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 Post Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:13 am 
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Pete's all about having a strong secondary. You know he won't add a player that would weaken that. It sounds like the guy could still compete and produce.

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Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, much better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.


J, you really think Thurmond is better in coverage than Browner? Was it Thurmond's zero career INT's that made you feel this way, or his two passes defensed in the last 16 games he's played in? :P

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I'm happy Thurmond is on the team, I still think he has a lot of potential. But Winfield could really help us.


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Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, much better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.


J, you really think Thurmond is better in coverage than Browner? Was it Thurmond's zero career INT's that made you feel this way, or his two passes defensed in the last 16 games he's played in? :P

Stats source:http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13473/walter-thurmond

I'm happy Thurmond is on the team, I still think he has a lot of potential. But Winfield could really help us.


If you're covering your opponent so well that the QB is not likely to throw his way then you're not likely to get many passes defensed or interceptions.

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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.

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I hope this is more than a rumor. Winfield would be a great addition if he works out.

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In a passing league, got to have a great secondary.

I would be on board with Winfield back there, could be a move like when the Saints got Sharper for their Superbowl season. Slot corner, can play outside in an emergency, maybe even allow earl to move around more in some packages or Kam to play pass-rusher more.

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With strong run support from both Bam Bam and Winfield, I see a lot of nickle packages in our base defense.

Now just draft a big body DT with our 2nd round pick


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Winfield would be an instant upgrade and the best possibly option IMO. the dude makes 100 tackles a year and didnt give a touchdown during the 2012 season .

For those wondering why Walter Thurmond , should just stop there because he just got hurt again.


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Our 2 biggest killers last year were the slot corner's inability to cover and tackle (Winfield would be a plus here as he is one of the best tacklers there is), and our late season struggles against the run, something else Antoine is good at stopping.

Put him in Trufant's spot and limit his playing time throughout the season so that he can be a run-stopping monster late in the season when our defense struggles (if it does).

Antoine Winfield can be our Lawyer Milloy, elderly statesman that can still play at a high level but whose technique can rub off on the younger guys that are slated to replace him in 2014.

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We also have to remember the further pusification of our game. New rules make it harder for the RB to lower his head and gain the couple of extra yards. This is becoming a pass only league.


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camdawg wrote:
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Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, much better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.


J, you really think Thurmond is better in coverage than Browner? Was it Thurmond's zero career INT's that made you feel this way, or his two passes defensed in the last 16 games he's played in? :P

Stats source:http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13473/walter-thurmond

I'm happy Thurmond is on the team, I still think he has a lot of potential. But Winfield could really help us.


If you're covering your opponent so well that the QB is not likely to throw his way then you're not likely to get many passes defensed or interceptions.



Now you are grasping at straws J :P You're telling me, that Thurmond is so good, they would rather throw to Shermans or ETS coverage instead?


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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.


Nope, Browner and Trufant were the starters until Trufant got hurt, Thurmond came in and got hurt, Sherman came in and the rest is history


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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.


Nope, Browner and Trufant were the starters until Trufant got hurt, Thurmond came in and got hurt, Sherman came in and the rest is history


Can easily explain that by pointing out PC sometimes playing veterans while prepping rookies. It doesn't mean that Browner's coverage skills are superior to Thurmond's, because they're just not. Browner has his role, but he got burned all the time in ways that Thurmond, even in limited playing time, showed strength against.

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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.


Nope, Browner and Trufant were the starters until Trufant got hurt, Thurmond came in and got hurt, Sherman came in and the rest is history


Can easily explain that by pointing out PC sometimes playing veterans while prepping rookies. It doesn't mean that Browner's coverage skills are superior to Thurmond's, because they're just not. Browner has his role, but he got burned all the time in ways that Thurmond, even in limited playing time, showed strength against.



Can't compare the two. Browner played waaay more snaps. Better comp. Etc. I take Browner every day of the week and twice on Sundays.


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Him replacing Trufant's role would make our defense retardedly hard to go against.


Agreed... but be CAREFUL.

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Alright. Since calling him our 2nd best cover cb is so asinine then there must be an obvious answer who is better. If not Thurmond who is our 2nd best cover man? Don't tell me Browner. Browner's a very good CB, much better all around then Thurmond. But its due to his physicality and beastlyness. Not due to his coverage ability.


J, you really think Thurmond is better in coverage than Browner? Was it Thurmond's zero career INT's that made you feel this way, or his two passes defensed in the last 16 games he's played in? :P

Stats source:http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13473/walter-thurmond

I'm happy Thurmond is on the team, I still think he has a lot of potential. But Winfield could really help us.

Thurmond is clearly better than Browner in coverage. Of course stats aren't going to show it, but when he's on the field his skills definitely show.


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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.


Nope, Browner and Trufant were the starters until Trufant got hurt, Thurmond came in and got hurt, Sherman came in and the rest is history


Can easily explain that by pointing out PC sometimes playing veterans while prepping rookies. It doesn't mean that Browner's coverage skills are superior to Thurmond's, because they're just not. Browner has his role, but he got burned all the time in ways that Thurmond, even in limited playing time, showed strength against.


Yes... but that still means Browner was ahead on the depth chart. Maybe they anticipated Thurmond beating him out eventually, but Carroll would never play a veteran over a rookie (or 2nd year player) he thought was better.
And it's not like he had Browner splitting time - he played every snap.


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Between him and Sherman I think the Seahawks could be something epic. I'd pay the guy what he's worth, which is more, IMO, than people on here seem to think.


Yep, You get what you pay for.
I was so sick of our breakdowns against the run plays, the second half of last Season.
Maybe, just maybe our returning DC has asked for a flier-look-see on Winfield, and maybe feels that his kind of instincts can't be taught.
I see no reason why we shouldn't try him for a 1 year, or maybe even 2, and don't try'n cheap him away to the 9rs, Rams, or Cards.


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IIRC, Browner was behind Thurmond on the depth chart before TIII got hurt.


Nope, Browner and Trufant were the starters until Trufant got hurt, Thurmond came in and got hurt, Sherman came in and the rest is history


Can easily explain that by pointing out PC sometimes playing veterans while prepping rookies. It doesn't mean that Browner's coverage skills are superior to Thurmond's, because they're just not. Browner has his role, but he got burned all the time in ways that Thurmond, even in limited playing time, showed strength against.


You have to admit, Browner's role is pretty unique in the NFL. It amazes me that the officials largely turn a blind eye to his physical play. The fact that you can say a guy his size even possesses above average coverage skills is pretty amazing by itself, but the guy straight up demoralizes whoever is unfortunate enough to line up across from him. Even if Thurmond is the better "on paper" cornerback, Browner's size has proven to be to his benefit in terms of health. His playstyle is more fun to watch, too. I generally find him even more entertaining to watch than Richard Sherman, to be honest, and I love me some Sherm.

I sorta liken Browner to the enforcers of the old NHL, except he is an above average player at his given position. For me, the fact he strikes terror in his opponents is still the main attraction.

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And it's not like he had Browner splitting time - he played every snap.

And even when he was done with serving his suspension, PC put him right back in there to continue with his intimidating features, speaks volumes as to his value at CB, (coverage be damned)
Those that were foolish enough to retaliate against BB's thug-ery ways, were quickly schooled, and decided to skip his classes, rather than be humiliated again.
Smith got away with retaliation against Sherman (until he finally got flagged for it), I'd bet $$ that Smith would have only retaliated > ONCE < before Browner would have shown him what " contact" really means in the phrase, "contact sports". :16:


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Adding Winfield would be an A+ move, on our part. And I'm up with giving him a decent contract, too. At this point Winfield > Woodson.

Winfield will improve this team in 4 criteria.

1) Give this young secondary as someone said a Lawyer Milloy veteran presence. Trufant is good, but he's not legendary and has a more quiet demeanor.

Guys like Lane, Thurmond, Maxwell, and Snead all can learn from this guy.

2) Gives the Seahawks, a quality backup at either starting CB spot if one of our guys go down.

3) Gives the Seahawk, a player in speculation that could be a top notch nickel corner or....

4) Gives the Seahawks, a player in speculation can also convert to FS in place of Thomas allowing the Earl of Boom to kick down as an elite slot defender.

Winfield is deserving for whatever contract the Seahawks give him and I won't question it or disapprove.

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He'd fit in well with the LOB no doubt. Still has some left in the tank, big hitter, leader in the locker room etc. Hopefully they'll sign him.

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After reading Vikings' forums about Winfield, I really hope we sign him now. He sounds like a very good player still.

I also noticed how much animosity a lot of their fans have against the Seahawks. You can tell they are still actually butthurt over the Harvin deal(whether they admit it or not).


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Signing Winfield would continue the talent drain from Minnesota to Seattle. Great player. A little more revenge for Hutch's poison pill.


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I've wanted Winfield since he got released. I'm excited that the Seahawks are giving him a look.


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Honestly one of the best highlight video's I've seen in a while. The music makes it even more epic, but the play is just amazing. Just dominating like it's high school football all over again. I really hope he ends up a Hawk.

How funny would it be to see all these ex-Vikings win a ring with the Hawks this season? The ULTIMATE revenge for the Hutch "Poison Pill" fiasco. Karma.

Edit: Forgot my whole point of this post. The Bernie. We need this guy so that he can do The Bernie before every game. That's the only thing this team is missing. Oh, and a kicker, but The Bernie is definitely more important.

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Agree NYcoug, then in the off season they all could put in a conference call to AP to tell him about how to get a ring too.

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Edit: Forgot my whole point of this post. The Bernie. We need this guy so that he can do The Bernie before every game. That's the only thing this team is missing. Oh, and a kicker, but The Bernie is definitely more important.


So much this. In the NFL forum where that video is also in a thread I said how that is the best part. Ty Lawson got's the move down pretty well to.



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when is the visit? anyone know?

Been living in MN for awhile, and outside of Harvin, Allen and Peterson, this is the only Viking I really like. And I know when he went out to Washington for a visit the local sports radio were tracking that more than when Jennings was visiting. they dont want to lose him.

Would be a great addition for a team trying to get to a Super Bowl.


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The seattle + minnisota dream team is almost complete.

I like chad greenway, kyle rudolph, and their kicker . Can we get them too?


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when is the visit? anyone know?

Been living in MN for awhile, and outside of Harvin, Allen and Peterson, this is the only Viking I really like. And I know when he went out to Washington for a visit the local sports radio were tracking that more than when Jennings was visiting. they dont want to lose him.

Would be a great addition for a team trying to get to a Super Bowl.

IIRC somebody said it was this Wednesday.

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Was thinking the same thing.

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I really like Winfield and I think he deserves to get paid decently but that is part of the problem. I don't for one second think that JS and PC think the time is "now" as expressed in this thread. They are building for long term success while making moves that they think can make them win now but not hurt the team to badly over the years.

Yes Sherman and RW will need to get paid but you can minimize the hits of those contracts by having some cap room coming in, lots of signing bonus spread over the years and then take the bigger hit when the cap starts increasing more again (tied to the next tv contract). So we are coming in under the cap in good shape and setup for the future.

The more we sign players to large contracts the more we "mess" with long term success. So the question which I believe JS and PC will answer much better than us is what is the value of the player vs the cost and our ability to keep being succesful. One key injury and a season can go down the tube so you can't sell out hoping that everything aligns the right way.

I see Winfield playing with the Seahawks if he takes less money than he is worth for the chance to win it all. If he wants to maximize / near maximize a deal he won't be playing for us.


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Saw a report earlier saying he will be in today.


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Spent the morning with a (hardcore) Viking fan today. He described Winfield as relentless and fearless. Felt he was still one of the best corners in the league and shook his head in disgust when I told him he was visiting Seattle today. I asked him why the Vikes would let him walk and his one word answer was "stupid".

In other parts of our conversation he was obviously bitter (and biased) re Harvin. Called him a "nut-job" and said he was "happy" Harvin was no longer on the team (LOL). Went further in saying if he had his choice, he would take Rice over Harvin 10 times out of 10.

I argued his points on Harvin but found him to be an astute guy that identified the fact we were not as good vs the run as we'd like to be. He gushed about Winfield and felt he would contribute to fixing that problem, immediately. Let's get this done, JS!


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Age 35 and 5'9" kinda goes against the grain but if JS and PC want him then I'm on board.


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Age 35 and 5'9" kinda goes against the grain but if JS and PC want him then I'm on board.


His age might go against the grain, but his numbers don't


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After reading Vikings' forums about Winfield, I really hope we sign him now. He sounds like a very good player still.

I also noticed how much animosity a lot of their fans have against the Seahawks. You can tell they are still actually butthurt over the Harvin deal(whether they admit it or not).

They can't be anymore "Butthurt" than the Seahawks were when Hutch decided to screw the Seahawks over with his poison pill chickensh*t exit.


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If 35 is considered old then I may be the predecessor of the dinosaurs.

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If 35 is considered old then I may be the predecessor of the dinosaurs.


Correct.


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I have been really excited about the prospect of Winfield joining the Seahawks, I've voiced how I think he would be a perfect fit and an instant upgrade to one of our few flaws towards the end of last season - run defense and nickel cornerback.

For those of you concerned that his stature conflicts with the Legion of Boom, I don't think there's anything to be worried about. Some people think the L.O.B. is characterized by its size, but I think what really sets the L.O.B. apart from all other secondaries and really is the most crucial aspect is the physicality. Antoine Winfield may only be 5'9" but he has physicality and toughness in bunches. I love Marcus Trufant, but it's hard to argue that he's as physical as the rest of the L.O.B. No other corner in the league last year came CLOSE to how well Winfield defended against the run last year, not even Browner. And Winfield still finished in the top 20 CBs in terms of pass defense too, I believe.

I'm starting to feel sorry for Minnesota, I feel like we've been steadily siphoning their talent since the mid-2000's. They've become our minor league farm team. XD

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Sign him to the veterans minimum and let him compete. Although I'd prefer Thurmond and Lane.

You might want to do a little homework before posting things like this, because saying that you prefer two wholly unproven options (incl. one with a major injury history) to the premier nickel/slot corner in the entire NFL is patently absurd. Also, Winfield isn't signing "for the minimum" somewhere "to compete" like he's some form of camp fodder. He's an elite player at what he does, he has a healthy offer on the table from the Redskins to be a starter, the Vikings are trying to get him back, and anyone who wants him is going to have to pony up.


You've got an AMEN !! Despite being, what, 36 years old the guy is still a player to be reckoned with.
I see nickel corner as being the most needful piece of the pass defense and Winfield is one of the
best in the business. And, yes, he would not come cheap. At least it would stop a lot of us (myself
included) from having Badger dreams.

I also like Lane and, especially, Thurmond trey. Seems every time he makes a play though, he breaks a nail.


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The thing about Winfield is, he is really playing his best football of his career in his 30s.

I get that there is the age thing that generally is a golden rule. But Winfield legitimately is bucking that trend. Not going to say he's Moyer like -- but the guy is not showing decline at all and in fact is showing he's playing better than he ever did in his 20s.

He's a unique player. I would table the age related concerns on him. They really aren't proving to be accurate at all. In fact, there is going to be one team out there who is going to ignore conventional thinking and be happy they did.


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Well, no news yet....Could be that Minnesota will match anything he is offered. I doubt we sign him for too much money. That seems to be the name of the game for anything other than QBs.


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