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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    The team can negotiate with Thomas whenever they want but have to wait until next year to talk to Sherman. I think if Schneider's comments mean anything it's not that Sherm isn't a high priority, it's that they are already talking to Earl.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    Likely because Thomas comes due for an extension at least a year before Sherman does. He's next up.
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  • once this gets updated with kam's new info it should give a good idea of who will be here and who won't.

    I was thinking Miller m ight be on his way out over rice, but Miller's contract actually de-escalates unlike Rice' which is only going to get uglier.

    We're paying Miller a LOT this year with an 11m cap number but that goes down to 7 and 6 the next two years; still a large number for a TE.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/yearly/

    Just in Miller's cap number, and dead money for flynn and leon washington, that's 16m of our cap right there. So next season that's a savings of 9m.
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  • I know it's not the case but the reasonable extensions almost make it seem like JS just laid out a spreadsheet and said, "Kam, I think this is what we can try to do in order to keep you guys together. If you can work with us, maybe we can rack up some rings and you can cash in, in 5 years."
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  • Like others have already stated I love that the team rewarded Kam. I don't love that people are thinking his last season was him slacking, it was due to an injury he played through!

    I hope he recovers well and plays with even more intensity because how the FO treated him. Go Hawks!
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  • mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

    Zach Miller Cap Hits
    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
    2015: 6 million
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  • Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

    Zach Miller Cap Hits
    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
    2015: 6 million



    to me this just indicates that just about everything pete and john set out to do is going as close to the 'plan' as you can imagine. Two years of rebuilding, take a step forward and find a QB, then go for it all. We are a little ahead of schedule, and got really lucky with the finding a QB thing at the 11th hour since whitehurst and tarvaris obviously weren't the answer.
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  • Well...I gotta love that we go all out to resign our own.
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  • Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.


    Traditionally speaking you are correct about the roles of SS and FS. Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the modern NFL trend towards more interchangeable safeties?

    Kam is worth more to the Seahawks than other teams. Glad we locked him up. Everyone in due course.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:
    Thunderhawk wrote:Does Kam make this kind of coin IF he had gone through Free Agency? I highly doubt it. His value probably doesn't translate to teams that don't have an Earl Thomas bizzarro-rangy free safety protecting the back end. If he hits the open market I say he gets about 75% of this deal which Seattle could have matched or slightly beaten. That couple of million dollar difference against the cap might be important down the road.


    If he has a Pro Bowl year for an elite team, he'd be offered close to Goldson money (i.e. more than he just signed for). Their strengths are very similar despite playing different safety positions. How do his skills not translate? The job of a strong safety is to lay hits in the middle of the field and provide support against the run. He's elite at both.

    As far as your other point about having ET to back him up, that's what free safeties are paid to do. He'd have a free safety backing him in a lot of other schemes, too. We happen to have the best, but I don't see how that takes away from what Kam does in the box or the hits/tackles he makes in the open field.


    Traditionally speaking you are correct about the roles of SS and FS. Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the modern NFL trend towards more interchangeable safeties?

    Kam is worth more to the Seahawks than other teams. Glad we locked him up. Everyone in due course.


    The NFL of the past 20 years favors interchangeable safeties. The NFL of the next 20 years favors a large safety with range who can force the edge against running QB's and still cover MOST TE's in single coverage.
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  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    I think you're correct in that you may be reading too much into that. Earl's contract is going to come due before Sherman's so Earl is more than likely the one Schneider has at the front of his mind for the time being. I doubt he's forgotten Sherman, but rather just looking to take care of the most urgent situation first.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    mikeak wrote:Miller - highest paid TE in the league this year?

    http://mobile.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/


    Key phrase "This year". His contract was structured so he made a large share of his money this year.

    His first year with the team he had a three million cap hit.

    Zach Miller Cap Hits
    2011: 3 Million
    2012: 7 Million
    2013: 11 Million
    2014: 7 Million
    2015: 6 million


    This is what makes me think TE is a target in the draft. At this point in time there are 5 on the roster :

    Darren Fells, Cooper Helfet, Anthony McCoy, Sean McGrath and Zach Miller.

    Adding one more in the draft and you've got stiff competition come camp time. If even one of those turns out to be even close to Miller talent wise I think they let Zach go. I could be wrong, but it would make sense with the amount left on his contract and the production we have seen from him so far. Of course he could also build an amazing chemistry with Wilson over camp and all of a sudden make himself indispensable.
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  • Shadowhawk wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    The team can negotiate with Thomas whenever they want but have to wait until next year to talk to Sherman. I think if Schneider's comments mean anything it's not that Sherm isn't a high priority, it's that they are already talking to Earl.


    I think many of our posters still don't realize no one can talk money to Sherman and Wilson until they have 3 years in. That's the new CBA. Sherman after this year and Wilson after next.

    And who knows how things can change between now and then?

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    SmokinHawk wrote:Vernon Davis will need some new shorts once he gets wind of Kamtrack's new contract.


    Not to mention he still hasn't located the cleets he was wearing...



    And is probably still hearing footsteps.

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  • One thing about this extension - there is a huge value in keeping a player on his current contract for another year with the big deal next. Many players start sitting out / demanding a new deal. This is the most cap friendly way to handle this situation especially now with rolling cap leftovers.

    Kudos to FO for handling these things without causing issues in the locker room. Go back and look at many other deals and you will see that other teams overspent then did these deals with players as new contracts to lower the cap hit. The issue is they paid extra for the remaining year so while this years cap got lowered overall cap / spend increased.

    Our FO is doing a much better job than many other teams here
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  • Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.
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  • TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.


    I don't understand how people can consider Kam borderline. He has one bad season due to injury and people are saying he isn't a key person on the LoB. Everyone talked mad smack on how T-Jack played hurt, so why not Kam, who is still on the team. I can't wait until he shuts all the naysayers up. Go Hawks!
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  • Remember when our Safeties were Deon Grant and Brian Russell?

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  • My oh my, do the days of Russell and Grant seem so far past. Best safety tandem in the league and these guys still have years to go before their potential is reached. About what I expected for the money and years, but as excited as I am to have "Bam Bam the rhinoceros in cleats" back the big commitment does worry me. I can see both sides clearly but for now, I'm going to say to hell with it . Let's be stoked for this year and the immediate future. I have faith in everything they do after management.

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  • Hawk Strap wrote:Remember when our Safeties were Deon Grant and Brian Russell?

    Grant and Russell suck


    I had blacked that out.
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  • how much cap does this leave the team to sign draft picks?
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  • Bakergirl wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I found it interesting that Schneider mentioned Earl when talking about extensions and not Sherm when asked about the two of them. I'm more than likely reading waaaay too much into that and Schneider playing close to vest. Interesting none the less.


    I think you're correct in that you may be reading too much into that. Earl's contract is going to come due before Sherman's so Earl is more than likely the one Schneider has at the front of his mind for the time being. I doubt he's forgotten Sherman, but rather just looking to take care of the most urgent situation first.



    That's NOT correct. Earl's was a 5 year deal, He's entering year 4, so he'd be a free agent after 2014.
    Sherman's was a 4 year deal, he's entering his 3rd year so he'd be a free agent after 2014. So they'd both be free agents at the same time. It's just that Sherman can't be negotiated with until after year 3. Whereas Earl can.

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  • Pick6 wrote:how much cap does this leave the team to sign draft picks?


    Draft picks won't impact the overall cap very much.
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  • Well... i love Kam, but i want to see him grow. He was injured- true, but he also got picked on in the last couple games and looked like a liability at times. Now that we added Antoine, though, I suppose we have given him the perfect support around his skill set and I'm sure having a Ronnie Lott type around that may decapitate anyone at anytime with a clean hit (that the league will still fine) is a hard to replace skill.
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  • TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.


    Kam was not only resigned to reaffirm PC/JS's philosophy of "play hard for us and we'll take care of you," but he was resigned because he's a tone setter on defense.

    Talent wise no he's not on the same level as ET or Sherm, but football and especially defensive football you need certain guys on your team that set the tone........and Kam does that in spades. I GUARANTEE you when teams play us they say "oh no, we gotta play the Hawks defense with Chancellor destroying our RB's and WR's trying to cross the middle."

    So yeah, any other team Kam's a "take him or leave him" kinda player. But not on this team. On this team's he's defensive beast that's a cornerstone to Pete's defensive philosophy of punishing other teams and breaking their will.
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  • Remember when Jason Witten was too scared to catch a pass in Seattle? That was pure intimidation. That was Kam Chancellor.

    That's the type of defense Pete Carroll wants.
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  • OkieHawk wrote:
    TDOTSEAHAWK wrote:Count me in the mildly surprised group that we elected to extend him. He was a borderline guy who I thought could go either way, though the most likely of the borderline guys to be resigned, albeit.

    I thought we would wait until after the draft to see where it fell before we extended anyone else but I suppose safety is no longer a priority.


    I don't understand how people can consider Kam borderline. He has one bad season due to injury and people are saying he isn't a key person on the LoB. Everyone talked mad smack on how T-Jack played hurt, so why not Kam, who is still on the team. I can't wait until he shuts all the naysayers up. Go Hawks!


    So he had a rookie season where he didn't play much, a pro bowl season and an average season. In other words, he had *one* good season. Not quite the sure thing.

    More than his on-field performance, a strong safety who doesn't play much deep coverage isn't the hardest thing to replace schematically. Add to this fact that his general man and zone coverage skills are, at best, above average and he isn't a must sign player who makes our defense go.

    That being said, he is definitely a specimen and his run support and hitting are well above average.

    Though overall if we compare to a MUST sign player like ET the differences become clear.

    We play a 1 deep safety most of the time and it is ET over the top. His zone coverage range at FS is probably the best in pro football. Remember the one deep pass against us in Atlanta, guess who was playing over-the-top (it wasn't ET). In other words, we NEED ET to play the defense that we do.

    Furthermore, although Chancellor hits like a ton of bricks, ET runs circles around him in run support range, closing speed and tackling. ET can get from 12 yards deep to the backfield in no time. Once again, a player who is unique at his position among the whole league.

    Anyway, don't take my surprise as a knock on Kam per se, just think of it as extreme praise for a guy like ET.
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  • Interesting story about Kam Chancellor keeping the agreement secret over the weekend .... here >>>> http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2020839501_seahawks23.html
    But for a few nights with some old friends in Blacksburg, Va., Chancellor got to quietly celebrate his reward.

    "He was just (the) same old Kam when he was here this weekend," Foster said. "He wasn't any different. It would have been the ideal time for him to be boasting and feeling good about himself. Not once did he come across that way. That's just Kam."


    Includes John Schneider quote on off season priorities .....
    "Anything that happened other than being able to sign Kam was a bonus," Schneider said. "It was our absolute No. 1 priority. We talked about it for a long time.

    "This whole offseason, from the get-go, has been about Kam. We would have never gotten into any other deals if we felt it was going to put his situation in jeopardy."

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  • Earl makes that entire secondary better. I'd choose retaining him over Sherman in a heart beat.
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  • Missing_Clink wrote:Kam's contract extension

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  • HawKnPeppa wrote:Earl makes that entire secondary better. I'd choose retaining him over Sherman in a heart beat.


    I wouldn't Sherman's the best corner in the game.
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  • Hawk Strap wrote:Remember when our Safeties were Deon Grant and Brian Russell?

    Grant and Russell suck


    Thanks for bringing up such painful memories. :shock:
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  • jlwaters1 wrote:

    That's NOT correct. Earl's was a 5 year deal, He's entering year 4, so he'd be a free agent after 2014.
    Sherman's was a 4 year deal, he's entering his 3rd year so he'd be a free agent after 2014. So they'd both be free agents at the same time. It's just that Sherman can't be negotiated with until after year 3. Whereas Earl can.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... d-sherman/


    I stand corrected. I still think JS is more inclined to worry about the problem he can deal with before the problem he can't. Sherm cannot be negotiated with at this point in time, Earl can. It makes sense for them to bite off one chunk at a time. Now that they are finished with Kam I imagine they will shift focus to their next top priority.
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  • most important take-away -

    Chancellor's cap numbers (this year obviously doesn't matter much)

    2014 - 5.75
    2015 - 5.55
    2016 - 6.1
    2017 - 8.1

    Not bad really for the first 3 years. Note that the first 3 is almost in line with his 17m guaranteed money. He will be restructured before the big hit in 2017.

    Smart money by the FO again.
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  • That 2017 cap number is going to make me a little nervous during the offseason after the 2016 season. He might get cut or traded at that point. I hate "final year balloons" in contracts.
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  • Yes, but also the contract is guaranteed for injury, and becomes fully guaranteed only if he's on the roster 5 days after the Super Bowl.
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  • So, it's a $5.5-6 million average for the years of the deal he's likely to get paid on. Seems like it's right around where most had him pegged at before the extension was signed. Good deal, and the injury-only guaranty gives them outs for underperformance. This is why you wait until the deal structure comes out before passing judgment.

    Clayton is so unreliable for everything.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:That 2017 cap number is going to make me a little nervous during the offseason after the 2016 season. He might get cut or traded at that point. I hate "final year balloons" in contracts.


    That number will never come into play; by then he will have all of his guaranteed money.

    He can be traded, released, or renegotiated.

    In fact by the time that number even come sup, Kam himself will want to renegotiate it to a lower number in order to get more guaranteed money and/or years.

    That number is 0 concern.
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