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What sucks is that I'm pretty sure he's a better pass catcher than McCoy. He must have lacked in the blocking or something.


I think McCoy is an emerging player who is going to get better and better as he continues to get experience and increasingly comfortable in the offense with RW. I also like the other 3 TE prospects we have on the roster. Helfet is an athletic player they keep bringing back. Fells the next ex-basketball player TE?, and McGrath who seems to have already earned his way into consideration. Not only numbers, but I like the potential there even thus far as well. If they draft a TE or even bring one in as an UDFA... the Hawks will have plenty of competition at the position. It will be exciting and interesting to see who the additions will be come next weekend.

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Morrah was an ok TE but really nothing super special to worry about. I think McCoy is actually the better all around TE but had that awful dropsies tendency. While he has not completely fixed that, he does seem to be improving on it so there maybe hope. I think they are looking to improve that position anyway so no big deal here, just opens up another spot for the competition.

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This bolsters my belief that we will draft TE in the 2-4th round this year.


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Good for him. Now he can be hurt on some other team.

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 Post subject: Re: Cameron Morrah to 9ers
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themunn wrote:
See where the 49ers fail

We pick up pro-bowlers like Julian Peterson and Michael Robinson

they pick up duds or past it players like Darrell Jackson, Ricardo Lockette & Cameron Morrah


You mean like Brett Swain, the receiver the Seahawks signed? The guy who couldn't even make the Niners roster? All teams do this... They sign camp bodies from rivals to get some inside info about their offense/defense then cut them come regular season if they can't earn their spot.


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Morrah has some talent for sure. He just can't stay healthy. He gets hurt every year.

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I hope we're able to find a suitable replacement. TE's with Morrah's production don't grow on trees :sarcasm_off:


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Can we trade up and snag one of those beast tight ends now?


I have my fingers crossed for Escobar, even if the Hawks have to take him in the second.

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At least Cam has an opportunity to announce our 2nd round pick next year...

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At least Cam has an opportunity to announce our 2nd round pick next year...

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I just don't get the want for another TE. We have a very capable, cheap backup and a very expensive starter. Why use a high resource for a 3rd TE?

A poster claimed Morrah wasn't much of a receiver but a good blocker. Yeah, okay.

If he can stay healthy, he can catch some balls and be a weapon for SF. I see him catching just enough balls to be annoying.

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I just don't get the want for another TE. We have a very capable, cheap backup and a very expensive starter. Why use a high resource for a 3rd TE?


We really don't have any needs that demand a high resource, but we only have two more years of Zach Miller. Combine that with a very talented TE class and no big holes, and TE seems like a good position to focus on in this draft.

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I think the logic in adding a 3rd in the draft is neither Morrah or McCoy are/were long term and we need to groom one. MCCoy is in his last year of his rookie 1.47 mil deal.
I don't see him coming back. We need to add one this year or next so if the best player available is TE, go for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Cameron Morrah to 9ers
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Morrah has appeared in 27 games in four years and has 16 catches for 194 yards.


Sad. This tells me if they sign him it's simply to gather intelligence on Seattle and for pretty much no other legitimate reason.

Some of the more knowledgable niners there say that he's a real good player. the problem with him, it seems is that he's been injured too much to have been a factor in getting a role in the teams he's played with.


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Giedi wrote:
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Morrah has appeared in 27 games in four years and has 16 catches for 194 yards.


Sad. This tells me if they sign him it's simply to gather intelligence on Seattle and for pretty much no other legitimate reason.

Some of the more knowledgable niners there say that he's a real good player. the problem with him, it seems is that he's been injured too much to have been a factor in getting a role in the teams he's played with.

We've got a pretty stellar strength and conditioning program, hopefully he can benefit from that.

If he appears to be a natural successor to Delanie Walker I'm all on board. The asset that made Walker most valuable is his athleticism, and based on the posts in this thread it sounds like Morrah also posses unique physical talents.

Even the best rookie prospects aren't a guarantee, so I think I feel a bit better about bringing in someone with experience for the backup position then laying hopes on a rook.

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QuickLightning wrote:
themunn wrote:
See where the 49ers fail

We pick up pro-bowlers like Julian Peterson and Michael Robinson

they pick up duds or past it players like Darrell Jackson, Ricardo Lockette & Cameron Morrah


You mean like Brett Swain, the receiver the Seahawks signed? The guy who couldn't even make the Niners roster? All teams do this... They sign camp bodies from rivals to get some inside info about their offense/defense then cut them come regular season if they can't earn their spot.

I's sure what you say is a factor, but Morrah will be playing the H-back position on the 49ers, as others here have said. that means a lot of blocking more than catching which I think will fit in with his skill set there. .


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We've got a pretty stellar strength and conditioning program, hopefully he can benefit from that.

If he appears to be a natural successor to Delanie Walker I'm all on board. The asset that made Walker most valuable is his athleticism, and based on the posts in this thread it sounds like Morrah also posses unique physical talents.

Even the best rookie prospects aren't a guarantee, so I think I feel a bit better about bringing in someone with experience for the backup position then laying hopes on a rook.


Been a while since I've heard the "magic strength and conditioning program" homerism, thanks for the chuckle and good luck with that.


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hawk45 wrote:
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We've got a pretty stellar strength and conditioning program, hopefully he can benefit from that.

If he appears to be a natural successor to Delanie Walker I'm all on board. The asset that made Walker most valuable is his athleticism, and based on the posts in this thread it sounds like Morrah also posses unique physical talents.

Even the best rookie prospects aren't a guarantee, so I think I feel a bit better about bringing in someone with experience for the backup position then laying hopes on a rook.


Been a while since I've heard the "magic strength and conditioning program" homerism, thanks for the chuckle and good luck with that.

Several analysts as well as players from other teams around the league have commented on the level of conditioning of 49ers players, do you believe them to be wrong? Do you believe strength and conditioning is a scam? I don't know why that's an absurd topic.. The 49ers have been been relatively injury free since Harbaugh took over, and the injuries they did suffer were isolated incidents usually dealing with a specific play - ala Manningham getting his knee destroyed in Seattle.

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That "strength" program didn't do much to get San Francisco's scrawny first-rounder on the field.


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That "strength" program didn't do much to get San Francisco's scrawny first-rounder on the field.

Yea you're right. I guess there's some question about his work ethic unfortunately. From what I understand, they wanted him to add weight and bulk and he really didn't do that. He has been working in Atlanta with CK this off season though since Feb, and I believe he's at the voluntary workouts that have started with the rest of the majority. At least I hope.

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Hes a spy! But theres enough time for Pete to make sure that isn't a problem.



wait..are you suggesting...that Pete Carroll is going to..assassinate Cameron Morrah!!????


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We've got a pretty stellar strength and conditioning program, hopefully he can benefit from that.

If he appears to be a natural successor to Delanie Walker I'm all on board. The asset that made Walker most valuable is his athleticism, and based on the posts in this thread it sounds like Morrah also posses unique physical talents.

Even the best rookie prospects aren't a guarantee, so I think I feel a bit better about bringing in someone with experience for the backup position then laying hopes on a rook.


Been a while since I've heard the "magic strength and conditioning program" homerism, thanks for the chuckle and good luck with that.

Several analysts as well as players from other teams around the league have commented on the level of conditioning of 49ers players, do you believe them to be wrong? Do you believe strength and conditioning is a scam? I don't know why that's an absurd topic.. The 49ers have been been relatively injury free since Harbaugh took over, and the injuries they did suffer were isolated incidents usually dealing with a specific play - ala Manningham getting his knee destroyed in Seattle.


No I don't think folks are lying but it isn't the magic potion you seem to think it is, and the strength program magic argument is classic homerism you have to know that.

The Seahawks were utterly immune to injury last year aside from crappy DC grass, but that doesn't mean I'm not holding my breath every time Sidney Rice takes the field because...drum roll...injury history means something.


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Tical21 wrote:
I just don't get the want for another TE. We have a very capable, cheap backup and a very expensive starter. Why use a high resource for a 3rd TE?

A poster claimed Morrah wasn't much of a receiver but a good blocker. Yeah, okay.

If he can stay healthy, he can catch some balls and be a weapon for SF. I see him catching just enough balls to be annoying.


IMO There's a good chance Miller gets asked to restructure in '14 or '15 if he declines he might get cut and a cheap alternative may be the answer to keeping our team together.


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hawk45 wrote:
No I don't think folks are lying but it isn't the magic potion you seem to think it is, and the strength program magic argument is classic homerism you have to know that.

The Seahawks were utterly immune to injury last year aside from crappy DC grass, but that doesn't mean I'm not holding my breath every time Sidney Rice takes the field because...drum roll...injury history means something.

Injury history does mean something, you're very right there. But that shouldn't stop me from having hope. In the first two years of the current regime, we've seen Harbalke take players relatively outcast from other teams and turn them into play-makers/contributors. I'm hoping this young man can be the same because I was really sore about losing Walker.

As an aside; Frank Gore tore up his knee in college and he's been fairly free of major injuries since he was drafted in 2005. That, also gives me hope.

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Not sure I can buy into the Miller restructure... ever. I believe his cap number is 14 is 3.5 and in 15 is 2.7. His talent is not "replacement level". Zach is to Seattle what Heath Miller is to Pittsburgh. Heart and soul of the offense. Dude never has to come off the field. That is rare.

Zach Miller is a rare player. He will be here. No restructure.

I think you may see Chancellor leave. Or get franchised one year. Chancellor has the Dashon Goldson track all over him.

Now 2015 Dangeruss will be making over 20M. There will change there :) Draft will be critical at skill positions at that time. Okung and Thomas big money hits will have to come in 2014.

We won't keep everybody, but we will keep the keys. We still need to draft 10 this year, for we need 3-4 potentially great players drafted in 2013 and 2014.

I digress.

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No I don't think folks are lying but it isn't the magic potion you seem to think it is, and the strength program magic argument is classic homerism you have to know that.

The Seahawks were utterly immune to injury last year aside from crappy DC grass, but that doesn't mean I'm not holding my breath every time Sidney Rice takes the field because...drum roll...injury history means something.

Injury history does mean something, you're very right there. But that shouldn't stop me from having hope. In the first two years of the current regime, we've seen Harbalke take players relatively outcast from other teams and turn them into play-makers/contributors. I'm hoping this young man can be the same because I was really sore about losing Walker.

As an aside; Frank Gore tore up his knee in college and he's been fairly free of major injuries since he was drafted in 2005. That, also gives me hope.


On the issue of injuries, I think the field that the players play on factor a lot into it. I think natural grass is the best field because it will give when players cut, thereby saving their knees from blowing out.

As for Morrah, the system that the 49ers play is probably more suited to his skill set than seattle. The 49ers are more of a running team while Seattle with Wilson - I can see them this year being much more of a passing team with Harvin now in the fold and I'm sure with the draft, they will have some weapons to make sure Wilson will have folks to throw to.


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I actually think the health issues are much closer related to playing on your toes vs playing on your heals, so to speak. Aggressive smash mouth teams tend to have less injury issues than the Finesse teams and I think that is due to trying to move forward as oppose to trying not to move back.

Strength and conditioning obviously helps but that IMO is much more on the player themselves. If they are not motivated to aggressively pursue the strength and conditioning program, the coach/coordinator means very little but for those willing to put in the work, even an average S&C coach will have success.

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I actually think the health issues are much closer related to playing on your toes vs playing on your heals, so to speak. Aggressive smash mouth teams tend to have less injury issues than the Finesse teams and I think that is due to trying to move forward as oppose to trying not to move back.

Strength and conditioning obviously helps but that IMO is much more on the player themselves. If they are not motivated to aggressively pursue the strength and conditioning program, the coach/coordinator means very little but for those willing to put in the work, even an average S&C coach will have success.

I think that is true to a certain extent. If you are giving the blow and you have the higher momentum, the one recieving the blow will suffer more. I'll leave the angular momentum to the physics nerds. Regarding smash mouth teams, if the opposing team is bent backwards, that can cause injuries. Specially if the smash mouth team is bigger and more powerful.


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