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  • Yes, it is worth reading through his twitter if you care to get an idea of his credibility (or lack thereof).
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  • Winfield seems like a "have your cake and eat it too" kind of signing. If we get him thats great and awesome, but if we dont, we still have our cake!
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  • The Outfield wrote:This is the tweet I was referring to (read the replies)

    https://twitter.com/SeaHawkFORLife/stat ... 1798801409

    But it should be noted that this person made his first tweet yesterday.


    Like omg, SeahawkFORLife aka CRAZY 12TH MAN reported it, so it must be true! Of course he has a connect to Winfield's cousin in Minnesota. Of course!!
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Winfield seems like a "have your cake and eat it too" kind of signing. If we get him thats great and awesome, but if we dont, we still have our cake!


    Pretty much. Best secondary in the league with or without him.
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  • Seems legit.
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  • well thats too bad if we miss out, but I suppose everyone has a different definition of "winning" best of luck to you Mr. Winfield.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
    The Outfield wrote:This is the tweet I was referring to (read the replies)

    https://twitter.com/SeaHawkFORLife/stat ... 1798801409

    But it should be noted that this person made his first tweet yesterday.


    Like omg, SeahawkFORLife aka CRAZY 12TH MAN reported it, so it must be true! Of course he has a connect to Winfield's cousin in Minnesota. Of course!!


    I hope you don't think I was lending this guy much credibility.

    But also it seems like he might be a MINN fan impersonating a SEA fan:
    @RapSheet I am a seahawk fan a disappointed but tell this rude fans facts are facts
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  • The Outfield wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:
    The Outfield wrote:This is the tweet I was referring to (read the replies)

    https://twitter.com/SeaHawkFORLife/stat ... 1798801409

    But it should be noted that this person made his first tweet yesterday.


    Like omg, SeahawkFORLife aka CRAZY 12TH MAN reported it, so it must be true! Of course he has a connect to Winfield's cousin in Minnesota. Of course!!


    I hope you don't think I was lending this guy much credibility.

    But also it seems like he might be a MINN fan impersonating a SEA fan:
    @RapSheet I am a seahawk fan a disappointed but tell this rude fans facts are facts


    Ha no. Just commenting on his ridiculous account. Dude's clearly trollin'.
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  • If he signs with MIN it is just about the money,IMO and not about playing for one of the best teams in the NFL. Even Dion Sanders took a 1yr deal with SF just for chance to win it all ... And lead to bigger paydays with DAL
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  • Happypuppy wrote:If he signs with MIN it is just about the money,IMO and not about playing for one of the best teams in the NFL. Even Dion Sanders took a 1yr deal with SF just for chance to win it all ... And lead to bigger paydays with DAL


    I wouldn't say that necessarily. I mean, he has played in Minnesota for 9 years. He may feel loyalty to the team and want to stay for that reason.
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  • Happypuppy wrote:If he signs with MIN it is just about the money,IMO and not about playing for one of the best teams in the NFL. Even Dion Sanders took a 1yr deal with SF just for chance to win it all ... And lead to bigger paydays with DAL


    Or it could just be about staying at home. Playing in the city where he's played most of his career. Wanting to finish out his career in one place. Nothing wrong with that, imo.

    But I also think he still signs with Seattle (and then gets beat out by Thurmond in camp), i'm not buying this twitter rumor crap.
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  • I wouldn't blame him for staying in Minny, family there? Relocate for one year deal? There will more to it than the money and the Hawks don't need to have him though he would make another nice addition.
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  • (This thread has been an emotional rollercoaster)... but the way I see it, we will win with Winfield and we will win without Winfield. If we are winning without him, we are winning without using cap space (and money) on his salary. It would be awesome to have him here, but I am confident the savings will be put to good use. Still keeping my fingers crossed.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:
    Happypuppy wrote:If he signs with MIN it is just about the money,IMO and not about playing for one of the best teams in the NFL. Even Dion Sanders took a 1yr deal with SF just for chance to win it all ... And lead to bigger paydays with DAL


    Or it could just be about staying at home. Playing in the city where he's played most of his career. Wanting to finish out his career in one place. Nothing wrong with that, imo.

    But I also think he still signs with Seattle (and then gets beat out by Thurmond in camp), i'm not buying this twitter rumor crap.


    I like Thurmond, but I have for the past few years, and he's ALWAYS been hurt. Very unreliable. Not to mention Winfield is arguably the best nickel/slot corner in the league, and top-tier no matter how you slice it. IF Thurmond stays healthy, I think he can be the eventual replacement for Browner if we so choose to go another way. But not for Winfield if he's signed, not next year at least.
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  • I see him as a key piece that could mean the difference in an additional win or two. We may be able to still win the division without him but that one or two extra loss's could mean the difference between the 3 or 4 seed and home field throughout. It doesn't cripple us without him but it would make us better and those close games more winnable
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
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    DavidSeven wrote:I think it's possible that Winfield's people floated this info out there to put some pressure on the Vikings. I bet he's willing to take less with Seattle, but could be swayed by Minnesota upping their initial offer.


    he could have done that when he visited the Redskins.


    Redskins have virtually $0.00 in cap space. They would have had to shift money going to their signed players just to offer Winfield a vet minimum deal. They were never a threat to the Vikings in terms of money.



    If the point was just to take an offer back to Minnesota what difference does it make what the offer was. The idea was that Winfield was using teams to negotiate with Minnesota.
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  • This twitter thing isnt legit. Not saying Winfield to Seattle is a done deal. But Minnesota sports radio was lamenting his loss both yesterday afternoon and this morning (despite cautioning his move to Seattle wasnt official).

    Look, Minnesota has had numerous chances to sign him, and didnt. If they want him now they are in a fight for him. Why take that risk?

    For me, he signs with Seattle. As others said, either way we're fine. But living out here in Minny for the last 12 years, this guy is probably the most popular and well liked Viking. Great run stopper, good in cover, great leader. Will be a great fit here
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  • Uncle Si wrote:This twitter thing isnt legit. Not saying Winfield to Seattle is a done deal. But Minnesota sports radio was lamenting his loss both yesterday afternoon and this morning (despite cautioning his move to Seattle wasnt official).

    Look, Minnesota has had numerous chances to sign him, and didnt. If they want him now they are in a fight for him. Why take that risk?

    For me, he signs with Seattle. As others said, either way we're fine. But living out here in Minny for the last 12 years, this guy is probably the most popular and well liked Viking. Great run stopper, good in cover, great leader. Will be a great fit here

    True. My feeling is that Antoine is Licking his chops to sign and to start for us rather then to groom his successors in Minnesota as a part time player. He's taking his time out of respect for his fans, his coach and for his family who will likely welcome the move. Can't wait for it to be official :)
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  • A little more money to ride of into the sunset with compared to riding off into the sunset with a legit chance to finish your career off with a Superbowl Ring.
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  • He hasn't been signed yet people, those twitters are not reliable accounts. My guess is we will find out today what he wants to do. My money is on us. Similar if not more money than Min can offer, way better roster, realistic chance to win it all this year and finish his career with a bang.
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  • Funny how ESPN is reporting this as a done deal to Seattle pretty much. They must really trust their boys Werder and Clayton, although honestly, it seems like they are always wrong on things like this.

    Or it could just be another example of ESPN making the drop from former worldwide leader in sports to guesstimating, sometimes right, most of the time wrong but who cares we'll just act like nothing ever happened, tabloid.

    Yeah, my money's on the latter. Let's just hope they are right on this one for a change. It would be HUGE!
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  • I read he has a kid playing HS sports in Minn so he's taking his time.
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  • Not sure how much of a factor this will be in affecting his decision but OLD MAN WINTER has again thrown Minnesotans a miserable curveball today. I heard that some 5000 car crashes were reported throughout the state and its still early. 3-8 inches of snow ontop of sleet/ice that accrued overnight in the St Paul/Minneapolis area. ;)
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  • Russ Willstrong wrote:Not sure how much of a factor this will be in affecting his decision but OLD MAN WINTER has again thrown Minnesotans a miserable curveball today. I heard that some 5000 car crashes were reported throughout the state and its still early. 3-8 inches of snow ontop of sleet/ice that accrued overnight in the St Paul/Minneapolis area. ;)



    Yeah, man, it's brutal today. LightRails are frozen and offline. My buddy who has many pair of Twins season tickets is getting slaughtered this year on resales. I was in Amsterdam two days ago and came back for this??
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  • Unfortunately bad weather there probably doesn't influence him because he has seen what the area is like in good weather too.

    Unfortunately Seattle has a reputation for rain 365 days a year and when he was here the weather sucked. The problem is he hasn't seen what Seattle is like when the weather is nice so that bad weather could have cemented the rumors. Hope I'm wrong, I more excited about Winfield than Avril or Bennett.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:Unfortunately bad weather there probably doesn't influence him because he has seen what the area is like in good weather too.

    Unfortunately Seattle has a reputation for rain 365 days a year and when he was here the weather sucked. The problem is he hasn't seen what Seattle is like when the weather is nice so that bad weather could have cemented the rumors. Hope I'm wrong, I more excited about Winfield than Avril or Bennett.


    You don't think there are people on this team he trusts to set that record straight?
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  • Hard to know if we are being played in order to allow Winfield to get a better deal from Minnie?

    Seems to me as the OP said , the longer it takes the better we start to look for Winfield.
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  • Yea unfortunately it wont matter. That quote of 5000 reports of crashes seems high to me. I heard it on espn 1500 radio but cant confirm it. Any who im not celebrating folks misery. Hope you stay safe BFS. Cheers to snowball fighting in April.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:Hard to know if we are being played in order to allow Winfield to get a better deal from Minnie?

    Seems to me as the OP said , the longer it takes the better we start to look for Winfield.


    I kinda look at it the other way. The longer it takes, the more emotion wins out. And while his legacy lies in Seattle, Winfield's heart is likely in Minnesota.
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  • RichNhansom wrote: The problem is he hasn't seen what Seattle is like when the weather is nice .


    He also hasn't seen Unicorns :D
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  • Man, if it comes down to his kid, I don't think he comes here. Moving is very hard on children in their teens. I know. I lived it. Can't blame the guy if he chooses Minny for that reason.
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  • bestfightstory wrote:
    Russ Willstrong wrote:Not sure how much of a factor this will be in affecting his decision but OLD MAN WINTER has again thrown Minnesotans a miserable curveball today. I heard that some 5000 car crashes were reported throughout the state and its still early. 3-8 inches of snow ontop of sleet/ice that accrued overnight in the St Paul/Minneapolis area. ;)



    Yeah, man, it's brutal today. LightRails are frozen and offline. My buddy who has many pair of Twins season tickets is getting slaughtered this year on resales. I was in Amsterdam two days ago and came back for this??



    saw a car on 694 W near Woodbury facing the wrong direction... in the middle of the highway. that was at 7am.

    Retribution for last year's 70 degree April i guess.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    bestfightstory wrote:
    Russ Willstrong wrote:Not sure how much of a factor this will be in affecting his decision but OLD MAN WINTER has again thrown Minnesotans a miserable curveball today. I heard that some 5000 car crashes were reported throughout the state and its still early. 3-8 inches of snow ontop of sleet/ice that accrued overnight in the St Paul/Minneapolis area. ;)



    Yeah, man, it's brutal today. LightRails are frozen and offline. My buddy who has many pair of Twins season tickets is getting slaughtered this year on resales. I was in Amsterdam two days ago and came back for this??



    saw a car on 694 W near Woodbury facing the wrong direction... in the middle of the highway. that was at 7am.

    Retribution for last year's 70 degree April i guess.

    The Governor probably had something to do with it. ((The Walking Dead reference))
    Anyways..I guess that crap is coming our way too(Michigan). Last year was an anomaly. We had a week of 80 degree weather IN MARCH. It's back to the normal non-springlike weather for the Midwest. Probably won't get a Spring like normal. Yep. It goes from Winter right into Summer out here.
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  • Seahwkgal wrote:The Governor probably had something to do with it. ((The Walking Dead reference))
    Anyways..I guess that crap is coming our way too(Michigan). Last year was an anomaly. We had a week of 80 degree weather IN MARCH. It's back to the normal non-springlike weather for the Midwest. Probably won't get a Spring like normal. Yep. It goes from Winter right into Summer out here.



    Lightining, Thunder and snow at the same time... definitely the oncoming zombie apocolypse.

    Winfield should get is family out of there quick... get somewhere near mountains, and an ocean
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  • Sounds like this thing isn't going to be resolved very quickly.
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  • Thanks a lot, Ed Werder. First, you publish an unsubstantiated report that the deal was close then you start a feeding frenzy for Winfield's services since teams are now more likely to copy what the Seahawks do. Poor reporting might cost us this one.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:Thanks a lot, Ed Werder. First, you publish an unsubstantiated report that the deal was close then you start a feeding frenzy for Winfield's services since teams are now more likely to copy what the Seahawks do. Poor reporting might cost us this one.


    Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:Thanks a lot, Ed Werder. First, you publish an unsubstantiated report that the deal was close then you start a feeding frenzy for Winfield's services since teams are now more likely to copy what the Seahawks do. Poor reporting might cost us this one.


    Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.


    Yeah, I said this earlier in the thread. It felt like Winfield's people floated this info out there for leverage from the jump.
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  • Werder isn't the culprit it is the other teams that played it coy until the 11th hour. In the end Winfield just needs to lick his wounds and head back to the Vikings. Seahawks tried playing it cool as well then struck but this time the player had to deal with an emotional tug at him as well. Avril and Bennett didn't have their former teams playing on their emotions and the deal was closed quicker.

    To be honest, didn't think the team was even in the running only to see they had a ballpark figure they would jump in on and sounds like a few others are finding that they could make it work as well. No need to rush to a decision if you have a market.
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  • DavidSeven wrote:
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    DavidSeven wrote:Thanks a lot, Ed Werder. First, you publish an unsubstantiated report that the deal was close then you start a feeding frenzy for Winfield's services since teams are now more likely to copy what the Seahawks do. Poor reporting might cost us this one.


    Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.


    Yeah, I said this earlier in the thread. It felt like Winfield's people floated this info out there for leverage from the jump.



    I still disagree (although less) the Vikings released him... what kind of leverage does Winfield have? He has to limp back with a far more acceptable deal to the team that released him?

    Thats not very good leverage.

    Not saying he wont be back in Minnesota. but if he does it wont be anything close to what the Seahawks offered. It will be purely emotional.
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  • Hope he signs soon. This is killing me.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    volsunghawk wrote:Personally, I don't think that Werder is a poor reporter. But I do believe that he has shown that he'll disseminate without question whatever a team or agent wants him to. Wouldn't be surprised if Werder was told that a deal was close by Winfield's agent in order to spark that feeding frenzy.


    Yeah, I said this earlier in the thread. It felt like Winfield's people floated this info out there for leverage from the jump.



    I still disagree (although less) the Vikings released him... what kind of leverage does Winfield have? He has to limp back with a far more acceptable deal to the team that released him?

    Thats not very good leverage.

    Not saying he wont be back in Minnesota. but if he does it wont be anything close to what the Seahawks offered. It will be purely emotional.


    What better way to gain leverage than creating the perception of demand coming from the hottest front office in the league? Just because he's taking a pay cut doesn't mean he can't squeeze all he can out of a new deal. To say that it's pure coincidence that these "last minute teams" emerged immediately after someone reported Seattle had an offer on the table is a stretch. If this was by design, then Winfield has succesfully used the media and the Seahawks to make himself look like the hottest FA on the market. No one was talking about him two weeks ago.

    We should all be glad that the deals with Harvin, Avril and Bennett were actually completed before being leaked to the media.
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  • It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.
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  • Happypuppy wrote:It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.



    I am sure they are telling him "RW came in as a back-up and earned the starting spot, on this team you always have a chance to compete for the starting spot."
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  • Happypuppy wrote:It would be nice to sign him, but in the bigger picture he would be the 5th back. That in itself would be hard to take for a starter and still a very good DB. I just can't seem him going back to MIN. They cut him, didn't by accounts try to get him to agree to a restructure or even let him know it was coming. Sounds like disrespect, and when ego is involved...

    He sees what is happening with the older players that are FA. A lot are still available. He is just trying to milk some more $$ from someone.



    Well this goes back to the leverage thing from a few posts ago. Not only did they release him and not offer any restructure, they made it quite clear he wouldnt be able to compete for a cback spot.

    Now, he could return and fill the same role there as he would here... but he would be playing behind two cbs he's probably better than.

    I dont know, i figured it would be done by now so i'm losing confidence it gets done. If it doesnt oh well
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  • I'm still holding out hope...
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  • Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2h
    CB Antoine Winfield was close to deal with Seahawks and still seems his preference but other teams now involved at last minute. Stay tuned


    That was Werder 2 hours ago. I'm sure i'm looking into this too much and def have no clue, however I could see Seattle's FO having a set amount of money they want to rollover for next year, and have given Winfield their offer that they won't budge on. Now I bet his agent is just trying to see how much money he can get from other teams - unless say another strong contendor (say Broncos for example) called Winfield's camp up and one upped our offer?

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  • GCrow wrote:
    Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2h
    CB Antoine Winfield was close to deal with Seahawks and still seems his preference but other teams now involved at last minute. Stay tuned


    That was Werder 2 hours ago. I'm sure i'm looking into this too much and def have no clue, however I could see Seattle's FO having a set amount of money they want to rollover for next year, and have given Winfield their offer that they won't budge on. Now I bet his agent is just trying to see how much money he can get from other teams - unless say another strong contendor (say Broncos for example) called Winfield's camp up and one upped our offer?

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    Yeah, it's a safe bet the FO won't overspend for a player in what is already an area of strength for the team. He'd be a great addition, but not "at any cost."
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  • If it's not done at this point he's looking for the most money and someone else will definitely pay more than we're willing to.
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