NaVorro Bowman on Seahawks: You have to earn hype

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  • Guess I read that differently than some. If anything, I thought he was giving some respect talking about how the NFCW brings it.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Shinigami wrote:He actually praised the Seahawks he sounds like a reasonable guy and most of what he said makes sense. Chill out people and take a compliment from a heated rival.


    Exactly.

    I don't understand why you guys are getting bent out of shape about this.


    I know I'm not. Bowman did a good job of commentary. Outstanding player and like the attitude. Fits in very well to what I consider the most talented group of LB'ers in the league. They make that defense work regardless of what the line is doing. When you see the Niners defense giving up plays, it isn't usually any fault of that group.
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  • Sheesh, page after page about an interview where Bowman was giving us props, but so many are locking onto a quote taken out of context.

    I agree with everything he said. You have to prove it again every season. What we did in the second half of last season doesn't mean squat unless we follow through. Win the division then we start talking.
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  • I only find the comment intersting, because he talks as if the 49ers are some elite squad that's been around for a half decade. IN reality, the 49ers are new to the party of "consistent contenders" With JUST 2 good year under their belt, they talk as if they've been doing it for years.

    That's why it's laughable to me. The Seahawks have to earn the respect? Pretty sure Since PC has come here the Seahawks have 2 playoffs appearances and 1 division title. That's pretty darn good. All the while rebuilding an aging and talent depleted franchise

    Since 2003 (last 10 seasons) 85-75 (overall record) Seattle has 6 winning seasons, 7 playoff appearances, 5 division championships and 1 conference championship.
    2008, 2009 were our down years of the decade. Pretty consistent and successful decade the last 10 years has been.

    So SF-- since 2003 (last 10 seasons) 70-89-1 (overall record)-- They have 2 winning seasons with 2 division titles and 1 conference championship.

    Both franchises appear to be built for long-term success. It should be fun to see to see how it all plays out. This rivilry kind has the potential to be similar to the 49ers vs Cowboys in the 90's, Or if the 2 QB's develop like we all hope, it could turn into something similar to what the PATS and COLTS had this last decade-- though being in the same division really raises the bar on the drama.
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  • Someone should let Bowman know how average their defense suddenly looks when Justin Smith is off the field if he wants to talk about "earning hype".
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  • Today on NFL Network they were posing the question "if we sign Antoine Winfield do we overtake SF in the NFC west". They said they believe we have already won the offseason over SF but they wouldn't say that we are better then them. It is almost like most of the analysts completely disregard the fact that when we were at our best and SF at their best we completely destroyed them. Yes, they beat us early in the season 13-6, them with Smith and we were still getting our sea legs. But with 2 weeks left in the year SF and SEA trying to win the west we destroyed them 42-13, with them scoring a TD against our backups.

    Just because they went to the superbowl says nothing about SF or SEA and the NFC West. We are a more complete team and with our additions this year have left them in the dust.
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  • Schadie001 wrote:Today on NFL Network they were posing the question "if we sign Antoine Winfield do we overtake SF in the NFC west". They said they believe we have already won the offseason over SF but they wouldn't say that we are better then them. It is almost like most of the analysts completely disregard the fact that when we were at our best and SF at their best we completely destroyed them. Yes, they beat us early in the season 13-6, them with Smith and we were still getting our sea legs. But with 2 weeks left in the year SF and SEA trying to win the west we destroyed them 42-13, with them scoring a TD against our backups.

    Just because they went to the superbowl says nothing about SF or SEA and the NFC West. We are a more complete team and with our additions this year have left them in the dust.


    Dream team, AMIRITE?

    It's not even possible that a team like the Rams could possibly compete with the mighty Seahawks!
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  • ug. still pisses me off we didn't get to play them in the NFC championship game..that would have been an epic game.
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  • QuickLightning wrote:Dream team, AMIRITE?

    It's not even possible that a team like the Rams could possibly compete with the mighty Seahawks!


    Well, they probably can't count on having a fake field goal TD and two 60 yard field goals happen in the same game again. 8)
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  • Hype is for teams like Dallas.
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  • I don't get hyped up about this. NO pun intended. What he said is pretty true; we have a team that thrives on being underdogs and plays with a chip on their shoulder. We've all wondered the same thing: what happens when there's no chip ? How will they manufacture disrespect ? How will they play when they're expected to win, and not being "dissed" ?

    Also, the whole "they only won the division by 1/2 a game" argument really makes us look like sore losers. The other side of that argument is that "1/2 a game" was in Detroit, Miami, Arizona, and St. Louis....all to losing teams, and we didn't take care of that business. Also, I agree that the pasting we gave them up here showed our team trending upwards, but that also gives the Niners a large amount of motivation at their house next year.

    It's going to be decided on the field next year, and no amount of talking will change it.
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  • I'm not really seeing any hype. Actually if there is any hype IMO it would be about the Niners. Every year you have to prove you are as good as your roster looks on paper. Right now the Niners need to prove they can replace their NT, Safety TE/HB and Kaep can get the ball to Boldin. There seems to be an automatic assumption that all those are just gonna work out. That is hype IMO. Seems it should be reasonable to question how they will make all those moves seemlessly while keeping Justin Smith healthy at 34 and Gore at 30.

    So far the question has been repeatedly asked if we have caught or over taken them. I haven't seen or heard any media hyping us as super bowl favorites, even most fans are realistic for the most part. Sure some believe we are set up to make a run but why wouldn't you? It's not like we backed into the playoffs or even that this team was bad before Wilson arrived. 7-9 with Jackson was a reflection of how bad we needed to improve QB play (more than anything else) not a reflection of a bad team. Look at the games we won in 2011. Most should be credited to the defense and running game. It was pretty obvious in 2011 we had a very good team just needing a QB that could benefit the team rather than just plodding along.

    Keep in mind if you believe Jackson was a decent QB then maybe you should feel we need to prove last year wasn't a fluke but to me with all the improvements we made from 2010 to 2011 there was no excuse (espeacially with an easier schedule or how many back up QB's we ended up facing) for ending up with the same record. This team has shown significant growth year over year and with better QB play we would have seen that reflected in the win total.

    I don't see any reason for us to not make another significant step forward and thats not hype, that is based on the growth year over year and the additions we made so far this year.
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  • Bowman is absolutely correct and said nothing disrespectful
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  • Shaz wrote:Bowman is absolutely correct and said nothing disrespectful


    Exactly. No winning happens in March. He gave us plenty respect, but still repped his team in a subtle manner. Very professional.
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  • ''You have to earn hype''? What?

    No, you have to earn respect, earn wins, earn championships.

    Hype is just hype. With nothing backing it up, just talk, it's hype. How do you earn it? Doesn't make sense to me.
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  • I think that one thing you have to keep in mind is that Bowman is on that team's defense. Yes, they've only had a couple good years, but their defense has been good for four or five years now. So, that's his perspective. I thought he was pretty respectful and basically what he's saying is that the NFC West is a tough division, which is the truth.

    Actually, I think there is a lot more respect for the Seahawks down there than people around here realize. The last time I was down there, my uncle was complaining about how so many of his Niner buddies keep telling him the Hawks are going to knock the Niners off this year. And, my brother tells me that most of the Niner fans on the chat board he visits think the teams are totally equal right now.
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  • i don't see the problem here, he said what he's suppose to say.. you have to earn respect, and as far as us drawing even with them, he basically dodged the question and said, won't speak on them, all i know is the 49ers are working to be the best everyday.... don't know what else he's suppose to say... ya you're right man , they're better than us now?
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  • I don't see how anyone can not think these 2 teams are equal

    They are built almost exactly the same from the Front Office and down (Give or take a few things here or there)

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  • F him and all things Niner.

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  • First him and then Roddy White, I can smell the fear even in Kansas City and it is sweet.
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  • KCHawkGirl wrote:First him and then Roddy White, I can smell the fear even in Kansas City and it is sweet.

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  • BBHawks wrote:HawksSoc, thank you for a sane response to HansGruber smack. HansGruber-style smack is why the majority of other fans around the country, not just Niner fans, think we're a bunch of idiots.

    Please get a hold of yourselves. For one thing, that Niner linebacker acknowledged that the Hawks are a tough team and acknowledged that the Hawks kicked their asses. But HawksSoc and Navarro Bowman are right - the Niners won the NFC West. The Niners won the NFC Conference. Our Hawks didn't. So, if you're going to rush to your keyboard and say the Niners suck, what does that say about the team that came in second to the Niners? I don't care if it brings a smile to anyone's face. It makes me shake my head and wonder what kind of fan looks at a franchise with a history like the Niners and says they suck as a franchise. What the hell are you talking about? I wish the Hawks had at least a couple championships. I'm hoping they get them in the next five years. But, if you go into the next couple of years thinking the Niners are finished or that the Seahawks have their number and the Niners are pushovers, you're living in a dream world.

    You put too much stock in what other fanbases think. I was like you until XL* happened.
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  • If Seattle needs to earn their hype, San Francisco needs to earn their hype as well.
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  • Rude144 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:42-13

    Tired of seahawk fans using that 42-13 regular season ,didnt the 9ers win the last 4?, ths is what i think of that game:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lhOUyy4wbs



    Do you think some around here might be a little tired of hearing the "5 rings"?

    Well what's more relevant, a game you can pull off your DVR or games you have to go to the History channel to see?

    You make sure you get your "last 4" quote in there which is also in no way relevant. Did the 9ers turn over their entire roster during that stretch? Is it more relevant to beat Tavarus Jackson or Russell Wilson? Because again in the current era, 1-1 against Wilson and your current QB is 0-1.

    If you don't like hearing about the last time we played then I recommend you don't reference things that have zero bearing on the current teams.
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  • RichNhansom wrote:
    Rude144 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:42-13

    Tired of seahawk fans using that 42-13 regular season ,didnt the 9ers win the last 4?, ths is what i think of that game:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lhOUyy4wbs



    Do you think some around here might be a little tired of hearing the "5 rings"?

    Well what's more relevant, a game you can pull off your DVR or games you have to go to the History channel to see?

    You make sure you get your "last 4" quote in there which is also in no way relevant. Did the 9ers turn over their entire roster during that stretch? Is it more relevant to beat Tavarus Jackson or Russell Wilson? Because again in the current era, 1-1 against Wilson and your current QB is 0-1.

    If you don't like hearing about the last time we played then I recommend you don't reference things that have zero bearing on the current teams.


    good point. The only reason the last outing is pointed out is because it's the last reference point between the 2 teams. It is the MOST RELAVANT, because it was most recent. It probably wouldn't be cited if say it was a 21-17 game. Instead it was complete domination from the Seahawks perspective. You can't just shove aside that evidence.

    Also for as much as the national media wants to say SF is a great team. The fact is in 3 of your 4 losses last year. SF was beat handily. Minn- lost by 11, NYG- lost by 23, SEA- Lost by 29. That to me doesn't indicate a dominant team. Meanwhile Seattle's worse lost was by 7 points to the 49ers.

    The point is using only last year as a point of reference the Seahawks were the more consistent team last year.
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  • seattle beat the team the played in the superbowl by 29.... don't want to hear the injury excuses, we had some too...don't want to hear the jet lag excuses, we went to your house on a short week and lost by 7 in a game we could have/should have won had our guys been able to catch a cold...

    that game in Seattle is the true measuring stick when comparting our teams and i think that's what stings you guys so much.. our current roster, spanked your current roster and golden boy QB.... and now your DB core is weaker than it was last season, while our recieving core is much more dangerous.. our defensive backfield is much stronger than last , while your team improved slightly in the recieving core......not looking good for the niners.
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  • Rude144 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:42-13

    Tired of seahawk fans using that 42-13 regular season ,didnt the 9ers win the last 4?, ths is what i think of that game:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lhOUyy4wbs


    Exactly

    Especially since we won quite a few games and an NFC Championship trophy AFTER that game by beating the same team in the same place that Seattle couldn't beat the week before.

    I would say that is pretty relevant.
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  • hawker84 wrote:seattle beat the team the played in the superbowl by 29.... don't want to hear the injury excuses, we had some too...don't want to hear the jet lag excuses, we went to your house on a short week and lost by 7 in a game we could have/should have won had our guys been able to catch a cold...

    that game in Seattle is the true measuring stick when comparting our teams and i think that's what stings you guys so much.. our current roster, spanked your current roster and golden boy QB.... and now your DB core is weaker than it was last season, while our recieving core is much more dangerous.. our defensive backfield is much stronger than last , while your team improved slightly in the recieving core......not looking good for the niners.


    I think to be a legit playoff and superbowl team, you have to win on the road. Unfortunately the 'Hawks - as much as I think the are a pretty good and tough team - are 3-5 last year (and the year before too) away from C-link field. The superbowl is an away game, in the sense that it's not going to be played at Clink field. It's going to be played outside of it. Hawks, until they win more on the road than at home, will always fall to the team that can win on the road. Just my opinion, of course. I respect the quality of both teams - most likely both will make the playoffs if both teams do well in the upcomming draft.
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  • Giedi wrote:
    hawker84 wrote:seattle beat the team the played in the superbowl by 29.... don't want to hear the injury excuses, we had some too...don't want to hear the jet lag excuses, we went to your house on a short week and lost by 7 in a game we could have/should have won had our guys been able to catch a cold...

    that game in Seattle is the true measuring stick when comparting our teams and i think that's what stings you guys so much.. our current roster, spanked your current roster and golden boy QB.... and now your DB core is weaker than it was last season, while our recieving core is much more dangerous.. our defensive backfield is much stronger than last , while your team improved slightly in the recieving core......not looking good for the niners.


    I think to be a legit playoff and superbowl team, you have to win on the road. Unfortunately the 'Hawks - as much as I think the are a pretty good and tough team - are 3-5 last year (and the year before too) away from C-link field. The superbowl is an away game, in the sense that it's not going to be played at Clink field. It's going to be played outside of it. Hawks, until they win more on the road than at home, will always fall to the team that can win on the road. Just my opinion, of course. I respect the quality of both teams - most likely both will make the playoffs if both teams do well in the upcomming draft.


    I think the whole "Seahawks can't win on the road" argument is overblown. It isn't like Seahawks played horribly on the road. In those 5 road losses, Seattle lost by a combined 24 points-- or 4.8 points per game. That's less than a TD a game and 4 of those losses came in the 1st half of the season when Russell Wilson and CO. were still getting their feet under them. Also consider this- of the first 8 games last year 5 of them were on the road. That's not an easy task for any team.

    1st half- 2012 1-4 road
    2nd half- 2012 2-1 road

    Did Seattle had a hard time closing out games on the road? Sure did. Only 1 of those games did they hold off their opponent. Against Carolina they stopped Cam Newton on downs, then Irvin got the strip sack to end the game. Whereas in the Detroit and Atlanta game (playoffs) the defense laid an egg on what should have been impressive game winning drives for Wilson and co. The Bears game was all the offense as the defense once again surrendered a last second lead, only for Wilson to drive the distance for the game winning TD.

    I predict the Seahawks WILL have a winning road record in 2013 and all this "can't will on the road" nonsense will be put to rest.
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  • Put the Atlanta game in perspective also. We took the lead with 31 seconds remaining and our kicker (replacing our starter injured on Fedex field) kicked the ball way short giving Atlanta great field position and then we struggled to hold off the last drive but in part due to the loss of our best DE in Clemons who tore his ACL on Fedex field. Also consider Lynch sprained his ankle on that field the week before.

    I think the odds go way up if we don't lose 2.5 key players the week before. Consider if we didn't play at Fedex the week before and were as healthy going into Atlanta as we were going into DC. It looks pretty obvious that they probably wouldn't have even been close.

    What if you guys had that same scenario? Do you still think you win? You lost Justin Smith for a half in NE and the game against us and in 6 quarters were outscored by around 70 points.

    You barley beat them as you were. You probably don't even come close in similar circumstances.

    Not really as good of an example as playing head to head. Like someone else said, we beat Baltimore by 29 but you don't hear us using that as an example. Well until now.

    You guys can thank Dan Schneider and Fedex field for not having to play us for the right to go to the super bowl.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Rude144 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:42-13

    Tired of seahawk fans using that 42-13 regular season ,didnt the 9ers win the last 4?, ths is what i think of that game:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lhOUyy4wbs


    Exactly

    Especially since we won quite a few games and an NFC Championship trophy AFTER that game by beating the same team in the same place that Seattle couldn't beat the week before.

    I would say that is pretty relevant.

    Once again, you beat ATL by one play, Seattle lost to ATL by one play. Not much difference in the effort required between a W and L. Certainly no more difference than having our leading pass rusher out of the game.
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  • Giedi wrote:Hawks, until they win more on the road than at home, will always fall to the team that can win on the road. Just my opinion, of course. I respect the quality of both teams - most likely both will make the playoffs if both teams do well in the upcomming draft.


    So basically... until the Seahawks have a perfect season they're never going to win the superbowl?

    But how can you win more than 100% of the time?
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  • BirdsCommaAngry wrote:Injuries are a part of the game.



    Of course injuries are part of the game. For example how many times have you heard that Justin Smith was injured in the Seattle game? It doesn't mean it has no bearing, especially if you are comparing common games that either team won or lost.

    How many times have you heard a Niner fan point out that they beat the team (Atlanta) that we couldn't? If both teams are healthy and in similar situations, IE same venue, similar health, similar scheduling on and on, then it is a valid point but if you want to dismiss a head to head game and use another game as an example it has to be some what equal circumstance and the Atlanta game has many more variables than the head to head.

    Maybe if they were to have blown them out vs our loss, you could make an argument but that is not what happened. In fact the most similar component of both games was how slowly each team started out and then overcame that poor start.

    Would you rather have a week off to get healthy, play a home game and then a late east coast game or play back to back east coast games with the second one starting at 10am?

    Had they demoralized Atlanta then this conversation would be different but they didn't and the difference in that game wasn't them being better than us it was the difference of schedule, health and Matt Ryan getting injured. That is not a sound argument for we are the better team and the head to head battles mean nothing.
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