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  • DavidSeven wrote:
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    DavidSeven wrote:Thanks a lot, Ed Werder. First, you publish an unsubstantiated report that the deal was close then you start a feeding frenzy for Winfield's services since teams are now more likely to copy what the Seahawks do. Poor reporting might cost us this one.


    Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.


    Yeah, I said this earlier in the thread. It felt like Winfield's people floated this info out there for leverage from the jump.



    I still disagree (although less) the Vikings released him... what kind of leverage does Winfield have? He has to limp back with a far more acceptable deal to the team that released him?

    Thats not very good leverage.

    Not saying he wont be back in Minnesota. but if he does it wont be anything close to what the Seahawks offered. It will be purely emotional.
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  • Hope he signs soon. This is killing me.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    volsunghawk wrote:Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.


    Yeah, I said this earlier in the thread. It felt like Winfield's people floated this info out there for leverage from the jump.



    I still disagree (although less) the Vikings released him... what kind of leverage does Winfield have? He has to limp back with a far more acceptable deal to the team that released him?

    Thats not very good leverage.

    Not saying he wont be back in Minnesota. but if he does it wont be anything close to what the Seahawks offered. It will be purely emotional.


    What better way to gain leverage than creating the perception of demand coming from the hottest front office in the league? Just because he's taking a pay cut doesn't mean he can't squeeze all he can out of a new deal. To say that it's pure coincidence that these "last minute teams" emerged immediately after someone reported Seattle had an offer on the table is a stretch. If this was by design, then Winfield has succesfully used the media and the Seahawks to make himself look like the hottest FA on the market. No one was talking about him two weeks ago.

    We should all be glad that the deals with Harvin, Avril and Bennett were actually completed before being leaked to the media.
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  • It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.
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  • Happypuppy wrote:It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.



    I am sure they are telling him "RW came in as a back-up and earned the starting spot, on this team you always have a chance to compete for the starting spot."
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  • Happypuppy wrote:It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.



    Well this goes back to the leverage thing from a few posts ago. Not only did they release him and not offer any restructure, they made it quite clear he wouldnt be able to compete for a cback spot.

    Now, he could return and fill the same role there as he would here... but he would be playing behind two cbs he's probably better than.

    I dont know, i figured it would be done by now so i'm losing confidence it gets done. If it doesnt oh well
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  • I'm still holding out hope...
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  • Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2h
    CB Antoine Winfield was close to deal with Seahawks and still seems his preference but other teams now involved at last minute. Stay tuned


    That was Werder 2 hours ago. I'm sure i'm looking into this too much and def have no clue, however I could see Seattle's FO having a set amount of money they want to rollover for next year, and have given Winfield their offer that they won't budge on. Now I bet his agent is just trying to see how much money he can get from other teams - unless say another strong contendor (say Broncos for example) called Winfield's camp up and one upped our offer?

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  • GCrow wrote:
    Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2h
    CB Antoine Winfield was close to deal with Seahawks and still seems his preference but other teams now involved at last minute. Stay tuned


    That was Werder 2 hours ago. I'm sure i'm looking into this too much and def have no clue, however I could see Seattle's FO having a set amount of money they want to rollover for next year, and have given Winfield their offer that they won't budge on. Now I bet his agent is just trying to see how much money he can get from other teams - unless say another strong contendor (say Broncos for example) called Winfield's camp up and one upped our offer?

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  • If it's not done at this point he's looking for the most money and someone else will definitely pay more than we're willing to.
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  • It seems like a lot of smoke.


    Pay no attention to the smoke.
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  • BlueTalon wrote:It seems like a lot of smoke.


    Pay no attention to the smoke.

    Correct. I am in "I will believe it when I see it" mode. It smells fishy to me at this point.
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  • Hmmm, still absolutely nothing informative about this situation. Annnnnd moving on.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:
    BlueTalon wrote:It seems like a lot of smoke.


    Pay no attention to the smoke.

    Correct. I am in "I will believe it when I see it" mode. It smells fishy to me at this point.


    I've got to admit, despite my letter to Antoine, this does feel a lot like Hugh Douglas or John Abraham all over again...

    But things are different now! This team is a legit contender. Come on Antoine!
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  • NYCoug wrote:
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    BlueTalon wrote:It seems like a lot of smoke.


    Pay no attention to the smoke.

    Correct. I am in "I will believe it when I see it" mode. It smells fishy to me at this point.


    I've got to admit, despite my letter to Antoine, this does feel a lot like Hugh Douglas or John Abraham all over again...

    But things are different now! This team is a legit contender. Come on Antoine!

    I hope it's just me being negative because he really would put us over the top. I am hopeful but in a "wait and see" mode and wouldn't be shocked if we didn't land him.
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  • *reads latest news on Winfield...faints*
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  • Is this deal "imminent?"
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  • im going to Imminent all over your face...;)
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  • The suspense is killing me....
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  • Damned Broncos and other contenders trying to sabotage this potentially great acquisition for the Hawks. One can only hope Winfield is just sitting in his home by the fireplace waiting out the snowfall before he makes a break for Seattle to join Harvin.
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  • I agree... sitting in limbo make me so far from productive. I can't stop checking updates... waiting for news... his agent must have let it out of the bag that we were close to signing him. With all of the positive press in our new additions, teams are likely just looking at what we do and jumping in if they can.
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  • Finally Good News!!

    The snow has begun to let up in Minnesota.

    That damn groundhog Punxsutawney Phil will finally emerge covered in the white stuff to tell us he was wrong about predicting an early spring. He'll then try to predict whether Winfield will sign with Seattle.
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  • You got my hopes up
    Read "finally good news"
    What followed was not what I had hoped.
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  • Shadyhawk182 wrote:You got my hopes up
    Read "finally good news"
    What followed was not what I had hoped.


    Sorry.. Chances of any real news at this hour is pretty slim Shady. :mrgreen:
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  • Russ Willstrong wrote:
    Shadyhawk182 wrote:You got my hopes up
    Read "finally good news"
    What followed was not what I had hoped.


    Sorry.. Chances of any real news at this hour is pretty slim Shady. :mrgreen:

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  • Thanks Shady. You guys are fun to read too. Just checking up for any breaking news like the rest of yall.
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    Russ Willstrong wrote:Finally Good News!!

    The snow has begun to let up in Minnesota.

    That damn groundhog Punxsutawney Phil will finally emerge covered in the white stuff to tell us he was wrong about predicting an early spring. He'll then try to predict whether Winfield will sign with Seattle.


    I don't know what window you're looking from mate but its pissing white stuff right now, and will all night. Damned state. I want to be back on the PNW.. maybe Winny will follow
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  • So apparently the words "close" and "imminent" mean absolutely nothing in the sports media anymore. Good to know. Is there anyone on twitter claiming to be Winfield's cousin's butcher anymore, where's that guy? Maybe he's got an update for us?

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  • NYCoug wrote:So apparently the words "close" and "imminent" mean absolutely nothing in the sports media anymore. Good to know. Is there anyone on twitter claiming to be Winfield's cousin's butcher anymore, where's that guy? Maybe he's got an update for us?

    Ed Werder is a professional troll.



    Close and imminent means he will be signing elsewhere.
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    I want Winfield as much as any of you but at the right price.
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  • What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    Miami. New England may have had a bigger point differential since Welker was the only one that really hurt the Seahawks.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    That's hard to say. First, Winfield is solid in coverage but by no means elite or "lock down." Also, many could legitimately argue that the lack of pass rush was the primary culprit in those losses.

    It would be better to look at losses where we were hurt by the opponent's run game, because that's where Winfield honestly excels.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    Were there any games where Trufant directly led us to a loss?

    I know he had some really bad plays throughout the year, but I never pinned any of the losses directly on him.
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  • Looking at film of both Winfield and Tyrann Mathieu.....(at least their highlights), the two have very similar traits. The three glaring differences are not captured on film: The off field baggage of the Badger, the age of Winfield and the (presumed) price differential between the two. At the rate Mathieu is going, he may slip to the 4th (he can't recall how many drug tests he's failed??). Even at 3 mil for Winfield, the Badger can be had for about 1/6th of that (unless I am mistaken). There is definitely risk with this numbskull, but there is no question he has more remaining years / more upside than Winfield.

    We are in the rare, luxurious position of being able to gamble on a mid rd pick. I wonder if we shouldn't roll the dice on the Badger, offer him very little front money and saddle the terms of his contract with caveats and incentives. Even if beaten out by Thurmond, he would still be a weapon on special teams if he gets his shiz together. If he don't...we lose a valuable pick in this draft but that happens with almost every team in almost every draft.

    I am not suggesting we go through this route...just something I woke up thinking about and wondered if others see this as a viable option?
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    That's hard to say. First, Winfield is solid in coverage but by no means elite or "lock down." Also, many could legitimately argue that the lack of pass rush was the primary culprit in those losses.

    It would be better to look at losses where we were hurt by the opponent's run game, because that's where Winfield honestly excels.




    loss vs. SF they had 175 yards rushing averaging 5.5 ypc
    loss vs. MIA they had 189 rushing yards averaging 6.8 ypc


    two losses directly due to the run game right there
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  • RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


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  • HawkFan72 wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    Were there any games where Trufant directly led us to a loss?

    I know he had some really bad plays throughout the year, but I never pinned any of the losses directly on him.


    That can be said for any player due to it being a team game and not an individual sport. As an individual player though he was horrible. Go back and watch him give up plays to everyone he lined up against.
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:
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    RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    Were there any games where Trufant directly led us to a loss?

    I know he had some really bad plays throughout the year, but I never pinned any of the losses directly on him.


    That can be said for any player due to it being a team game and not an individual sport. As an individual player though he was horrible. Go back and watch him give up plays to everyone he lined up against.


    On one of the KJR shows, it told how many targets Trufaunt had and what the Opponents QB rating was. Trufant was targeted IIRC 40+ last year and surrendered a 90+ QB rating on those plays.

    Meanwhile Winfield was targeted in the top 5 most targets last year and the QB rating on those plays was in the low 70's. Winfield would present a HUGE upgrade over Trufant. It's too bad we couldn't trust a younger player last year to play in those situations, that experience would be invaluable this year.
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  • http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason ... sions-soon

    "Winfield realizes that while he can take his time making a decision, and no one is rushing him, at some point he will need to pick a team and get going with their program. Those close to him expect that decision to come this weekend."
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  • bigcc wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:
    RichNhansom wrote:What games might have ended differently last year if we had Winfield? I can think of a few, like Detroit and Atlanta for a couple but as close as so many games were, it could be more.


    That's hard to say. First, Winfield is solid in coverage but by no means elite or "lock down." Also, many could legitimately argue that the lack of pass rush was the primary culprit in those losses.

    It would be better to look at losses where we were hurt by the opponent's run game, because that's where Winfield honestly excels.




    loss vs. SF they had 175 yards rushing averaging 5.5 ypc
    loss vs. MIA they had 189 rushing yards averaging 6.8 ypc


    two losses directly due to the run game right there


    He definitely would've helped against Bush. I feel like Winfield is built to tackle backs with elusive ability like that. He probably would've helped against Gore, too since I think Gore's compact size makes him tough to tackle.

    Ultimately, though, I think the lack of a consistent pass rush was key in the losses against Detroit, Miami and Atlanta. If you look at the New England and Washington games, the difference was the ability to get to the quarterback on the final drives.

    Not to say we couldn't use an upgrade at nickel back. We do. I just don't think you can hang our losses completely on that position.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    He definitely would've helped against Bush. I feel like Winfield is built to tackle backs with elusive ability like that. He probably would've helped against Gore, too since I think Gore's compact size makes him tough to tackle.

    Ultimately, though, I think the lack of a consistent pass rush was key in the losses against Detroit, Miami and Atlanta. If you look at the New England and Washington games, the difference was the ability to get to the quarterback on the final drives.

    Not to say we couldn't use an upgrade at nickel back. We do. I just don't think you can hang our losses completely on that position.


    Agreed, sorry if I came off sounding that way, pass rush was CLEARLY the number one priority heading into the offseason, but with that handled I feel like DT/ a nickel CB are by far the biggest needs we have left.
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  • I know he's a good player, but the 35 year old Winfield is making this seem like a Peyton Manning type acquisition.
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  • Hawknballs wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/22058500/redskins-seahawks-or-vikings-antoine-winfield-likely-to-make-decisions-soon

    "Winfield realizes that while he can take his time making a decision, and no one is rushing him, at some point he will need to pick a team and get going with their program. Those close to him expect that decision to come this weekend."


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  • IMO in winfield you get a guy who's not going to make a brain-fart mistake at a critical moment, that's why I'm all for this move.

    Even though I feel like Jeremy Lane has a lot of promise...I don't trust him yet in those critical moments where a veteran has seen this thing thousands of times.

    I would love to see us split time with thurmond/lane/winfield.

    Thurmond could be good but who knows. Jeremy Lane is a big play guy, he could be our Jordan Babineaux. Winfield in there when the game is on the line to not let a bone head mistake take place.
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