Falcan Moore wrote:I actually don't get what Kearly's talking about with the arms...he actually has pretty strangely long arms for a DT his size, 33 1/2 inches.
To compare, that's as long as a guy like Sly Williams, while longer than Hankins, Brandon Williams, or Montori Hughes. Only a tenth of an inch smaller than Lotulelei and a half inch smaller than John Jenkins. Not to mention, he has the longest arms of any DT this year of his height (though there aren't many with his height so it's not saying a ton).
He can get stronger in his upper body, that's my biggest thing with him. That and learning to anchor more consistently, though if you want him as a 3-tech that's less of a big deal. If he does learn those things...well, I don't know a ton of scouts, so I'm not going to pretend to be "in the know," but I take a big interest in DTs, so I ask about them a lot. Of the few I've talked to, when I asked which late round DT they thought had the most Geno Atkins-like upside, two said Hill without question. I don't think he's on that level, but I definitely look forward to seeing what he does.
Well, I wrote that before the arm measurements were out, and didn't exactly say he had short arms, just said he didn't have visibly long arms. I never thought arm length was a problem for him, my issue came with how he only controls gaps and struggles to get past blockers. He lacks strength of all 3 varieties (upper, lower, core), and that makes him more of a finesse controller with high effort and quickness than a beast type.
I like Jordan Hill, and I think in a normal year I'd call it a great pick. But in the 2013 draft which is insanely deep, I'm pretty sure we could have had him much later in the draft, and there were several other DTs with much higher upside, IMO. He was a solid pick in a draft where I'll expect solid picks in the 6th and 7th rounds.
Side note- I don't think there is a Geno Atkins this year. Atkins ran a 4.75 forty at the combine. Datone Jones was the only true DT this year who came close, with a 4.80 (Hill was a 5.17 at the combine, and a 5.03 at his pro-day). Atkins was a special athlete with monster upside but was overlooked because he lacked production. I think Hill is more comparable to someone like Stephen Paea with less strength and run defense.
Again, I'm not a Hill hater. Hell, I was touting him as a hidden gem in the draft for a couple months. Back in January I was railing hard against the "DT or Bust" crowd with our 1st round pick, pointing to Jordan Hill specifically and saying "we can get this guy later and he's 90% as good." My opinion of Hill has cooled slightly since then, but I get the enthusiasm. Believe me, I do.
I'm just giving the fairest evaluation I possibly can. He's not a bad prospect, but I would have waited at least two rounds later before taking him, personally.