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What grade do Pete and John earn?
A 21%  21%  [ 50 ]
B 61%  61%  [ 145 ]
C 15%  15%  [ 35 ]
D 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
F 3%  3%  [ 6 ]
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Solid B.

I'm not including Harvin in that grade, as I never count player trades in draft grades. If I included Harvin as a member of our draft class, then I'd also have to count Anquan Boldin in San Francisco's, Robert Griffin III in Washington's, Aaron Curry in Oakland's, and Harvin in ours again next year. The Harvin trade stands on its own as an A move.

As for the draft itself, we only made two picks that I would go as far as saying I'm "excited" about: Ty Powell and Jessie Williams. I'd classify Tharold Simon and Jared Smith as "very good" picks. Most of the rest, I don't love or hate: Michael, Harper, Ware, Willson, Seymour, Bowie. I don't have major complaints about those picks, but there were a number of guys available in those spots who I would have much preferred. Michael should at least be fun, and you can't have too much explosion in your offense, so at least he should be useful.

Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.

For those complaining that it's too early to grade a draft: these are predictions. I don't see it as any different than predicting season records in July or August. More than anything else, draft grades are an interesting way to generate discussion during a slow time of the year. Like power rankings, some people take draft grades way too seriously. I guess if you only look at a draft using hindsight, you'll never be wrong.


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And FWIW, Pete and John seemed a little downtodden in their draft press conferences the last two days. Not a lot of excitement. Schneider looked downright bummed at times. I'm thinking there were some frustrating close misses for them in the draft that we don't know about. I think even John Schneider would probably grade his draft well short of an A, if his body language was any indication. In 2012 and 2010 they were beaming with excitement during and after those drafts. Not this year.



In regards to their energy, if you listened to the wrap-up draft conference Schneider came close to losing it when they talked about the long-time scout who was diagnosed with ALS and had to retire in December. Pete and John were talking with him as DJ made the last two picks for the team. Seems John was taking it pretty hard. Who knows for sure? I think you are making a leap, but maybe you know more inside details so I cannot dispute you.

Not sure I agree with the Hill being a panic move, but maybe I missed where John gave a key saying this was the case. I did hear him say that when they were deciding who to pick with the 2nd round pick, Hill was in the mix with Michael so not sure how picking him a round later would make it a panic move?

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Our actual draft, I grade a B simply based on positions we chose. I was hoping we'd grab some DT action and maybe some OL, and we did. If you consider Harvin to be our 1st draft pick, then it's an A.

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I'd grade it an A even without including Harvin. I freaking loved this draft.

This is the first draft like this of many. This is the draft that Schneider was talking about when he said they were going to building a consistently elite team, not a one year wonder. People may want to whine and complain about "depth players" but those "depth players" this year are going to give us amazing cap flexibility which will allow us to keep our young core together for the long haul. LOVE IT.

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got Tha Monster and Hill to fill the only hole... the rest is building for the future. I can't remember a year I could of said that before. Gotta love Pete & John


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I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


It's probably Blitzer. You should have seen that guy in the chat room during the draft. Holy Christ, talk about a meltdown; over almost all of our picks.

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I give it a B+. i Want to give it a "A" but im not sure if our Outside Linebacker position was resolved.
I know Pete and John disliked the linebackers in this class though so that explains why.

Also im a bit iffy on our right guard position also.


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MontanaHawk05 wrote:
I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


It's simple mathematics. Landing in the 0-60% F range is more likely than landing in any of the significantly smaller percentile ranges offered by letters A through D. Saying we got an F in our take from the draft is like betting a dollar on an item in The Price is Right. It won't satisfy the homeristic group-think we have running rampant in this thread but being right isn't about satisfying our illusions.


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A few years back, USC ended up having about ten RBs on the roster. People said Pete was crazy--until the injuries started piling up and suddenly we had only a couple healthy RBs.

Seattle ran the ball more than any other NFL team last year. Extra backs are a good thing.

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B+ :P It was JSPC perfect... and could've used a little improvement. :roll:
Loved the run (2 RBs) & stop the run (2 DTs) theme. Loved the depth especially at CB & FB. If the jokerTE contributes and one or more of the 7th rounders or UDFA makes the team, I'll upgrade to an A.


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Schrager: (A) If Harvin is considered their first-round pick, you have to love what the Seahawks did in the first round. I gave their draft an “F” last year. That same draft netted Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson. I’m done questioning John Schneider. Until he proves us otherwise, he gets an A.


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Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.

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BirdsCommaAngry wrote:
MontanaHawk05 wrote:
I'm curious to hear from one of the folks who voted F.


It's simple mathematics. Landing in the 0-60% F range is more likely than landing in any of the significantly smaller percentile ranges offered by letters A through D. Saying we got an F in our take from the draft is like betting a dollar on an item in The Price is Right. It won't satisfy the homeristic group-think we have running rampant in this thread but being right isn't about satisfying our illusions.


Talk about simple mathematics...and I emphasize the word simple.

Of course, mentioning 0-60% implies a numerically based scoring system of some sort which you have not outlined. Therefore, you can't acutally comment on whether 60% is more or less probable than any other percentile group.

For example, let's say we had a more objective criteria that if one of the drafted players players greater than 50% of the snaps at his position then the draft is at least a D-; or that >60% of the players made the roster etc. Is it unreasonable to think that 5 or 6 of these players will make the team? If all of them make the team - is that an A or a C?

In then end, your assumption that grades are linked to a mathematical score and that the probabilities of the percentiles in such a score are necessarily equal at every interval is erroneous without more clarification on your part.

It is possible to have a ordinal scoring system that is based, not on an underlying mathematical scores, but on other features or criteria which are descriptive and which may not show up with equal probability. This approach is obviously the one that has been used predominantly by the people in this thread and for obvious reasons the criteria vary from person to person - the reason for the discussion in the first place.

For example, I would consider an "F" draft one where none of the players will be significant contributors for this team for their tenure and either will be cut or not re-signed after their rookie contract. I consider that an exceedingly unlikely scenario for this group and therfore "F" would not be very probable, in my opinion.

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Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.


He reminds me a lot of Clinton McDonald acutally - so not the greatest comparison.

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Only pick I really don't like is Jordan Hill. I don't think he'll be horrible, but I see him as the type of player who nobody will care when, in four years, he signs a 2-year $5 million contract with another team. I saw that as a very blah pick, which I don't like in the third round. If I'm wrong, it sure won't be the first time.


I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that hunch. And yea, it's just a hunch, but I can't seem to get terribly excited over this one. Hope he proves me wrong, but it does seem like a very blah pick to me too. Maybe he's just at a somewhat unsexy position, or maybe I just haven't seen enough, but I'd wonder if he's even the best defensive lineman we picked.


He reminds me a lot of Clinton McDonald acutally - so not the greatest comparison.


Yea, I can see that too. Looks like a decent guy, but just doesn't have the brute force we're looking for at the position.

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Yahoo! Sports gave the entire NFC West good grades, B's for SEA & STL, A for ARI, and A+ for SF.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--2013-nfc-draft-grades--coming-off-a-super-bowl-season--the-49ers-have-a-super-draft-222459529.html

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This is actually a "rate the FO" thread given that we have yet to see how many of these guys will make our team this year, to say nothing of future years. Since we don't know anything about this draft yet, the A's and B's are reasonable as a reflection of what our FO has done in the previous three drafts. Of course, the overwhelming response would be F if we had brought Ruskell back to do this draft and he had made the same moves.

Training camp will give us some limited information, and the final 53 roster will give us a lot of information about how these picks work out in the short term.

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The more I think about this draft, the more I see it as their biggest gamble to date. No huge glaring holes on the roster, so it gave them the opportunity to swing for the fences. This draft could be gold, or it could be a flop.

Christine Michael and Tharold Simon. Huge huge high ceilings for both players. But really low floor as well. Either Marshawn's and Browners replacements, or major headaches for team.

Safer picks. Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams and Harper, I could see them being flops, washouts, or valuable contributors.

Crazy draft. One of their craziest. But at this point they've earned my trust.

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Was a B draft for me until we stole Williams and Simon in the 5th back to back...after that I was sold! A draft!


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Loved the Michael pick. Huge Williams fan. Thinking he could Shermanize this draft.

Harper .... I think a lot of us missed on this one, even though I thought he was a legit 4th round guy. We left both Patton and Swope on the board to take Harper. There was considerable quality that we didn't take -- so Harper can't just really be some practice squad guy.

Hill falls in the same category with me. Although there wasn't a lot of talent I think we missed on at that spot for that role. It really felt like a 'forced' pick to me. Hill looks like a guy drafted for a role that we will be talking about in 2014 as our #1 need. Did we HAVE to take an NFL average replacement guy at #3? Because there were a LOT of other guys that weren't average on the board elsewhere.

I'm hoping I'm wrong. But this pick felt Ruskellian.

This was an odd draft to be sure. The Michael pick: Yep I see that. Passing on Swope and John Simon -- in particular who we took instead of them (Hill, Harper, Willson, Th. Simon) obviously meant I liked those picks WAY more than Seattle did. Quite obviously, they didn't like those 2 prospects at all except maybe in the 7th. These were 2 guys I thought would be high on Seattle's board and I couldn't have been more wrong.

Ultimately, I think a lot of people went digging for obscure seahawk type prospects. And it looks like the Seahawks just dug deeper than ever before. I can't really give a grade at all, since so many of these guys I never heard of or they are going to position switch. Regardless if I consider the Harvin trade, to get 3 players (Michael, Harper, Williams) who are likely to contribute this year -- on a team this loaded and picking at #25 in the order -- that has to be considered a good B- draft on it's own merit. But like every Seahawk draft, you are obliged to give it an INC. Because our drafts are so heavily dependent on development they are simply not possible to really give an accurate grade.

Liked: Michael, Williams, Harper

Shrug: Hill, Simon, Ware, Powell

Bewildered: Willson, Seymour, Smith

Does he play baseball or football?: Bowie

I'm almost left to wonder, if Seattle wasn't planning for when they have to cut these draftees and stash them on a practice squad. Because plenty of these guys aren't going to have a problem going unnoticed on the final cut day.


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I've learned my lesson, I'm not even trying to attempt a draft grade this year, they can just have a default A+ until proven otherwise. Every year they make picks that make me go "huh?", then they turn out to be Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, KJ Wright, etc.

The fun part is knowing that there's at least one Sherman/Kam/KJ in this class that's going to blow us away...so who is it?


I'm with you Ninja. Until the players prove otherwise, this is an A+ draft.

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I give an "A" to this draft. From what I can see, they all look like good dudes and we needed every one of them. I trust the FO and coaches at this point. Haven't heard any "what, they took THAT guy?" comments in the media, per se. I keep the NFL channel on in the background and all they can talk about today is frikken Tebow.

Just stoked for training camp to start so I can see what these guys bring.

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Right now, it's a B draft because it feels like they're drafting for the future rather than the present. (In this case, not taking Harvin into account.) That's a good thing, but it's definitely underwhelming in the short term.

That said, I'm a pretty big fan of our 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round picks, and I'm a big believer in the current system our coaches have in place, so I can easily see this as an A draft by 2015.

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Draft seemed average at best. Outside the first 2 rounds, nothing exciting, that screams, “beast!” or “dominate!” or “day one starter”

Unlike some division rival’s drafts, no steals in our draft. Maybe a gem or two in the later rounds, but everyone else seems “meh”

As someone mentioned, I think they got what they could according to their board, but were out-positioned to get the players they REALLY wanted.


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Draft seemed average at best. Outside the first 2 rounds, nothing exciting, that screams, “beast!” or “dominate!” or “day one starter”

Unlike some division rival’s drafts, no steals in our draft. Maybe a gem or two in the later rounds, but everyone else seems “meh”

As someone mentioned, I think they got what they could according to their board, but were out-positioned to get the players they REALLY wanted.


Disagree.

Jesse Williams was seen as a 2nd round pick (and even a 1st before random knee injuries came into place). Getting him in the 5th round was awesome.

Simon is another player who probably would have gone higher if I wasn't for character issues (which we should all know by now PC does fantastic with these types of players). Physical off the line corner who should be able to step in for Browner when his time is up.

But Jesse Williams is the pick that has me fired up the most, especially considering he is still somewhat relatively new to football.


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Draft seemed average at best. Outside the first 2 rounds, nothing exciting, that screams, “beast!” or “dominate!” or “day one starter”

Unlike some division rival’s drafts, no steals in our draft. Maybe a gem or two in the later rounds, but everyone else seems “meh”

As someone mentioned, I think they got what they could according to their board, but were out-positioned to get the players they REALLY wanted.


Disagree.

Jesse Williams was seen as a 2nd round pick (and even a 1st before random knee injuries came into place). Getting him in the 5th round was awesome.

Simon is another player who probably would have gone higher if I wasn't for character issues (which we should all know by now PC does fantastic with these types of players). Physical off the line corner who should be able to step in for Browner when his time is up.

But Jesse Williams is the pick that has me fired up the most, especially considering he is still somewhat relatively new to football.


They are the possible gems in the later rounds I'm referring to. Everyone else though... "meh"


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This is actually a "rate the FO" thread given that we have yet to see how many of these guys will make our team this year, to say nothing of future years. Since we don't know anything about this draft yet, the A's and B's are reasonable as a reflection of what our FO has done in the previous three drafts. Of course, the overwhelming response would be F if we had brought Ruskell back to do this draft and he had made the same moves.

Training camp will give us some limited information, and the final 53 roster will give us a lot of information about how these picks work out in the short term.

So true. Fickle fans. We also have really become the Seattle Raiders over the last couple of drafts and no one seems to mind. I was never a fan of the Ruskell choir boy approach but it seems we have gone to the other extreme, prizing athleticism while qualifying character concerns. It hasn't really bitten us yet, apart from Marshawn's likely suspension, but I have to wonder about the volatility of the locker room. Pete is great at managing strong personalities and there are some strong leaders on the team like Russell so hopefully it will be a non-story - or it could become what Cincinnati had a couple years ago.

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If Hill turns out to be a mistake it won't be the first guy they have missed on, but there's no evidence of that right now is there.


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Talk about simple mathematics...and I emphasize the word simple.

Of course, mentioning 0-60% implies a numerically based scoring system of some sort which you have not outlined. Therefore, you can't acutally comment on whether 60% is more or less probable than any other percentile group.

For example, let's say we had a more objective criteria that if one of the drafted players players greater than 50% of the snaps at his position then the draft is at least a D-; or that >60% of the players made the roster etc. Is it unreasonable to think that 5 or 6 of these players will make the team? If all of them make the team - is that an A or a C?

In then end, your assumption that grades are linked to a mathematical score and that the probabilities of the percentiles in such a score are necessarily equal at every interval is erroneous without more clarification on your part.

It is possible to have a ordinal scoring system that is based, not on an underlying mathematical scores, but on other features or criteria which are descriptive and which may not show up with equal probability. This approach is obviously the one that has been used predominantly by the people in this thread and for obvious reasons the criteria vary from person to person - the reason for the discussion in the first place.

For example, I would consider an "F" draft one where none of the players will be significant contributors for this team for their tenure and either will be cut or not re-signed after their rookie contract. I consider that an exceedingly unlikely scenario for this group and therfore "F" would not be very probable, in my opinion.


But the grades are linked to a mathematical score. They are a simplified representation of a percentile score. It is possible to have a scoring system not based on mathematical scores but the letter grading system is not one of those systems (like reviewing movies with a 4-5 star system or 1-2 thumps up/down would be a non-mathematical system). I also don't believe people in this thread aren't using a numerical system to at least influence their selections. The system most of us appear to be using is the letter grading system but it's the letter grading system in relation to GPA (where a B, for example, is 250-300% more valuable than a D instead of only being 30-35% more valuable in a percentile system). The problem with doing this and with using the system you describe for yourself is Ruskell got A's, B's, and C's under it too despite how deeply he had really failed. We wouldn't want to be in the habit of subjecting one of the best FOs in the business to the same thought process we used to erroneously prop up a less than mediocre one, would we? Skepticism is a good thing. Patience is a good thing. In this thread, we are doing neither.


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I'm going to bump my draft grade up to a B-. The Spencer Ware pick has grown on me in a big way the last couple days. I have a good feeling about Willson too after hearing his interviews. Usually athletic freaks that interview like coaches tend to do pretty well for themselves.


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I'm going to bump my draft grade up to a B-. The Spencer Ware pick has grown on me in a big way the last couple days. I have a good feeling about Willson too after hearing his interview. Usually athletic freaks that interview like coaches tend to do pretty well for themselves.


Ware is definitely a violent runner, but he has large enough of a sample size that makes you wonder whether it was him or the oline responsible for the mediocre production. Is it his vision? How many times was he hit in the backfield because judging by his highlight tape, he had no problems getting yards after contact. 4 yards per carry is pretty crappy.

On Luke Willson, that's what I am saying. He interviews great and he's obviously a hard worker given that hes a three sport athlete. And the measurables to boot!


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Ware is definitely a violent runner, but he has large enough of a sample size that makes you wonder whether it was him or the oline responsible for the mediocre production. Is it his vision? How many times was he hit in the backfield because judging by his highlight tape, he had no problems getting yards after contact. 4 yards per carry is pretty crappy.


The low yards per carry is for two reasons:

He lacks the top gear to rip off 80 yard big plays, and those kind of big runs are what raise averages. There isn't a stat for "median yards per carry", but if there was I bet he'd be above average.

Players that run to contact instead of trying to be elusive tend to have lower yards per carry as a general rule. Before 2012, Lynch's career high YPC season was 4.2 YPC. Ricky Watters career YPC was 4.1, IIRC.


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kearly wrote:
SDHawk wrote:
Ware is definitely a violent runner, but he has large enough of a sample size that makes you wonder whether it was him or the oline responsible for the mediocre production. Is it his vision? How many times was he hit in the backfield because judging by his highlight tape, he had no problems getting yards after contact. 4 yards per carry is pretty crappy.


The low yards per carry is for two reasons:

He lacks the top gear to rip off 80 yard big plays, and those kind of big runs are what raise averages. There isn't a stat for "median yards per carry", but if there was I bet he'd be above average.

Players that run to contact instead of trying to be elusive tend to have lower yards per carry as a general rule. Before 2012, Lynch's career high YPC season was 4.2 YPC. Ricky Watters career YPC was 4.1, IIRC.


Thanks for your answer Kearly but I am still a bit skeptical. If Lynch averaged under 4ypc in college he wouldn't have been drafted.

All that said, Ware still passes the eye-ball test... which is why I was so mystified by the stats.

I think I agree with DavidSeven, it seems to be a consequence of his function as a short yardage back.


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As a Niner Fan, I think you guys had a great draft. Your backfield should be set for the post-Lynch years with Turbin and Michael. Hill and Williams are solid NT prospects (I can't believe Williams fell to the 5th, that was huge for you). Also Simon seems to be in the mold of your CBs (tall and long arms). Harper could be a steal as well. Plus, the Harvin trade has to be accounted for...

Overall Grade: B+/A-

Now, if Avril and Bennett can provide good pass rush, your offseason will be stellar. Remains to be seen. I also think Irvin will have a better season, and overall, he had a good season last season.


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As a Niner Fan, I think you guys had a great draft. Your backfield should be set for the post-Lynch years with Turbin and Michael. Hill and Williams are solid NT prospects (I can't believe Williams fell to the 5th, that was huge for you). Also Simon seems to be in the mold of your CBs (tall and long arms). Harper could be a steal as well. Plus, the Harvin trade has to be accounted for...

Overall Grade: B+/A-

Now, if Avril and Bennett can provide good pass rush, your offseason will be stellar. Remains to be seen. I also think Irvin will have a better season, and overall, he had a good season last season.


If your coach wasn't so detestable i might actually like SF .


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kearly wrote:
SDHawk wrote:
Ware is definitely a violent runner, but he has large enough of a sample size that makes you wonder whether it was him or the oline responsible for the mediocre production. Is it his vision? How many times was he hit in the backfield because judging by his highlight tape, he had no problems getting yards after contact. 4 yards per carry is pretty crappy.


The low yards per carry is for two reasons:

He lacks the top gear to rip off 80 yard big plays, and those kind of big runs are what raise averages. There isn't a stat for "median yards per carry", but if there was I bet he'd be above average.

Players that run to contact instead of trying to be elusive tend to have lower yards per carry as a general rule. Before 2012, Lynch's career high YPC season was 4.2 YPC. Ricky Watters career YPC was 4.1, IIRC.


Im not sure I would buy that, especially in College football. You shouldn't be comparing YPC in college to YPC in the NFL...two different games....anyways....
http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... ngAttempts

look at the RBs with 200 or more attempts..... then check their YPC.

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SDHawk wrote:
kearly wrote:
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Ware is definitely a violent runner, but he has large enough of a sample size that makes you wonder whether it was him or the oline responsible for the mediocre production. Is it his vision? How many times was he hit in the backfield because judging by his highlight tape, he had no problems getting yards after contact. 4 yards per carry is pretty crappy.


The low yards per carry is for two reasons:

He lacks the top gear to rip off 80 yard big plays, and those kind of big runs are what raise averages. There isn't a stat for "median yards per carry", but if there was I bet he'd be above average.

Players that run to contact instead of trying to be elusive tend to have lower yards per carry as a general rule. Before 2012, Lynch's career high YPC season was 4.2 YPC. Ricky Watters career YPC was 4.1, IIRC.


Thanks for your answer Kearly but I am still a bit skeptical. If Lynch averaged under 4ypc in college he wouldn't have been drafted.

All that said, Ware still passes the eye-ball test... which is why I was so mystified by the stats.

I think I agree with DavidSeven, it seems to be a consequence of his function as a short yardage back.


Lynch average 6.6 ypc for his college career.

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