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What grade do Pete and John earn?

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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:24 pm
  • B. This was a BPA draft due to the overall lack of talent. Adding a 24 year old proven playmaker with the Harvin trade could really push this a little higher. I like the fact that we should be set at RB for a while. If one of them develops quickly, you potentially added trade material. Love the DT picks and the CB pick up. Overall, a draft that you can't be too mad at.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:31 pm
  • A.

    The Harvin trade looks better now than it did at the time (and it looked good then).

    Addressed the interior defensive line. A great need as we had only a single viable starter and 4 depth guys. People are down on the Jordan Hill pick but forget we play a hybrid scheme where he fits better on our team than in a conventional 4-3 3 tech spot. He could be a back-up at both Red and Mebane's positions while Williams would basically play where Branch did last year.

    Filled offensive depth needs at every skill position (except QB). We would have to get in a lot of injury trouble on offense for it to be very noticeable - which was not the case before (think of an injury to Marshawn, M-Rob or Zach Miller) - there would be a very noticeable drop in talent.

    Grabbed value in the 5th and 7th rounds.

    Snuck in Browner's replacement and K.J. Wright depth for good measure.

    The only thing this team is missing right now is a good FS back-up for Earl. Besides Wilson, he is our most important player without a truly viable back-up.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:04 pm
  • Too soon to tell.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:09 pm
  • Christine Michael was flying up the draft boards and a lot of teams were really excited with his abilities. Some mock drafts had him going late in the 1st round and I almost thought for sure he wouldn't make it past Detroit in the 2nd. I honestly didn't think he'd make it to our pick, unless we traded up for him. Well... We got him and he's in the perfect situation. With Lynch and Turbin, Michael can be a light-duty back and completely rehabilitate his injuries before stepping into a feature role. I look for him to really press the issue for at the RB position in a year or two.

    Jesse Williams and Jordan Hill will shore up our defensive line with Mebane and Scruggs. Williams is another guy I honestly thought we wouldn't land in the 2nd round, much less pick him up in round 5. Jesse Williams will prove to be the steal of the draft. He's a monster that can really create problems for offensive lines. Jordan Hill went about where I thought he would, but I think he's going to make a big impact in the NFL as an interior pass rusher.

    Chris Harper... Well... If he can be productive with Collin Klein throwing to him, he'll have a field day with someone like Russell Wilson throwing to him. I'm sorry, but Klein has one of the most inaccurate arms in the draft and a receiver has to make some impossible adjustments at times to catch his passes, which Harper did on a regular basis. Iowa also has one of the most run oriented offenses in the college ranks, so his lacking statistics don't bother me that much. Look for Harper to surprise the NFL when he has a real QB throwing the ball to him.

    Tharold Simon... Sounds a lot like Richard Sherman... Converted WR with great ball skills. His drill numbers might not be that impressive, but he's a guy that's real hard to complete passes against on the field and he will make quarterbacks pay if they try to target him on a consistent basis. While his press and footwork could improve, he doesn't give up big plays. This kid could have a lot of teams kicking themselves for not taking him.

    Luke Willson - Good god... How does John Schneider and Pete Carroll find these guys. This kid just may give Zach Miller a run for his money. His performance at his pro day was absolutely outstanding and he's been a primary receiving target at Rice for the last 3 years. If he gets comfortable at the NFL level, he could be a pro bowl caliber TE in the mold of Gronkowski and Gonzales.

    These 6 guys will, most likely, be solid to superb starting players in a couple of years, if not sooner, and this is the reason why I give PC and JS an A on this draft. Adding Bowie, Powell, Ware and Smith in the late rounds was just frosting on the cake.

    On edit: Also notice a trend with PC and JS... They like guys that've converted and played multiple positions at a high level at the high school and college level. In other words... They like football players, not one dimensional players that've been stuck at one position their entire football life.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:25 pm
  • I've learned my lesson, I'm not even trying to attempt a draft grade this year, they can just have a default A+ until proven otherwise. Every year they make picks that make me go "huh?", then they turn out to be Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, KJ Wright, etc.

    The fun part is knowing that there's at least one Sherman/Kam/KJ in this class that's going to blow us away...so who is it?
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:54 pm
  • First - let me say that this front office is as good at drafting as any in the league. With that said, let me put on my "I know better than them" hat.

    Short-term, I see lots of roster spots but minimal contributions. Michael will get some carries and DTs will see the field. Outside of that, I think it will take injuries and ST for this group to contribute in 2013.

    Mid-term. There are oodles of potential starters. I think it will take a couple years for this group to grow into its skin a bit, but in a few years, I think there are 4+ legit, long-term starters from the group.

    Pro-Bowlers. This group has a ton of upside, and the huge collection of picks means that we could throw the dice lots of times. I expect to hit on 1-2 as a Pro Bowler.

    Filling Needs. Although I don't see big contributions this year, I think those contributions will be where we need them - DL rotations, spelling Lynch, and warm bodies at a few other spots.

    Trades/Moves. Don't sleep on that trade-down in the second! I think that was a small, subtle, but important move... and let us throw the dice a few more times.

    Overall: B+ (not considering Harvin or the 1st).
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:02 pm
  • It's an easy A.

    In three seasons we went from probably the worst roster in the entire league to everybody's favourite preseason Superbowl pick and most of that rebuilding was done through the draft.
    I think PC&JS have earned the right to go through this draft without a single pick being debated or questioned.
    They drafted multiple pro bowlers in their first draft and have drafted at least one pro bowler in every other draft, they've drafted guys in the 5th round that are All-pro. Last year they took two guys who SHOULD have won offensive and defensive rookie of the year and neither one cost a first round pick. In fact, of all the guys drafted in the three previous drafts only about 5 or 6 aren't on our über talented (25 seconds from the championship game) squad and yet I'm still reading comments by morons on this board who dont understand some of the seletions and think we could have had done better with this draft.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:24 pm
  • Grading the draft now is like reviewing a movie based on its cast before filming has even begun.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:39 pm
  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Grading the draft now is like reviewing a movie based on its cast before filming has even begun.


    That's actually a pretty good analogy.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:40 pm
  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Grading the draft now is like reviewing a movie based on its cast before filming has even begun.


    There's never a shortage of opinions on this board!! ;)
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:52 pm
  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Grading the draft now is like reviewing a movie based on its cast before filming has even begun.

    Very good point.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:54 pm
  • Compared to what I wished would happen, I give it a C, not factoring in Harvin.

    PC and JS have much more knowledge of schemes, team need, and individual players available then I do, thankfully.

    In 3 years, I doubt this draft will hold a candle to the mother of all Seahawk drafts in '12, but PC and co. will probably reap significant reward and leave me looking dumb.

    Not really down on this draft haul, just out of the loop and hoping all this ends with a super bowl win.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:37 pm
  • A++
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:31 am
  • C+.

    I loved the Christine Michael pick. Based on the PC/JS press conference, I think I'm actually higher on that pick than they were themselves.

    I like Jordan Hill. Thought better DTs were available and I thought they could have gotten Hill later. JS himself intimated that it was a bit of a panic pick.

    I did not like the Bryce Harper pick. His tape is terrible. I like his physical upside, and in some other drafts I'd be okay with a flawed project like him in the 4th, but there were more polished WRs with better tools that they passed on to take him. Headscratcher. Maybe Harper ends up great regardless, but I still didn't like the value/decision.

    I love Jesse Williams the player but I wasn't keen on drafting another Red Bryant super early. Early 5th seemed like a good place to get one, and Williams is easily a 1st round talent for that type of role. Easily. Everything about him other than football is awesome, too (mullet-hawk, facepaint, Aussy, whole family got tattoos in his honor). Pick grew on me.

    I really like the Tharold Simon pick. He's a much more exciting prospect than Jeremy Lane or Byron Maxwell were the last couple years. Simon's on a totally different level. I had a 2nd round grade on him. A lot of people did. He's got some character concerns, but I love his fit in our system and his tools are some of the best in this draft.

    Even though Seattle technically traded up for Williams, in Schneider's mind he was trading up for Simon because if not for the trade up they would have just taken Jesse Williams with that early 5th. Schneider had a Freudian slip during his conference, saying that the trade up was for Simon and not Williams.

    I liked the Ty Powell pick, but on the downside, I'm guessing he's more likely to be a PS guy than make our roster.

    Spencer Ware is growing on me, FAST. He's a monster pass blocker, a great receiver, and, as crazy as this sounds, I think his balance, agility, and resilience are all at least as good as Marshawn Lynch, maybe better. He's got a ton of power, too. Only thing he lacks is speed. If he ran a 4.40, he'd be a megastar. I figured he had to be good when Seattle spent a SECOND pick on a RB, and after watching him, I totally get it. He's a special player, though he's currently roster fringe, obviously. I think he's very similar to Chris Ivory, but I personally like Ware even more.

    The rest of the picks I didn't care for. Felt like wasted picks, but lets see what kind of magic Tom Cable works.

    I liked the LBs they got in UDFA, particularly Craig Wilkins.

    The reason I didn't give a higher grade despite them having some players I like is because I see a lot of backups, rotational players, and specialists in this group. The only player of the bunch that I feel really excited about as a potential megastar is Christine Michael, and he's got some hurdles to overcome before he gets there, not to mention he's part of what I think is the best group of running backs in the NFL, so there's a lot of competition for him to beat. I really like Tharold Simon too, but he's probably going to be buried treasure on our roster the same way that Walter Thurmond is.

    And FWIW, Pete and John seemed a little downtodden in their draft press conferences the last two days. Not a lot of excitement. Schneider looked downright bummed at times. I'm thinking there were some frustrating close misses for them in the draft that we don't know about. I think even John Schneider would probably grade his draft well short of an A, if his body language was any indication. In 2012 and 2010 they were beaming with excitement during and after those drafts. Not this year.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:45 am
  • FWIW, this was how I graded the last three drafts they day they finished, and how I'd grade them in retrospect:

    2010: A / A+
    2011: C- / B-
    2012: A+ / A+

    Those were the grades I had after the draft the last 3 years. I think 2011 is better in retrospect, though if you take Sherman out of the mix it looks pretty bad right now. Sherman really saved that draft. Wright's the next best player and he's just barely above average when you factor his coverage issues, IMO. Baldwin, Johnson, and Portis were nice UDFA additions, but people usually don't count UDFA as part of draft grades. Overall I'd say my draft day grades have been pretty much right on, although in 2011 being a minor exception.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:47 am
  • Great analysis kearly! My only question is no mention of the first round pick(Percy Harvin) and his impact. Did you factor him into your grade?
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:44 am
  • This draft to me, feels similar to 2011 in as much as it's one we'll really need to be regrading a couple of years from now rather than at the end of the season.

    One thing that seems to have been overlooked regarding Ware is how important MRob is as Lynch's lead blocker. I don't see MRob going anywhere this year, but given how important the run is to this teams identify, if we have Michael/Ware ready to go as replacements for Lynch/MRob in a couple of years, I think that's huge.

    Sure, there are players/positions we'd all like to have seen taken, I'd like to have seen a QB in the 7th for instance, but right now, it's a solid B for me.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:02 am
  • The guys on the NFL network just said we made the most improvement before the draft but the least improvement in this draft. They graded our picks at the bottom but added that that they weren't sure what our goals were.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:18 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:The guys on the NFL network just said we made the most improvement before the draft but the least improvement in this draft. They graded our picks at the bottom but added that that they weren't sure what our goals were.


    That was Tom Waddle that said that. He is a Chicago Bears homer and knows nothing about the Hawks or the draft. I wouldn't put much stock into anything he says.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:54 am
  • Since OP said to include Harvin I gave it an A. But, without including Harvin, it's about a C+/B-. Don't know why we drafted 2 RB's. Hopefully these OL 7th rounders or some UDFA's are diamonds to get some depth there. I don't want to relive 2011. Competition should be interesting at a lot of positions.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:13 am
  • Solid B. We picked up a nice RB because of having a roster deep enough to allow it. Oh and Percy?.......hahahahaha.

    I like the CB addition as well.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:29 am
  • With Percy I give it a solid A+. Without Percy I'd give it a B. I was taken aback by most of the early picks but after doing some research I really like all of the picks through round 5. After round 5 though almost all of the picks(except Ty Powell) really left me scratching my head. Overall though I think givn our team depth, we did pretty well. I really like how you can see who they are trying to backup/replace in the future.

    Christine Michael - Lynch's future replacement
    Jordan Hill - Mebane
    Chris Harper - Probably Rice if we decide to cut his salary
    Jessie Williams - Big Red
    Tharold Simon - Browner
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:00 am
  • I didn't factor in Percy, and voted hard C. With Harvin, it goes up to A-.

    The only player drafted I see helping us out immediately is Jesse Williams or Jordan Hill. The rest may be roster fodder. On the bright side, it's not like we needed much immediate help any way. I also like the potential of Chris Harper and Simon....I'm psyched about that for the future. Also, so long as Christine Michael stays out of trouble and out of the tub, he could be starting too in a few years.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:06 am
  • TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:A.

    The Harvin trade looks better now than it did at the time (and it looked good then).

    Addressed the interior defensive line. A great need as we had only a single viable starter and 4 depth guys. People are down on the Jordan Hill pick but forget we play a hybrid scheme where he fits better on our team than in a conventional 4-3 3 tech spot. He could be a back-up at both Red and Mebane's positions while Williams would basically play where Branch did last year.

    Filled offensive depth needs at every skill position (except QB). We would have to get in a lot of injury trouble on offense for it to be very noticeable - which was not the case before (think of an injury to Marshawn, M-Rob or Zach Miller) - there would be a very noticeable drop in talent.

    Grabbed value in the 5th and 7th rounds.

    Snuck in Browner's replacement and K.J. Wright depth for good measure.

    The only thing this team is missing right now is a good FS back-up for Earl. Besides Wilson, he is our most important player without a truly viable back-up.

    Great point! I was really wondering about the running back picks in particular, but seeing them as backups (awesome backups with far less talent drop-off than we are accustomed to!) for RB and FB is exciting (...and as future replacements down the road). This uncharted waters deal is scarey.....but very very heady stuff!
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:37 am
  • I'd give it an A. They got at least 4 guys including Harvinthat have a pretty good chance at being starters eventually, which is a very solid number. The one pick I don't like was Luke Willson in the 5th. I can't imagine anyone else would have even thought about him until the 7th
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:39 am
  • After watching Bowie highlights (which I posted into his stickied thread) I'm a lot higher on him as a prospect. While he was a "small school nobody" he'd actually played legitimate left tackle at OK State, so he's got some real experience and looked good doing it. That may bump my mood about this draft from a B to closer to A territory.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:13 am
  • B+ w/Harvin
    C+ w/o

    I didn't mind the Willson selection, but he is a project. Sounds like he would have been there later. Could have used that pick for OL depth. That's the only gripe I could consider arguing.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:07 pm
  • I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:09 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.

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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:21 pm
  • B- (not including Harvin, which I think automatically propels it to an A)

    I agree with the media grade we received. I think our two 5th round picks would have been low 2nd high 3rd round picks in most drafts. I like the two receiver picks as well, we finally got a bigger WR in the draft so that was nice to see. I don't however under any circumstance think it was necessary to draft two RB's, in my opinion I think its necessary to go with more obvious concerns like doubling up on a pick for a defensive lineman. That being said most of us though last years draft wasn't very good either. I trust PC/JS

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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:32 pm
  • Solid B.

    I'm not including Harvin in that grade, as I never count player trades in draft grades. If I included Harvin as a member of our draft class, then I'd also have to count Anquan Boldin in San Francisco's, Robert Griffin III in Washington's, Aaron Curry in Oakland's, and Harvin in ours again next year. The Harvin trade stands on its own as an A move.

    As for the draft itself, we only made two picks that I would go as far as saying I'm "excited" about: Ty Powell and Jessie Williams. I'd classify Tharold Simon and Jared Smith as "very good" picks. Most of the rest, I don't love or hate: Michael, Harper, Ware, Willson, Seymour, Bowie. I don't have major complaints about those picks, but there were a number of guys available in those spots who I would have much preferred. Michael should at least be fun, and you can't have too much explosion in your offense, so at least he should be useful.

    Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.

    For those complaining that it's too early to grade a draft: these are predictions. I don't see it as any different than predicting season records in July or August. More than anything else, draft grades are an interesting way to generate discussion during a slow time of the year. Like power rankings, some people take draft grades way too seriously. I guess if you only look at a draft using hindsight, you'll never be wrong.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:32 pm
  • kearly wrote: ....

    And FWIW, Pete and John seemed a little downtodden in their draft press conferences the last two days. Not a lot of excitement. Schneider looked downright bummed at times. I'm thinking there were some frustrating close misses for them in the draft that we don't know about. I think even John Schneider would probably grade his draft well short of an A, if his body language was any indication. In 2012 and 2010 they were beaming with excitement during and after those drafts. Not this year.



    In regards to their energy, if you listened to the wrap-up draft conference Schneider came close to losing it when they talked about the long-time scout who was diagnosed with ALS and had to retire in December. Pete and John were talking with him as DJ made the last two picks for the team. Seems John was taking it pretty hard. Who knows for sure? I think you are making a leap, but maybe you know more inside details so I cannot dispute you.

    Not sure I agree with the Hill being a panic move, but maybe I missed where John gave a key saying this was the case. I did hear him say that when they were deciding who to pick with the 2nd round pick, Hill was in the mix with Michael so not sure how picking him a round later would make it a panic move?
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:33 pm
  • Our actual draft, I grade a B simply based on positions we chose. I was hoping we'd grab some DT action and maybe some OL, and we did. If you consider Harvin to be our 1st draft pick, then it's an A.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:49 pm
  • I'd grade it an A even without including Harvin. I freaking loved this draft.

    This is the first draft like this of many. This is the draft that Schneider was talking about when he said they were going to building a consistently elite team, not a one year wonder. People may want to whine and complain about "depth players" but those "depth players" this year are going to give us amazing cap flexibility which will allow us to keep our young core together for the long haul. LOVE IT.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:14 pm
  • got Tha Monster and Hill to fill the only hole... the rest is building for the future. I can't remember a year I could of said that before. Gotta love Pete & John
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:21 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


    It's probably Blitzer. You should have seen that guy in the chat room during the draft. Holy Christ, talk about a meltdown; over almost all of our picks.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:33 pm
  • I give it a B+. i Want to give it a "A" but im not sure if our Outside Linebacker position was resolved.
    I know Pete and John disliked the linebackers in this class though so that explains why.

    Also im a bit iffy on our right guard position also.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:43 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


    It's simple mathematics. Landing in the 0-60% F range is more likely than landing in any of the significantly smaller percentile ranges offered by letters A through D. Saying we got an F in our take from the draft is like betting a dollar on an item in The Price is Right. It won't satisfy the homeristic group-think we have running rampant in this thread but being right isn't about satisfying our illusions.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 pm
  • A few years back, USC ended up having about ten RBs on the roster. People said Pete was crazy--until the injuries started piling up and suddenly we had only a couple healthy RBs.

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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:40 am
  • B+ :P It was JSPC perfect... and could've used a little improvement. :roll:
    Loved the run (2 RBs) & stop the run (2 DTs) theme. Loved the depth especially at CB & FB. If the jokerTE contributes and one or more of the 7th rounders or UDFA makes the team, I'll upgrade to an A.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:49 am
  • Schrager: (A) If Harvin is considered their first-round pick, you have to love what the Seahawks did in the first round. I gave their draft an “F” last year. That same draft netted Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson. I’m done questioning John Schneider. Until he proves us otherwise, he gets an A.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:58 am
  • Rat wrote:Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:14 am
  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


    It's simple mathematics. Landing in the 0-60% F range is more likely than landing in any of the significantly smaller percentile ranges offered by letters A through D. Saying we got an F in our take from the draft is like betting a dollar on an item in The Price is Right. It won't satisfy the homeristic group-think we have running rampant in this thread but being right isn't about satisfying our illusions.


    Talk about simple mathematics...and I emphasize the word simple.

    Of course, mentioning 0-60% implies a numerically based scoring system of some sort which you have not outlined. Therefore, you can't acutally comment on whether 60% is more or less probable than any other percentile group.

    For example, let's say we had a more objective criteria that if one of the drafted players players greater than 50% of the snaps at his position then the draft is at least a D-; or that >60% of the players made the roster etc. Is it unreasonable to think that 5 or 6 of these players will make the team? If all of them make the team - is that an A or a C?

    In then end, your assumption that grades are linked to a mathematical score and that the probabilities of the percentiles in such a score are necessarily equal at every interval is erroneous without more clarification on your part.

    It is possible to have a ordinal scoring system that is based, not on an underlying mathematical scores, but on other features or criteria which are descriptive and which may not show up with equal probability. This approach is obviously the one that has been used predominantly by the people in this thread and for obvious reasons the criteria vary from person to person - the reason for the discussion in the first place.

    For example, I would consider an "F" draft one where none of the players will be significant contributors for this team for their tenure and either will be cut or not re-signed after their rookie contract. I consider that an exceedingly unlikely scenario for this group and therfore "F" would not be very probable, in my opinion.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:27 am
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Rat wrote:Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.


    He reminds me a lot of Clinton McDonald acutally - so not the greatest comparison.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:37 am
  • TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Rat wrote:Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.


    He reminds me a lot of Clinton McDonald acutally - so not the greatest comparison.


    Yea, I can see that too. Looks like a decent guy, but just doesn't have the brute force we're looking for at the position.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:47 am
  • Let us see what Quinn, Cable and all the vets can do with him before judgement day.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:12 am
  • This is actually a "rate the FO" thread given that we have yet to see how many of these guys will make our team this year, to say nothing of future years. Since we don't know anything about this draft yet, the A's and B's are reasonable as a reflection of what our FO has done in the previous three drafts. Of course, the overwhelming response would be F if we had brought Ruskell back to do this draft and he had made the same moves.

    Training camp will give us some limited information, and the final 53 roster will give us a lot of information about how these picks work out in the short term.
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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:12 am
  • The more I think about this draft, the more I see it as their biggest gamble to date. No huge glaring holes on the roster, so it gave them the opportunity to swing for the fences. This draft could be gold, or it could be a flop.

    Christine Michael and Tharold Simon. Huge huge high ceilings for both players. But really low floor as well. Either Marshawn's and Browners replacements, or major headaches for team.

    Safer picks. Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams and Harper, I could see them being flops, washouts, or valuable contributors.

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Re: Give your overall draft grade
Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:21 am
  • Was a B draft for me until we stole Williams and Simon in the 5th back to back...after that I was sold! A draft!
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