Is PC's competition mantra too much pressure on the players?

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  • In light of the Irvin suspension, I cannot help but speculate is PC's attitude towards competition forcing the players to feel like they need to break the rules in order to make the roster. Other than Sherman, all of the 6 current or former players suspended for PED under PCJS were 2nd and 3rd stringers; in other words all those suspended were those who were backup/depth players who have been made no promises for job security unless they bring it each and every day.

    While I love the competition attitude and the way that it has resulted in a talented, dynamic roster that can contend for the NFC, I feel this might be an unintended consequence of PC's philosophy of competition.

    What do u think 12's? Is this totally crazy? Am I just trying to pin Irvin's dumb mistake on his team's leadership?

    After the whole team saw Sherman's luck in avoiding a suspension last year why would anybody risk taking Adderll and risking a suspension and hurting the team? The only reason I can come up with is that Bruce felt he needed an edge to make it. I wonder if this is the downside to "Always Compete".
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  • I'm thinking its more of being young and stupid. Our team is young
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  • entropyrulesall wrote:Other than Sherman, all of the 6 current or former players suspended for PED under PCJS were 2nd and 3rd stringers; in other words all those suspended were those who were backup/depth players who have been made no promises for job security unless they bring it each and every day.


    Browner is a 2nd or 3rd stringer? That's news to me.

    The competition mantra certainly DOES put pressure on everyone to overachieve, so in that sense, every player is looking over their shoulders, knowing there is always a chance the "next guy steps up"....and takes their place....starter or otherwise.

    I think that's the way it should be though. Compete or go home. I admired the Ruskell "sentiment" at the time, but soon came to hate the goody-two-shoes crap that ended up making our team into a hollow shell filled with high character, low talent losers. I also agree that this is starting to make us look bad. What are Pete and John going to do? It's gotta be SOMETHING.
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  • It's one of those things that can potentially be a trade-off of sorts. His mantra can instill a singular purpose into a player's understanding of himself. When violinists identify themselves as musicians and that their craft is basically a part of their personal identity, scientists have discovered it tends to result in them practicing more efficiently than those who do not make such distinctions about themselves, regardless of their skill level.

    It's possible PC's various slogans, like Earn Everything, Win Forever, and his primary mantra, Always Compete, and the general attitude he exudes have a similar effect on the players, leading them to practice more efficiently and whatever other benefits that offers. This would explain parts of the edge and prideful nastiness we've taken up under PC, particularly the with much less coached, but renegade and ass kicking nonetheless, 3rd and 4th stringers of last pre-season.

    But even solid methods have fall-out. The Japanese educational systems are noted for how well their students perform academically. They're also noted for how many commit suicide under the tremendous pressures. If Irvin is cutting corners because he doesn't think he can hack the competition of PC's system remains to be seen, but it's definitely an interesting concern to think about and certainly not as outlandish as some might suggest.
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  • Every team has a similar level of competition. Every team has a certain number of players who can start, and a certain number of players who are on the team at all. (IE: 100 players might be at training camp with only 53 spots) All players on ever team have to compete to win those select few spots. Just because Pete says the word "competition" more than any other coach doesn't mean every other team doesn't have the same struggle and pressure on players to perform and earn playing time.

    So overall, a ridiculous opinion, imo.
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  • Nice points, BirdsCommaAngry. I've always liked research papers that utilized sources from different fields (like psychological study results to make points in a literary paper, etc). The Japanese example really slams your points home. The pressure to be elite is so far beyond our comprehension, but I think ultimately it will be a worthwhile price to pay to remain annually at the contender level. I certainly don't want to sound cold or unsympathetic to the fallout that causes to the people who end up caving to that pressure, but I would still rather have the team that we have right now than any we've ever had before........simply no contest there.

    That DOES bring up the issue of Pete Carroll's ethics (wondering if he's silently or even worse yet OPENLY condoning this behavior - by way of omission). I never bought the Pete the Cheat crap out there that just drips with the odor of jealousy at an opposing coach's success, but the frequency of this occurring is starting to concern me a bit.

    The whole concept of drug use in pro sports certainly is old news and I'm not one of those who feels it creates a horrible moral/ethical crisis (go find some REAL heroes to hold up as role models, like firefighters or something!). However I'll be concerned if this exposes a general pattern of bad decision-making (ie one DUI could be just bad luck or at least stupidity that they end up learning from - but multiple brushes with the law equals serious red flags). I sure hope that's ends up not being the case!
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  • If it is too much pressure then they're awful and I hope we cut every single one of them.

    Of course, I don't beleive for one second that this had anything to do with Pete's Mantra.
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  • therealjohncarlson wrote:Every team has a similar level of competition. Every team has a certain number of players who can start, and a certain number of players who are on the team at all. (IE: 100 players might be at training camp with only 53 spots) All players on ever team have to compete to win those select few spots. Just because Pete says the word "competition" more than any other coach doesn't mean every other team doesn't have the same struggle and pressure on players to perform and earn playing time.

    So overall, a ridiculous opinion, imo.


    Can't disagree with anything you said. Although it at least FEELS like Pete has found a way to ramp up the pressure somehow so that it's felt more than it does at at least most of the other 31 teams. Of course that could be wishful thinking on my part :)

    Hopefully not though. Pete seems to have come up with a literally winning formula that he's now successfully transferred to the NFL level. I'd fervently hoped that would happen when I first heard he was hired.
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  • I find it interesting that so many people are piling on the player at this point. Clearly, there is absolutely an advantage to the player if he is not caught, so it could be he acted on his own.

    What is not clear is whether or not the decision was influenced at all, or whether he might not have acted on his own. We don't know.

    2 or 3 people having a problem can be explained away but 6+ is usually the indicator of something systemic.

    It certainly hints at it, enough that piling on the player for being "stupid" might not be correct. If this was a one-off thing, one would expect that a clutch of teammates getting caught would dissuade/frighten a potential violator. That all that happened and someone continued to engage in violations tends to hint at something else, perhaps someone just caught in a process.

    If this was not the Seahawks and I was looking at this impartially there is no way I would believe that 6+ players could engage in this behavior without at least some knowledge of the coaching staff.

    I am sure we have all been placed in situations professionally where we were asked/demanded to do something that outwardly the boss would profess to be against, but that in reality the boss was actively encouraging.

    I am not saying that was in the case in this instance, but I am saying I doubt this was just Irvin acting alone.

    In the security field, when the C-levels would know about risks, do nothing about them, and then make sure there was no trail that would point to their knowing, they would call trying to keep Plausible Deniability. Nobody wants proof in place that they knew about a violation, or worse encouraged it.

    The # of violations points to either a pattern or something systemic. I really doubt this was all Irvin "just being dumb".
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:In the security field, when the C-levels would know about risks, do nothing about them, and then make sure there was no trail that would point to their knowing, they would call trying to keep Plausible Deniability. Nobody wants proof in place that they knew about a violation, or worse encouraged it.


    Unfortunately that's true, whether in the Medical field, the corporate world or even in the Military (I've seen it while working in all those situations). It's sometimes called being a professional scapegoat (or the old phrase about shit rolling downhill). I'm not ready to believe something like that in Irvin's case (it just feels at this point like carelessness on his part), at least until more details come out. I guess in this dead space of the off season, such news might be all we get for a while. Sucks if such negativity is all we have to look forward to for a while.
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  • I just want to clarify that I love what the competition mantra has done to our team and am currently reading Pete Carroll's book "Win Forever". This isn't about the coaches being culpable for PED use by the players, at least I hope to God they aren't; I'm wondering if this might be an unintended consequence of the coach's philosophy of competition or else.
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  • Although high competition may have been a motivator in his decision, ultimately each person has a choice as to how they react to competition. To suggest that the "always compete" mantra caused him to do this is passing the buck. Too often we try to blame others or our circumstances for our poor choices. I believe his choice was a reflection on the character of the young man, not a reflection on the organization.
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  • In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?
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  • NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


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  • I believe it is possible it could be an unintended consequence of the Always Compete mantra, but only for players not mentally tough enough for this team, which would imply PC/JS didn't do a thorough enough pre-draft interview with him.

    As far as the notion of it being encouraged by the coaches in any way, I couldn't disagree more. It would be as bad as the Saints bounty scandal, and impossible to hide forever, with possibly similar consequences.
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  • Throwdown wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


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    I agree.

    I imagine that this MB would go into complete meltdown if a report came out that showed RW tested positive for PED's next.
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  • Woof, really?

    No, OP, almost all players try to get an edge in any way they can. This is the highest level of the game and a whole lot of money is at stake. You only get one or MAAAAAYBE two shots at a big contract if you are lucky.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


    6 guys out of 53 + practice squad over two years I would say no. It takes far more players than that to put a contender on the field. These just happen to be the lowest in the IQ ranking of the entire group. These aren't mistakes these are decisions made by players that don't have the brains of a jackass.
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  • Alcohol is a drug; it's well known that overuse of this drug can lead to seriously negative consequences. This does not stop people from abusing alcohol or drinking and driving. Some of us eat too much junk food (I'm looking in the mirror on that one). Some stay out partying too late when they have to work the next day. What's the point? Sometimes people do stupid things, even when they know better.

    While I agree that six positive Adderall tests in the program is not a good thing, I'm not willing to jump to conclusions that there's some conspiracy or concerted effort by management and coaches to skirt or ignore the rules (as some people have suggested).

    Obviously team management and the coaching staff are likely going to have to increase education, but even that doesn't guarantee success. One of the great ironies of the USC fiasco with Reggie Bush was that the NCAA actually stated that USC did a good job of educating players and their families about the rules. Obviously that education was ignored by Reggie and his family. Likewise, Pete and the Seahawks are not going to be able to babysit all the players, all of whom are grown men who must be held accountable for their own actions.

    As to the question of whether Pete's Always Compete approach causes added stress that can lead to some guys wanting to take shortcuts, anything is possible. However, I think it's no more likely than the stress of competing on any other NFL team. NFL football has become a big business. The difference between starting and not starting could mean a lot financially to a player. That's true whether that player is a Seahawk, a Patriot, a 49er, a Raven, or a member of some other team.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


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    I agree.

    I imagine that this MB would go into complete meltdown if a report came out that showed RW tested positive for PED's next.


    No, we would just assume PED's are a naturally occurring phenomena in RW's super human bloodstream . . .
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  • sc85sis wrote:Alcohol is a drug; it's well known that overuse of this drug can lead to seriously negative consequences. This does not stop people from abusing alcohol or drinking and driving. Some of us eat too much junk food (I'm looking in the mirror on that one). Some stay out partying too late when they have to work the next day. What's the point? Sometimes people do stupid things, even when they know better.

    While I agree that six positive Adderall tests in the program is not a good thing, I'm not willing to jump to conclusions that there's some conspiracy or concerted effort by management and coaches to skirt or ignore the rules (as some people have suggested).

    Obviously team management and the coaching staff are likely going to have to increase education, but even that doesn't guarantee success. One of the great ironies of the USC fiasco with Reggie Bush was that the NCAA actually stated that USC did a good job of educating players and their families about the rules. Obviously that education was ignored by Reggie and his family. Likewise, Pete and the Seahawks are not going to be able to babysit all the players, all of whom are grown men who must be held accountable for their own actions.

    As to the question of whether Pete's Always Compete approach causes added stress that can lead to some guys wanting to take shortcuts, anything is possible. However, I think it's no more likely than the stress of competing on any other NFL team. NFL football has become a big business. The difference between starting and not starting could mean a lot financially to a player. That's true whether that player is a Seahawk, a Patriot, a 49er, a Raven, or a member of some other team.


    Six adderall tests is not true.

    Three proven tests for adderall. One was prescribed but not reported to the NFL. Moffitt NEEDS adderall. We all can see that!

    Two tests were for pot. One (guy) was never reported.

    And keep in mind, we don't know that any of these guys actually took adderall . . . Or something worse.
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  • Jesus Christ!!!!!

    All coaches preach competition to their players!

    Is the original poster suggesting Pete is the only one? Hmmm lets talk some real heavy duty coaches that pounded competition to their players and had great success on the field and in the locker roo.

    #1 example. Vince Lombardi. The original hard knocks manager didn't even allow his players to use water during training camp drills.

    #2 example. George Halas. Another hard charger that probably helped teach Lombardi.

    #3 example. The Tuna himself. One of the best of getting into the heads of his players .

    #4 example. Jimmy Johnson. Legendary head case coach pushing his players all the time no matter who they were and where they were on the team.

    #5 example. Again from Seattle Chuck Knox. Knox was such a head case that he would go on the field and show his players how to block. Tho he never got to a SB he was again one of the hardest on his players to ever put on coaches sweats.


    So if our players are more intimidated by Pete then they are more babys than some believe.

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  • If our players don't understand that you can compete and work hard without cheating then they don't belong here. The compete theory is great, I appreciate your thought but I also think it's ridiculous.
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  • I love that everyone assumes that Adderall is being used for practice/game reasons and not that its one of the most popular drugs for young kids who like to party through the night.

    Chances are just as good, if not greater, that Irvin just took some with some buddies before clubbing. Its usually out of your system after 48 hours, so he must have thought he could chance it. Got caught. Dumb choice a young kid made. He'll learn. Im sure more then half of us have done our share of no-no's when we were in our young 20's.
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  • I think it is a factor, but not a "cause" if you will. It happens all over the league, and I suspect that "star" players get a bit of a pass sometimes for PR reasons. No, that doesn't mean that the world is out to get our Seahawks in some bizarre drug entrapment conspiracy either, but when players emerge out of seemingly nowhere like those on our team did, it probably raises suspicions. Note the Whiner fans coming out of the woodwork on this. They don't want to believe we actually beat them, they want to believe we cheated. This gives them ammo to tease, but not a lot of real ammo to accuse.

    Competition and drugs are rampant in sports, all sports. And the more money involved, the worse it gets. Frankly, I think management and coaching many times take a don't ask, don't tell attitude about this. Do PC&JS do so? Seems doubtful.
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  • Cartire wrote:Chances are just as good, if not greater, that Irvin just took some with some buddies before clubbing. Its usually out of your system after 48 hours, so he must have thought he could chance it. Got caught. Dumb choice a young kid made. He'll learn. Im sure more then half of us have done our share of no-no's when we were in our young 20's.


    This is pretty much my thinking, barring any further info coming in, which, if the system works the way it SHOULD work, we won't
    ever hear anything about (unlike in Browner and Sherm's case - a case where I think a investigation would've been warranted to sanction whoever leaked that confidential info).

    No, I don't think this situation is anything systemic or inherent in this front office, there's simply nothing to warrant such an assumption (other than an agenda against our team by opposing fans, etc). I DO think that the frequency of these incidents occurring is starting to look bad and is going to force our front office to perhaps do something big PR-wise to demonstrate there is no appearance of impropriety (it's getting to that point anyways). I know I have a vested interest in seeing PC in the most positive light, and I know the pressure is on every single team to push the boundaries to find some sort of edge (that's inherently built into the system), but my radar really doesn't think Pete is dumb enough to do anything so blatantly wrong......I just don't get that "vibe" off of him.

    I also have to add that we could use HISTORY as an example to vouch for Pete's integrity. Other than the spurious speculations of the "Pete the Cheat" crowd, with their built in agenda, no concrete, tangible wrong-doings were ever placed on him during the Reggie Bush scandal.....and there were a lot of people wanting REALLY REALLY badly to find something to pin on him. I say if there was something that could stick....they would've found it.
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  • I disagree that there is any abnormal pressure to compete, and doubly disagree that competition is a major factor. As someone mentioned earlier, Adderall use is wide-spread among the younger generations. I saw the same situation when the Navy started really cracking down on Marijuana use in the early eighties. People were so used to smoking the stuff, and it was so integral to there lifestyle, that they just brushed off all of the warnings prior to implementation of mandatory testing. We last half of the technicians in our tron shop because guy were either willing to take the risk, or maybe didn't believe they would get caught. Very frustrating.
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  • If it is too much for a player, they should reconsider their career...


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  • I do not believe that the "always compete, win forever, earn everything" competition mantras create too much pressure on the players. Nor do I believe that it causes them to feel that they need an edge to secure a roster spot on this team.

    I do believe that instead of turning to Adderall or any other 'usual suspects that result in a suspension' supplements, the Seattle players that are feeling a little foggy in the mornings, and are interested in adding some much needed focus, should... invest some of that big contract fat cash into a really really nice coffee pot, &/or go on down to the Starbucks on the way to the office, like the rest of us... :!:
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  • gargantual wrote:
    Cartire wrote:Chances are just as good, if not greater, that Irvin just took some with some buddies before clubbing. Its usually out of your system after 48 hours, so he must have thought he could chance it. Got caught. Dumb choice a young kid made. He'll learn. Im sure more then half of us have done our share of no-no's when we were in our young 20's.


    This is pretty much my thinking, barring any further info coming in, which, if the system works the way it SHOULD work, we won't
    ever hear anything about (unlike in Browner and Sherm's case - a case where I think a investigation would've been warranted to sanction whoever leaked that confidential info).

    No, I don't think this situation is anything systemic or inherent in this front office, there's simply nothing to warrant such an assumption (other than an agenda against our team by opposing fans, etc). I DO think that the frequency of these incidents occurring is starting to look bad and is going to force our front office to perhaps do something big PR-wise to demonstrate there is no appearance of impropriety (it's getting to that point anyways). I know I have a vested interest in seeing PC in the most positive light, and I know the pressure is on every single team to push the boundaries to find some sort of edge (that's inherently built into the system), but my radar really doesn't think Pete is dumb enough to do anything so blatantly wrong......I just don't get that "vibe" off of him.

    I also have to add that we could use HISTORY as an example to vouch for Pete's integrity. Other than the spurious speculations of the "Pete the Cheat" crowd, with their built in agenda, no concrete, tangible wrong-doings were ever placed on him during the Reggie Bush scandal.....and there were a lot of people wanting REALLY REALLY badly to find something to pin on him. I say if there was something that could stick....they would've found it.


    I don't believe that Pete is stupid enough to intentionally do anything that is against NFL policy in order to get an advantage on the field. However, given the history of rules being broken around him since his days at USC and his short time in Seattle, I do believe that he isn't keeping a close enough eye on the team which is part of his job description. In this way, he is at fault.

    Some might say he is aware of the illegal activities that go on around him and is choosing to ignore them, but that is just premature to assume.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    I don't believe that Pete is stupid enough to intentionally do anything that is against NFL policy in order to get an advantage on the field. However, given the history of rules being broken around him since his days at USC and his short time in Seattle, I do believe that he isn't keeping a close enough eye on the team which is part of his job description. In this way, he is at fault.

    Some might say he is aware of the illegal activities that go on around him and is choosing to ignore them, but that is just premature to assume.



    I completely hate the USC tie in. I think he was more of a scapegoat than ever for that situation. The biggest issue there was Bush, and that had way more to do with his (illegal) agent and his father. Not Pete. Only cause pete got hired by the Hawks, and then that year, the investigation came out (which took forever unlike any other investigation ever), and everyone assumed that Pete fled the scene. Ignorance.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


    Hate to break it to you, but I bet a lot of your players are popping PED's too. They just haven't been caught.

    I think it's hilarious the NFL is cracking down on ADDERALL of all things, while HGH use has never been more apparent.
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    NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


    Hate to break it to you, but I bet a lot of your players are popping PED's too. They just haven't been caught.

    I think it's hilarious the NFL is cracking down on ADDERALL of all things, while HGH use has never been more apparent.


    While I am not ignorant enough to believe that a league full of HUGE guys doesn't have a widespread issue with PED's, I don't think that you can immediately claim that EVERY other team does it just because yours does.

    Lets spin it your way just for fun though. :)

    Do you suppose the reason why your team seems to have a bigger problem with PED's than 30 other teams, that it is possibly because there are too many young guys on your team and not enough experienced vets who could have taught them how to not get caught? :th2thumbs:
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  • No. It has nothing to do with competition. The players know damn well what they can and cannot take. No excuse.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:
    NinerLifer wrote:In light of the growing popularity With PED's in your guys locker room, do you guys think that your teams sudden emergence as a contender and the coinciding positive drug tests on your team go hand in hand, or just a coincidence?


    Do you suppose the reason why your team seems to have a bigger problem with PED's than 30 other teams, that it is possibly because there are too many young guys on your team and not enough experienced vets who could have taught them how to not get caught? :th2thumbs:


    Definitely the second one. Plus, SF has been a major counterculture and drug center for decades, so there's simply a lot more skill in the area in not getting caught, not to mention the Law Enforcement that is around happily looks the other way. And all you guys ever game us was Mike Robinson, a Joe Paterno Penn Stater, for gosh sake. (Before Joe Pa got tainted by all the crap.) How the hell is Robinson going to teach our guys not to get caught?
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  • I think this could have quite a bit to do with it. I think players want to get better some bad on this team tat they are choosing to put themselves at risk for suspension just to get a small competitive edge.
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  • entropyrulesall wrote:In light of the Irvin suspension, I cannot help but speculate is PC's attitude towards competition forcing the players to feel like they need to break the rules in order to make the roster. Other than Sherman, all of the 6 current or former players suspended for PED under PCJS were 2nd and 3rd stringers; in other words all those suspended were those who were backup/depth players who have been made no promises for job security unless they bring it each and every day.

    While I love the competition attitude and the way that it has resulted in a talented, dynamic roster that can contend for the NFC, I feel this might be an unintended consequence of PC's philosophy of competition.

    What do u think 12's? Is this totally crazy? Am I just trying to pin Irvin's dumb mistake on his team's leadership?

    After the whole team saw Sherman's luck in avoiding a suspension last year why would anybody risk taking Adderll and risking a suspension and hurting the team? The only reason I can come up with is that Bruce felt he needed an edge to make it. I wonder if this is the downside to "Always Compete".


    I think it's a legit concern. The following article lends itself to the idea that Pete might belive that the athletes come first and that the rules come in second, and that winning is all that matters. Anyway, it was an interesting read on Pete's mindset regarding competition.

    Carroll realizes he's a bit of an "odd man out" when it comes to NFL coaches. It's not that he thinks outside of the box; it's more like he has no idea where the box is, what it looks like or why anyone would care what people in the box say.

    When asked to describe his philosophy, Carroll replied: "It's about being the very best you can be. Nothing else matters as long as you're working and striving to be your best. Always compete. It's truly that simple. Find the way to do your best. Compete in everything you do."



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  • Hawkfan77 wrote:I'm gonna go with no


    Yah :roll: That'd be a NO for me too.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    entropyrulesall wrote:In light of the Irvin suspension, I cannot help but speculate is PC's attitude towards competition forcing the players to feel like they need to break the rules in order to make the roster. Other than Sherman, all of the 6 current or former players suspended for PED under PCJS were 2nd and 3rd stringers; in other words all those suspended were those who were backup/depth players who have been made no promises for job security unless they bring it each and every day.

    While I love the competition attitude and the way that it has resulted in a talented, dynamic roster that can contend for the NFC, I feel this might be an unintended consequence of PC's philosophy of competition.

    What do u think 12's? Is this totally crazy? Am I just trying to pin Irvin's dumb mistake on his team's leadership?

    After the whole team saw Sherman's luck in avoiding a suspension last year why would anybody risk taking Adderll and risking a suspension and hurting the team? The only reason I can come up with is that Bruce felt he needed an edge to make it. I wonder if this is the downside to "Always Compete".


    I think it's a legit concern. The following article lends itself to the idea that Pete might belive that the athletes come first and that the rules come in second, and that winning is all that matters. Anyway, it was an interesting read on Pete's mindset regarding competition.

    Carroll realizes he's a bit of an "odd man out" when it comes to NFL coaches. It's not that he thinks outside of the box; it's more like he has no idea where the box is, what it looks like or why anyone would care what people in the box say.

    When asked to describe his philosophy, Carroll replied: "It's about being the very best you can be. Nothing else matters as long as you're working and striving to be your best. Always compete. It's truly that simple. Find the way to do your best. Compete in everything you do."



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