesn't get off entirely. How Goodell would respond to that is anybody's guess.

    I suppose I would have more understanding of your argument if you would also come down hard on people who talk on the phone, sneeze, yawn, eat a hamburger, who are just plain bad drivers and/or stupid, and anything else that causes them to drive over road turtles.

    Is it OK to drink and drive? Absolutely it is -- as long as the people doing so are doing it responsibly. Meaning they wait a suitable amount of time after having their last drink, and don't drive intoxicated (BAC below the legal limit, not swerving etc.).
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  • Giedi wrote:If it was just somebody like LadyTalon...

    Just FYI, LadyTalon and I are two different people. She's cute, I'm not.
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Thu May 16, 2013 4:09 pm
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    NinerLifer wrote:I am starting to think that you have a personal experience with this, so I will tread lightly.

    However if you are suggesting that it is ok to drink and drive....

    The only opinion that I have on what the "legal" limit should be is that it should be at whatever is low enough to not cause any incapacitation to a driver. If you have drank enough to be swerving all over the road, like what was described when Lynch was pulled over for, then that is too much.

    And no my opinion doesn't change if he blew higher at the station vs what he did in the field. That only means that law enforcement did its job of getting a drunk driver off the road before his driving ability got worse and therefore increasing the likelihood of hurting himself or somebody else.

    I have no personal experience with DUI legal trouble. What I have is a pet peeve about people arbitrarily re-defining terms, and disregarding the law in favor of whatever the hell they want to substitute in its place.

    It has been my opinion from the very beginning that Lynch will likely plead guilty to reckless driving, if he doesn't get off entirely. How Goodell would respond to that is anybody's guess.

    I suppose I would have more understanding of your argument if you would also come down hard on people who talk on the phone, sneeze, yawn, eat a hamburger, who are just plain bad drivers and/or stupid, and anything else that causes them to drive over road turtles.

    Is it OK to drink and drive? Absolutely it is -- as long as the people doing so are doing it responsibly. Meaning they wait a suitable amount of time after having their last drink, and don't drive intoxicated (BAC below the legal limit, not swerving etc.).


    Got ya. Oh don't get me started on my opinion of whether or not people should be able to drive while eating or doing whatever else with one of their hands. ;)

    In California it is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone unless it is with a hands free device. Same in Washington? Here in Arizona people are allowed to drive while holding their cell phone up to their ear, but not text. But also in Arizona you aren't required to wear a helmet while driving a motorcycle, which took a lot of time to get used to after moving here from California.

    Again this whole thread is just speculation, but what else are we going to do with our time during the offseason. ;)

    Hopefully for your teams sake he isn't suspended. It's just my opinion based off of what I learned from living in California for 31 years that he won't get off Scott free, and it has been reported that Goodell will suspend him even if he plea bargains. From what I read it doesn't sound like the evidence will be dismissed either.
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 4:10 pm
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 8:22 pm
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    Giedi wrote:If it was just somebody like LadyTalon...

    Just FYI, LadyTalon and I are two different people. She's cute, I'm not.

    I'm not even touching that one. Either way I answer, I'll be banned. :mrgreen:
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Re: marshawn's dui case ..june 21.
Thu May 16, 2013 9:25 pm
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    Giedi wrote:If it was just somebody like LadyTalon...

    Just FYI, LadyTalon and I are two different people. She's cute, I'm not.

    I'm not even touching that one. Either way I answer, I'll be banned. :mrgreen:

    Why? LT is a woman and BT is...well a curmudgeon. :mrgreen:
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