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We should offer Oakland a 7th for Matt Flynn. Just to see if they're paying attention.



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Bringing in Young wouldn't just be dumb.

It would be moronic. Maybe even moronic enough to tip team chemistry.

Ask the Texas fans, they will tell you stories of Vince telling his coaches to shut the hell up. They will tell you stories about him creating an us vs them mentality between the players and coaches.

Not to mention that the guy has the IQ of a sandflea. How exactly would this help us?

Backup QBs are actually important. Ask Steelers fans about it but it doesn't have to just be something that severe.

There have been times where a good team gets their QB hurt in a hard fought game, the next game is against a lesser team so they rest the guy to let him heal. The backup keeps the team on track for a game or two. Then the starter comes back in fully healed without nagging injuries that will affect the team through the playoffs.

We are neck and neck with the 49ers in chasing after the division, based just on last year. The rest of the teams in our division are getting better and teams like Atlanta are getting better but getting an easier schedule. Contrary to popular belief, we do not have a road to the Super Bowl paved with pillows. One or two games lost because of a freak injury can hurt us. Heck last year, one game might have been the difference between homefield throughout the playoffs.

Bringing in a guy who would lose an IQ contest to a tube of toothpaste is not going to help things.

A backup needs to do two of the three:

1. Be a possible QB in development for the future or for trades
2. Be a resource to help further develop Wilson
3. Be able and effective enough to win games if the starter goes down.

Bringing in Young would accomplish none of those 3. It wouldn't just be stupid. It would be mindblowingly stupid. Charlie Whitehurst-level stupid.


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We should offer Oakland a 7th for Matt Flynn. Just to see if they're paying attention.


Thanks, that one made me laugh.

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Hearing that Seattle is "discussing" or "looking" at certain players/prospects doesn't give me the same excitement/worry that it use to 2-3 years ago, because as we know now, they have discussions about everybody but only make a deal on roughly 5-10% of them (Schneider's words).

At this point, I expect the hawks to draft a QB to be the #2, but I also expect at least one vet to come into training camp to compete for that spot. I'd be mildly disappointed if it was Young, but I also think it'll be more of a Terrell Owens-type deal than anything else with a VY being a long shot to be the backup.

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I agree with taking a look at him, he has a lot of ability still I suspect but a lot of emotional issues.

I don't get all the love for Portis. The times I have watched him play he has been terrible. I honestly would feel better with MRob at QB than him.


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I think it is a good idea to look at Vince Young, Tyler Thigpen and even Jamarcus Russell. If they have an agent working for them, then they must be serious about making a comeback.

Pete is a players coach and as a result the Seahawks are a close knit team. If anyone can bring a lost talent back to being a productive team mate and person, it is the Seahawks organization.

Pete also has no problem letting a talented "headcase" go...LenDale White as an example. We brought in "suspect" talent at WR and TE this season and later sent them packing when the mistake was realized.

Admit it...You want to see Jamarcus Russell running the ball!


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draft matt scott so when we go 13-0 and lock up home field he has three games to show his stuff. Call plays that favor his skills so his value aapreciates and double your money. Would fit the read option mold that we got going...

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i dont mind if he comes here as backup, as long as he gets paid in peanuts.


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Portis fan here.....Go away Tebow T-Jack, hell anyone with T in their name.

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I agree with taking a look at him, he has a lot of ability still I suspect but a lot of emotional issues.

I don't get all the love for Portis. The times I have watched him play he has been terrible. I honestly would feel better with MRob at QB than him.


Puppy does not seem very happy :(

Portis is a guy who has gotten literally ZERO quality coaching for the last 6 years for a variety of reasons. Everything he does is raw talent. I think he's shown enough to make me wonder what he could do if given a chance to respond to dedicated nFL coaching.

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But Mort has since tweeted this:

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@mortreport I think the VY discussion has ended. No Seattle. “@mfisherwa: Pete's always talked highly of VY's athleticism”


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Don't want VY at all, Qb is the last position you want a head case, he might be better than before but he still has bagage and will think he deserves more respect than he should get.

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I would really like Portis to get a shot too! With @DangeRuss as a mentor he might put it all together.

How many times have you "choked" when it's time to sink the 8 ball? Maybe it's a nervous thing that Russell could help him overcome. Russell could sure help him with study and understanding the offense too.

Portis would also be super cheap and would come with the "chip on my shoulder" mentality. Worth another try!


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Portis fan here.....Go away Tebow T-Jack, hell anyone with T in their name.



So no Vince Youngt?

Honestly I think Neal Young would be a better option. Glad to see indications the front office has moved in other directions.

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Portis fan here.....Go away Tebow T-Jack, hell anyone with T in their name.

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Also, who knows what that RAW ability can become if Portis becomes a sponge in the ocean that is Russell Wilson's intangibles.

LOL, quoted wrong post.

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We shouldn't be babbling about what back up we need......horse dodo.

Portis should have started over T-jack last year.


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I like kicking the tires on Vince Young. I have less than zero desire to see Portis back here, but whatever. He wouldn't make the team anyway, likely.

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But Mort has since tweeted this:

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@mortreport I think the VY discussion has ended. No Seattle. “@mfisherwa: Pete's always talked highly of VY's athleticism”


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UPDATE 12:58 a.m. ET: Seattle’s interest in Vince Young appears to have been short-lived. Mortensen is now reporting the Seahawks have ended their discussions about Young and he won’t be headed to Seattle.

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I agree with taking a look at him, he has a lot of ability still I suspect but a lot of emotional issues.

I don't get all the love for Portis. The times I have watched him play he has been terrible. I honestly would feel better with MRob at QB than him.


Puppy does not seem very happy :(

Portis is a guy who has gotten literally ZERO quality coaching for the last 6 years for a variety of reasons. Everything he does is raw talent. I think he's shown enough to make me wonder what he could do if given a chance to respond to dedicated nFL coaching.



I am just not excited about a guy that's line in 2011 was 10-24 , 124 yards and 1 TD.
I saw him in preseason I. '11 and '12 and I was impressed with his athletic ability and speed but he is not a very good passer at all.

How about this guy?

"First quarterback in Penn State history to run for at least ten touchdowns in a season. His 28 touchdowns (17 passing, 11 rushing) was one shy of the school season-record of 29 (26 rushing, 3 catching) by Lydell Mitchell in 1971. He also became the first Nittany Lion to throw three touchdown passes in three separate games during the same season"

That is MRob... Ad his numbers out of college blew Portis out of the water.

Seriously , if they think they can turn Portis into an NFL QB I will be impressed, but as long as Wilson stays healthy we are good and its moot who the backup is


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Largent80 wrote:
Portis fan here.....Go away Tebow T-Jack, hell anyone with T in their name.

Portis has a T in his name


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We should offer Oakland a 7th for Matt Flynn. Just to see if they're paying attention.


Haha, thanks for the laugh!


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I think Young would fall in line with all the other big name free agents we've brought in....T.O., Winslow Jr., Edwards, Vince Young.
They'll bring him in to compete, but also bring some rookie in to make it interesting.
Within weeks Young will show if he is professional enough or not, or his talent will show what he really is.
He or someone else will get a shot in preseason and than they will be cut before contracts are guaranteed. Kicking tires, turning over rocks, etc.
If he makes it he deserves it, but don't be fooled into thinking the back up won't have competition. Thats what Pete is all about.

Personally I think they want Leinart. They wanted him when they pulled the offer from Hasselbeck in the lock out year. But he chose the Texans.


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We should offer Oakland a 7th for Matt Flynn. Just to see if they're paying attention.

Very nice. I'm still laughing.

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We should offer Oakland a 7th for Matt Flynn. Just to see if they're paying attention.

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Nice. Vince Young is my top choice of the available dudes.


mine as well... Heck i'd take Seneca over the rest of the candidates at this point... he played RW-esk when Russ was in pop-warner...

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Pete knows what Vince can do, especially because of that big game against him at USC, but I doubt Pete seriously considers Vince because of his complete opposite list of strengths compared to Wilson.

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Signing VY for anything would be a bad decision. I'd rather see Portis get PT over him. VY Can barely handle 1 read when dropping back let alone 2...can't get through progressions for ish. He's terrible.

I agree, from my understanding - he had some mental problems which aren't easily cured. Probably still has them.


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Ain't happening, nothing to see here, let's move along now to the Thigpen sucks thread.

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Vince Young shows all the signs of being a sociopath. His particular flavor also shows numerous signs that seem to align with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

For you Tacoma people, do you remember a guy named Dale Washam, who randomly got elected as Pierce County Treasurer, then cost the county millions in lawsuit settlements? Yeah, we're talking about the same kind of "leadership" influence. Google it and have some laughs (and some cries, real and local people are involved). As much as I like VY's talent, I just don't think the tiger can change his stripes.

Since I'm not a psychologist, that means I can say things that are obvious to most observers, without it being an "ethics violation"-because-I-haven't-examined-him. Life brought me a cornucopia of sociopaths over the last 10 years, and I'm getting all too skilled at noticing the signs. My ex-wife's attorney (Narcissistic PD), a nearly-disastrous romantic relationship with a sociopathic Borderline PD, and for several years dated gals whose exes were Narcissist PD's. I paid attention and noticed the patterns. The absolute BEST thing you can do with sociopaths is not to get into any significant business or personal relationship in the first place.

There's enough data out there to reasonably conclude that VY shows numerous signs of being a sociopath, most likely of the Narcissist PD variety. If you want to know what VY would be like in any kind of extended leadership role, Google the Dale Washam saga, though honestly, VY in a backup role wouldn't be able to do THAT much damage, but he sure would be a cancer and a divisive influence and distraction, and could single-handedly derail the team even in that role.

Some sociopath traits, from Wikipedia (ICD-10)

It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;
Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;
Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;
Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

Does VY's publicly known behavior align with many of those? How about this list:
Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR include:[1]
Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
Taking advantage of others to reach own goals
Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Becoming jealous easily
Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
Being obsessed with self
Pursuing mainly selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Becoming easily hurt and rejected
Setting goals that are unrealistic
Wanting "the best" of everything
Appearing unemotional
In addition to these symptoms, the person may also display dominance, arrogance, show superiority, and seek power.[6] The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. However, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth.[7]

For comparison, Brandon Marshall of the Bears has "come out" as having Borderline PD, which often goes along with sociopathic tendencies. He's been honest about it, I would say courageous, and obviously worked hard to get better. (Most Borderline's would shoot the messenger and say YOU have it, not them.) Anyway, Marshall sure torched us, and the rest of the league But I don't see VY's behavior changing enough, since I have no idea if he's doing the work it would take, and he would just be extremely "high risk" and a distraction in the Seahawks locker room. Wise decision by PC/JS to discuss him, but NOT actually bring him in. I wouldn't be surprised if the sociopath + PD issues have been observed and catalogued by the rest of the league and found to be so profound that nobody wants to take a chance on him.


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Signing VY for anything would be a bad decision. I'd rather see Portis get PT over him. VY Can barely handle 1 read when dropping back let alone 2...can't get through progressions for ish. He's terrible.

I agree, from my understanding - he had some mental problems which aren't easily cured. Probably still has them.


Didn't see your post first, but wrote a book there on that issue. The issue with VY wouldn't necessarily be making reads, it would be when something went wrong, he would emotionally berate and criticize others, including WR's and the OC and the Head Coach, and basically do everything but examine and acknowledge his responsibility in the breakdown. Not exactly conducive to a good problem-solving reaction in real time during a game. VY could even be "right" much of the time, but his reaction would still be toxic to the team problem-solving and learning process; not a good thing in an X's and O's strategy and adjustments, nuance-rich sport like football. But there is definitely still a time for a QB leader to demand that an OL knock the DT on his ass on the next play, and I'm sure RW does that, though probably in a disappointingly (for drama junkies) "nice and professional" way.


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He has some battles with depression and other issues in the past, but shouldn't be vilified for them. If he can play, he could be useful here.


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agreed. if mental problems aren't allowed go take back all of kobe's rings.

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Locker room problems,

Well 600 + roster moves have proven that Pete has no problem sending a guy packing if he is an issue.


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As Seahawks evaluate a few veteran QB options (add Vince Young to list), they do plan to re-sign Josh Portis, cut late last November.

This just isn't true, because it's already known, that Tyler Thigpen has reached an agreement with the Seahawks :stirthepot:
Mort's just throwing more busketti against the wall, and I aren't dum eenuf to get suckerd again.


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Bringing in Young wouldn't just be dumb.

It would be moronic. Maybe even moronic enough to tip team chemistry.

Ask the Texas fans, they will tell you stories of Vince telling his coaches to shut the hell up. They will tell you stories about him creating an us vs them mentality between the players and coaches.

Not to mention that the guy has the IQ of a sandflea. How exactly would this help us?

Backup QBs are actually important. Ask Steelers fans about it but it doesn't have to just be something that severe.

There have been times where a good team gets their QB hurt in a hard fought game, the next game is against a lesser team so they rest the guy to let him heal. The backup keeps the team on track for a game or two. Then the starter comes back in fully healed without nagging injuries that will affect the team through the playoffs.

We are neck and neck with the 49ers in chasing after the division, based just on last year. The rest of the teams in our division are getting better and teams like Atlanta are getting better but getting an easier schedule. Contrary to popular belief, we do not have a road to the Super Bowl paved with pillows. One or two games lost because of a freak injury can hurt us. Heck last year, one game might have been the difference between homefield throughout the playoffs.

Bringing in a guy who would lose an IQ contest to a tube of toothpaste is not going to help things.

A backup needs to do two of the three:

1. Be a possible QB in development for the future or for trades
2. Be a resource to help further develop Wilson
3. Be able and effective enough to win games if the starter goes down.

Bringing in Young would accomplish none of those 3. It wouldn't just be stupid. It would be mindblowingly stupid. Charlie Whitehurst-level stupid.


Weird, I've been a Texas fan since Major Applewhite was the QB, and I'd love to have VY here as a backup. You’d have to make it clear to him that he was coming in only as a backup, and that he’d have to compete for any spot on the team, but he has seemed to always thrive in that environment. He did great at Texas, and he never had any publicized issues there. Mack Brown has nothing but good things to say about him, even to this day. Plus, PC would be just fine with trying him out, and wouldn’t have any problems sending him packing if it didn’t work out, just look at what he did with Lendale White, one of his own players. He’s not excessively bright, but what does that really matter? He’s obviously smart enough to learn a system and play football. And he’s much more talented than most of the other options. I see they’ve stopped talking to him, for whatever reason, but I endorse the FO giving it a shot.

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Signing VY for anything would be a bad decision. I'd rather see Portis get PT over him. VY Can barely handle 1 read when dropping back let alone 2...can't get through progressions for ish. He's terrible.

I agree, from my understanding - he had some mental problems which aren't easily cured. Probably still has them.


Didn't see your post first, but wrote a book there on that issue. The issue with VY wouldn't necessarily be making reads, it would be when something went wrong, he would emotionally berate and criticize others, including WR's and the OC and the Head Coach, and basically do everything but examine and acknowledge his responsibility in the breakdown. Not exactly conducive to a good problem-solving reaction in real time during a game. VY could even be "right" much of the time, but his reaction would still be toxic to the team problem-solving and learning process; not a good thing in an X's and O's strategy and adjustments, nuance-rich sport like football. But there is definitely still a time for a QB leader to demand that an OL knock the DT on his ass on the next play, and I'm sure RW does that, though probably in a disappointingly (for drama junkies) "nice and professional" way.



This is the thing that interests me so much about this discussion. When has there been reports of him doing this to anyone other than his previous head coach? Coach Fisher obviously didn't want to start or play Vince Young, look at when his team went 0-6 and he stuck with his other QB over a guy who went 28-12 in his first 40 games? I don't think Young handled it approprately, but imagine how you would if your boss hated you but the company's owner dictated that you stay? It was a bad situation, one that I for-sure would have quit from, and one that they should have traded him out of long before it got to where it did. He didn't have any published issues with the Eagles, other than playing poorly in their system. He never quit or gave up when he was frustrated anywhere other than Tennessee, so why think he'd do it here?

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I thought this has already been put to bed?


There's at least 3 more pages to go before people read the news.

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[/quote] You’d have to make it clear to him that he was coming in only as a backup[/quote]

Vince and legalized pot....wouldn't that be magical? I think there are many things you'd have to make clear to this bonehead.


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I don't think pot has ever been an issue for him. You guys really like to pile on a guy when he's a had problems huh?

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The guy is an idiot and hasn't learned a thing. He recently alluded that he has always been a hard worker and a team leader. And apparently he never got the opportunity to shine like most guys has had. Wait, so he never had the opportunity to be drafted in the 1st round? Or to be a starting QB in the NFL? Well damn, let's stop holding this guy back and give him a shot!

He doesn't sound sincere at all, and if he has any friends helping him with his return, they are failing miserably in that endeavor.


"You could never say that I wasn't a hard worker, leading the team, doing all these things that they said I’m not doing," Young said. "And that’s what kills me when I'm out here working extremely hard every summer time and don't get the opportunity to shine like most guys has had

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/story/Vince-Young-Ive-always-been-a-hard-worke?blockID=888225&amp;feedID=11017

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Well he came in, in the middle of the season and went 8-5, then was never given a starting chance again. So, yep.

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I don't think pot has ever been an issue for him. You guys really like to pile on a guy when he's a had problems huh?


I don't really care about VY one way or the other. I just want him to pack up his troubles and head in the other direction. I don't think he adds to the Seahawks chances of winning games. In Buffalo, when there were tests on the playbook, I heard it said that Vince got to take his home to work on it. (According to somebody I heard on 710 - O'Neil, I think). I want a backup that can process info. Most of the reps the backup QB gets will be mental...just don't see VY being the guy to handle it.


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I just don't understand why everyone seems to hold VY to a higher standard when it comes to being a backup. He can emmulate Kaepernick, Griffin, etc in practice. If RW gets hurt he can run an option and hand the ball off to marshawn lynch. For a league minimum salary what are you looking for?



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edit: further more, he's what 3 years older than portis? He has way more then 3 years experience on him if we're talking developing a player. Let it be known I don't want him for 2 years 6 million i want him for 2 years 880k, or whatever his minimum can be.

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Didn't see your post first, but wrote a book there on that issue. The issue with VY wouldn't necessarily be making reads, it would be when something went wrong, he would emotionally berate and criticize others, including WR's and the OC and the Head Coach, and basically do everything but examine and acknowledge his responsibility in the breakdown. Not exactly conducive to a good problem-solving reaction in real time during a game. VY could even be "right" much of the time, but his reaction would still be toxic to the team problem-solving and learning process; not a good thing in an X's and O's strategy and adjustments, nuance-rich sport like football. But there is definitely still a time for a QB leader to demand that an OL knock the DT on his ass on the next play, and I'm sure RW does that, though probably in a disappointingly (for drama junkies) "nice and professional" way.



This is the thing that interests me so much about this discussion. When has there been reports of him doing this to anyone other than his previous head coach? Coach Fisher obviously didn't want to start or play Vince Young, look at when his team went 0-6 and he stuck with his other QB over a guy who went 28-12 in his first 40 games? I don't think Young handled it approprately, but imagine how you would if your boss hated you but the company's owner dictated that you stay? It was a bad situation, one that I for-sure would have quit from, and one that they should have traded him out of long before it got to where it did. He didn't have any published issues with the Eagles, other than playing poorly in their system. He never quit or gave up when he was frustrated anywhere other than Tennessee, so why think he'd do it here?


It's always interesting to hear from fans who have followed a particular player over their career and have a more in-depth viewpoint than "mainstream conventional wisdom". Those who truly followed Russell Wilson's college career, for example, would expect him to be successful in the pros. So you've followed VY's career for a long time. I am simply collecting data points and asking if they fit a pattern. However, in the pro ranks, it seems you're relying on "published reports" of VY's behavior. There is often an inside story that isn't published by polite media. Thankfully, .NET is under no such constraint and we discuss players known issues all the time. I agree there is a certain amount of piling on, based on a handful of data points. However, there's a lot more behind the scenes that doesn't always get shared. Several reports I read on VY's personal life pointed to unusually self-indulgent behaviors.
In any case, VY didn't have the mental resilience and fire within to figure out and excel in Philly's system. So whether he's a nutjob headcase, or simply sucks, either one is a showstopper. And contrast that with Russell Wilson going from NC State one year, to Wisconsin the next year, to the Seahawks the next year--3 different systems in 3 years!
If you know more of the inside story (WHY didn't Fisher play him), please share. Or don't because Vince Young as a Seahawk seems to be a moot point now.


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Facts:: Jeff Fisher is a damn good coach and always wants to win. He is not the kind of coach that will sacrifice team success because he's mad at someone. In other words, this isn't an Al Davis/Marcus Allen situation.

Fact: Failed in Philadelphia with the supposed "Quarterback Guru" Andy Reid coaching him. Remember how good he made Kevin Kolb and more recently Nick Foles look? But he wasn't able to do anything with Vince Young?

Fact: Buffalo cut Vince Young and kept the dynamic duo of Tyler T. and Tarvaris J. to back up Fitzpatrick.

Fact: Andy Reid went to KC and desperately needed a QB, but rather than pick up Free Agent Vince Young, he trades the 33rd pick in the draft for Alex freekin Smith!

Fact: It's late in the free agent season and there are rumblings that a 'few teams are interested in Jarmarcus Russell' but no such rumor about "VY." What does VY stand for anyway? Let's have some fun with that. "Venereal Yogurt" Yum! "Victory Yank!" Victimized Youngin'

And finally, in response to his grammatically perfect "and don't get the opportunity to shine like most guys has had" I say, "you had your chance and you blew it, repeatedly."

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Facts:: Jeff Fisher is a damn good coach and always wants to win. He is not the kind of coach that will sacrifice team success because he's mad at someone. In other words, this isn't an Al Davis/Marcus Allen situation.

Fact: Failed in Philadelphia with the supposed "Quarterback Guru" Andy Reid coaching him. Remember how good he made Kevin Kolb and more recently Nick Foles look? But he wasn't able to do anything with Vince Young?

Fact: Buffalo cut Vince Young and kept the dynamic duo of Tyler T. and Tarvaris J. to back up Fitzpatrick.

Fact: Andy Reid went to KC and desperately needed a QB, but rather than pick up Free Agent Vince Young, he trades the 33rd pick in the draft for Alex freekin Smith!

Fact: It's late in the free agent season and there are rumblings that a 'few teams are interested in Jarmarcus Russell' but no such rumor about "VY." What does VY stand for anyway? Let's have some fun with that. "Venereal Yogurt" Yum! "Victory Yank!" Victimized Youngin'

And finally, in response to his grammatically perfect "and don't get the opportunity to shine like most guys has had" I say, "you had your chance and you blew it, repeatedly."


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Fact: Buffalo cut Vince Young and kept the dynamic duo of Tyler T. and Tarvaris J. to back up Fitzpatrick.


Best (and most apt) typo ever.


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Funny... VY would almost be the ideal Colin Kaepernick backup for SF. Harbaugh could probably even make it work; he's made Kaepernick work out OK even though he's a one-read-and-bail QB according to some posters. (Whereas RW even as a rook was hitting 3rd and 4th reads)


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Fact: Buffalo cut Vince Young and kept the dynamic duo of Tyler T. and Tarvaris J. to back up Fitzpatrick.


Best (and most apt) typo ever.


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